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Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies
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The Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies (SCU) is a coalition of scientists, researchers, and professionals from organizations, governments, and industries, working to conduct, promote, and encourage rigorous scientific examination of Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena (UAP), commonly known as Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs).
009 - Robert Powell Explains SCU's Analysis of Over 60,000 UAP Cases
QUESTIONS
- What makes for a reliable UAP report, and what do the reliable reports tell us about the phenomena?
- What "kinds" of UAP emerge out of the data on UAP encounters?
- What are the trends in the form and behavior of UAP over the past 70 years?
- What does the data suggest about the origin of these strange phenomena?
GUEST INFO
Robert Powell is a chemist, engineer, and researcher with a BS in Chemistry and nearly three decades of experience in engineering management in the semiconductor industry. As the former Director of Research for MUFON (2007-2017), Robert established its Science Review Board and co-authored detailed reports on notable UAP cases, including the "Stephenville Lights" and the 2013 Aguadilla, Puerto Rico incident. A member of the Society for Scientific Exploration and the UFODATA project, Robert is also a co-author of _UFOs and Government: A Historical Inquiry_ and actively uses FOIA requests to uncover historical UAP-related data. Robert is executive board member of SCU. He and his wife reside in Austin, Texas.
LINKS
- Link to SCU's report, “The Reported Shape, Size, Kinematics, Electromagnetic Effects, and Presence of Sound of UAP”: www.explorescu.org/post/the-reported-shape-size-kinematics-electromagnetic-effects-and-presence-of-sound-of-uap
- Robert Powell's page at the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies: www.explorescu.org/robert-powell
- Robert's book "UFOs: A Scientist Explains What We Know (And Don't Know)": amzn.to/4fJpigG
- Robert's book "The Truth About UFOs: A Scientific Perspective": amzn.to/3V9Ny35
- What makes for a reliable UAP report, and what do the reliable reports tell us about the phenomena?
- What "kinds" of UAP emerge out of the data on UAP encounters?
- What are the trends in the form and behavior of UAP over the past 70 years?
- What does the data suggest about the origin of these strange phenomena?
GUEST INFO
Robert Powell is a chemist, engineer, and researcher with a BS in Chemistry and nearly three decades of experience in engineering management in the semiconductor industry. As the former Director of Research for MUFON (2007-2017), Robert established its Science Review Board and co-authored detailed reports on notable UAP cases, including the "Stephenville Lights" and the 2013 Aguadilla, Puerto Rico incident. A member of the Society for Scientific Exploration and the UFODATA project, Robert is also a co-author of _UFOs and Government: A Historical Inquiry_ and actively uses FOIA requests to uncover historical UAP-related data. Robert is executive board member of SCU. He and his wife reside in Austin, Texas.
LINKS
- Link to SCU's report, “The Reported Shape, Size, Kinematics, Electromagnetic Effects, and Presence of Sound of UAP”: www.explorescu.org/post/the-reported-shape-size-kinematics-electromagnetic-effects-and-presence-of-sound-of-uap
- Robert Powell's page at the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies: www.explorescu.org/robert-powell
- Robert's book "UFOs: A Scientist Explains What We Know (And Don't Know)": amzn.to/4fJpigG
- Robert's book "The Truth About UFOs: A Scientific Perspective": amzn.to/3V9Ny35
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AR 008 - Matthew Szydagis on the Scientific Hunt for UAP & the Smartest Science Fiction
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Guest: Matthew Szydagiz is a professor of astrophysics at the university of Albany, a founding member of UAPx, a regular on the History Channel's *The Proof is Out There*, and a member of SCU. Topics: - Thinking through the most common objections to serious UAP research. - UAPx's first research expedition to Catalina Island, where they attempt to observe UAP. - The technologies and methods UAPx...
007 - Journalist Garrett Graff on What the Government Is or Isn't Covering Up
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Guest Info: Bestselling historian and Pulitzer Prize finalist Garrett M. Graff has spent nearly two decades covering politics, technology, and national security, and is now recognized as one of the nation’s most prolific and wide-ranging journalists and historians. His award-winning work-including nine books on topics ranging from presidential campaigns, Watergate, 9/11, and cybersecurity, to D...
