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Great video Dean. Always nice to see an honest unbiased opinion. I only have 1 question and that is how the hell have you only got 11000 subscribers? Keep up the great content you continue to push out. 👍👏

Its probably an overkill purchase for a hobbyist(which ironically is probably who would most likely need it) but in a production or workpalce environment i think theyre a great idea. I would definitely invest as a business owner and as an employee would hope my boss would. I dont consider the cost above and beyond the ALARP principles. I can buy a set of overalls from screwfix for 10 quid. I can also, and i have to due to the places i work, buy and wear overalls that are a couple hundred quid because they offer far higher levels of protection like fire resitance. I go to work every day not expecting to be engulfed in a fire ball. I'd rather have them and not need them than need them and not have them.

FINALLY!!!!! Someone with balls willing to say what the majority of us are thinking. Brilliant video as always Dean.

Dean, highly informative.. your video has made me look at saw stop from totally different perspective! So thank you , cheers Rob

It’s sour grapes Dean! 😂 And I must admit to having some of them after buying the Makita table saw, whose fence makes it IMPOSSIBLE to get a straight cut when ripping timber.

I think you are more likely to get an injury from unclamped wood in a pillar drill or mitre saw or jigsaw...how about kickback from your battery drill..I actually broke a couple of fingers many years ago when a hole saw jammed in a metal box I was drilling..everything has its risks and to me the worst risks are steps and ladders, not power tools. Keep up the good work Dean, with you all the way..👍

Hi you made some very good points in your. I know as a DIY person I know because I am not using my table saw or other power tools every day. I all ways checking and double checking I am safe. And even Doug I think sawstop is great I think it make me over confident and that to me is when we all do some thing stupid.

Well said Dean, you also have the cost of new blades as well which takes it over £100 evert time. I'm severely sight impaired and use the new Evolution saw with the supplied blade and have no problems. I use a lot of scrap wood and pallets and have trouble seeing all the screws and nails which the Evolution has no problem with so can you imagine how much it would cost me if i used a SawStop. I think i would be homeless within a week.

My car has auto breaks, lights etc, my daughters does not, ill drive mine, move my daughters for whatsever reason, and always leave the hand break off because my car does it automatically. I could see a situation where, if i had this saw, that i would get use to the safety features, then use a different machine, and loose a couple of fingers because it doesn't...

I was going to move from an Axminster to Sawstop then when they arrived I was disappointed to see no cast iron version just contractor saws, then I looked at the price and thought no way that's not going to happen talk about over inflated prices.

Can I just pipe up... As a woodwork wizard who fixes broken people for a living, I have been known to visit construction sites. Most of the injuries I have seen that involved saws have been caused by two things... 1. Kickback 2. Idiots The worst case was a guy who had a contractor type saw on the ground, not on a stand. Kickback broke his jaw. Bad enough you may think. Made worse by the guy who picked him up off the cold hard ground and sat him down on the nearest thing he could find... You guessed it, the still spinning saw. Apparently his nickname has been "arsenic" ever since. Anyway... I for one totally agree with you and shall not be getting a saw stop. God help us if the government gets involved. Top video yet again Dean

The Stumpy Nubs video I mentioned - ua-cam.com/video/nxKkuDduYLk/v-deo.htmlsi=5FGgZ-SQEK65EMOs

I agree with everything here 👌

Go back to.your hand tools.... O wait, you moved in to power tools. Now, power tools do come with more safety. Great. Does that mean complacency, not to most. But gee, why not have more safety? Of course it's smarter if you can buy it. Stupid clickbait title.

Fantastic video. Thank you Dean. I have the evolution tbl255 table saw based largely on your videos . I’d like to make a push stick a bit like the one you showed here . Where would I find that little dohickey that checks the blade to mitre slot distance?

as a newbie rapidly absorbing knowledge this was a refreshing take on a ‘new product’ and importantly offers the advice on how to work without one - ie good practice, tuned saw etc. Thanks for a dose of good common sense UK reality backed by a lifetime of knowledge and use. I bet the next video in my algorithm will be from a wannabee making raw edge coasters using a sawstop table saw! Can’t wait to comment on that too now I’ve had a reality pill.

This is the classic seat belt argument, so here’s the counter: seat belts don’t make people worse drivers, neither do they make learning to drive optional. I think you managed to get some govt info on workplace table saw injuries? What did you find out?

