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Average Joe's Library
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Hello Average Joe readers! This challenge is to talk about all kinds of books in an average Joe manner. What does that mean? Well were going go talk about fantasy, sci-fi, mystery, thriller, and other books for general enjoyment for your average reader. Im not an English professor so I won't bore you with grammatical concepts, let just talk about the characters, who we like who we don't like. If there is some kick ass action, a great mystery with great twists and possibly some other deeper meanings and concepts.
I enjoy a variety of reading and also like to pick up lesser known books and debut novels as well.
So pull up a chair, grab a drink and let's have a chat in an Average Joes Library.
I enjoy a variety of reading and also like to pick up lesser known books and debut novels as well.
So pull up a chair, grab a drink and let's have a chat in an Average Joes Library.
How Much Range Does The LitRPG Sub-Genre Have?
I have really gotten into the LitRPG sub genre but I wanted to dive deeper to the ranges that the sub genre has. To me every genre is on a continuum of internal vs external focused. So what does that look like in LitRPG?
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I& read ShipCore, amazon advertises it as a LitRPG, but some reviews say its tagged wrong and it isn't, dont care whats true, I& like it anyway. The Survival Sci-Fi is pretty fun. Now I&am here to Nice LitRPG for later, I& kinda got a ton of Manhwa and Manga on the readlist still.
@@Juno101 I like that it’s on kindle unlimited.. I know you’re not supposed to judge a book by its cover but the cartoon covers makes me think it’s for younger audiences?
The LitRPG in LitRPG ebooks, I almost always skip, as it doesn't add to the book. A very well written series that you may like is the "The Stork Tower Book". You may like the Bolo stories by Keith Laumer and other writers. Think of them as pre LitRPG, a lot of them are only paperback books
A lot of fantasy and also in Japanese anime going way back the author develops a sort of game system or rules for the magic or sci fi elements introduced. Brandon Sanderson does this for all of his novels. I pretty much ignore it and just pay attention to the story and it doesn't bother me. To be honest, I don't know why some authors feel the need to introduce these systems let alone explain them to the reader but maybe some people really like it. But I really really like Brandon Sanderson's novels notwithstanding. I am very curious about this genre.
0:25: The thing is that it's starting to get a saturated sub-genre, so I don't want to get sucked into a series, I'm trying to find one that really resonates. But starting too many series is also a problem of course. But maybe I'll get lucky. And you have to at least read/listed to the first book in a series, well, if it ain't awful of course. But LitRPG's are the pinnacle of escapism, and I'm really enjoying it. Well, the last one I started gets into the complexity of politics, so it's not escapist enough for me, lol. 1:00: So by documenting a playthrough of Might and Magic 6 (the roleplaying game from 98) on a forum was basically me writing a LitRPG, lol. I guess, without explaining any lore or world-building, as it's well-known on that forum.
Im currently trying to build a world to play a cultivation ttrpg based on this
Why is no one talking about The Wandering Inn? It’s mega huge.
it's slow
So far the only one I’m listening to is my vampire system and I’m super addicted to
They clean bc they think the world is safe and they wanna show everyone
Unintended cultivator it's not really a litRPG but I guarantee it is an awesome series The way it's written is if you're reading it you can like really become the character and feel what he feels and I just think it's awesome I've read the series like three times while waiting on books from different series to come out
I've been reading litRPG books for like 6-7 years I'm disabled so there's not much I can do besides reading and it's pretty much all I do so I've read thousands of books I'm going to give you a couple suggestions on new series to read you should try a immortal drunkard and unintended cultivator unintended cultivator isn't really a lit RPG but it's such a good series that I've read it two or three different times while I'm waiting on other books to come out he who fights with monsters is one of my all-time favorites Jason is a funny ass dude immortal drunkard comes out with new books like every two to three months if that instead of waiting like five or six months for new books to come out give those books I recommended a read I guarantee you'll like them
you have to read Primal Hunter
I am actually 4 books through PH and I reviewed it as "Costco Defiance of of the fall".. I like a lot about it but the protagonist is awfully written. he is my biggest gripe.
I’m impressed with the idea, but there’s something annoying me. I’ve read 10 synopsis and they all start the same. It was a dumb premise to begin with. Lame stories start with x getting sucked into a video game. Imagine if FF7, Chrono Trigger, and Breath of Fire started this way. Only one rpg started that way. One of the Ultimate games. It’s a dumb premise. If You’re super talented and about to start one of these, try being super original too. I haven’t read one and won’t, until it’s fantasy or JRPG and starts in its own world! Wait. One more thing. Do you know why I never found the same first page in every fantasy book when I went into a book store 10 years ago? Because no person should let that happen. And this: people are creative.
