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You are right. There do seem to be a set number of floor plans that are being copied across manufacturers. We have come across a few different models like the Storyteller, but they are few and far between.

We'll see what happens when they diagnose our latest issue. All options are on the table.

You are so right, and we really do both love the Wayfarer. We just wish we could be traveling in it instead of waiting for it to be repaired.

Ha ha. You have made a perfect assessment of Rose's attitude toward this whole disaster. Dan is just hoping that her "rage" doesn't surface during the whole process. We are dealing with the disappointment for now, and we are hoping that this whole issue gets resolved quickly and with a satisfactory conclusion. We will see...

Thanks, we are hopeful that Tiffin will provide an acceptable outcome for us. Fingers crossed.

Always! We don't want to come across as too negative, but it seems we're having more issues than we should with a new RV. Thanks for your support.

It's funny you should say that. We were just watching a video about a You Tuber who made a cross-country Amtrak trip. We thought that shower looked familiar. Ha ha.

Yes, we can see where that could pose a danger. Thanks for pointing that out.

Well, we are admittedly half fast from time to time. Glad you got a laugh.

It's not an easy task finding the perfect RV, but eventually you'll find something that will work for you. Good luck.

You bring up some good points. There are certainly many logistical challenges with these smaller vans.

We can see where that wouldn't work.

Ha ha. You are right about Class B's being a bit expensive for the size. However, they are some of the best selling RV's out there so they must be in someone's budget.

I guess this is why many buy the van and build it out. These RVs have plenty of useless amenities that simply don’t need to be in an RV, like cable hookups and TVs, additional seating…showers…etc.

We agree. In the two years we had our Class B we only used the shower once, and that was just to see how it would work. We do use the television quite a bit though, as a TV and an extra laptop monitor when working.

Any salt water would have obvious corrosion almost immediately.

Since we recorded this before the two recent hurricanes went through, we can say pretty confidently that this unit wasn't damaged by those. It is a good idea to have an RV inspection, which should pretty easily find water damage of that magnitude. On a side note, most of the flooding Florida is seeing in the Orlando and Deland/Daytona areas since Hurricane Milton is fresh water from the rainfall. Honestly, any flooding is bad.

Thanks for providing us with the information about the over-tightened lights. We will definitely speak to them about that. As far as the tow package, we went with the Blue Ox tow bar and the Patriot braking system. It was not cheap, but we heard good things about the quality, and we have been happy with it thus far. We plan in doing a video showing our tow set up as soon as we get our RV back. Stay tuned...

Yes, they seem to get more than their share of complaints. Thanks for posting the information about California laws. That's very helpful. We have seen Liz Amazing's videos, and we may reach out of it comes to that. However, we have found Tiffin to be very accommodating and responsive thus far. Thanks.

We went that route when we bought our Midwest Automotive American Coach Patriot. It was a bit more expensive, but we had fewer issues. Your plan seems like a solid one. Thank you.

As a matter of fact, we have an upcoming video where we look at two Ford Class B's from Pleasure Way. They are really nice. Stay tuned...

@@halffasttravelers2702 thank you so much. Love u 2 as a team.

Thanks.

We really like the floor plan in the Gemini 23TW, but the KB is nice as well.

@@halffasttravelers2702 the advantage of the kb is you can use without using the slide at all, which is useful in cities or short stops where you don’t want to install stabilizer. Secondly, thé passthrough storage allow putting a bigger electrical system, either a powerstation like bluetti ac200L and extra batteries, dc-dc alternator module or d40 house battery 48v -12v charger, or a full victron system. It is good also for table, chairs, any long item. It is more lightweight so you have more cargo capacity which is useful on such transit chassis limited to 11000 lbs. Occc is 1577 lbs and with generator removal it is another 121 lbs that is increasing the occc. It is also capable to host a Cinderella incinerator toilet by adding a second 40 lbs propane tank at the place of the generator. With that you can remove the black tank. This is an extreme customization but it is faisable and it would save ton of water, and avoid dump station to empty the black tank. This are idea of usage of a 24kb.