As someone who’s been failing to teach themself woodwork for three years, I love your stuff. It’s great to see a fellow Englishman in a normal sized space , with accessible tools . Admittedly none of my work actually makes it past the bin. That said I think much of my issue is I’m I’m always in a rush and want to finish everything in the odd hour I have in the garage ..😅 Starting again from scratch now and will be watching all your vids as well as Peter Millard’s . Keep up the great work

Totally agree and I’m far more afraid to experience a second kick back (the first one was cause by a lack of knowledge on how to operate a table saw!!!) than loosing a finger. It was an eye opener for me to seek help of a professional woodworker for a safety formation. Education is the way to safety. Anybody can buy this wood’s missiles launcher at a big box store and like me have no clue how to operate it. If government wants to regulate to protect the population they could made mandatory for the manufacturers to provide a less flimsy anti kickback/blade Gard and push stick.

SawStop has been owned by Festool for many years. They opened the patent to everyone two years ago and other brands are developing their own models. If you ask someone if they would want their finger back or the hundred grand in surgeries and care to get back. Ask yourself that. Every person I have talked to has said their finger was never the same when it was fixed. Nerves gone and can’t feel anything or not able to move it fully. Argument about it making you more careless is weird because the motivation is still very strong to not scare the hell out of you and crash a blade. Just having to scrap a workpiece is motivation to be careful.

Great video Dean. As an American I share your concerns about the entire business model of SawStop. I love safety technology but not at the sacrifice of proper tool usage training. I believe this is the video from Stumpy Nubs you were referring to. Cheers! ua-cam.com/video/nxKkuDduYLk/v-deo.html

You're right, excessive safety systems breeds complacency. Look at the safety tech in cars these days for instance, if it's safe people will take advantage of that and stop concentrating on what they are doing. We need to get back a bit more to the days of 'your safety is your responsibility' because it doesn't matter how many safety systems are put in place when people can be careless or complacent. Like you said at the end, if they were denuinely doing it for everyone's safety they would have released the patents to other manufacturers for free! Like volvo did with seatbelts for example.

Thanks for such an honest video. I agree that proper set up and education/training is most important. I’ve seen one person loose a couple of fingers on a table saw, but if the crown guard had been in place it was avoidable. Sawstop tech is like all these safety features in cars. It seems to make users complacent. Looking forward to your next video.

Another great video, as always. It's so refreshing to see someone who genuinely wants to help his fellow woodworkers rather than put out as much content as possible. I agree that proper care and common sense is what is needed over expensive saw stop technology. I recently treated myself to the same Evolution saw you have. When I set it up, I checked and re-checked everything because, to be honest, it scared the crap out of me. It's the fear of losing body parts, that's making me so safety conscious every time I use it. Which, I believe, is more important in keeping me safe than a saw stop would be.

I’m just waiting for the UK UA-camrs and Instagram “Influencers” 🙄 to start their begging videos with their hashtags all over the screen. “Please Sawstop send me a saw” it’s all a load of b*llocks, if you want a Sawstop go and buy one, and stop whoring yourself on social media.

The standards for quality control on machinery for home use also needs to be made uniform. No table saw should leave a factory/shop without being fully and properly calibrated with the supplied and fitted blade. Most guys and gals on here know how to do our due diligance and check all this on new equipment before we even introduce the plug to the power socket. Not not every new buyer does have that knowledge. Look at crown guards for instance and the catastrophet he Rutlands table saw could cause with the guard resting on the blade. Not to mention the loose carriage and misalignment issues.

If it's about safety, then why is it so expensive and only available from one company? Imagine if Volvo had held onto the patent for seatbelts. Imagine having to pay a premium to have them in your car and only being able to get them in a Volvo 😒

I think there is a place for it as there is always brand snobs out there. But yeah for most of us we will never own one nor even want one.

