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Join Adam Taylor for deep dives into the Boston Celtics. From X's and O's and game strategy to breaking news and rumors. Also home of the CelticsPod, featuring Adam Taylor & Tim Sheils!
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Should Celtics fans start to WORRY after latest loss?
The Boston Celtics dropped their 8th game of the season on Christmas Day. The Celtics struggled to defend the Philadelphia 76ers star trio, often leaving Caleb Martin wide open, and they paid the price.
Adam and Billy discuss Boston's current defensive issues, Jaylen Brown's changed role, and the injury issues that have plagued the team to begin the season. Of course, they also answer the question: Should Celtics fans start to worry?
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Celtics' Christmas Day Disappointment
03:01 Caleb Martin: The Celtics Killer
04:31 Turnovers and Offensive Woes
08:19 Injuries and Bench Performance
16:27 Jalen Brown's Defensive Role
18:32 Tatum's Stellar Performance
24:51 Concerns and Adjustments
35:32 Looking Ahead and Final Thoughts
Adam and Billy discuss Boston's current defensive issues, Jaylen Brown's changed role, and the injury issues that have plagued the team to begin the season. Of course, they also answer the question: Should Celtics fans start to worry?
Listen on the move:
Apple Podcasts: apple.co/4g3N9bj
Spotify: spoti.fi/3XoObHt
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Celtics' Christmas Day Disappointment
03:01 Caleb Martin: The Celtics Killer
04:31 Turnovers and Offensive Woes
08:19 Injuries and Bench Performance
16:27 Jalen Brown's Defensive Role
18:32 Tatum's Stellar Performance
24:51 Concerns and Adjustments
35:32 Looking Ahead and Final Thoughts
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He’s just tinkering with rotations don’t think he’s doing too much at all gotta remember we’re still in good standing. He probably finds something that works and stick w that come all star break and turn on the gas
I agree on the championship habits part. But I have faith that Joe's philosophy will overcome that. Very sloppy month for sure, but I dont think it will be us having to wait until the playoffs for them to lock in. I think it'll happen before then.
I think they will lock in, too. I do think part of the ability to build those habits comes from having a healthy rotation, though -- but that's out of everyone's hands. Hopefully, we see a shift in mentality on the defensive end, as Mazzulla starts opening his playbook, because the C's aren't running nearly as much stuff as last season. I, like you, continue to have faith, though!
Agreed with you over Billy. I think JBs best as a play finisher. Sure, develop JB as a playmaker but make it his secondary role. No need to have him bring down the ball. IMO when JT is not on the floor, the primary playmaker should be d.white. hes just better at it. He makes better reads and is a more natural pg. I'd rather see more JB post-ups, off-ball cuts and catching the ball going downhill/off the move. I dont like JB leading the 2nd unit. I like JB better with the starters. My concern level is a 7-8. We havent beaten a .500 team for how long now?
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Should we worry? Absolutely. 1. 3pt shooting is down. 2. FT shooting is down. 3. KP cant stay healthy. 4. Sam looks like a shell of himself. 5. We had a 6-5 record in a supposed to be easy dec. Jan just gets tougher. Should we panic? No. Should changes be made? Yes. 1. trade springer to get a more reliable bench wing until sam recovers. 2. maybe switch up the rotations mins wise. 3. have contingencies for when the 3s arent falling
Hey! First of all, please don't think i'm ignoring you in the gameday threads on my newsletter...I open those up for subscribers to chat among themselves :) Second of all, I agree. Lots of issues right now, most of which you've laid out above, and some of which we discuss in the video. I still think there's plenty of time to turn things around, but health plays a huge role. It's also clear that losing Oshae and Svi has hurt the deep bench depth. Jordan Walsh is NOT the answer, at least not right now.
@@TaylorTalksCelticsyeah theres more guys that arent "ready." Walsh, springer, tillman, baylor, jd... all not ready. Even neemi has been highly inconsistent. Its Drew who has performed the best out of that crew so far but i expect him to be inconsistent as well. We need a more rotation level talent. Walsh needs to get reps in maine. Hes regressing again. We're just not blowing teams as much as last season. Rebounding has been inconsistent. Recently, ball security is an issue that has reared its ugly head again. Defense has been an issue as well. There's indeed enough time to turn it around but they have to start plugging those holes soon. The 1st seed (the objective IMO) is getting more out of reach.