006 - Doug Buettner on Debunking vs Identifying True UAP & Investigations Near Skinwalker Ranch
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Guest Info: - Doug is Deputy Chief Scientist of The Acquisition Innovation Research Center. Early in his career, he created the very first aerogel used by NASA. Doug is a member of SCU. Topics: - What tech systems do we need to do a better job sorting mundane UAP from genuinely anomalous ones? - Doug walks us through the steps and tools used to definitively identify a UAP as a party balloon. - ...
005 - Chris Mellon on UAP, National Security, & Government Accountability
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Christopher Mellon is without a doubt one of the most important figures in the modern history of this subject. As Deputy Assistant Director of National Security for Security and Information Operations, he had access to America's most sensitive secrets and intelligence, and from that vantage point he determined that the UAP subject wasn't being given the serious attention that it deserved as a n...
004 - Garry Nolan on Reverse Engineering UAP, SOL Foundation, and Paradigm Shifts
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Guest Info: Garry is a professor at Stanford Medical School, where he’s an immunologist and cancer researcher. He has published over 300 research articles, holds over 50 US patents, and has founded multiple publicly-traded companies listed on the NASDAQ. He’s also co-founder, with David Grusch and Peter Skafish, of the SOL Foundation, a policy think-tank, advisory board, and fund for serious re...
003 - Julia Mossbridge on the connections between ESP, AI, UAP, and Love
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Guest Info: Julia Mossbridge earned her MA in neuroscience from UC San Francisco, and her PhD in Communication Sciences and Disorders from Northwestern University. In addition to being the founder and research director of the Mossbridge Institute. She is the co-founder and board chair of The Institute for Love and Time, an affiliate professor at University of San Diego in the Dept. of Physics a...
002 - Kevin Knuth on Studying Scientific Anomalies, Simulating Star Systems, & Possible UAP Origins
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Guest Info: Dr. Kevin Knuth is professor of astronomy and physics at University of Albany, a science advisor for UAPx, a former NASA scientist, and a member of SCU. Topics: - How do we rigorously study something we don’t have a clear conception of, like “unidentified, anomalous phenomena”? - Do UAP demand a revolution in our scientific understanding of reality itself? Kevin explains his project...
001 - Welcome to The Anomalous Review, SCU Board Members Roundtable
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Guest Info: - Larry Hancock: Larry’s education is in anthropology and history. He’s the author of multiple books dealing with cold war history, clandestine operations, and hybrid warfare. Larry is a board member of SCU. - Richard Hoffman: Richard is an operations manager and consultant for NASA, and a board member of SCU. - Robert Powell: Robert is a chemist and engineer, a UAP historian, the f...
SCU Minutes Ep5 Julia Mossbridge Ph.D.
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2024 SCU conference, “Bridging the Gap: Bringing Science, Government, and Academia Together to Better Understand UAP” from May 31 to June 2, 2024. Go here for event details - www.explorescu.org/aapc-2024 Since 2006, Dr. Mossbridge has been leading transformative science, tech, and education efforts for organizations that aim to positively disrupt existing practice moving toward a more inclusive...
SCU Minutes Ep4 Joshua Pierson, PhD
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2024 SCU conference, “Bridging the Gap: Bringing Science, Government, and Academia Together to Better Understand UAP” from May 31 to June 2, 2024. In-person tickets are selling fast for a limited number of seats at the conference site in Huntsville, Alabama. Register to attend in person. The conference will also be available via livestreaming. Register to attend online. Participants will be abl...
SCU Minutes Ep3 Peter Reali AAPC 2024
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2024 SCU conference, “Bridging the Gap: Bringing Science, Government, and Academia Together to Better Understand UAP” from May 31 to June 2, 2024. In-person tickets are selling fast for a limited number of seats at the conference site in Huntsville, Alabama. Register to attend in person. The conference will also be available via livestreaming. Register to attend online. Participants will be abl...
SCU Minutes Ep2 Robert Powell AAPC 2024
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2024 SCU conference, “Bridging the Gap: Bringing Science, Government, and Academia Together to Better Understand UAP” from May 31 to June 2, 2024. In-person tickets are selling fast for a limited number of seats at the conference site in Huntsville, Alabama. Register to attend in person. The conference will also be available via livestreaming. Register to attend online. Participants will be abl...