Thanks for sharing your honest thoughts!👍 It's great to hear different perspectives on Sawstop and the technology coming to the UK. Continue sharing your amazing content! 🙂

Yep, totally agree.👍

Hi, I don’t think you have demonstrated one clear reason for a UK based person not to buy a Saw-Stop? Price: yes pricey however so are a lot of things, Festol and others are notably expensive yet sell very well. Business Practice: every company wants more sales and less competition. SawStop are seeking to maximise their opportunities. Setting Up: all saws lack help to get the saw set up and safe to use. So buy SawStop or a.n other and one is in the same place. Yet, SawStop will save body parts, that must be good? What is the value of a finger tip? £1k may not be expensive if it saves a body part. All saws are potentially dangerous as are most of the power tools we all use. If we followed your thinking they would be safe but awfully expensive or cheap as chips but take care using it!? Love your work Bob England

I've been using a table saw since 1976. I've never had a kick back. I've never cut a finger or hand. I was taught to double check everything and if it feels dodgy don't do it. I have cut my finger twice using a handsaw. If I had money to burn I'd think about getting one. They are nice saws. I'd say if my income went up by times 4 then I would rethink it. . I'm in the states and I sure hope they don't start mandating it. Cheers

I agree with you Dean. I had a table saw injury this last June which I don't think the Saw Stop would have prevented! I had finished sawing and had hit the stop button on my Rage 5s. Unfortunately I didn't had the blade guard on as I was cutting thick stock that wouldn't go past it while in situ. After I'd hit the stop button, I turned left and three of the knuckles of my right hand came into contact with the still spinning (but slowing down) blade. I won't go into too many details but I still have all three finger involved and they still work (OK not as well as before but at least I still have them!!)! My point is that the switch was off so the small electric charge that passes through the blade to make it sense the presence of flesh would also be off! BLADE/CROWN GUARDS ARE SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT.

Interesting film thanks. Definitely agree about uninformed Govts making useless new laws. The best example I can think of is 3rd/high level brake lights. All cars have them, they are utterly pointless. I remember the campaign in the UK to make them compulsory. Nice illustrations etc. The reality is you can't see the light beyond the car in front 😂

Thanks for another informative video. I have used a push stick like yours and have made a jig like yours to fit my clock gauge for setting up my fence and blade and riving knife on my evolution saw. I see that evolution has now got a low riving now for the 255tbl+ but I already have one made like you from an old saw blade. You are good at what you do on UA-cam and really appreciate your honest down to earth approach to woodworking. And thanks for giving stumpy nubbs a plug as he is someone like yourself that is well worth watching.

I have one of this for a while after 2 regular printers. It´s fantastic. The stock screen looks and feels superb, but to get a bump in userability the xtouch project with the CYD (cheap yellow display) improves quite a lot the interface with the device for little money.

Mate I’ve seen a few videos of these recently and commented on them to say pretty much the same as what you’re saying. I know there are people who’ve lost fingers to a table saw but I’m pretty sure it’s not as common as kick back. Also as you said the cost of the machines brakes replacement blades coupled with the fact that wet wood sets it off doesn’t fill me with joy. The other thing is that from what I’ve seen for the cost it looks quite plasticky and the quality of the fence is no different to my de Walt one. 👍🏻

Well said. Specially the last point.

Well said Dean. SawStop is not what I consider to be the best safety device. A riving knife, correct setup and education are far more effective at mitigating injuries. You are not alone in your opinion.

I’m not sure I totally agree with you BUT if I see one more sausage not being cut in half by an extremely expensive saw I think I’ll put my sausage through a non sawstop table saw😳. I agree they will probably increase complacency and we may well end up with more injuries.

Here here Dean. About time someone stood up against this stupid saw stop revelation.

Dean, I couldn't agree more. You've enumerated the SawStop's shortcoming brilliantly. I've been saying the same as you on this side for years. Many new woodworkers are scared because they haven't really done anything yet in life. We are a nation of sheep. Most of us who worked our way up the trade have been using the same saw/tools for more than 20 years (before there were any real safety measures). It is the craftsman, not the tool. Good on you.