Wow, thanks for posting this great information on some of the customization that can be done to enhance the effectiveness of these RV systems. We have considered some type of compost toilet in the past, but we never got around to making the swap. We rarely use the generator, so removal is a great option to increase OCCC. We appreciate your input.

@@halffasttravelers2702 if you search a company capable to upgrade the electrical systems, just look at mytsolar, they have the experience in the thor compass 23TW already. The 24kb with the passthrough is even more simpler. They can install a full victron systems (16500$ with installation) -3 x 330ah = 990ah victron batteries -3000 plus 12v victron inverter -all victron lynx distributor, cerbo gx and monitor 7 inch - soft start a/c -4 x 250 ony rich solar panel with wiring. -dc-dc alternator charger orion. With that you can run everything in the coach My Bluetti solution is far less expensive but still capable. The difference is powerstation does not have self heating batteries so you cannot charge under 5C commonly. Victron system is capable to heat the battery before starting the charging. Discharging is less an issue. An incinerator toilet works with propane and a very few watts electricity ( for the basic running, button) it uses 130g to 180g of propane per incineration and you have a 40 lbs bottle that could be put at the place of the generator i think (need to be verified but highly probable as the generator is big. It uses special paper cheap (10$ for 500) to put in the toilet. The incineration start after each usage but can be stops in the middle by another person and will restart afterwards. The result is ash totally safe that can even be use for a tree root. The boil is easily washable. There is a connection for the propane bottle and an exhaust ti be installed up to the roof. The result odor is very mild like the odor of a candle. So it is not detectable by neighbors. The advantage is the economy on the water freah water. The system does not use at all water which can be used solely for dishes, showers. The coach also does not need black tank.

More great information. Thanks for taking the time to post this.

We can speak from experience. We had two issues with ours. The inverter went which is a common problem, and the Mercedes Fresco windows got out of adjustment and developed leaks. We considered ourselves lucky that's all we had to deal with over two years.

Yeah, Tampa got extremely lucky during Milton, and they didn't get the storm surge they were fearing. There was some localized flooding, but it was mostly from the massive amount of rainfall the area received. As far as buying used, we would definitely consider it moving forward.

Thank you!

There are definitely advantages to both travel strategies. We grappled with the numbers prior to our first purchase, and it was certainly close. In the end, we just wanted to experience the RV lifestyle, and we haven't regretted it despite our issues.

Thanks, we appreciate the support.

Yes, we do prefer the Mercedes, but there is something to be said for the lower pricing. Dan is also a big fan of the 4-wheel drive units.

@halffasttravelers2702 it's ford transit or nothing for me. Just a personal choice. And I hate diesel and having to deal with DEF

We are going to be looking at two Transit Class B's from Pleasure Way in an upcoming video. We think you're going to like them.

We hope you don't get too discouraged. RVing has a lot of positive sides. You just need to make sure you do your homework prior to your purchase which you seem to be doing. Kudos to you. We wish you the best of luck.

You make some great points. We especially like the "$100,000 tent" comparison. Class B vans aren't for everyone, but for those who like the camping type of experience they could be just the right RV. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. We appreciate it.

We would certainly agree if the driver were the one holding the camera and filming. In this case we see it as no different than the driver having a conversation with the passengers. However, we do respect your opinion, but do ask that you keep your criticism constructive if possible. Thanks.

Because you’re an idiot. Do you hear yourself? There’s a reason why these laws are written in sensible states. You can’t even keep your eyes on the road. Watch your own video!

Listen, you can’t keep your eyes on the road. Look at your own video. Civil? Is it civil to cause an accident and possibly maim or injure someone else? I’m shaking my head at you being too self centered to pull over for a few minutes.

The price is certainly a topic for scrutiny, but we will say that they pack a lot of technology in these RVs.

Thank you for the well wishes and for sharing your story. We will definitely reach out if we decide to head to Red Bay at some point. Happy Travels!

Thanks. In all fairness, they were in the process of trying to get the hundreds of RVs they were servicing picked up before the storm. To say they were busy would be an understatement. Despite that, they took the time to ensure we were taken care of an we appreciate it. Thanks for the support.