A Century of Observations from VASCO | Beatriz Villarroel at SCU's AAPC 2023 (Talk + Q&A)
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The Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies is thrilled to share a presentation from this year's Anomalous Aerospace Phenomena Conference featuring Dr. Beatriz Villarroel! In her talk, Dr. Villarroel will unveil intriguing results from the Vanishing & Appearing Sources during a Century of Observations (VASCO) project, focusing on mysterious multiple transients found in old photographic plates. Add...
SCU's AIAA Panel | SCU Board + Contributing Members at SCU's AAPC 2023 (Talk + Q&A)
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Three SCU members presented research papers at the recent AIAA Conference, a prestigious 33,000 member organization that is for the first time recognizing UAP as a valid topic of research . This is an important recognition of the quality of research that the SCU is conducting. There will be 3 short 10min videos of our presentations followed by an Q&A discussion of our research topics. Ralph How...
SCU's Project Panel | SCU Board + Contributing Members at SCU's AAPC 2023 (Talk + Q&A)
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SCU's Project Panel | SCU Board Contributing Members at SCU's AAPC 2023 (Talk Q&A)
The Sigma 2 Commission: A Collaborative Approach to Investigating UAP at SCU's AAPC 23 with Luc Dini
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The Sigma 2 Commission: A Collaborative Approach to Investigating UAP at SCU's AAPC 23 with Luc Dini
The New Scientific Revolution of Anomalous Phenomena | Tim Gallaudet at SCU's AAPC 2023 (Talk + Q&A)
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The New Scientific Revolution of Anomalous Phenomena | Tim Gallaudet at SCU's AAPC 2023 (Talk Q&A)
How UFO's Landed on Washington | Bryan Bender at SCU's AAPC 2023 (Full Talk + Q&A)
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How UFO's Landed on Washington | Bryan Bender at SCU's AAPC 2023 (Full Talk Q&A)
Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, Ph.D., US Navy (ret) discusses UAP and SCU's upcoming conference.
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Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, Ph.D., US Navy (ret) discusses UAP and SCU's upcoming conference.
Chris Mellon on SCU’s Anomalous Aerospace Phenomena Conference (AAPC)
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Chris Mellon on SCU’s Anomalous Aerospace Phenomena Conference (AAPC)
The 2023 Anomalous Aerospace Phenomena Conference
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The 2023 Anomalous Aerospace Phenomena Conference
2022 SCU Anomalous Aerospace Phenomena Conference Intro
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2022 SCU Anomalous Aerospace Phenomena Conference Intro
Will Astrobiologists and Ufologists Attend the Same BBQs - Dr. Ted Peters
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Will Astrobiologists and Ufologists Attend the Same BBQs - Dr. Ted Peters
The National Security Implications of Scientifically Studying UAP - Panel
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The National Security Implications of Scientifically Studying UAP - Panel
Dangerous Knowledge UFO Science and the Last Humans - Dr. Alexander Wendt
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Dangerous Knowledge UFO Science and the Last Humans - Dr. Alexander Wendt
Introduction to SCU Projects - Panel
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Introduction to SCU Projects - Panel
Research on UAP, SETI and Space Technologies at Julius Maximilians University - Dr. Hakan Kayal
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Research on UAP, SETI and Space Technologies at Julius Maximilians University - Dr. Hakan Kayal
UAP & Government The Innovation Imperative - Mr. Ryan Graves
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UAP & Government The Innovation Imperative - Mr. Ryan Graves
I would go a head and look at NUFORC's data anyway. Look at it in the same way, then compare the results. It should have similar results.
I love these podcasts, but was quite disappointed at the amount of time spent on speculation, given that the study looked at so many well documented cases and found clear patterns.
Everyone so focused on the bright white spots but never what’s around those spots. In every pic or video, you can see cube shaped objects usually very subtle although in videos they can be seen sporadically circling the bright spot almost as if they are projecting the bright object. Which would explain a lot physics wise. These orbs and spheres (the bright spots) also can be seen with an opaque cube/hexagon/square at times if you watch these videos at an extremely slow playback and simply pause the playback every couple of seconds. You’ll see what I’m saying about both the bright spot and the smaller cubes anywhere in a 360 degree area around the bright spot. Hope you take this sincerely and re-examine a few of your videos to confirm.