Totally, agree. I think its a fine line, Re: developmental talent. Part of the reality of being a second-apron team. But, they need to choose who is getting minutes with the primary roster and stick with it. But, it's clear the depth behind Hauser (who isn't himself) is lacking, and that should be an area to try and fix leading upto the trade deadline
@@TaylorTalksCeltics yeah i'd try to fixt that now so whoever the new guy can develop chemistry/learn the system earlier. I wouldve delayed tbh until the trade deadline but gjven this dec thats worrying, the Cs clearly need an injection of new energy and depth. It was easier to develop talent like neemi last season given the blowouts. We just cant provide that to the end of bench guys this season. Not as many as late game 20+ point leads. Jrue's regression as a shooter is hurting us alot. I'd rather walsh get consistent reps in maine at this point and go back to springer (attempt to showcase him for trades) since he cant play in the g-league anyway.
pathetic and embarassing showing from the Cs. Cs are a .500 team in their last 10 games. The 3pt shooting the past 10 games is a concern. Joe needs a contingency plan when the 3s dont fall. Shouldnt have lost to a heavily injured magic team. There was no sense of urgency and they clearly underestimated the magic. This team needs a shot in the arm, a shifting energy. PP hasnt played well the past couple of games and hauser wasnt himself. I cant wait for a springer trade. We need another guy to account for games like this when one of the starters is out and 1 doesnt look like himself. Bad loss. Hopefully they bounce back and beat the sixers. This was a sad lead up to christmas.
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IMO winning should matter. i miss the days when the MVP at least came from a top 3 team. before the 2010s harden/westbrook era of stats>winning. So now all the awards are a joke because everyone stat pads, no one values sacrifice or winning and losers end up winning awards. my suggestions to improve these awards are: 1. set a high games played minimum. like 65+ games at minimum. Did you know tatum is the only modern player in the top 40 of nba history in games played percentage? Dennis johnson is #1. Tatum is #6. 2. set a conference rank or winning percentage requirement for someone to qualify. If conference rank, i'd say you'd have to be from a top 4 team in a conference and have a winning record to qualify for any award. This also solves the whole "d.white/evan mobley should be an all-star problem." P.S. its harder to put up stats on a good team because you have to share the ball/stats more.
I think that Tatum's demeanor has something to do with it. He isn't brash or loud and he doesn't try to bring attention to himself. He is all about the team and how to get them involved. He knows that he can score a ton of points and not win as much. But he wants to win and wants his teammates help in order to do that. And defensively, he is better than any of the guys on that list. He really truly is a complete player
i'd say giannis is better than tatum on defense but yes 1000% agreed on everything else.
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Nah dont do that! Hahaha. Drew is still eligible for another 2-way. Lets maximize that. If we like JD, hes the better pick as hes not eligible for a 2-way next year. If we dont, i'd bring in external talent. Theres lots out there who are more ready now than springer, drew, jd and walsh. I'll share my current top 10: 1. toumani camara 2. keon ellis 3. Jalen wilson 4. Noah clowney 5. Jonathan mogbo 6. Amir Coffey 7. Torrey Craig 8. Ben Sheppard 9. Johnny Juzang 10. Brice Sensabaugh honorable mentions: cam whitmore, trendon watford
Whitmore would be my favorite from this list! I’m not high on JD and he would run into the same issues Springer has, tbf! I do wonder what the front office will do, and whether moving Soringer without bringing someone back (attaching draft picks) is worth the $16 million it would save in tax penalties
@@TaylorTalksCeltics whitmore is just rotting in the gleague coming from a good rookie season. The main difference this year is tari eason is back and playing like an all-world defender. I'm not high on JD either but its because i dont think we need more guards given how much the Js handle the ball and because baylor is being groomed in maine to run point. I personally think its worth a 2nd rd pick, if its the 2025 or 2026 one, as we have so many players locked up/al aint retiring yet, that we dont have space for rookies next year (unless springer is gone). As we saw this offseason, we couldnt even add a single FA.