There is a lack of UK epidemiology data for table saw injuries in the public domain. What is interesting is the marketing claims made by SawStop in the EU/UK are backed largely by injury data from the US. So with that in mind, there is a US National Institute of Health report discussing the subject which does make interesting reading. According to that study (a meta analysis of other studies), with a population 335m people, there are 9.5m table saws in the US leading to 30,000 blade contact injuries. The split between occupational injuries and non-occupational injuries is roughly 4:1 with around 11,000 injuries to people like you and most of your audience, hobbyists and diyers (but does include education). Of those 11,000 blade contact injuries, 66% were lacerations, with amputation between 10 and 15%. I would suggest that that data is probably representative of injuries sustained in the UK/EU also. However it's worth adding that recent statements to congress about the number of injuries have used data sets at a higher 49,000 injuries per year level, even though availaible data is mixed on the actual number of injuries. For SawStop's part, you could argue that focusing on amputation in their marketing comes across as alarmist and an exaggeration of the data. However the impact of blade contact injuries to their victims is significant with many laceration victims not regaining full use of their finger or thumb. Their claim that their technology is effective in minimising these impacts is also fair, in my opinion. However, that feature is one of many safety features included in that saw which are similar to many others. Blade-guard, thin-rip fence, push stick, electronic brake, etc. and the studies generally describe impact reduction in terms of all these features, including an exploding cartridge, acting in concert to reduce the risk to the operator. Other marketing claims, such as replacing the blade and cartridge for free if it saved your finger, are harder to judge fairly and might masks some of the costs in the minds of potential owners should you experience the system activate. I agree with you that the cost of the technology is prohibitive, and for a diy'er not an option. The release of their patent into the public domain early will allow competitors to introduce similar technology and the hope is that this increased competition will decrease the cost overall, but I doubt it in the short term. I agree that correct operation of a table saw is essential, as is the set-up of the tool itself. And you make several good points in that regard. As someone who's day job is risk and compliance in engineering, for companies this technology makes complete sense, and the cost is negligible and I know from speaking to insurers that you can already find the question of prevention of blade contact injuries in proposal forms. As someone who also makes a part-living from woodwork, under the guise of that business - yeah, for the right saw. I'd pay too. A bit long of a comment but I've been thinking about this a lot myself having spent time with SawStop at the Harrogate show two weeks ago. Cheers Dean. Ping me if you ever want to chat about stuff like this. K.

Agree totally. Look at cars now days loaded with safety features all over the dashboard and ever take control in a mild way of thud steering wheel. When in reality all that crap take your attention from what’s truly important and that’s watching the road. If sawstop and welcomed into how trade or hobby it will never end in rolling into expensive crap we don’t need. Simple basic awareness and training is the key. Another good one dean👍

Fair points Dean. I do like the safety tech but we don't need the saw stop in the UK or Europe. And absolutely, the great safety of this brings complacency. So many don't know how to properly set up their saw, tradies and amateurs alike. I will also add that far too many people remove the crown guard.

Dean, hard take! I don’t even own a table saw, too sh!t sacred of the things and make do with just a track saw and all the limitations attached. Researched the hell outta table saws though as I want one and I think it’ll improve workflow. Your evolution would probably be the one I go for. But here’s the issue for me - you can do all the right stuff, crown guard, adjusted fence, proper technique and you might never have an incident. But just one, and only one might be life changing, and that’s where the saw stop pays for itself. For me it’s like the seatbelt in my car, hopefully never need it, but when I do, I’m glad it’s there…

Agree 👍 Enjoyed the video With regards to your parting statement. Forget about the saw price. Why does a cartridge cost £80! My blades don't cost more than £40. £120 every time I forget to dry my hands in the bathroom and go straight to the workshop! 😮😢

Use proper guarding and push sticks / blocks you shouldn’t be anywhere near the blade. If what you are doing on the saw is dangerous then you’ve probably selected the wrong tool for the job. I know you have pitched this for hobbyists / occasional users but for anyone that wants to dig a bit deeper search 1974 woodworking machine regulations. That’s the level for businesses. Keep up the conversation. Regards JP

There seems to be a bit of confusion in regard to safety. Firstly what governs safety is the Health and Safety at Work Act. For DIY's it does not apply because youre not at work! Example: under h&s you must have completed the grinding regs before youre allowed to change a grinding disc. You must also use 110 volt, not 240. However anyone can go to b&q, buy a 240v 10" grinder, change the discs and do whatever they want with it. Why? Again the law only applies to being at work, not a diy'er or using the tool outside that of an employee or employer. This also applies to the self employed as they are in charge of their own h&s, unless they employ more than four, in which case they must conform because of the number they employ. If you buy this saw for home use youre on your own, as there is no health & safety at home act! Why? Because youre not going to sue yourself for failing to comply to a non existant law! Thats why there is little data as nobody informs h&s about home accidents. Accidents on site would be reported only if severe or if the equipment failed to neet PUWER regs.

Having been involved in lobbying in the past, politicians are stupid and will believe what so called “experts” tell them. These safety regulations always make things more expensive for us. We can no longer do our own electrics, install our own windows, wood burners etc etc etc!