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That is a hilariously huge army

@@lanedelong3355 just recounted and its 272 :D 1x Flesh Shaper 6x20 Carnivores 2x10 Hounds 1x5 Hounds 3x12 Farstalkers 6x10 Strike Squad 3x10 Pathfinders 2000pts exactly

I just meant the combined attacks from shooting in rapid fire range plus the close combat attacks in melee.

That is quite a bit of cult!

I would love to see some knarlocs. The Kroot really need a big unit like that to function as a stand alone army.

Knarloc, big and small, are in legend units.

It appears you’ve been training your whole life for this question.

I think the plus one to hit is generally more useful, but the extra OC is huge at certain moments.

I agree. I even have a chimera that I painted up in inquisition black and red with inquisitorial symbols back in 7th Ed when inquisition could take them. I’d love to use it if I could put breachers in it.

@@lanedelong3355 I bought 4 and heavily converted them for this army but then I noticed only the inquisitorial henchmen hop in them smh

Why don't you play inquisitorial henchmen for chimeras?

@@kevinr8207 they are good a unit but I went full story mode and got 90 arbites lol. I do think it kinda sucks Agents get two transports and one of them is exclusive to one unit in whole army (this goes for the immolator as well).

@@ratri4969 yes and in full story arbites can be inquisitorial agents and inquisitors.

We're here for you, brah!

Luckily it's uncomplicated so as far as bow no surgery just medication but I am still miserable. I returned to work because I can sit but man it's rough.

Thanks! I just used citadel Contrast to get them painted up quickly. I used gryph-hound orange for the body, guilliman flesh for the wings and skeleton horde for the nails/claws.

There is some cool stuff with immortals and szerras but for the most part yeah. I have found success with spyders and scarabs with spyders being my lynch pin for most builds but I miss my centipedes.

KKRROOOOOOOOTT!!!

If I could run 250 I probably would. Though the hounds are more points per model than Carnivores.

I'm glad he didn't near 150 models is enough lol

Thanks! Kroot are deceptively durable and can take a while to shift those 20-man bricks.

They definitely have some playing gunline armies. Enough tricks to keep them in the game.

Very nice of you to say, I do appreciate it!

There is a lot of killing out of agents. Boosting character with breacher rule is one of my favorite pieces of tech so far.

Next week they will be back!

Imperial agents has been a challenge and I enjoy playing challenging armies because when I get back to stronger books things feel fresh and better...I'm looking forward to a build if been dabaling with for a bit I think you will enjoy

Inquisitors can embark in any transport they body guard unit can embark into but that's doesn't matter for this Because the subdictor models can't gain the inquisitor keyword. Yes the unit has the inquisitor key word, but the Chimera looks at the keywords on the model not the unit

@@zacharyjacobs2667 "While this model is leading a unit, it can embark within any transportthat its bodyguard unit can embark in" reads like Inquisitor + B-Guard can go in chimera.

@@cptsahal5868 the inquisitor can embark into almost any transport but the breachers don't have the right keywords to embark in a chimera

The inquisitor ability does not give the breachers the ability to embark into any transport

@@zacharyjacobs2667 breachers can. cause' the inquisitor can only embark "when leading a unit"

It would really just be more fun if you could put breachers or subductors in the chimeras.

Just keep in mind RAW right now the chimera can only hold inquisitorial agents and inquisitor models...the faction is agents of the Imperium. Chimera are super limited unit a data slate update changes it and opens them up a little to other guardsman like units

No no no....wrong website lol

Yeah the OC 8 combined with 12” move makes them great for stealing objectives.

Glad you liked it!

Issue with chimera...the can only transport imperial agents and inquisitor models....the army faction is agents of imperium so until they fix the chimera transport capacity breachers can't go in

@@timmsnation723 I don't believe any legit T.O. wouldn't let you run the Chimeras. In fact I watched a streamed event where the Agents player ran a bunch of them. It's obviously just a mistake. Doubtful the Deathwatch will be allowed in.

@TLouie2 and remember how everyone though the grand master for GK once per game CP reduction was an oversite...many data slates later still has not change...if GW fixes it and allows other units then I will definetly be looking at them...right now rules as written they cannot.