@@TheRobversion1 First of all, you've inspired today's newsletter article, so thank you! I'm also on board with trading Springer for an upside young guy. I like Sheppard too, but don't think that is too easy to get done. Overal though, outside of Peterson, I think we're on the same page here.
@@TaylorTalksCeltics cool! is it a surprise or can you tell me why? Do i get a shoutout? Haha. Yeah sheppard is outside springer's price range. On peterson, if he continues to develop, i wouldnt mind the celtics giving him a standard contract towards the end of next year. I think next year is drew's last year of 2W eligibility.
@@TheRobversion1 Haha, yeah you get a shout out! And because I was struggling for something to write about, but you gave me some ideas for a trade primer piece :)
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Awesome! I'm in
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Hi mate, great video. Are you brummie? Your accent caught my attention
@@kyleevans1399 haha, yeah, I am, unfortunately! I appreciate you watching the video, though!
@ I’m a brummie too, not unfortunate at all mate, I love our great city. I’m big into baseball and through that kind of have a connection to the Knicks so I’ve been trying to get into basketball so just a funny coincidence that this video popped up. You clearly know your stuff
@@kyleevans1399 I love the city too, but the accent is tough for breaking into American markets haha. Yeah, I’m a huge basketball fan! And no way! Small world! Now would be the PERFECT time to get into the Knicks, dude! They’re going to be really good for the next few years! Check out @knicksfilmschool for your Knicks content! Jon and his team do amazing work over there!
Adam are you on Apple Podcasts?
Hey! I’m so sorry I missed this! I am, but I gotta start posting back there! Will upload today’s shortly :)
we got another name change for the channel adam? BTW eddie would call this a molly-whoppin'.
Unfortunately, yeah. I'm really struggling to make the timezone work with Tim, so it made sense to brand as a solo channel and have the co-hosted show on a playlist for days when our schedule's match up. I didn't want to not be putting stuff out...It had already been 3 weeks.
@@TaylorTalksCeltics i agree. this also allows you the versatility of inviting other guests over. whether its other celtics content creators, national content creators and even subscribers, if you're into that thing for channel engagement. love the film talk by the way but i'd recommend if you could maybe show a film snippet while you're talking about it so its easier to follow. props for the dragonball poster in the back!
Lonnie should make it because they could always trade him down the line, like they did Stevens last season
@@Roobeye he hasn’t played more than a few minutes each game in preseason. If he doesn’t get many minutes tonight, I’d assume it’s over
Knicks rebounding and winning 50/50 balls is what demoralizes teams. But They're gonna need healthy robinson or get new backup center imo
if we talking just talent 1.JT 2 KP 3 JB 4 Kat 5.Brunson 6.White 7.Jrue 8.Mikal 9.OG 10. Hart
😂😂😂
bobby marks is a known celtics hater. Same with RJ. Perk is just disappointing and should have his celtics ring revoked. if i were to rank the knicks and celtics starters: 1. jt 2. jb 3. brunson 4. KP 5. kat 6. d.white 7. jrue 8. mikal 9. OG 10. hart I'd put mitchell robinson over any celtics bench player, but the next 3 are all celtics (al, sam, pp) before we get to mcbride and payne.
I agree with these rankings, to be fair. It's pretty much how I have it, too. I would be willing to debate KAT and KP if push came to shove. As for the media, agreed on all accounts - a lot is being said about the C's with very little facts to back up such strong claims
@@TaylorTalksCeltics fair enough on KAT. I value defense alot however and thats why i have KP ahead. All advanced metrics also put KP ahead of KAT: WS, VORP, BPM, +/-, net, etc. KAT is the better rebounder, passer and shooter while being more available. KP is better at defense, utility (screening, intangibles, etc), inside scoring and spacing (longer range than KAT). knicks fans who say KAT is better than KP simply just dont value defense enough. I value defense at a 50/50 split. This is why KP is winning the advanced metrics. defense matters.
