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oh hey i bought this game rather recently! shame to hear it didn't well o3o

thanks, this info is crazy helpful

And how it works after the year ? How many reviews did you got ?

Orcent would be proud of your maturity.

Returnal is a AAA roguelike and it's pretty good

Short answer: roguelikes/roguelites are just better.

100% completed it today. For me it was something new and refreshing. Hope to see a sequel in this style.

The graph at the end should have had Price as a bar too. Most Roguelikes aren't full purchase price games, and I think most customers kind of expect that trade off now. Dead Cells is beloved as a $25 title that's frequently on sale for half off. If it launched at $70 it wouldn't be thought as the same way

I was browsing the switch eshop, and came across yet another ai garbage game, but it seemed familiar. Then I looked closer and remembered it from watching this video. The fact that you actually used that ugly low quality ai generated anime orc on the cover of the game is INSANE. GET RID OF THAT AI ORC FACE. That wont fix all your problems, but it will be a HUGE improvement. People are being way too nice about this and it isn't helping.

I understand, why you guys like roguelikes, but PLEASE, for the sanity of us casual players, do not force permadeath mechanic. Just give us the option of easy mode, feel free to call it "sucker mode" whatever. I simply do not want to invest hours into playing a game, where every single mistake or just a bad luck with randomizer, can delete all my progress.

You nailed it, except in saying that live services are too hard for indie devs, modern engines have most of the networking stuff already incorporated, its easier than ever... I agree with the rest, but still, the reason I'm doing a roguelike is because I love roguelikes!

Great summary

why should an indie become a corporate drone again?

I made a hybrid of a classic Doom clone and a roguelike. The reason was I wanted some I could play that felt like a core action game, but which I could play casually in for an hour or two here and an hour or two there -- so I went for simple retro-FPS game play, with procedural levels and permadeth that could be beaten in an hour or two on a successful run while having infinite replayability. Basically, I made as a toy for my own amusement since I didn't know of anything out there that was quite what I wanted. That is how I played arcade style games as a kid, returning regularly throughout my childhood.

Thank you for watching this vid, feel free to checkout my upcoming game (It's not a rogue-like though): store.steampowered.com/app/2907050/Shalnor_Silverwind_Saga

Just started solo game development and this makes sense. With 3 hours of code i can implement a gameplay mechanic that players can use in a variety of ways, sometimes ways i didn't even expect. With 3 hours of time spent on art I've made a few assets that will be seen once or twice or maybe not seen at all depending on how the player plays the game. If you're a small developer trying to maximize value for the player in the most efficient way, you're going to focus more on programming and gameplay than on art and level design, and rogue like games are the perfect genre for that approach.

While you're right about everything here, I think another reason is simply because it's trendy right now; We had a few massive indie hits in a short span, that all had roguelike elements (spelunky, binding of issac, rogue legacy), and anyone who also wants to make an indie game is likely going to look at what the big hits are doing, or perhaps be outright inspired by them - Popular things become influential after all. On a quick note about roguelikes; I can't stand how long they've become: Spelunky HD could be beaten as a reasonable player in about 10-15 minutes (even significantly less!), but the journey to get to that skill level was the fun of it - Spelunky 2's time to be beaten by a reasonable player is about 50 minutes (and god help you if you're trying for the cosmic ocean). In a game style where you're supposed to die often, why would you waste the player's time by making the rounds so long? Making them short and snappy so that the player hasn't lost much when they die, and therefore doesn't get frustrated, seems so obvious... Maybe I'm missing something here though? Or maybe I just need to 'get gud'?

Based on this video, I should be in great shape! Strategy being low supply high demand, plus an infinite gameplay model. Probably no love from the gaming press though (like you say in the video, they want short art pieces that are easy to review).

