Totally untelated... every time I see a new video from you, I forget you worked your butt off to lose that weight. You look great, bro! I need to get back at it.
I started officially in 2019 and I remember that video, lol. Now I own my own company with 20 employees going on year 3. It’s not consistent but definitely worth it once the industry pops again. Thanks for this!! ❤Super Competitive so Good Luck guys!!
Networking is more important than ever now. I just finished my associates degree and I have an interview for an IT internship soon! I think I wanna get into sys administration
The entry level jobs are always tough to get into because there are career people who haven't advanced past the entry level that are also competing for those same roles. My path was to start as a data center technician with a large company in a sparely populated area.
@@NoDidddy I was hired directly by AWS without expierence or knowing someone. I was competent from my own self study and certifications. Even at Google now we have experienced data center techs fail our technical interviews but have career changers pass them because they go to school and study for the position. Overall you need the ability to show that you can do the job and certs are typically the best way to do this when starting out.
I think that what happened with AWS and Crowd Strike companies are going to be looking into having their own small data centers . The constant hacks has shown the world that having your information in one central place is a bad idea . And when these smaller companies build out their own network they will need people to run it . I think at that point the job market will be in favor of the job seeker .
It's not as bad as programming, but its bad. Getting even an entry level IT job (help desk) without prior experience is challenging. Even with an IT cert or 2, like CompTIA A+ and Network + Employers want experienced candidates, even for entry level positions with low pay!
Reading through the comments of those trying to find their first IT job right out of college, or changing careers, my tip to them (and anyone else) is to consider taking an underpaid IT role. I know this tip is controversial, but it's what I did when I first started out in IT 16 years ago. I did learn from that job, and I got the experience to put on my resume. After a year or so I was able to move up to a different role paying more money.
I'm about to start my first job in IT, and I was told not to worry about the pay. Just get experience. It's tough. I took almost a 15k pay cut from my last career, but I'm done breaking my back.
It is more difficult to job or even land an interview with 5 to 7 years of experience in IT right now. Every time I go on my LinkedIn I see previous co-workers of mine being laid off.
I'm not discounting that by any means, but I see this pretty frequently. I can understand from your perspective cause to worry, but everything will be okay. Good luck to you and your co-workers!
I was lucky! I got my first IT job in helpdesk with no previous experience (besides the school i went to) all because i was working in that company in other department and did my job very well.
Great video. I have been an IT professional for 20 years now and I am in the job market current. This video gave me ideas on how to approach the current job market. It all about networking. I going to join your discord group for more information. Thank you for this content. This will help me on my journey.
I think it was 8 years ago. I was watching the Eli the Computer Guy video on the death of IT. It made me change my entire professional career. Now I am a Sales Engineer and it's a much better life.
How do I get into a career like this? Did you get a degree? I keep thinking about getting into sales even though I’m an introvert, I’m tired of doing the same thing everyday at a warehouse
@@stixxhen it's about being a charismatic person. You have to have an engineering background and a degree. But it doesn't have to be computer science for every position. I have a comm design degree and still get jobs in the field. But comm design with a emphasis on web development. So it's a computer science light degree. But Sales Engineers have to be good talkers and take complex ideas and turn them into understandable descriptions.
I'm 32 years old and discovered 2 years ago that I'm extremely interested in Linux, networking, servers, databases, cloud computing, and cybersecurity. This is the first time in my life that I've been very interested in anything besides girls. I have a full-time job, so I've been studying IT for about 15 hours a week for the last 2 years. My plan is, once I lose my current job, to spend 10,000 hours trying to become a Linux sysadmin and then either move into DevOps or cybersecurity. I literally don't care if I starve to death trying to succeed in my plan.