Ive probably dabbled into 10 or so of these series and I dont think a single one of them have someone being sucked into a video game. There are definitely those series out there. More often what happens is earth being integrated into a larger universe run but this leveling like system, or portal fantasy where people are sucked from our world into their world. There are still plenty of commonalities with some but plenty of them have enough creativity. Id say reading a synopsis never does a story justice and maybe actually read one before you fully judge?
@@AverageJoesLibrary Like I said I’ll wait for JRPG or original fantasy. I personally believe any literal hit would be like Hobbit, or Chrono Trigger, with It’s own plot. The spin you just put on it is the same thing. There is a difference between a premise and a writing prompt. I’m sure some are good like West World or Cross Code. And I’m sure a few hits with this prompt impressed people. But for art’s sake and creativities sake that’s no reason to start every book in any genre the same. If someone can point out an original work I’ll look into it.
It’s more of OP MC side to lit rpg. But i can’t deny that the leveling system is so prestigious. Reminds me of kel kade books in a way. I love it.
after reading a lot more LitRPG, there are way more series that have an OP MC that things come way to easy and fast. Zach actually feels like he struggles and grinds and at least they make fun of his high luck.
My favorite fantasy series. It doesn't hold your hand, there isn't an oversimplified good vs evil, the magic is mysterious AND the "limited first person" style is refreshingly odd. That being said, I understand why some might get confused or lose interest if they can't get used to it.
Beware of chicken!
LitRPG is the Mills and Boon of of the Fantasy/ SF genre…
LitRPG are very fun to read, however, after reading quite a LOT of them I have found they have some increasingly poor tropes that I start reading a book and instantly return it. Books that have an MC that is OP, Cultivation, the only idea these books often have is becoming a God, etc.
@@ddd6030 I agree I have been racking up the series I’ve gone through and a few I won’t continue. When things are too easy to growth too fast it’s not appealing. I will also say there’s only so many ways to create those rpg like mechanics to fit within the genre people recognize but also being unique. Defiance and Monsters so far do it best IMO. Though defiance has become a big too convoluted and too much cultivation.
I read these books 15ish years ago, and while they aren't spoken of much anymore, I've never heard anybody claim to be as confused by it as you seem to have been.
I am bemused by the overlap between Audible listeners and LitRPG fans. I read mine on Kindle so I have no idea which are even on Audible, but the Arcane Ascension universe is a great read if you want an elaborate progression system that is not cloned from popular games and not based on Chinese mysticism. I bought "Sufficiently Advanced Magic" because of the title, expecting it to be a comedy, but it has lots of fast-paced action and innovative magic.
Most LitRPG books and series are very long so listening makes it easier and it’s also usually single POV which makes it a good listen. I started AA and wasn’t super impressed? It was very YA and had a lot of usual tropes. I got most of the series through deals on Audible so I may continue at some point.
Highly recomend anything by Dawn Chapman
Just finished the first book, can't wait for the rest! Good video man
That’s, things get really shaken up and wild in book 2
The Primal Hunter is the best litrpg series of all time
I’m through 4 books now. It is very good but not without its issues.
@@AverageJoesLibraryI would say every book under the son has its issues
@@LrdGranticus truth. I personally have one glaring issue with it that keeps it lower on my rankings but I’ll still continue it. I do like the world integration and leveling system.
@@AverageJoesLibrary what’s the issue?
@@LrdGranticus to me the MC Jake isn’t believable or much like a real person. He’s way too nonchalant and cavalier about everything. They peg him as a loner and an introvert yet he’s super cocky and arrogant? In a way he’s a sociopath but not an entertaining/crazy one, just weird.
I’m Not the Hero by SourpatchHero is the newest one I’ve listen to. Book 1 is currently on Audible and book two releases in August. Truck-kun makes an appearance to Isekai the characters into a fantasy world. The first Litrpg books I listen to was close to ten years ago and it was a D&D Litrpg called Critical Failures.
Ever tried books that are towards cultivation? Examples: Path of ascension by c. mantis and Beware of chicken by casualfsrmer They tend to be less focused on stats and levels.
The only LitRPG that I have read thus far is Cradle and I really liked it. Haven't read book 12 yet, though. I did the DCC Kickstarter, so I am looking forward to that.
