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Thanks @AdrickPandyan, this encourages me to continue recording hymns with all verses. While it may not be practical in a church setting, UA-cam allows people to just click next if they don't want to listen to the whole thing. I really enjoy immersing myself in the full heritage of the original compositions and learning about these great hymns, their writers, and their stories. Be blessed.

Hi @Brasilianischer, thanks for checking out my video. I don't have the energy to discuss and debate the complexities of this area of geopolitics. However, I would really value a link to an equivalent palestinian poem in which they reminiss over their past glories and rulers, and their longing to return to rebuild their ancient ruins and live together as brothers in the land once again. This would be very interesting to compare and contrast.

Thanks Benjamin, I really appreciate that. I still don't understand how the second verse is messed up though - as discussed with links previously. It'd be great to have a reference to the original text that explains this. I appreciate it's different to the national anthem, which I see as having used artistic license to adapt the original poem to reflect the realized hope. I must be missing something as a foreigner.

@@Bretanark i worded this badly. you’re correct in that your version is the one that was published in 1886, it’s just weird how his original notes and the modern hatikvah poem have the second stanza (first verse for the anthem) in the singular form and the intermediary form has it in the plural. It’s more of a curiosity about the development of the poem than anything. You did amazing, I’m just mad at Imber for being inconsistent

I spent some time investigating this to simply conclude it's messed up 🙂. It feels like I've stepped into a swamp of historical fog. And wading through lengthy academic dissertations that evoke an involuntary pyhsical reaction to my autistic tendencies didn't help 😞. While I sourced the poem from Wikipedia, it sourced it from the other site I referenced. I could find no other quotation of the 9 verses like I used. All others tend to agree with the national anthem. On Wikipedia, I finally noticed the handwritten image, which also agrees with the national anthem. However, this image dates around 1907 and has verse one and two switched as in the national anthem. I could find no evidence from earlier. Hence I agree with your original statement - it's messed up. I stick to my original story - that Hatikva has evolved over time. However the origins will probably remain out of my reach in the foggy domain of academia. Thank you so much for the discussion. I've learned a lot more about this beautiful poem. Shalom Shalom 🙂.

Hi Tom, I take it as a compliment that you guess I'm Jewish. I'm a conservative, fundamentalist Pentecostal Christian from New Zealand with Salvation Army heritage. I have 0% Jewish DNA and love my bacon ;-) I've learned a little Hebrew - enough to attempt publishing without embarrassment. I dream of going to Israel some day. As for me, I recognize anyone as a fellow believer who generally agrees with the Apostles' creed, which includes recognizing others who agree with the creed - Trinity, Unity of the church, Incarnation, and the Resurrection of Jesus and the saints. This includes Eastern Orthodox Christians, with whom I've sung for many years, and Catholics. While I struggle with their praying to saints, and near-deification of Mary, these I can agree to disagree on and worship alongside these precious siblings in Christ. I feel I'm strongly aligned with Messianic Jews (Jews for Jesus?) in my beliefs, but am concerned about a tendency towards a counter-replacement theology that elevates Jewish believers. I have a problem with Jewish roots movements. I see these as imposing Mosaic law on Gentiles, quite contrary to the general theme of Acts and the Epistles: Acts 15:28 "For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well." We all have different perspectives, and interpretations. Lots to disagree on - hopefully in love. I love the unity in diversity of the Church, of which Messianics have an important and unique role. Be blessed

@@Bretanark Thank you for your thoughtful and profound response.

Thanks for the encouragement Bonnie Joy. I really appreciate it.

Our triune God is blessed indeed.

Thank you so much for your encouragement

I'd be happy to add that. Either as another video, but maybe better to add captions to this one to avoid confusion with two different versions. If you're happy to provide a translation, I'll add that. The Spanish wikipedia page doesn't have the full text, and my spanish is only good enough to fumble through reading.