Good luck on your mission, take time to rest, take a walk, breath. We are doing a 4 hour pay-what-you-can Zero to Linux workshop with Hal Pomeranz in September, you can join us for free, I would highly suggest this class if you want to become a Linux guru. www.antisyphontraining.com/event/zero-to-linux-w-hal-pomeranz/
I can tell you this much: I got a job in IT right out of the Army with no experience, no certs, no education, no nothing. I self-studied, applied myself to relevant skills for entry level roles, and just applied. Granted, I did a good amount of studying, but nonetheless, it wasn't anything crazy. You really don't need certs for entry level, I mean why even go for formal education when you can teach yourself everything online for free? What really matters is your resume, and how you craft and represent yourself through that piece of paper. I would say focus on making your resume pretty fucking top tier and show employers that you're hungry for the job and that you're willing to do what it takes to perform well enough for the role, you will land a job fast af this way. Seriously, stop being lazy and really nail your resume so you can start getting interviews. Remember, employers can only see so much of you through a piece of paper, so it matters to do it well. Why would an employer call you in for an interview if you can't construct simple sentences on paper. Aside of this, really harp on your fundamentals, the basics, networking, troubleshooting, Active Directory, having a thought process, knowing how to document well, this stuff will really take you far. Message me if you need help; I know it sucks when your not getting traction on jobs, trust me, I've been there, but you need to do the basic things well, focus on the other things later.
I graduated in June with an associates in IT, literally have not gotten a single call back and I’m only applying for entry level help desk jobs. This entire industry is a scam
Without seeing your resume and what other credentials and projects you’ve worked on it’s hard to provide help, but with that being said, if you aren’t getting calls for interview it’s most often because your resume needs work.
@@TL-rh1lf you can build experience by learning skills like active directory, office 365 and adding that stuff to the resume. You can build a homelab and learn skills and start applying for jobs even if you have no experienc
@@vpsaxmancerts don't get you jobs, experience over certs any time. I'm not against certs, as they can get you some knowledge and it shows employers that you've put in some time and effort. It's good enough to pass the initial screening and get a call from someone from HR. But once you're up against other candidates with experience, your chances are slim to none.
Good luck! The good thing is the A+ is valid for 3 years. Don't expect it to get you a job unless you have prior experience. Be ready to apply only to get ignored most of the time.
I passed the first round a long time ago. Here is the kicker. I built gaming computers and knew windows server, desktop, and I knew 70% of the questions with no study. If you do not have a passion or do this often you will struggle with terminology. If you watch Gamers Nexus and ActualHardware unlocked you will gain so much knowledge
I have a bachelor's degree from Penn State University in Information Science and Technology, 10 certifications, a cloud networking project and a relational database project, and one internship with a large govt contractor, and I still can't find a job.
The college I attended had pretty robust career coaching services that they required all students to engage with by building it into the coursework. They drill it into the heads of all their students, regardless of what they are studying, that the most powerful way to conduct a job search is to build and maintain a professional network of people who you can reach out to for leads on openings or professional recommendations. You're way more likely to find a position if you have other professionals in your corner who will not only tap into their own professional network to help you find openings but also vouch for you with the hiring team when you apply to a position. It often causes your application to go to the top of the pile for consideration. I do not work in IT, but I have repeatedly found this truth about networking to be true when looking for a new job in the past and I have no doubt it applies to the IT industry as well.
You know? Every human ever prior to the past 25 years got a job without social media selling their data. When did we agree to let Microsoft be the arbiter of all IT jobs?
Hello. My name is Maurice and I just became aware of your channel as I was looking for some kind of hope for breaking into tech. I'm 54 years old and currently working in a warehouse environment and it's very taxing on my physical body as well as my spirit. I'm trying to learn all the fundamentals as I'm studying for CompTia's IT fundamentals test (I heard that Course Careers may be a better option but I really want to finish what I started so I may just do Course Careers after) and hopefully break into tech in a helpdesk position and build from there, but it seems that I have awful timing as I'm hearing that the tech Industry is struggling right now. I don't know how much longer I can endure the warehouse environment and I need to transition out. If I were to get a helpdesk position making 50k annually to start, I would be satisfied. Is there any hope for me at my age in this market for this to happen? Any advice I would greatly appreciate. Thank you for you time..and apologies for the long text😅
Can you please recommend a CPU build for CCNP Labs with ISE and Firewall, is it necessary to buy a Graphic Card for this and if necessary should we buy the latest one or previous gen would also as I won't comprise for RAM and processor part
what wasnt mentioned in the video is that people arent leaving their jobs/careers like they were back in '21 & '22 ... statisically, more & more workers are staying put rather than jumping ship ... therefore leaving even less opportunities out on the table for those seeking a new & fresh start ... going off of what he says in the video ... if you stack his numbers, with these numbers, & include that state of the economy which also involve the political scene as well ... i think its safe to say the I.T. industry is seeing some of the roughest times it has in a while along with every other industry except well maybe the drug market lol (not funny but more of a nervous laugh)
I just subscribed I have a question and is so APPRECIATE IT if you can help me lol it’s even my b day today lol I have a QVC interview Thursday and I didn’t pass the first one 6 months ago, they asked a lot of IT questions and I’m only applying for CSR role but they informed me they don’t have an IT department so we need to know a lot! They asked me for an example of a computer malfunction and how I fixed it without having to reach for the IT department in a previous job , I have no answer:( can you please give me a answer I can use because I need to land the job I’ve been applying and interview for five months now! Thank you in advance!!!!!!!
