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Excellent video, I asked the question about timing in your previous video about how characters are generic and we should focus on the game instead of character. Subscribed ❤

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Frames, ranges, dmg and ch/heat properties are prone to buffs/nerfs. So we don't really know if he's going to be strong/weak, once ppl lab him and learn to play him we might expect both outcomes. Or neither. He seems balanced in many aspects and his gameplay reminds me of Guilty Gear Strive Nago gameplay. You have space control, some risky mixups and weaker poking. Strong dmg too. Very unorthodox of Tekken devs to add a character with such strong space control. Tekken devs like small Tekken more than they like big Tekken.

This video still remains true to this day, if you’re bad at fundamentals and general poking you will struggle against Clive.

U sound like ltg's nerd impersonation

Steve who?

The video i needed

disappointing methodology

Nice video I like this type of tips! 🧐☺️☺️☺️

love your stuff

Steve Jabs, sounds familiar 🍏

Opponent Time is a too generic term can you kindly example what opponent timing entails? Somthing like whether he is quick to take his turn once you go in negative, does he attacks even when you are in plus etc?

Absolutely amazing. Another winner tutorial!! I owe you getting to blue ranks with Bryan in a few weeks vs being stuck in mighty ruler since about 2 months after the game came out. Thank you again and keep up the great work!!

Ayee welcome back to the scene bro

You have great content.

No ckive ever rematches my Bryan, and i'm not that good at Bryan

He may not have good small tekken but his big tekken more than makes up for it. Add in his installs and he can easily come back from most situations.

i just discovered your chanel big up good video and thanks for begin here c:

Yea because tekken 8 is homogeneous, that’s why everyone can play everyone now. Back in tekken 7 you weren’t seeing everyone with a dragonuv or Steve.

I can't help but feel like you really downplayed just how cancer this character really is. It's already known that F 1+2 is literally safe and hits on range 3, so how exactly does any character close that distance if they're all going to get clipped by a move that hits them from almost full screen, activates heat, activates a heat rushdown that can be combo-ed, and is a pseudo-homing. Second, his Phoenix stance into the mid-mid option is safe. That, partnered with a low poke and a hellsweep option boils down all his unsafe options in phoenix stance to be a mixup. His running 2 having horrendous frames is completely understandable, since he shouldn't rely on that move in the first place. Yeah it puts him into phoenix, and yes it's incredibly linear, but it also covers almost the whole screen. If it does hit, then onto a mixup he goes yet again. If Clive can cycle between a +14 into mixup and a safe heat activating almost homing mid-mid move with BOTH of them hitting at range 3, then he's simply broken and disrupting the game. I haven't even mentioned his almost range 3 hitting powercrush yet. His whole kit doesn't even revolve around hitting and playing at mid range, because mid-range gameplay is Bryan Fury. He gets punished for mistakes with spacing and being stepped. This character doesn't get punished for fuck all. I really can't respect anyone who plays this dog ass character.

Your caption on the vid tab says it all. I have been saying this ever since Day 1. When I saw what AK and Shadow could do with Shaheen and Claudio in the tourneys, that further confired it. Tekken 8 is a 3D fighter with the aggressive mechanics of a 2D fighter. Granted, there are some characters tools in certain areas that work out better than others, BUT overall, EVERYONE in T8 can be aggressively OP and apply crazy pressure. Once you learn the fundamentals and mechanics of T8, you have already won more than half the battle. Once the T8 community really understands and gets this, there are going to be many more characters getting love and play time and not just the same Top 7. Great video!

This video is really helpful for me since my main isn't in Tekken 8 yet (Armor King) so I hop around a lot of characters. Really helpful to think of the game as interactions instead of character specifics 👍

okay but i want to ewhf my opp to death any advice on that one mr fundamentals

I was legit thinking about doing this, thanks !

So your Mathematical Tierlist is based on the perfomance of individuals?