Here's the full english text if you'd like to offer a translation: ----- Hatikva The Hope The original nine-verse poem That was adapted to the Israeli national anthem ----- In 1878, the land of Israel was a hope Ha Tikva - “The Hope” of every Jew. The Romans renamed the land after their ancient enemy, the Philistines, when they evicted the Jews from their homeland. Around the world for millennia, generation after generation faced exile after exile as they faced a new massacre from their neighbours. Naftali Herz Imber, from Poland captured their hope of returning to their homeland in this poem. By 1920, this was adapted by Zionists to express the hope realized. This later become the Israeli national anthem. ----- Our hope is not yet lost, The ancient hope, To return to the land of our fathers; The city where David encamped. As long as in his heart within, A soul of a Jew still yearns, And onwards towards the ends of the east, His eye still looks towards Zion. As long as tears from our eyes Flow like benevolent rain, And throngs of our countrymen Still pay homage at the graves of our fathers. As long as our precious Wall Appears before our eyes, And over the destruction of our Temple An eye still wells up with tears. As long as the waters of the Jordan In fullness swell its banks, And down to the Sea of Galilee With tumultuous noise fall. As long as on the barren highways The humbled city-gates mark, And among the ruins of Jerusalem A daughter of Zion still cries. As long as pure tears Flow from the eye of a daughter of my nation And to mourn for Zion at the watch of night She still rises in the middle of the nights. As long as the feeling of love of nation Throbs in the heart of a Jew, We can still hope even today That a wrathful God may have mercy on us. Hear, oh my brothers in the lands of exile, The voice of one of our visionaries, “That only with the very last Jew, Only there is the end of our hope!” ----- Here's the english transliteration. Spanish seems to prefer a "J" instead of "kh": Od lo avdah tikvatenu Hatikva hanoshana Mishuv le’erets avotenu La’ir bah David khanah. Kol od bilvavo sham pnima Nefesh yehudi homiyah Ulfa’ate mizrakh kadimah Enu letsion tsofiyah. Kol od dema’ot me’enenu Teradnah kegeshem nedavot Urvavot mibne amenu Od holkhim lekivre-avot. Kol od khomat-makhmadenu Od le’enenu mofa’at Va’ale khurban mikdashenu Ayin akhat od doma’at. Kol od hayarden bega’on Melo gedotaiv yizolu Ulyam kineret besha’on Bekol hamulah yipolon. Kol od shamah dema’ot tehorot Me’en-ami nozlot Livkot letsion berosh ashmorot Yakum bakhatsi halelot. Kol od regesh ahavat-hale’om Belev hayehudi po’em Od nukhal kaveh gam hayom Ki yerakhamenu el zo’em. Shim’o akhai beartsot nudi Et kol ekhad khuzenu “Ki rak im akharon hayehudi Gam akharit tikvatenu!”

This is a really good point. Too often the Jews take the credit from God. According to their scriptures, God has restored them because of his name, contrary to their lack of righteousness. Any observer notes that their successes are super-natural i.e. against all natural odds. God has an amazing plan, and the Jews are right at the centre of his-story as it unfolds.

Yup. You could say 2,500-2,700 years - since the first exile from Babylon and Assyria. They've not had automony lasting more than a few years since then, having been ruled over by the Persians, Greeks and Romans. So while the hope of returning to their land is realized, hence the modification of this poem for their anthem, Israel still longs for the messiah to return to restore complete peace and security forever.

The same way Palestinians and Philistines are not the same, Israelis and Israelites are not the same. There are today Palestinian Arabs, Palestinian Jews, Palestinian Samaritans, Palestinian Egyptians, et al. Similarly there are Israeli Arabs, Israeli Jews, Israeli Samaritans, Israeli Druze, et al

Hi Lozzi, thank you so much for the encouragement. The arrangement and all the voices are done by me (Brent Clark) by layering one track at a time. It's based on how we sang it in the Salvation Army churches I grew up in. So you can just check out my channel to see more. I have a mix of acapella and instrument + choir arrangements. I recommend my playlist called Brent's Hymns ua-cam.com/play/PLfqFK1Ggzm7BG2sFa_EqKtzkhGiIkg7F8.html

That reminds me of how Israel has fulfilled: Isaiah 27:6 In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit. Blessed be the God of Israel.

Thanks Gary. Great question. It's really important to not just look at one verse, but try to bring everything together to form a picture or model. We should then hold this loosely as it's easy to get things wrong - particularly when we've overlooked a few of the thousands of prophecies to consider. I love your observations that this could mean the last day of the church age e.g. ~2075AD, or it could be the final resurrection at the end of this space/time ~3075AD, or the last 1,000-year day +/-. I don't read day as an exact 24-hour period, but a period of time in this case. e.g. the Tribulation 7-year period is often referred to as "the day of the Lord". Consider the day beginning at sunset - it's not exactly 6pm, but around then, whether you observe civil, nautical or astronomical. So in this sense, the Tribulation is the dusk that transitions from day 6 to day 7, and could be counted as either. I'm also open to the idea of multiple raptures/resurrections. So the late- or post-tribbers might be on to something, but it's another rapture - of Tribulation saints. So no clear answer from me. I'm focusing my thoughts on other areas at the moment - particularly learning Hebrew and recording hymns for vocal practice, but will return to re-examine end times in a few years when I've had time to digest my studies so far and have more material to include for consideration. Be blessed.