6:18 Im not doing anything special. Im just doing it for myself. MSPs grind you into the dirt for the sake of Customer Service. Im not going to stress myself out for metrics because of an SLA some other asshole signed and is paying me bottom dollar for.
Idk but its potentially more recognizable being closer to money streams. IT is seen as a money vacuum rather than an asset so is always under scrutiny.
I would advise people not to get into tech. Will it rebound one day? The honest answer is that no one knows. It might; it might not. Tech journalists could be underestimating the impact of offshoring, which picked up after remote work became popular and shows no signs of decelerating. New entrants need to ask themselves if they want the compensation of a graphic design job with tons of effort required weekly to stay current outside of work, because that's the current trajectory, and weigh that possible future against stable career alternatives. Boomers will say whoa, chill dude, everything has like ups and downs man, so, y'know, go with the flow -- it worked for meeeeee. I reply that everything in life has diminishing returns, including tech, and nothing lasts forever. So you need to be honest with yourself about your love for the work -- which could very well devolve into janitation of contracted code -- your tolerance for risk, and your desired lifestyle.
I think tech is still an illustrious career, it just has lost some of its luster from the golden years (the last 20). VC is coming to terms that not EVERY tech endeavor is worth the ridiculous valuation multiples relative to other industries (though it will remain relatively high due to lower upfront CapEx requirements; just not head and shoulders above other industries) and perhaps not every existing tech companies deserves its ridiculous valuation multiple. A peak at metatrends seems to indicate that America wants to "reindustrialize" (whatever that means). Some amount of shift away from building stuff exclusively in cyberspace toward making physical stuff again. My conjecture is that companies that play in the space between cyber and industrial will see major tailwinds - stuff like iot, robotic manufacturing, automation, cyber modeling of physical capital/processes (digital twins...?) . It could be the new era of the techno-industrialists. So try to get out the cyber domain once in a while - touch some grass, take something apart to see how it works, tinker with an arduino, build something from scratch, add a smart-home functionality to optimize a common process in your daily life, connect with the physical world once in a while
Totally untelated... every time I see a new video from you, I forget you worked your butt off to lose that weight. You look great, bro! I need to get back at it.
Sometimes I walk by something and see my reflection and have to stop because I don't recognize the person looking back at me. Thank you, my friend!
Took me 3 months to find an IT job. I have 8 year's experience, degree and certs. Definitely made me stop and think about the future of my career.
Finally got my first “true” IT job and just finished my first week. It took me 2 months. 50+ apps. 8 interviews.
Congratulations!!!! That is awesome! Good luck to you!
Wow good for you!
I started officially in 2019 and I remember that video, lol. Now I own my own company with 20 employees going on year 3. It’s not consistent but definitely worth it once the industry pops again. Thanks for this!! ❤Super Competitive so Good Luck guys!!
that's wild! Congratulations to you!!!!! good luck in your journey.
Networking is more important than ever now. I just finished my associates degree and I have an interview for an IT internship soon! I think I wanna get into sys administration
The entry level jobs are always tough to get into because there are career people who haven't advanced past the entry level that are also competing for those same roles. My path was to start as a data center technician with a large company in a sparely populated area.
I tried applying for data center technician at Amazon , Google , and Microsoft, got nothing. Any tips?
@@skinnytimmy1 Do you have any certs?
@@skinnytimmy1 not happening without knowing someone or experience. Good luck..
@@tbsharkey Experience > Certs.
@@NoDidddy I was hired directly by AWS without expierence or knowing someone. I was competent from my own self study and certifications.
Even at Google now we have experienced data center techs fail our technical interviews but have career changers pass them because they go to school and study for the position.
Overall you need the ability to show that you can do the job and certs are typically the best way to do this when starting out.