So my take away from this is #buffPaul

Mathematical tier list would be analyzing every move, it’s properties, and damage output both individual moves and combos, tracking, sidestep,etc… then you’d have real mathematical tier list.

The problem with Clive isn't that he's busted. He's strong but not OP, he's just CRAZY annoying. F1+2, B1+2, strings into PHX or just rawdog PHX are frustrating to play against. On top of that, he's the new kid on the block, so EVERYONE is playing this obnoxious ass character and people get tilted.

Dragunov now is Low tier char 😢 he is very linear

Thanks man! Clive has been ABSOLUTELY cooking me when I go against him. I’ve only ever beaten him with luck or if the opponent is very predictable, especially in the lower ranks. This will really help

I was skeptical of this at first blush (and still am, somewhat, but I'm not a data scientist), but I appreciate that you not only explained your methodology but also emphasized the viewer's responsibility to interpret, not merely regurgitate, the results. Personally, I'm curious to know how much this metric of character strength is skewed by this being the first year of Tekken 8. It is clear that the game is markedly different from end-stage T7 and I suspect that some pros adapted quickly and some did not. That notion, combined with a seeming general reluctance for players to swap characters, does compel me to ask if some characters are tiered lower than they "should be" in this metric because their main pilots did not adapt well to T8 or chose to pilot a perceived stronger character. Essentially, my hypothesis is character strength may not be the only factor influencing this metric. But I lack the expertise to investigate that, so that's just me spitballing. Regardless, thanks for the interesting video!

Yeah, no. This tier list is completely wrong and useless.

awesome ❤

your point system makes no sense when a lot of pros use multiple characters but if your applying the points equally even though they did not use those characters equally ie perhaps they picked hwoarang 9 times out of 10 but used shaheen 1 time out of those ten it makes zero sense to apply the points equally this is a complete waste of time.

So for example, if two hwoarangs placed at 90th and 100th, that could mean that Hwoarang is a better character than the character who won the tournament? I think your point system is a little questionable, tbh.

You should make a list post patch 1.05 since the current chars in no way reflect pre 1.05.

Not a tier list. It's a pick chart for TWT.

super cool video, ty! This confirms Yoshi needs buffs

Aren't the points completely dependant on character usage? You could factor in the character usage to place the points on a curve to how much the character is used.

Surprised that Lee is higher than Yoshimitsu and Kazuya. Which tournament has he won outside of Hadouken Fight Festival?

I apologize for the audio issues and inconsistent video quality. I was doing as much as I could to fix it but couldn't get in completely done in time for the end of the year. But, I 100% learned form this and will make sure to do a lot better for Season 2! Make sure to check the description below for timestamps and other important info! Thanks for watching!

You should go sit with themainmanshill and shillX

You're crazy. He absolutely OP.

I literally fought Clive one time. I never see him lol for whatever reason. People are probably still ranking him up.

Nice downplay

I think an obvious elephant is not addressed: his power crush as keepout. You can punish it if it is spammed, but when it is used defensively with the right timing, Clive will break your poke strings and then you're miles away from Clive with lots of HP lost. So poking against Clive carries a great inherent risk.

no Ling huh?

4:29 he can just do the 2 option from the stance by itself. Which is safe on block and knockdowns on CH.

If you trying to play "small Tekken" with Clive, you playing Clive wrong. 😂 And on the hands of a good player, good luck getting in. Part of the reason people put Asuka so low on the tier list is because she has to be so close to the opponent to be effective. Never underestimate the power of RANGE in a fighting game with little to no zoning. If he had a bunch of safe pokes AND the best range in the game, he'd be top of S tier. Making his pokes unsafe (some should even be less advantage on block, because minus nine/ten doesn't get you a good punish anyway) was smart on the devs part to NOT make him OP. But he's still very strong. Very far from mid.

Just because somebody has counterplay doesn't mean they are mid. He's top ten imo ESPECIALLY in the right hands. He's already won a tournament and there are SO many people that have gotten him to GoD already. Dude isn't invincible, but mid is downplaying.