Thank you, Brent, for such a quick reply. I was hoping you would have an answer that I could lock down with 100% certainty, lol, but God intentionally wanted to leave some mystery about it. Agree with your points, especially that the "day of the Lord" is not a 24-hour day. Every occurrence of that phrase has to do with God's judgment and wrath. Some of the occurrences are clearly for the tribulation, but 2 Peter 3:8 describes the final melting of the earth that occurs after the Millennial Kingdom reign of Christ (certainly not part of the tribulation) as also being part of the "day of the Lord." "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed." (2 Peter 3:10 ESV) Personally, I'm starting to think that the "day of the Lord" is the period of time where Christ rules over the earth, beginning and ending in judgment. It starts from when Christ is no longer sitting at the right hand of the Father waiting for His enemies to be made His footstool. He has begun to rule, which starts by Him taking His bride, the Church, then taking the scroll, the title deed of the earth, pouring out wrath in the tribulation, the last day extending beyond His 1,000 year Millennial reign to where He passes final judgment on the heavens and the earth to make way for the new heavens and new earth. If you look at it that way, then "the last day" in John 6 very well could be the "day of the Lord" with a pre-trib rapture that fits within the 7,000 year prophecy. Plus, John 6 says that “everyone” who believes will be raised “in the last Day.” Scripture doesn’t speak of a resurrection during the Millennial Kingdom, but those people who believe in Christ then will be flesh and blood and flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom, so they will have to be given resurrected bodies. Per John 6, they would be part of “everyone who believes,” so their resurrection would also have to be “in the last Day,” which would still fit if you look at "the last Day" as the period of time that Christ rules over the earth. Anyway, I'll let you get back to Hebrews and singing. We're certainly not going to solve this today. Thank you again and many blessings from America. You’ve given me a lot to think about.

Cool. So we could read the day of the lord as being the last 1,000 year day +/-. As well as all the other interpretational possibilities. It's certainly fun to speculate, and then to see how right (wrong) we were in hindsight. Speculation is an important part of studying: hypothesize, test, refine, rest, and repeat ad infinitum ;-)

Shalom Lilac. Thanks for the comment. I don't understand why you're asking "What's this?" I hope my ignorance towards Israelis hasn't caused offence.

My confusion is that I describe the background of this performance in the description above. Further to this, this is an artistic expression of solidarity with God's chosen people, for whom I have a particular affection. It's quite possible that my above-quoted information sources are wrong, in which case, I'd appreciate any correction.

זו הגרסה המקורית של התקווה של נפתלי הרץ אימבר, חבל שישראלים כבר לא מכירים אותה

@@BarefootDani Do you know of any other musical arrangements of this? I couldn't find any, so felt rather nervous taking so much artistic license in a foreign language. If you know of one, I'd really appreciate a link.

@@Bretanarkno, this is the first arrangement I found of the whole original song. I'm actually surprised you're not a native Hebrew speaker, this is very well done

I'm glad I've been able to help. Be blessed.

Hi Michael. Thanks for asking. I've been taking a break for a while as I focus on other things. I was thinking about trying to do a couple of Christmas carols, which are the most popular on my channel. Last night I felt the urge to look at doing Hatikva - a 19th century Jewish poem that's become the Israeli national anthem. It'll be nice to do a project again, and this will be an interesting challenge. I don't think I'll get around to "Maker in who we live" before the next year. I hope life is treating you well.

Hi Michael, I've just published Maker in whom we live: ua-cam.com/video/WpOTiKmpKfw/v-deo.html I hope you like it. Thanks for the suggestion. Happy new year.

Thank you so much for the encouragement. Be blessed. Greetings from Christchurch, New Zealand.

Hi @michaeljjt8149, here's Onward Christian Soldiers: ua-cam.com/video/-QeWSQhrunc/v-deo.html Thanks again for the great suggestion. Be blessed.

Hey Michael! Cool! I love the suggestion. That's a great song that I really should do. 18 verses sounds really long, but I see there's two different melodies - the one I know has heaps of repeats. Perhaps I could do a mix of the two for variety. I see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_for_a_Thousand_Tongues_to_Sing quotes 18 verses in John Wesley's original lyrics. It would be great to do that justice. Watch out for it in a month or so.

@@Bretanark I'd love it if you could use the tune AZMON.

hi Michael, I'm enjoying putting "O for a thousand tongues" together, using a similar style to "What a beautiful name": choir, "piano", whistle, pad, bass & drums - all vocal/acapella. I've recorded the first 40-ish tracks and it's coming together really nicely. It's a combination of the two melodies to break up the monotony of the same melody 18 times. I use the more familiar melody for verses 1, 7 and 18, and Azmon for the rest, generally joining two verses as one before a key/style change. I hope it's not too disappointingly different from your expectations. I'm starting to think about "Onward Christian Soldiers", which I think would be cool with a brass band march style acapella. That'll relive memories of my Salvation Army roots :-). "Maker, in whom we live" doesn't ring a bell. I'll look that up later. Certainly wouldn't want to do the melody of "Crown him with many crowns" again. Keep in mind each of these videos takes 20-30 hours of my hobby time after family, work, and ministry, so it'll take a while.

The only other hymn I'd like to hear in a different tune is "My God, and Is Thy Table Spread?", which uses the tune for When I Survey the Wondrous Cross", and would like to hear it in a different tune.

Do you have a tune in mind that I can look up?