Re ~ 57:00 to ~ 1:08:00 discussing the "How?" I suggest that you search for "Light Pumping For An "Anti-Gravity" & Inertial Mass Reduction Effect" to find out. The answer is so completely within the "known laws of physics" as to be properly described as mundane. 👍🏻
Are there any physicists in the comments who can fact-check Powell’s statements? Specifically, his claim (around 1:03:00) that reducing the inertial mass of a space vehicle traveling at relativistic speeds would allow it to circumvent (or avoid) collisions in interstellar space. From my (non-physicist) understanding, at relativistic speeds, even a small particle’s impact could produce enough energy to vaporize parts of the spacecraft. Wouldn’t lowering the inertial mass primarily aid in maneuverability-helping the craft steer around particles-rather than directly avoiding collisions? Also, Powell mentioned that reducing inertial mass might allow a spacecraft to travel through a mountain. That seems counterintuitive, but I’d love to hear an expert’s take on whether and how that could work in principle. Thanks in advance.
This is false. You just said these were in databases. I could have wrote a program in 10 minutes to analyze this, and he says it took two years? That can't be right, unless they're incompetent.
I applaud the SCU in their effort to collate and analyze UAP data from these multiple reporting sources which have different data collection protocols and formats making for a difficult to impossible task. I would like to suggest that SCU undertake the creation of a 'best practices' data collection protocol and liaise with MUFON and similar organizations world wide in this process so that we can more robust data collection which will allow for more nuanced and detailed data analysis.
Finally someone data mined the reports! This is awesome. I suspect what is happening is some sort of space warping going on. They are not traveling the speed of light, but they travel light years distance in a few seconds. There's no sonic boom or heating up for the same reason. This could explain why some are seen, but radar doesn't detect them. Space is warped around them, you see them close but not normally at a distance. Depending on the degree of warping. But then maybe I watched too much Star Trek.
With the amount of our air traffic cluttering. the sky at all hours of the day and knowing the effect a close encounter had with that Iranian fighter. These things must be making a concerted effort to keep at a safe distance from all our aircraft.
All the investigations that have proved that these craft are at least capable of interstellar travel. And have been deemed as having a probability of near 100% of originating from another star system since the 1950”s. The reports must of been put in one of those old pneumatic capsules and conveyed into a river never to been looked at. Just like in that Simpson episode. Consensus in the USA won’t be reached until there is a craft sitting above every church, synagogue, mosque, temple, military base and football ground during the whole month of December. Until such an undeniable event all those in control of these places will continue preaching their same rhetoric maintaining the status quo.
Hey Michael what is the assessment of the mess going on now?
It was basically trying to lose the lock we had on it by going under , when that didn’t work it created a duplicate fake while the real one took of in another direction. The fake vanished the real one got away and we lost the lock we had on it , is my opinion of what I’m seeing in this video. Those are my thoughts 🛸
Overall good podcast, some of the interjections in the early portion seemed a bit much Edit: great questions at the end
I am hoping they are here to save us from ourselves and not here as spectators watching the galaxies great black comedy show.
I am hoping they are here to save us from ourselves and not here as spectators watching the galaxies great black comedy show.
It seems to me Americans with power choose to not believe their eyes because acknowledging the reality will cause their religious beliefs to collapse.
Wow, the 250,000 year ago probability fits in with the Western Australian aboriginals Dreamtime stories of the sky people. The Wadjina.
I will say it, some look like they are cruise ships, some look like tour buses, some look like fast two seat sports craft, some look like a single occupant shuttle pod, some look like terrestrial transport pod, some look like a family tourer. There is a really good chance we are our galaxies freak show a galatical laughingstock, you heard of the village idiot come see a whole planet of them.
Finally some adults are in the room all that has to happen now is to remove those that have controlled the narrative for the last 70 years
Exopolitics 👽 🔯 🌙
Nothing to see here folks, it's just swamp gas..
I don't think it's going in the water. I think its temperature changed like the jellyfish ufo and matched the temperature of the water and blended in like camouflage
We awoke from "the nothing" when we were born and will return when we die. "The nothing" is eternity. Can you imagine it? Deep anesthetic coma. If you can then you know your destiny.