For the physical book? Think it has illustrations right? I love DCC, the audiobook is superior, really another level. I’m only 4 books into Cradle. I’d say it’s lore progression not full LitRPG? Their power ranking level definitely fits but not as stat or loot heavy.
@@AverageJoesLibrary For DCC it's the physical book. I've heard good things about it and it sounded interesting, so I figured why not. I heard someone call Cradle LitRPG, so that what I assumed it was because I really know nothing about the sub-genre.
I listen to audiobooks. Books are not games or DND sessions, and some kind of progression should happen in every story. Stat readings always kill the pacing when the only relevant thing is that they levelled up. Threadbare, I liked the twist. It's also part of a larger series. I read Threadbare 1-3, Small Medium (It had an interesting subversion), Blasphemy online (It's a prequel.), then threadbare 4-6. Ravensdagger writes wholesome stories. Cinnamon Bun can be hit or miss, and I preferred Fluff. Currently reading He who Fights with Monsters, love the humour and 4d chess. His chuuni tendencies in the 1 V 5 were great. I haven't found any great Pokemon/monster tamers yet. Djinn tamer has an immature MC, and Monster trainer academy felt like a mary sue. Jakes Magical Market is good but misleading. It abandons the market and card system halfway through to deep dive into the magic underlying the cards. I prefer the sequel but it also needed to change narrator. I read the manhwa of Solo levelling, it feels like it has no conflict, or maybe it lacks tension.
A lot of people enjoy role-playing, rpg games online, and that translates to an interest in similar stories in eBook/paperback form. Many are petty good, others not so much. I do enjoy them myself. Nice video.
Finishing #9. I think she has 17. I a new one was just released.
The Grand Game is a pretty great series also
If you haven't listened to the wandering inn yet you are missing out. Its my favorite Litrpg. Dungeon crawler Carl is second. Then it chaos seed: the land. Then its a toss up between he who fights with monsters & Defiance of the fall. Now ive listen to many many more but those are the top tier of Litrpg's. Some other good one are primal hunter, The good guys Series, Jake's magical market (is excellent), Homicidal aliens are invading and all I got Is this stat menu, everybody loves large chests ( it a grimdark comedy about a mimic), Dodge Tank, Dragon Seed [Archemi online], i got more but ill be here typing for too long. These are ones i read more then 3 books in the series. Some only have 2 right now tho.
Definitely a solid list: I have listened to a few Wandering Inn and I mostly like it but have some issues with it. The two main girls can be annoying and frustrating and there’s also a lot of extra stuff. Feels like it takes forever to progress the story. But it is will well done and the world is growing nicely.
I’ve hit quite the collection due to lots of Audible sales. Have a few in chaos seeds. My buddy loves Mark of the Fool. Awaken Online in very interested in. Arcane Ascension I own all of and my do next, a nice tower crawler change up. System Universe also is there and I own.
@AverageJoesLibrary lol that's funny because I like Ryoka and Aren. I didn't care for the mark of the fool MC or its game system. But have fun read or like me listening to more Litrpg's. But because there are a lot of not so great ones out there now. It's a genre that's is exploding with books.
I wrote a LitRPG series that I'm actually in the process of doing a revised edition for called Otherworld Saga (revised title will be different) I'd love to hear how you like them.
You might like Primal Hunter by Zogarth, avg. 600+ pgs., 9 books. Azarinth Healer by Rhaegar is good 3 book series, not as funny ae He who fight's with monsters but Ilea holds her own against monsters. I read Seth Rings Battle Mage Farmer book then learned the MC was from a much larger universe, that sadly I have not had time to dive into. a Cultivation series called Beware of Chicken , left me in stitches. humor wise for me I put around Dungeon Crawler Carl. I listen to White trash Warlock on Audible, it never set it's hooks into me. Working ten hr shifts I surf Audibles freebies and rock bottom sales.
Im through the first 3 books of PH and i do like it overall but have some issues with it.. I think i have some of the AH or it's on my wish list.