@@TLouie2 DJ and Laine are right you know. GW already glossed over it for one balance dataslate. And they only fixed the Rhinos via erratta. I doubt they'll gloss over such a huge mistake as assigning a transport as an exclusive company car for Inquisitor agents and the Inquisitor really is quite a restriction on amy transport. It's so sad that our transports aside from the Rhino are assigned to only a specific unit rather then leaving them as optional transports. The rhino could have been a defensive transport, the Chimera for melta hijinks and then the immolator for to just boost up some small fire AP-1 weapons. But nope...we don't get that unless we're fleet and spend a CP on a voidfarer unit. You can't use a Chimera for much transporting and play like a weaker Baal Predator tank. The Immolator....might as well not take it. We don't have the AP to make use of its ignores cover ability and we have it in other methods for the extra AP. Best choice is to go Chimera for some cheeky melta/flamer rushes. (Fyi DJ try it.) Or just stack an inquisitor and a priest in there so flamer spam. It can be fun but extremely limited.

Only for allies. In just Agents they are still 85

If you’re not familiar with what they do, the Agents can surprise some opponents.

Correct and if you look at each end of the line there are models forming a triangle to make this legal

So first j place 2 models little over 9 inch away from table edge in no mans....so the "left " side is covered...next place a model within 2 of both of those models c on meeting the triangle and making it so all three models are in coherency with one another (each model within 2 inches of 2 models) Now we make the line across where each model is within 2 of the model behind it and infront satisfying the 2 model within 2 inch condition going across. Finally we cap it off the same as we began by placing 2 models within 2 of the last in the line as well as each other making another little triangle. Hope this helps if j do this again ill try to show a little more detail with models

@@timmsnation723 yeah, you're right. For some reason my brain was thinking the guys down the line were not in coherency of 2 models. Oups!! Thanks for the reply

@nickp.3806 no problem glad to help...it's not seen regularly on front line but because I can pick them up and get them out it's nice to push back any infiltrators

probably too expensive. It's a 100 points for a 5 model unit with 1W each. No invul T3 3+ save. Really easy to get rid of that for a 100 point gap.

@@Psykroids10 models for 100 pts. Good weapons with sticky objectives?

Good effort 👊 taking mine to Coventry super major next weekend, 8 games over 3 days 🤣

I’m going to run them eventually as allies to imperial knights so the immolators let the knights ignore cover.

I appreciate you and the support you give to the channel...thank you!

Deepstriking has its limitations like the melta being out of melta range and the demolition charges being out of their 6” range. In this game, the rhinos definitely gave them the mobility to get close and do work. They wrecked Marneus’ squad.

I am loving rhinos. Like Lane said it makes it so i can get much closer to do damage. Also they provide a wall to protect me from stray shooting after disembarking. All around though yes I love the rhinos over deepstrike. Also one other thing to toss in there is using deepstrike with a character cost 2 of the 3 choices from the enhancement. Write now I like the triple voidsmen for secondaries 160 points for them with enhancement ove 190 on terminators...value

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Im glad you said this because it's a question almost worth doing a video on, are agents competitive...I don't feel it's as simple as a yes or no answer. I do feel the Agents are competitive HOWEVER there are some glaring problems the biggest being how unforgiving the army is. In the books you really do have all the tools to compete against most faction, as other have stated Agents secondary game is one of the strongest. The issue is other armies can recover from missplays or mistakes that Agents cannot so in the vacuum of a 2:30 min (3hr) game you may bit have the time to truly evaluate the scenarios fast enough to make the right call. Some units require so much future sight it becomes difficult to manage. All of that get wrapped up too with a nice little bo I like to call "the game of dice" even if you get TONS of reps and call every scenario perfect, one bad turn of dice or good for your opponent can be more game breaking for this book then others. So for an RTT 3 games Saturday event I can see Agents going 3-0 and winning since they do very very well scoring....but a 5 or more round GT or major may be a little to difficult at this current time without a couple tweaks simply because of dice making a situation that you can't play out of in this book....let me know your thoughts but that's kinda where I'm at... P.S. dosent mean I'm not going tk keel trying tk make it happen lol...did it with GK when everyone though they where trash right on release of 10th so I'm defiently someone who enjoys the punishment

​@@timmsnation723it will be harder than GK this time, since you will have more models to move, and the clock will be much more difficult to manage. Just think about it: How much time does it take you to infiltrate the RT unit ?

@igorpinchaud1410 not long at all but I also come with 7 templates...that deployment took me under a min...first placed 9 inch template so j knew where to start then I use my 2 inch template to make the line across

I'll say that Imperial Agents feels like a stronger army with more play than I'm used to. But I'm a Deathwatch player, so bringing one of the worst armies in the game is nothing new to me.

@@timmsnation723 Agents have a very high skill ceiling as well.

Jokes on you....5 kids my phone stays on silent to not wake the babies

But seriously I need Lane as my personal translator...he understands my gibberish and translates it into real words.