Humans are natural born time travelers. Who are we when we sleep and not dreaming? When our consciousness is omitted for most of the night, we are left with a few hours of dreaming. That leaves us around 6hrs a night unconscious. We also time travel during general anesthesia. Where we "black out" for almost an hour and then experience nothing but some dreaming before we gain wakefulness. Almost a whole hour of nothingness🤣Time/existence is omitted from the observer during unconsciousness, providing them with an Instant future. And lastly a hypothetical of an astronaut going into hibernation around the earth and immediately waking up in orbit around Mars from the hibernating astronaut's perspective. The awoken hibernating astronaut would experience INSTANT TRAVEL. 1 second you are in orbit around the earth and the next second you are in orbit around Mars! We will probably need to be some kind of Cyborg to handle it.......Not saying these ideas are novel but they beg my attention.
Drug smugglers are getting very sophisticated.
I’d like to share an experience that deeply impacted me. It was in the mid-1990s when I saw something truly extraordinary, in Italy (Milan): a sphere of intense blue color moving across the sky, following a precise trajectory from southeast to northeast. The sphere was perfectly defined, with no halos or visible details on its surface, and emitted a uniform and mesmerizing glow. It made no sound, and its movement was extremely steady, as if guided by an invisible force. The color was so vivid and unique that it seemed almost 'unreal,' far more striking than anything I had ever seen before. The entire sighting lasted a few minutes, and then the sphere disappeared over the horizon, leaving me with many questions. It’s a memory I still carry with me, one that continues to make me wonder about how much there is yet to understand about the universe and the events that often elude our explanations.
Anyone here after AARO hearing (19 November)? Apparently it's a lantern or a balloon, in case you didn't know :D I'd say it's a swamp gas and we're all idiots.
Regards the frustration over loose use of the term UAP - The dual usage of UFO (and now UAP) is long established in Standard English - Everyone knows the term can be used literally or to denote nonhuman vehicles - in the latter case, as in "do you believe in UFOs?" - ie, nonhuman vehicles Crucially, please note how the term 'UAP' is defined in the Schumer Amendment: 21) UNIDENTIFIED ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA.- (A) IN GENERAL.-The term ‘‘unidentified anomalous phenomena’’ means any object operating or judged capable of operating in outer-space, the atmosphere, ocean surfaces, or undersea lacking prosaic attribution due to performance characteristics and properties not pre viously known to be achievable based upon com monly accepted physical principles. Unidentified anomalous phenomena are differentiated from both attributed and temporarily non-attributed objects by one or more of the following observables: (i) Instantaneous acceleration absent apparent inertia. (ii) Hypersonic velocity absent a thermal signature and sonic shockwave. (iii) Transmedium (such as space-to-ground and air-to-undersea) travel. (iv) Positive lift contrary to known aerodynamic principles. (v) Multispectral signature control. (vi) Physical or invasive biological effects to close observers and the environment. (B) INCLUSIONS.-The term ‘‘unidentified anomalous phenomena’’ includes what were previously described as (i) flying discs; (ii) flying saucers; (iii) unidentified aerial phenomena; (iv) unidentified flying objects (UFOs); and (v) unidentified submerged objects (USOs).
Hi Michael, Congratulations on having Mr Mellon on the show-he’s always a rewarding guest, combining sharp insights with a really engaging style of delivery. Your questions were excellent-thought-provoking and incisive. That said, I hope you’ll take this as constructive feedback: tightening up your speaking style could make your interviews even stronger. For instance, after saying you had just three more questions, your follow-up became a bit of a monologue, and it seemed like Mr Mellon grew a little restless. You’re doing great work, and small adjustments like this could take your conversations to the next level. Keep it up!
Okay…what if you gave an iPhone to an artificially intelligent biological ‘drone’ thing (aka the described grey aliens)…? …maybe they’re built to look biological, or like aliens, but they’re really ancient-human or alien-made bio robots that were built to study us and that’s why we hear about people being abducted @ night (etc…) …what if ufos that people usually spot Are just their mini scout crafts & the big mother ship is actually way under the ocean off the coast somewhere to hide…and they Are runnimg on an AI computer program So the original species that created it to study is might EVEN be dead or dying out but it keeps functioning as normal.