I think that what happened with AWS and Crowd Strike companies are going to be looking into having their own small data centers . The constant hacks has shown the world that having your information in one central place is a bad idea . And when these smaller companies build out their own network they will need people to run it . I think at that point the job market will be in favor of the job seeker .
A big thing making it harder now than even the last 5-10 years is the willingness to use AI to screen / hire and apply to jobs.
It's not as bad as programming, but its bad. Getting even an entry level IT job (help desk) without prior experience is challenging. Even with an IT cert or 2, like CompTIA A+ and Network +
Employers want experienced candidates, even for entry level positions with low pay!
It's been that way in every field since the last recession even for burger flipping.
Reading through the comments of those trying to find their first IT job right out of college, or changing careers, my tip to them (and anyone else) is to consider taking an underpaid IT role. I know this tip is controversial, but it's what I did when I first started out in IT 16 years ago. I did learn from that job, and I got the experience to put on my resume. After a year or so I was able to move up to a different role paying more money.
I'm about to start my first job in IT, and I was told not to worry about the pay. Just get experience.
It's tough. I took almost a 15k pay cut from my last career, but I'm done breaking my back.
We have to learn how to create jobs and business for ourselves. Stop waiting on IBM and other big corporations they don’t care about you.
It is more difficult to job or even land an interview with 5 to 7 years of experience in IT right now. Every time I go on my LinkedIn I see previous co-workers of mine being laid off.
I'm not discounting that by any means, but I see this pretty frequently. I can understand from your perspective cause to worry, but everything will be okay.
Good luck to you and your co-workers!
I was lucky! I got my first IT job in helpdesk with no previous experience (besides the school i went to) all because i was working in that company in other department and did my job very well.
My colleague was part of the AWS layoffs spring 2023 and now he is in a cybersec job in DC. Quite an upgrade according to him.
@@Wahinies What did your colleague do before? I'm currently in AWS and its alright, pretty comfortable, but no idea where it can take me tbqh.
Great video. I have been an IT professional for 20 years now and I am in the job market current. This video gave me ideas on how to approach the current job market. It all about networking. I going to join your discord group for more information. Thank you for this content. This will help me on my journey.
I think it was 8 years ago. I was watching the Eli the Computer Guy video on the death of IT. It made me change my entire professional career. Now I am a Sales Engineer and it's a much better life.
Nice! I'm happy that you're happy!
How do I get into a career like this? Did you get a degree? I keep thinking about getting into sales even though I’m an introvert, I’m tired of doing the same thing everyday at a warehouse
@@stixxhen it's about being a charismatic person. You have to have an engineering background and a degree. But it doesn't have to be computer science for every position. I have a comm design degree and still get jobs in the field. But comm design with a emphasis on web development. So it's a computer science light degree.
But Sales Engineers have to be good talkers and take complex ideas and turn them into understandable descriptions.
I'm 32 years old and discovered 2 years ago that I'm extremely interested in Linux, networking, servers, databases, cloud computing, and cybersecurity. This is the first time in my life that I've been very interested in anything besides girls. I have a full-time job, so I've been studying IT for about 15 hours a week for the last 2 years. My plan is, once I lose my current job, to spend 10,000 hours trying to become a Linux sysadmin and then either move into DevOps or cybersecurity. I literally don't care if I starve to death trying to succeed in my plan.
Good luck on your mission, take time to rest, take a walk, breath.
We are doing a 4 hour pay-what-you-can Zero to Linux workshop with Hal Pomeranz in September, you can join us for free, I would highly suggest this class if you want to become a Linux guru. www.antisyphontraining.com/event/zero-to-linux-w-hal-pomeranz/
@@Itcareerquestions Thank you very much!
For sure!
@@Itcareerquestions My brother just told me about that training about 5 minutes ago lol
haha, that's awesome, I hope to see you there.