Seth ring who wrote battle mage farmer also wrote the titan series and the seual the tower series. Thats 16vbooks of god damned awesome right there. The primal hunter series is awesome. The legend of randidly ghost hound is awesome ... Basically search audible for litrpg, gamelit or core. Metaphorically throw a dart and hit awesome. Unorthodox farming, awesome Reborn: apocalypse awesome The system apocalypse by tao wong is so good it spawned three spinn offs in the same universe by other authors Also for an intro into cultivation/xianxia/wushu novels his a thousand li series is amazingly good. Top tier for the win. Lotrlg, gamelit and dungeon ore books have basicly claimed my last 3 or 4 years resulting in me spending even more on audible credits than ever. ... And as someone with over 6k titles in his library that is saying something
Very great suggestions on series I've read all of them and you are completely correct
The LitRPGs I've personally enjoyed are He Who Fights with Monsters, Viridian Gate Online, and The Wandering Inn. At the time of this comment, I'm a bit more than 3/4 through with what's been released for The Completionist Chronicles series, and I've been enjoying it so far. I'm planning on going through Dungeon Crawler Carl after I'm caught up on that since I heard that series is amazing.
I am going to do a VR like one for my next series and Viridian gate is on my wish list but no sales have come up for it.
I guess ‘Ready Player One’ technically falls into this genre
I’d argue it doesn’t. It’s more about puzzles and the quest but there isn’t much of any leveling or hunting for gear.
@@AverageJoesLibrary Ah - I’m just finding out about these books since yesterday, so trying to think how to compare them from what I know. Downloaded some samples to give them a whirl 👍🏼
I recommend The Land by Aleron Kong! It's my first series in this genre and I'm loving it. I wonder how it compares to Dungeon Crawler Carl because I feel like The Land is really really good
Speaking for DCC not much can compare to that ha and I’m on like my a 6th series? But I have had The Land recommended before, Chaos seeds is the series and I have the first 3. Slowly accumulating them when they are on sales.
@@AverageJoesLibrary noted! I guess I'll have to check out DCC
LitRPGs are just super addictive. I've consumed around 25 audiobooks within just 4 months. This stuff is just so enjoyable. I'm just affraid I will run out of good audiobooks soon :D
there are so many good series I have book marked and have been stockpiling through audible sales. Check out my other video where I say LitRPG is he most addictive, in the comments are a ton of great recommendations. If you add them to your wish list on Audible they email you anytime they go on sale so ive bought most of mine for $6-8
15 in 20 days...😅
A few top-notch recommendations. Some more worth considering: The Wandering Inn by Pirateaba and Primal Hunter by Zogarth
I am actually in the middle of both of those series. Just finished PH3 today. Taking a break from WI (also through the first 3)… I like both for different reason but also have issues with both for different reasons. WI is way too long winded with almost too much side stuff along with some other things. But I will continue it.
@@AverageJoesLibrary Ab, the thing about Wandering Inn is that all the “side stuff” is actually important later on. Either for worldbuilding, character development, or plot several books down the line. I am almost up to date with Wandering Inn’s main web novel and it is by far the most comprehensive and compelling narrative I have ever encountered. The sheer scale of the storytelling boggles the mind.
It is the crack cocaine of literature. It can be horrendous and it can be fun.
Who is he talking about that make sci fi book list!?
I agree with alot of the suggestions. But, He who fights with monsters, Im on book 10. Too much talking ( im not talking the monologue jokes) and way way to much over explaining. It has its moments, but tooo much over explaining unnecessary information.
Hey, welcome back? Just discovered your channel. Broadening my BookTube horizon.
Ha yea thanks. Have posted much in the last year but have some ideas to do more.
I hate it when people yuck other people's yums, but I don't understand LitRPG... AT ALL. I've played D&D for almost 40 years. Loving gaming. Love stories and drama. I do not understand why you would randomly inject RPG mechanics into a story that WASN'T a game. Mechanics are great in games, but their purpose is to interact with the randomness to determine success or failure - the famous "ludonarrative". If there is no chance of failure because an author is just writing a story, what do the mechanics / numbers-go-up do for me? They are not progress. They are not earned. So why do I have this constant 4th wall breaking reminder that everything in this story is fake (and often self-aware of its fakeness). Where is the drama? I just don't understand what it adds. Especially if authors are making up their own mechanics that the reader doesn't know. And DOUBLY ESPECIALLY if the author is just making up mechanics as they go along, and aren't even operating a well-designed and balanced game system. What is the point?! It's just constant deus ex machina. Or new powers ex machina. I'm happy other people like it. Everyone should create and enjoy what they like. I just don't understand it. And that's OK.
Yea that makes sense. It does give them their own opportunity to justify why there is a leveling system. Probably why a very common theme is end of the world/world being taken over/integrated with a system like universe. He who fights with monsters is done very well, even dungeon crawler Carl is good and interesting because it’s a “show.” Iron Prince is the straight up Sci Fi one where you get a piece of tech and it grows and evolves with you the more you train. But the reading of stats and breaking the 4th wall as you say is a common annoyance.