Redeploy happens before determining who goes first...but since I rolled a 1 and for ease of recording I just declared j would pick up the breachers with the RT attached and put them into strategic....then we rolled to see who goes first...sorry if that wasn't clear

I went back a checked it was quick but if you go back i did declare i would be picking up the unit at center. You are 100 percent correct in the redeploy happens before determining who goes first but just to make it a little easier on the video and editing we went directly to "who goes first" knowing the only unit to get moved was the breachers and theh where going to strategic.

@timmsnation723 keep up the good work. I like how you are really trying to give the agents love

I love the puzzle to make it work....thank you for the support and detailed discussions

@timmsnation723 That is what I love about this army. It needs to play differently, and each game is a fun challenge. I stopped playing my secondary army Sisters after that codex. Such a fire and forget army now

It did! It really did!

Death Match to Watch

LET THEM FIGHT

I mean, it’s got SOME paint on it.

@@lanedelong3355 but does it have stealth?

I know right?!?! Lane needs to get his stuff painted man the nerve of this guy lol

@@timmsnation723 shame this man! SHAME HIM! Nah at least it's not grey ya know?

@@Psykroidsmy stuff is not grey...it's dirty white

Unfortunately, I didn’t play them very well in this week’s game.

It is but I think your forgetting how much board coverage we can give up into assault based list. The plague marines would have no issue using the subductors to catapult forward and even with a 4++ there not going tk make it that long. The initial issue was the list my plan was to try to play heavy into secondary control but couldn't hold enough of the board (still have to drop outside of 9 of those enemy units in combat) all in all there wasn't enough staying power or ability to clear even a flank like DeathWatch bring. If you go back in time I played ad mech into iron hands and locked Lane in his deployment for 3 turns off infiltrate strats so I'm familiar with it. The issue is the Death Guard had too much combat to hold in place and issue I can see with space wolves too. My conclusion from it all which I hope you can see too with this is that I need the DeathWatch in the list. There needs to be something that can hit fast and clear and area or cause my opponent some disruption to be able to start opening holes for units....take a look at the next battle report and you'll see what I'm talking about.

@timmsnation723 You can give up a lot of board, that's why you have to maneuver If you rush your models in extended line (you're covering almost a 30" spread) within 1 inch of the OP, they can only move 1"inch forward and can't move around you. In the movement, they can move laterally or rear word. Then, they shoot through the unit or charge the 1 inch forward. No consolidate as they w9nt be within 3" to obj You can effectively keep that at 1" movement max outside of there deployment zone for 2 turns.

@timmsnation723 Turn 2, and you advance forward with another line advancing. Once again, the OP movement is determined by the space you give them. Would roughly be a max of 8" out of their deployment zone. This will.once again keep.them off the obj for turn 2. Alternatively, you can ds an line formation unit 9 away from their models once again, making their max movement that turn to 9" (move+charge)in a 30" frontage. But with advancing with 2 more units, you most likely can lessen that to 6"

@timmsnation723 You don't need to hold it. You keep sacrificing waves. Our infiltrate game is a lot more durable and cheaper then other armies.

​@timmsnation723 Any other point you are forgetting is how you can control your OP through their charge. If you are close, say 3 inches. And you are deployed as a single file line formation you hope the roll a 12. Because they will have to adopt a line formation as the rule is the charging models must attempt to get into base contact within the allowed movement.. This will prevent other units from charging you line screen unit and shut down. There charge movement.

Would this be an "Arrested Development"

Yeah the Corvus are so cool but I can’t justify playing them at 180 points. I have two and I haven’t used the since 8th edition.

I have to agree with Lane 180 is a tough sell

@@timmsnation723 Absolutely! But it is cool looking modell and maybe one day flyers will be a thing again. Plans are to swap for subductors (@timm the shield guys😉) and a rhino once they got painted. It will be interesting how points will develop in next MFM as it was obvious that yesterday's drop was too early for GW.

You made that up.

Battleline is a keyword, that doesn't change.

No I didn't if you look at the rules commentary under battleline if... it says certain models only gain "battleline" in certain detachments. Armigers only gain the keyword on the noble lance detachment. So they can't redeploy under the void fairer keywords.

@@izzydunnyet Armigers just have the Battleline keyword right there in the index; they don't gain it.

@@auisce ok, they made a point when pariah nexus dropped to say they gain battleline in the detachment for use in secondaries. If they always have it then I'll drop Canis Rex and add the armigers back into my agents list. Thanks