I think you're exactly right. One of the strengths of roguelikes: it's not really a genre, it's more a set of design sensibilities. So it can be combined with almost ANY genre! There's roguelike deck builders, platformers, action games, shooters, etc etc. I'm working on a roguelike real-time tactics game instead of doing the typical PVP multiplayer. Roguelike ideas are allowing me to inject tons of gameplay variety and replayability as a solo developer, in a genre that's almost exclusively dominated by handmade campaigns and multiplayer matches on a fixed map pool.

From this perspective, i guess soulslikes are quite similar to roguelikes.

I think roguelike games solve a very simple problem: variety. Video games have been around for a very long time, even back in the 90's the market was massive, it's insane now. So many genres keep getting re-hashed and there isn't enough variety. Do I want to play a graphical/theme/tone variation of a game I already pour hundreds of hours into? Nah it would be boring, I basically played that game already. After playing so much Civ 4 and a little Civ 5 I am Civ-ed out. Now Against the Storm is a roguelike city builder. I was able to play that for 240 hours and I could maybe still play a little more if I really wanted to get back into since the runs are fresh and games have a lot of variety.

We are developing a Roguelite, so I've player EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. that has come out in order to do proper research and make something new in the space. And don't get me wrong, I like them all in a way or another. But I'm just so tired man lol When we ship this one, I'll never make a roguelike IN MY LIFE. Probably play one or two more when I've recovered from the PTSD. Next one (probably) will be a Story Driven ARPG, I miss those!

Wait, you made a rogue-like? Where can we try it?

I've always wondered why AAA games don't take advantage of the massive maps they create. They make one story and they're done which is such a waste. They could reuse the same maps and write new stories over and over coming out with content every few months.

Prey: Moon expansion.

it's called skill-issue, you gen z game devs are dumber than your predecessors 20 years ago

RETURNAL

You forgot Returnal

Seriously tired of fhe term rogue-like to be honest.. everything is a rogue-like even a freaking card game ? How?

Thb 2 looks like a shavelware

nice.. i learned a.... nothing, nothing new. but good vid

My only pet peeve is that the majority of indie roguelikes are 2D. Don't get me wrong, 2D is occasionally fine and I get it's still a cost-cutting measure. But it would be nice to see more 3D roguelikes.

I think it's because roguelikes are relatively easy to make. You don't need to do much level design, as the procedural generation will take care of that. You don't have to do much balancing, as a part of fun in a roguelike is becoming OP through item synergies. And graphics/music can be SNES-style pixelart and chiptunes.

I'm making a non roguelike (real)

Because it's easier to copy/paste success instead of being original and risky.

Thank you for your analysis and experience!

Solo and 3D often is a studio killer. If the project is so complex that you can't focus on the meat of what makes the game great, then it's hard to create quality.

Goat penises are better than bread now!

GetsuFumaDen is Konami's take on Dead Cells and it's pretty cool, to be honest. But it's very uncommon in AAA space. There's also ChunSoft's Mystery Dungeon games like PMD. What about Shadow of Mordor/Shadow of War? One could reasonably argue that Mario Party games are pretty adjacent of a genre, too.

I thought 2d platformer was the most popular made?

Nailed it right. It's just easier and more cost-reward effective, and the market for it is still strong. Despite all of the clones of popular games in the genre, there's still a lot of space in the genre to explore as well.

Just one person said they bought one game on epic if its especially cheap.

so do you recommend indie devs to stick to rouge likes?

Next question: why does the indie market keep wanting to play almost solely roguelikes? It feels if a new indie game is not roguelike, it will get minimal attention

You're 100% right

What about multiplayer games ? coop/online

Good content, tons of information. 👍 Good job

switch the main character to an anime girl with jiggle physic and you will make banks :D

Creative vision is what you want and marketing is what the people want? ... This right there is why your gane failed

The whole thing takes 3 months. By that time you’re already late to the market. Plus you pay all that extra money. It’s not worth man. I’d rather give my console rights to a bigger publisher and use my game’s inclusion in consoles as an advertisement for the PC and mobile versions.