I can tell you this much: I got a job in IT right out of the Army with no experience, no certs, no education, no nothing. I self-studied, applied myself to relevant skills for entry level roles, and just applied. Granted, I did a good amount of studying, but nonetheless, it wasn't anything crazy. You really don't need certs for entry level, I mean why even go for formal education when you can teach yourself everything online for free? What really matters is your resume, and how you craft and represent yourself through that piece of paper. I would say focus on making your resume pretty fucking top tier and show employers that you're hungry for the job and that you're willing to do what it takes to perform well enough for the role, you will land a job fast af this way. Seriously, stop being lazy and really nail your resume so you can start getting interviews. Remember, employers can only see so much of you through a piece of paper, so it matters to do it well. Why would an employer call you in for an interview if you can't construct simple sentences on paper. Aside of this, really harp on your fundamentals, the basics, networking, troubleshooting, Active Directory, having a thought process, knowing how to document well, this stuff will really take you far. Message me if you need help; I know it sucks when your not getting traction on jobs, trust me, I've been there, but you need to do the basic things well, focus on the other things later.
You're the exception, not the rule. Your service probably helped a bit.
Thanks for this. I need someone like you to mentor me.
I'll hit you up I have a clearance and have certs & degree and a couple years experience. Been applying for a few months now in NY
Army? Why type this giant essay? Just tell everyone you're g4y and you got into tech as a binary.
I've been in IT awhile. I have a graduate degree and it always helps me get to the top of the list when I apply for jobs.
To all of you starting out in IT make sure you research AI and the potential impact it will have on your future employment.
I graduated in June with an associates in IT, literally have not gotten a single call back and I’m only applying for entry level help desk jobs. This entire industry is a scam
isn't IT heavily dependent on certs? do you have any?
Without seeing your resume and what other credentials and projects you’ve worked on it’s hard to provide help, but with that being said, if you aren’t getting calls for interview it’s most often because your resume needs work.
@@Itcareerquestions He just graduated... what can he do with his resume? Lie about previous experience?
@@TL-rh1lf you can build experience by learning skills like active directory, office 365 and adding that stuff to the resume. You can build a homelab and learn skills and start applying for jobs even if you have no experienc
@@vpsaxmancerts don't get you jobs, experience over certs any time. I'm not against certs, as they can get you some knowledge and it shows employers that you've put in some time and effort. It's good enough to pass the initial screening and get a call from someone from HR. But once you're up against other candidates with experience, your chances are slim to none.
I'm just doing my CompTIA A+ right now lol and trying to get a job. been brutal so far lol.
Good luck! The good thing is the A+ is valid for 3 years. Don't expect it to get you a job unless you have prior experience. Be ready to apply only to get ignored most of the time.
I passed the first round a long time ago. Here is the kicker. I built gaming computers and knew windows server, desktop, and I knew 70% of the questions with no study. If you do not have a passion or do this often you will struggle with terminology. If you watch Gamers Nexus and ActualHardware unlocked you will gain so much knowledge
I have a bachelor's degree from Penn State University in Information Science and Technology, 10 certifications, a cloud networking project and a relational database project, and one internship with a large govt contractor, and I still can't find a job.
The college I attended had pretty robust career coaching services that they required all students to engage with by building it into the coursework. They drill it into the heads of all their students, regardless of what they are studying, that the most powerful way to conduct a job search is to build and maintain a professional network of people who you can reach out to for leads on openings or professional recommendations. You're way more likely to find a position if you have other professionals in your corner who will not only tap into their own professional network to help you find openings but also vouch for you with the hiring team when you apply to a position. It often causes your application to go to the top of the pile for consideration. I do not work in IT, but I have repeatedly found this truth about networking to be true when looking for a new job in the past and I have no doubt it applies to the IT industry as well.
You know? Every human ever prior to the past 25 years got a job without social media selling their data. When did we agree to let Microsoft be the arbiter of all IT jobs?
Thanks a lot Sir, I just joined the discord channel
For sure, thank you for joining!
Hello. My name is Maurice and I just became aware of your channel as I was looking for some kind of hope for breaking into tech. I'm 54 years old and currently working in a warehouse environment and it's very taxing on my physical body as well as my spirit. I'm trying to learn all the fundamentals as I'm studying for CompTia's IT fundamentals test (I heard that Course Careers may be a better option but I really want to finish what I started so I may just do Course Careers after) and hopefully break into tech in a helpdesk position and build from there, but it seems that I have awful timing as I'm hearing that the tech Industry is struggling right now. I don't know how much longer I can endure the warehouse environment and I need to transition out. If I were to get a helpdesk position making 50k annually to start, I would be satisfied. Is there any hope for me at my age in this market for this to happen? Any advice I would greatly appreciate. Thank you for you time..and apologies for the long text😅
I got very lucky that my uncle does GRC as a career so it helped land my first soc job!