You rock, Tim. Great podcast!
@@ericwryan Tim’s the man!
🧡💙 fan here great take its gonna be a great session 🧡💙
Knicks in 6
Knick fan here. I come in peace ✌🏿 Are the Celtics ready? 🤜🏿💥🤕
There is one factor to consider. Brunson has that clutch gene and elevates his game by far in the playoffs. I trust him way more than Tatum or Brown to go straight bananas in a series
JT and JB will not be as effective against the defensive tandem of OG and Mikal. Also Boston has no game changing role player like Josh Hart. If KAT shows up in his 2024 form it is the Knicks over Celtics.
It’s still Celtics in 5
@@QuietStormP yes sir! 💪
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Adding KAT was mainly to match With KP cuz otherwise the 2 teams match up pretty well. Well be tight games. 🟠🔵 lets Go Baby #nyc
It'll definitely make for some great matchups!
Great, fair analysis. Coming from a Knicks fan. Hope the ECF is a memorable one 🤝
@@Brian-bw9fh appreciate you! Wanted to keep it as fair and honest as possible! And I agree! See you in the ECF, good sir!
We’ll get a sample of the battle game 1 of the season. Going to be a hell of a season fellas
@@johnny154 I’m excited for it! I’m not gonna buy too much stock from game 1, but I do like the idea of setting the tone and taking the mental advantage early
I'm a Cs fan here, not counting out bucks not counting out Philadelphia either, and if healthy, i think phila are the 2nd best team in the east. embiid is still 2nd best player on the east after giannis so 1-4 gonna be tough and if this is a contract year for butler while spo is the best coach out of all 4 teams it's gonna be a fight, which is y cs needed to win this year cause as Kevin Hart would say shit just got real
@@byranttaylor1535 you can count out philly. How many iterations of partners have we seen around embiid? do you honestly think george and this new team is good enough to break the celtics curse on embiid? For context, embiid hasnt beaten boston in a regular AND playoff series for 7 or 8Y now. Thats why he hates boston so much and he willingly says boston always beats them. Philly has the celtics curse. Worse than Kyrie. Philly aint beating boston while Embiid is still there.
Don’t count my heat out
@@byranttaylor1535 appreciate you watching and stopping by in the comments, man! I’ve got the Knicks over Philly (PG and Embiid injury history) but I do agree, it’s gonna be a dogfight this year, man
@@JudahiamKng i'd say the heat are the biggest threat to the celtics. For non-basketball reasons. Philly doesnt pose a threat. Milwaukee? Depends. NY? a threat. Orlando, cleveland? Nope. Pacers? Joe knighted them as the hardest opponents last season so i'll put them in. To rank in order; 1. Miami 2. NY 3. indy 4. Milwaukee 5. Orlando (can switch with mil) 6. Cleveland 7. Philly
@TheRobversion1 I agree, but how many iterations have been around jt and jb? We have been favorites long b4 the I.T. days and with this specific team, we've done it with the help of course of injuries. eventually shit gonna happen because embiid is the best player on the east after giannis and if healthy when it comes to Philadelphia and knicks I am not gonna just blatantly say give me 6ers just because for the last 7 years while having horford they gonna b easy. Book it! Hell na yes, we've been in their way just as every team has been in ours. But Paul George and the emergence of maxie haahaaa! cs fans gotta stop undermining them. Paul George still is arguably one of the best two-way players who is 6,8 or 6,9 definitely a 20pt per game scorer same as maxie, if history is y we want 6ers fine but talent wise all 3 teams Philadelphia celtics knicks and again bucks and miami every team has something better than the other let's be honest here
Lol how can the Knicks defense possibly take a hit when Kat is a better defender than JR and our wings are both great defenders and Deuce is a better player than Donte.
Let’s be real Brunson already was cooking Boston last year when everybody was injured,so nobody on Boston is stopping him but OG and Bridges can clamp one of those stars and if u put those little players on Kat,he’s gonna kill em in our system.