Here's one reason people enjoy it that you might get - theorycrafting. I don't know if you've ever done it, but I used to create character and character builds not because I'd be playing with others, but just for fun. When you're reading a LitRPG, especially a well written one, you often have enough information to start 'building' your own character. Figuring out how and what you'd choose, what you'd do differently. It lets you imagine playing in that world, or those scenarios. I'd also add, a lot of the time, in 'traditional' RPG books, the characters don't see the mechanics. They never know it. In LitRPGs, you know the system is there, it exists and it's another 'force' you have to contend with, one you can manage and manipulate. Theorycraft too, just like the reader, to optimise a build.
The ones that are more towards cultivation tend to have less stats show and more of a progression as other fantasy progression in my experience and maybe is more for you if you want to try em out
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Great Video. Just recently finished the latest Dungeon Crawler Carl book and loved it. Primal Hunter is really good as well, the first two books were probably the weakest so if you like it so far it only gets better. Working on Defiance 12 now but not sure if I'll finish it, the series was much better pre time skip in my opinion. Way too focused on the main character and leveling, not enough side characters.
I definitely agree with Defiance. I miss the incursion days ha. Like just give them one to participate in. So far I’m liking the leveling in PH it reminds me of defiance, it’s Jake I have a hard time with. He’s not a believable character, definitely the weakest aspect.
White Trash Warlock is SUCH a good series but its definitely not LitRPG. Its more urban fantasy. It also sounds like itd be a comedy but it has a lot of emotional elements to it i didnt expext going in.
To me WTW was just a romance disguised as a fantasy.
He Who Fights With Monsters was what got me started on LitRPG, it's great. DCC is amazing, love Defiance of the Fall. A newer one that is the most like Defiance of the Fall of all the ones I've read so far is The Primal Hunter series. Divine Apostasy is really fun, Necrotic Apocalypse is a really different spin on the main character. The Ripple System is good but in that case it's actually a VR MMO not a real world but it's funny and somehow still got me to care. Unbound is shaping up nicely. There's The Completionist Chronicles and Beastborne. Honorable mention to Mark of the Fool because I don't think it's actually a LitRPG but it kinda has that feel to it anyway and it's really enjoyable. I think of these as sort of literary fast food. It's not a gourmet meal like Lord of the Rings or The Stormlight Archive, or Wheel of Time. But it tastes pretty good and the authors are absolutly CHURNING these things out. Defiance of the Fall is dropping a new book every 3 months or so and that's pretty common. You can tell they are going fast on some of them, Defiance of the Fall again as the example, you pick up on how the books could use a more thorough editing. Almost every action taken in the books is described as being done "quickly" even if there's no reason to give a speed to the action at all. Like going over and opening a door when nothing else is going on and for some reason it's done quickly. At least use some different words for quickly damn. But that's not why you come to this stuff. It's about fast paced progression and always moving toward a new goal. It's junk food, and god damn is it hard not to reach in the bag for another chip.
Ive started collecting Primal Hunter through Audible deals, currently on book 8 of Monsters and PH is next. Lots of great recommendations thanks I'll add some of these to my wish list. A friend of mind keeps recommending Mark of the Fool but im waiting of them to go on sale.
The sheer length of these books and amount of them make them awesome audiobooks. Very well put on the fast/junk food ha. some can be very clever like DCC i think is very well thought out but those books are also spaced out much further.
@@AverageJoesLibrary Exactly, and it shows. DCC is clearly taking the time for increased quality at the sake of speed where some of the others are willing to sacrifice a bit on the quality of their prose to get more content out faster. For anyone that is really jonesing for more books to consume it's a price I think is worth paying. I was working a job that required 0 brain power for a long time so I was listening to 9+ hours of audio books per day 5 days a week. So when I found LitRPG's and their accelerated release schedule it was a godsend. It's why my audible library has 404 titles in it lol.
Try primal hunter
These are definitely hits.. I also extremely enjoy The System Universe. Silvi is a bad ass. Also Path of Ascension is really enjoyable and I look forward to the new release.
I’ve started watching out for system universe sales and collecting them. Only have the 3rd. POA also on my wish list but so many others ahead.
If you're looking for a good LitRPG series that is wonderfully written, you should look at "the Path of Ascension" series, by C Mantis. There are a few of the books on Audible, and they even have books 1-3 as a compilation available which is about 70 hours.