It looks like something came out from under the water, not split into 2
This has to be, one of the most boring and uselessly informative videos concerning UAPs etc. All I've got to show for watching and listening, is that science was analyzing an anomalous fly that buzzed or landed on their lens, Shakespeare wrote about this video many years ago, predicting that it would be "Much Ado About NOTHING!"> Space travel may need to travel at the speed of light or close as possible. But dimensional travel to and from locations within dimensions can be very easy and distance travelled would be minimal. The planet may be covered with portals that science knows nothing about. Why not try asking the aliens to appear in a location for you and explain the purpose to them of scientific observation, they may respond!
Have you guys seen Custodianfile? It’s worth a look. He’s got dozens of video anomalies where uap show up around anything man made in the air. I think he said he uses a slomo camera and IR together to capture them. At first glance you’d think “That’s a fly.”, but they show up in formations behind helis like clockwork. I’ve seen one other person to claim to have repeated his process with results but they won’t post them. I want to see the process go through the scientific process but I’m not qualified in any way.
Tremendous interview. Big fan of Matthew’s. Thanks!
Thank you Matthew and Michael 👍
UAP - 60 years ago a friend and I saw a UAP bright light go from the air to the bay. 2024 my adult daughter got a video of a red orb UAP over Puget Sound.
Thank you! Fascinating.
Fantastic talk! Im a huge fan of dr. Knuth, and can listen to him all day. Also love the great questions, and the casual cosy atmosphere. Ill be back to listen again <3
Why do y’all give this guy a platform. His argument are balloons and drones but what about cases from 40-50 plus years ago where these craft were clocked on radar going thousands of mph? This guy was literally caught lying about the Hunter Biden laptop and now he’s lying about this. I’ll be glad the day we get a whistleblower to just dump all the files so we can be done with people like this trying to debunk the inevitable
Looks like a drone?
How do you see a drone here? Where are the propellers? Also no known drones can move from air to water like this.
They can't go from air to water?
@@Natalia-q9s3z No they can't. We currently do not have that technology, but some countries are working on that right now.
@hissatsu4937 😯 then what is it. Do you think China has got that technology? I wish the governments would tell us the truth.
@@Natalia-q9s3z We can only speculate at this point. But since it's useless to do so I won't go too deep into it. Let's just say it can be something very significant. China is working on drones that in theory has these abilities seen in the video, but they are not from what we know of there yet. It's also worth noting that this phenomena is going back many years so it's unlikely that China has developed something like this even in secret.
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The mutilated orca found in Alaska makes me think the UAP beings were not living in an ocean.
Brilliant discussion, thankyou both. 🙏💚👽
Love the cat tail that popped up 29.02 behind Michael😺
what a time to be alive!
interesting discourse...
Yup just got here from watching rogan and lou
This guy is really naive. Our government claims to not have ufo programs, but time after time after time these hidden programs keep getting leaked out by whistle-blowers. Also, is he sitting there telling us that all the police officers, doctors, lawyers, presidents, commercial and military pilots, Service men and women, an entire town in Hudson Valley and Phoenix are all wrong about what they saw and that this guy knows better....even though he hasn't spoken to anyone. He brought up the report from ARRO like Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick wasn't caught in multiple lies, and his reports don't amount to anything. How do you investigate anything and not record witness testimonies. How do you give a report and get the times of days wrong, or say you weren't in a special meeting and then pictures come out that you were in fact at a meeting concerning Skin Walker Ranch. This guy didn't do any research before he came up here and made himself look silly by not knowing what he's talking about.
People have been talking about UFOS since the 40's and they are all made out to look crazy, so your point about there's no secrets in the government
Governments are themselves belatedly trying to learn the secrets from private contractors. Even technicians among private contractors might not know the origins of the materials they are working on. They do not need to. If no one knows exactly where these craft come from, what paper trail could possibly act as a smoking gun? This guy is just waffling on about nothing. And that's mincing my words.
Also, an illegal government human experimentation program involving thousands and thousands of staff and citizens operated secretly for over two decades - MKULTRA It puzzles me that Graff seems to believe himself when he says "gov can't keep secrets" when he's written several books about this very era - Church Committee happened in large part because of Watergate!