Brunson cooked em for like 40 I think
Minnesota had no choice they couldn't keep Kat Rudy and Edward's
@@YuriBoris-s8u they went to the WCF, had everyone under contract, they could have run it back this year and made some decisions next summer. Blew it up too soon
@@TaylorTalksCeltics it was the 2nd apron. I think they were resigned to be 2nd apron this season but they didnt want to be shackled nezt season. Getting randle gives them options. They do well enough? They extend randle and stay in the 2nd apron. They dont do well enough? They let randle walk (or sign and trade) to get under the 2nd apron.
@@TheRobversion1 even then, nothing stops them moving someone next summer. You said yourself, they’re resigned to being a 2nd apron team this year. Easy to move Kat next summer
@@TaylorTalksCeltics true. This was more of a 2 bird with 1 stone move. Not only do they get divincenzo to shore up the bench and a pick to replenish their reserves, they also get randle. A more switchable 4 than Kat. The GM realized the road in the west runs through dallas and OKC now. Not denver. They were structured to best denver. They were never going to beat okc or dallas with this structure. They needed a more switchable big option. Denver is weaker now so it was the right move. Best to build the team to counter dallas/okc.
where are your accents from?
@@777VIV Tim is from Boston. Adam is from the UK.
They really shouldn't. All of the Boston starters are one tier above the Knicks, let's be real. People will say Brunson is good, but in my opinion he ranks 3rd against Tatum and Brown. And the numbers and accolades show exactly that. We're coming off a Finals where Jaylen locked up Luka without any chance of a breakout. Celtics up ☘️
So jrue is better than Brunson and KP better than KAT 😂 bro you bias 😂😂
@@trustoryj6476 KP IS better than Kat. The main matchup advantages NY has is brunson over holiday and robinson over kornet/tillman (if healthy). Otherwise boston has the matchup advantage in 7/9 spots: white>hart Jb>mikal Jt>OG KP>Kat Al>achiuwa Pp>mcbride Sam>payne
@@davighidetti8947 even most of the bench outside of mitchell robinson vs. tillman/kornet.
@@TheRobversion1Kat been getting the best of KP since he was a rookie on the Knicks so don’t go there.
@@sinceremarks8529 nope i'mma go there because 1. they wont be guarding each other. Tatum or holiday will be guarding Kat. 2. numbers say KP Is the superior player. KAT is inferior on defense while KP is a top 5 defensive big.
I think the Wolves ruined their title chances this year (unless Ant becomes top 5 this year, but I dont see that happening). While they should be thinking about their future too, this is too much too early. I feel bad for Wolves fans.
@@PattyJ596 they werent getting past dallas and okc anyway with that configuration anywau. Going after randle, a more switchable 4, was the right move. The road in the west now runs through either dallas or okc. Minny was built to stop denver, who is weaker now.
the knicks still have one of the best guards in the league. he’s gonna do even better with the spacing.
@@Adon345 for sure. That doesnt mean though the defending champs should fear them.
@@TheRobversion1 that’s true
Celtics fans better be worried. We're coming
@@StevenTorres.NYC-CA not really. They just won the chip. They are good even if they dont win the chip again this year. Same way denver fans didnt worry when they won. Who should be worried about the knicks are the pacers, bucks and sixers. Especially sixers fans as if they get bounced by the knicks again by the 2nd rd, there will be serious questions as to whether they can win with embiid. If the answer is no, even with paul george and a full roster reset, their fans will crucify morey for extending embiid.
mate have you looked at your bench? The mighty Celtics bench will finish the knicks.
I'm from Brooklyn Ny taken the trip to Boston October 22nd I will be in the building 😤 Let's Goooo
@@777VIV yeaj that bench doesnt look good. They are rumored to be shopping robinson though so they may break down his contract to 2 solid contributors. We'll see. Lakers, pelicans, wizards and grizzles are in the rumors for that.