You ask some great questions, and we'll be expecting those answers as we continue with this saga. We do believe that water intrusion can be mitigated if done correctly, and we will be ensuring that everything is done to our standards prior to our February trip. We do feel that directing anger at people who we believe are doing everything they can to assist us is a waste of energy. We're going to try to be positive and optimistic as long as we can. Thanks for the post.

@@halffasttravelers2702 I’m rooting for you both. I always enjoy your trips. You can still be nice but that eventually wears thin. I had to get somewhat pushy when we had our issues. My husband and I are retired LEO. Maybe one day our travels will cross. Wishing you all the luck 🍀 that you have all the issues resolved correctly. 🙏🙏🙏

Dan is retired LEO as well, so he is very used to dealing with adversity and a variety of personalities. We are hoping the interactions and experiences don't reach a point where he will have to take a "less understanding" stance. So far though, we have been treated with respect and understanding so we have to be happy with that, for now. Thanks again.

@@halffasttravelers2702 for some reason I had an inclination that he was LEO. Tell him we thank him for his service. I really hope you have your issues resolved. Keep posting your videos.

Thanks to you both as well. Happy Travels!!

While we do recommend an inspection prior to purchase, we are convinced the two issue we have probably occurred after we left the dealership. Having said that, all options are on the table.

We have heard many good things about the facility at Red Bay, and we did offer to drive the coach to Alabama. However, our Tiffin rep has faith in La Mesa's ability to make the repair so we are going with that recommendation, for now. Thanks for the information.

We are reasonably sure the issues we have had occurred after purchase, but we definitely do recommend a pre-purchase inspection.

That is a fair assessment based upon the videos that we have seen online. However, please keep in mind that there are many RV acquisitions that do not result in these disastrous outcomes. One of our previous commenters referred to an RV purchase as a "roll of the dice" that you will get a good one. This is true of any large purchase. Purchasers need to conduct a risk vs. reward assessment prior to making such a large investment. Thanks for your comment.

It's not our intention to strong-arm Tiffin, but we do agree that all RV manufacturers should do whatever they can to keep their customers happy. It's just good business practice, and will result in long-term success. Thanks.

We appreciate the support. We're watching the storm closely. It looks like we are going to be OK down south, but it looks like Fort Myers and the west coast are in for another tough time. We're hoping the RV is safe, but that concern pales in comparison to what the people in the storm's path will be going through. We're hoping for the best outcome. Thanks.

Thanks, we really appreciate everything Greg is doing for us as well. We are so jealous you get to enjoy a beautiful New York Fall Season. Enjoy!!

Thanks.

@@larrygray1557 , you can always swap the sofa. There is a great Amish store in Shipshewana that makes very comfortable quality recliners for RVs. We had the couch swapped out in our last RV, a Class C Winnebago View.

@@karinwest919 True, and thanks...but should have specified not the freestanding sofa/recliner but the sofa position of a murphy bed unit. That would require a re-design and re-upholstery. If your View is the 24D will know what talking about with the rigid foam and aggressive, more upright, back angle impacting comfort. While that can be corrected, what ruled out the View (and Entegra/Jayco) was shrinking the bathroom width as they reduced Tiffin's 36" wide shower to 32" which also sets the bathroom wall width, causing knees to hit the wall when sitting on the toilet. Thor and the new Grand Design have adopted the Mercedes 4500 chassis which is a non-starter. It drops towing from 4220lbs in the 3500 chassis to 3150lbs in the 4500 - which most people don't know, and it certainly isn't in marketing material.

Thank you for bring up the towing restrictions on the 4500 chassis. In our review of the new Grand Design Lineage, we forgot to point that out. That is a huge difference, and you won't find that information in the sales brochures. Good luck with you RV purchase. We will definitely be attending the Tampa show this, and if you see us please come say hi. Happy Travels!

Safety First!

We are happy you found the right RV. Sometimes, simple is the best way to go. Happy Travels!

We should be OK down south, but it looks like La Mesa may be in for some pretty strong winds. We are counting our blessings and keeping our fingers crossed. Good luck to you and your family. We wish you well.