It feels very different this time. It's a disaster. I have been working since 2007. I have never seen anything like this before.
Can you please recommend a CPU build for CCNP Labs with ISE and Firewall, is it necessary to buy a Graphic Card for this and if necessary should we buy the latest one or previous gen would also as I won't comprise for RAM and processor part
Hi, I'd love to join the discord AMA but it seems the link is expired. Can you repost it? Thnx
Can you tell me more about the discord channel?
Thank you
You're welcome
what wasnt mentioned in the video is that people arent leaving their jobs/careers like they were back in '21 & '22 ... statisically, more & more workers are staying put rather than jumping ship ... therefore leaving even less opportunities out on the table for those seeking a new & fresh start ... going off of what he says in the video ... if you stack his numbers, with these numbers, & include that state of the economy which also involve the political scene as well ... i think its safe to say the I.T. industry is seeing some of the roughest times it has in a while along with every other industry except well maybe the drug market lol (not funny but more of a nervous laugh)
Lol every industry market is experiencing economic recession losses, but the government in cartel are still making coin
I just subscribed I have a question and is so APPRECIATE IT if you can help me lol it’s even my b day today lol I have a QVC interview Thursday and I didn’t pass the first one 6 months ago, they asked a lot of IT questions and I’m only applying for CSR role but they informed me they don’t have an IT department so we need to know a lot! They asked me for an example of a computer malfunction and how I fixed it without having to reach for the IT department in a previous job , I have no answer:( can you please give me a answer I can use because I need to land the job I’ve been applying and interview for five months now! Thank you in advance!!!!!!!
Great video thank you also your Discord link says it expired :((
Too much competition in programming and if you're self taught like me good luck finding work..I'm switching careers.
6:18 Im not doing anything special. Im just doing it for myself. MSPs grind you into the dirt for the sake of Customer Service. Im not going to stress myself out for metrics because of an SLA some other asshole signed and is paying me bottom dollar for.
So is accounting more stable than tech
Idk but its potentially more recognizable being closer to money streams. IT is seen as a money vacuum rather than an asset so is always under scrutiny.
I don't have high school certificate can I learn it and Iam 15 yrs old boy in Switzerland
Should at least get an Associates two-year degree for better opportunities. Then get your certifications in your IT area.
I would advise people not to get into tech. Will it rebound one day? The honest answer is that no one knows. It might; it might not. Tech journalists could be underestimating the impact of offshoring, which picked up after remote work became popular and shows no signs of decelerating. New entrants need to ask themselves if they want the compensation of a graphic design job with tons of effort required weekly to stay current outside of work, because that's the current trajectory, and weigh that possible future against stable career alternatives. Boomers will say whoa, chill dude, everything has like ups and downs man, so, y'know, go with the flow -- it worked for meeeeee. I reply that everything in life has diminishing returns, including tech, and nothing lasts forever. So you need to be honest with yourself about your love for the work -- which could very well devolve into janitation of contracted code -- your tolerance for risk, and your desired lifestyle.
I have a pc question if you could help me out please I would appreciate it
2000? you were building websites in geocities? lol me too
Angelfire more than geocities but, yeah buddy!!
He spends almost 5 minutes talking about himself.
I lost interested after the info
I think tech is still an illustrious career, it just has lost some of its luster from the golden years (the last 20). VC is coming to terms that not EVERY tech endeavor is worth the ridiculous valuation multiples relative to other industries (though it will remain relatively high due to lower upfront CapEx requirements; just not head and shoulders above other industries) and perhaps not every existing tech companies deserves its ridiculous valuation multiple.
A peak at metatrends seems to indicate that America wants to "reindustrialize" (whatever that means). Some amount of shift away from building stuff exclusively in cyberspace toward making physical stuff again. My conjecture is that companies that play in the space between cyber and industrial will see major tailwinds - stuff like iot, robotic manufacturing, automation, cyber modeling of physical capital/processes (digital twins...?) . It could be the new era of the techno-industrialists. So try to get out the cyber domain once in a while - touch some grass, take something apart to see how it works, tinker with an arduino, build something from scratch, add a smart-home functionality to optimize a common process in your daily life, connect with the physical world once in a while
First
Ah, a man of culture, I see.
Way to go! You win!
IT is pretty dead. Better learn to program...
Ignorance is bliss