@@777VIVbro we are still making more moves we not done yet
simple answer? nope. they've lost their best bench piece and Kat is still a defensive liability when put int PNR. Thibs is also probably getting at least 1 of the core pieces (like robinson) injured again by the time the playoffs roll around. not alot of depth behind that good starting 5. my depth projection for them: 1-brunson, mcbride 2-hart, payne (small) 3-mikal 4-OG, achiuwa 5-KAT, robinson (injured) 10th man- morris they are thin at the wings off the bench. their starting 5 looks strong but the bench depth leaves alot to be desired. not alot of shooting off the bench either.
And the same can be said about porzingis. Besides the celtics depth isn't something to be happy about😂
@@StevenTorres.NYC-CA not really unless you're simply talking about injuries. Porzingis is a top 5 defensive big. Possibly top 3. Kats defense has nothing on porzingis. Celtics depth is also fine. Hauser for example would start on a bunch of teams. They have enough bodies. Guys like lonnie walker wouldnt even get to see the floor outside of iniury, garbage time or load management.
@TheRobversion1 only point you're correct on is that porzingis is a better defensive player . KAT will force him out the paint so it will force boston to defend differently.
@@StevenTorres.NYC-CA not really. I'm sure you're a knicks fan because you havent been aware of how boston runs its defensive alignment. So anyway Kp will NEVER guard Kat. Most likely tatum or holiday will guard kat. Given that kat was bullied by PJ washington, i'd take that matchup. KP will guard josh hart or whichever of mikal/OG is the corner shooter. And i:m sure i'm correct too on getting at least 1 of the knicks players injured and the general best 9/10 (rotation) of the knicks.
@@TheRobversion1Kat does everything better than KP other than block shots.
I dont care for JT winning MVP. all i care about is he fixes his jumper and wins another chip.
Here comes the stupid Celtics media with their negative videos about their own team smh. Y’all suck!! All Celtics media sucks!! Clowns!!
I'd rather they sign him outright to the 15th spot on a non-guaranteed vet min with a late guarantee date while they work out possible salary dump trades for walsh or springer for a pick.
LWJ is overrated only by casuals, both in real-life and in Fantasy. He sucks
To answer the title, Yes. He is overrated by Cs fans. Hes not taking PP or Sams spot. At best, hes a 10th-12th man on the team which means hes a situational, injury or garbage time guy. Will he make the roster? Yes. Unless proven otherwise hes better than the current 12-17 men on the roster (jaden, walsh, baylor, jd, drew, anton). This is reinforced by the fact that jaden is on an expiring with no extension on the table and has a 4M contract (TAXES) that shouldnt be paid for a 12th man on the roster.
I agree with everything here. I do think he spends some time in Maine before having his deal converted later in the year, though - save some tax money and develop him in the system while keeping flexibility
@@TaylorTalksCeltics i think we have a different approach to how they save money. I'd go with the Luke Kornet approach. 1. Sign lonnie to the 15th man slot but on a non-guaranteed vet min whose guarantee date is closer to feb, like luke'd previous contract. 2. Play lonnie and jaden early in the season. No maine. This is to see and compare who the celtics want to keep for the stretch run. 3. once the guarantee date is approaching or they've decided, they can either cut lonnie (non-guaranteed, no cap impact) or trade jaden to a team with tpe for a pick + guarantee lonnie's contract.
@@TheRobversion1 you guys cant be serious. Lonnie is significantly better than Jaden. Jaden is like 3-4 years away from being a rotation player
@@prime_time95 thats fair. on offense. on defense, jaden is superior. with that said, neither is breaking into the rotation (top 9), thus i answer yes to overrated because some Cs fans think Lonnie is overtaking pp or sam (or worse d.white and jrue) in the rotation.
Out of curiosity, Adam, why did you decide to transition to doing a single podcast approach?
Fair question. I've always done a co-hosted podcast. But, as my workload has increased and my focus on growing my own stuff has become front and center, it became really difficult to find times that worked for everyone - it's the same reason I left Green With Envy. So, it made sense for me to pivot and start working on a solo show, where I can make sure there's consistency and that there's no overlapping with other peoples schedules. It's 100% going to be a learning curve, and I'll have a battle to keep it interesting for everyone. But I have some ideas, and will make sure there's a healthy dose of guests and other things to make it work. I also hate changing directions. And this summer has seen a lot of change for me. By going solo, I'm hoping to eliminate the risk of more change moving forward. How do you think the first one went?
@@TaylorTalksCeltics its fine. That reasoning makes sense. For sure, though its good to have guests to spice things up and to have someone to bounce things off of or to play devils advocate/challenge you. I can definitely understand the schedule conflict. IIRC you're in the UK and i bet most of the content creators you worked with are from the US while you have audience members like me from Asia. like right now its 11:07 PM where i am. Anyway i'm sure it'll work. You just gotta be patient and open to trying new things. Rooting for you and i'll definitely be around. ;)
This is an overrated signing. Lonnie is a 1-skill guy whose great skill (3-level scorer) is the one thing the Cs dont need. He wont get to handle the ball in the Cs offense as he'll be at least be behind 5 players in Cs playmaking depth chart (jt, jb, jrue, white, pp). The only thing he brings that translates is the good 3pt shooting. He doesnt rebound, set screens or play defense. Hes a decent passer though. The Cs need more of these skills from role players (along with high 3pt efficiency). They dont need another shot creator. Much moreso a guard which is their deepest position. They need 3ND wings. Hes arguably this teams 12th man at best (assuming Joe prefers his offense to springer's defense). And when fully healthy, no team really plays more than 9-10 men a night in the regular season. Cs rotation: starters 1-5: jt, jb, kp, jrue, d.white core bench 6-9: al, hauser, pp, tillman regular rotation mins stop here. situational bench 10-12: luke (with kp out to start the season), queta (for the time Al sits on the 2nd night of a B2B), lonnie (if they decide to give jrue the al treatment) maine 13-18: jaden, anton, baylor, walsh, jd, drew camp cuts 19-20: harper jr. Enaruna The positive here is lonnie will push jaden and baylor in camp. Lonnie though wont get mins outside of garbage time/injuries/rest. He's not overtaking PP.
I agree with this. I think that's the value of the Exhibit 10, you don't have to convert him to a full-scale deal and can leave him in the G-League if the fit doesn't make much sense. Lonnie is essentially a better version of Svi with a deeper skillset. But, as you mention, he's not overtaking anyone in the rotation outside of maybe Scheierman - which I would prefer he didn't. Great pick-up in terms of value and experience, but i'm not sold he makes the final roster ahead of the season.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I think teams/systems have alot to do with it. He's been in less than ideal systems. Brooklyn has been a mess, the spurs system isn't always great for giving players freedom, anytime you play with lebron you're automatically a spot up guy. I think this is a great depth piece. Our main guys will need rest throughout the year and I think he can be a guy who can give you 12-15 on nights where our stars aren't playing
Totally fair. My pushback would be that Lonnie's lack of defense could limit him getting those opportunities - the same way it limited Svi last year. I think Scheirerman's deeper skillset could also keep Lonnie deep on the bench. I kind of expect him to stick, but maybe gets waived, sent to Maine, and converted closer to February.
@@TaylorTalksCeltics lonnies not eligible for a 2-way though so if he doesnt get a contract, he moves on. Yeah the only ones he overtakes are the young guys: baylor, jaden, anton and walsh. Agreed. Its a great pickup from Brad. A grade. Talent is talent. As long as its not a culture disruptor, you pick it up if ifs cheap and figure out the rest later. You never know when injuries can happen or someone regresses in camp. What i can foresee happening here is lonnie gets a non-guaranteed vet min. Similar to what luke got before. The guaranteed date though will be the day post-trade deadline. This gives the Cs time to look at lonnie and Jaden then decide by the trade deadline who they want to keep. They could decided to guarantee lonnie's deal after they salary dump jaden for a pick to lessen luxury taxes. This approach helps lessen luxury taxes. And agreed. Defense is the main issue for him. He needs to show hes at least on PPs level.defensively to be even considered to overtake jaden in the rotation.
@@TheRobversion1 You can still be funneled to the G-League without a two-way...the only difference is another team can sign him at any time. But, if there wasn't much interest now, there's a chance he's still in Maine by Feb.