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Winning Down the Stretch w/ Christian Hellmers
Pat is joined by professional horse racing bettor and FFPC player Christian Hellmers to talk through his approach to fantasy football. They discuss Christian's biggest RB fades, his roster-building philosophy, and his thoughts on stacking.
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00:00 - Intro
01:02 - Introducing Christian Hellmers to the Legendary Upside community
07:40 - Hellmers discussing what jumps out on the FFPC landscape in 2024
14:08 - Advantages of drafting early on FFPC and the three RBS Hellmers is fading
24:22 - Can Jaylen Waddle be a WR1 in fantasy?
29:25 - Why are rounds 3-7 so important to Hellmers
35:54 - Will Rachaad White be a valuable RB with how inefficient he was in 2023?
37:57 - Who is Hellmers targeting in round 4 with being out on the WRs in that range?
39:55 - Will Hellmers ever take a massive stand and full fade a player?
45:16 - Hellmers and Pat discussing their exposures to certain players
47:44 - How valuable is Diontae Johnson in 2024?
51:32 - Hellmers approach to stacking in the Main Event
56:11 - Will Hellmers ever go all in on a RB room and take multiple from the same room
1:01:23 - Discussing decisions in a Main Event Pat did on Ship Chasing
1:06:05 - Discussing differences in drafting philosophy between Hellmers and Pat
1:13:24 - Importance of stacking in the Main Event, can it actually hurt you in the play off sprint?
1:20:55 - Week 17 strategy on Underdog discussion
1:30:26 - Wrapping up with some final thoughts on drafting stacks and ADP discounts
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Deneric Prince Who Was Promised w/ Kyle Dvorchak, Sackreligious, and Daniel Racz
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Pat convenes with the rankings crew to talk about how they're building with early-round RBs like De'Von Achane, which backfields they're doubling up on in the same draft, why they're high on every Patriots WR, and why CEH is a shockingly good late round pick. FOLLOW: ► Kyle Dvorchak ➝ KyleTweetsHere ► Daniel Racz ➝ DanielRacz_ ► Sack ➝ www.legendaryupside.com/author/sack...
Best Bowl Mania w/ Eric Froton
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Pat is joined by college football expert Eric Froton to discuss Underdog's new Best Bowl Mania tournament. They talk through Froton's rankings, and how to structure builds and draft a team. Eric's 2024 CFF Wide Receiver Historical Overview and Positional Primer ► fantraxhq.com/2024-cff-wide-receiver-historical-overview-and-positional-primer/ FOLLOW: ► Eric Froton ➝ CFFroton ► Pat ➝ ...
Legendary Sickos: Training Camp Priors
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Pat and Erik discuss the players they're targeting in preparation for training camp news and which situations they'll be most closely monitoring when camps kick off. FOLLOW: ► Erik➝ erikbeimfohr ► Pat ➝ PatKerrane Sign up for the Legendary Upside newsletter (www.legendaryupside.com/) Fill out the form activating a $50 Underdog credit (for yearly LegUp subscribers - while...
Mid-July Rankings Pod w/ Sackreligious, Daniel Racz, and Kyle Dvorchak
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Pat convenes with the rankings crew to talk about how they're building with early-round RBs like De'Von Achane, which backfields they're doubling up on in the same draft, why they're high on every Patriots WR, and why CEH is a shockingly good late round pick. FOLLOW: ► Kyle Dvorchak ➝ KyleTweetsHere ► Daniel Racz ➝ DanielRacz_ ► Sack ➝ www.legendaryupside.com/author/sack...
Late June Rankings Pod w/ Sackreligious, Daniel Racz, and Kyle Dvorchak
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Pat, Kyle, Daniel, and Sack discuss the latest updates to the LegUp best ball rankings and how they're attacking drafts. They discuss 3QB builds, their favorite early stacks, combining different strategies, and more. FOLLOW: ► Kyle Dvorchak ➝ KyleTweetsHere ► Daniel Racz ➝ DanielRacz_ ► Sack ➝ www.legendaryupside.com/author/sackreligious/ ► Pat ➝ PatKerrane S...
Legendary Sickos: Aren't Ya Worried w/ Mike Leone
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Pat and Erik are joined by Mike Leone to talk through how to appropriately bake in downside, which players worry them, and how they're attacking this year's best ball landscape FOLLOW: ► Mike Leone ➝ 2Hats1Mike ► Erik➝ erikbeimfohr ► Pat ➝ PatKerrane Sign up for the Legendary Upside newsletter (www.legendaryupside.com/) Fill out the form activating a $50 Unde...
Legendary Sickos: Best Ball Pinball
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Pat and Erik discuss potential keys to the 2024 best ball season, including which early non-WR values they're targeting. But they also discuss a potential path to winning that completely forgoes early-round detours-one that relies on two high-upside rookies. FOLLOW: ► Erik➝ erikbeimfohr ► Pat ➝ PatKerrane Sign up for the Legendary Upside newsletter (www.legendaryupside.c...
The LegUp Sidekick-Dynamic Best Ball Rankings
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Pat is joined by ShaidyAdvice and Sackreligious to introduce the LegUp Sidekick, a dynamic best ball rankings tool powered by the Legendary Upside Best Ball Rankings. They showcase the Sidekick in an Underdog draft, discussing how it works, what is baked into it, and how they prefer to use it. www.legendaryupside.com/sidekick/ www.legendaryupside.com/sidekick-installation-guide/ www.legendaryup...
Diving into Depth Chart Uncertainty w/ Greg Brainos
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Pat is joined by Greg Brainos, the man behind @Coachspeak Index. They discuss the importance of context in evaluating coaching comments and which coaches are an open book. They also dive into uncertain depth charts and OTA / Minicamp buzz. FOLLOW: ► Greg Brainos ➝ CoachspeakIndex ► Pat ➝ PatKerrane Sign up for the Legendary Upside newsletter. Pat's best ball rankings are...
Embracing Chaos but Mitigating Risk
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Pat and Erik are back for another marathon pod to talk through the process of finding league winners. FOLLOW: ► Erik➝ erikbeimfohr ► Pat ➝ PatKerrane Sign up for the Legendary Upside newsletter (www.legendaryupside.com/) Fill out the form activating a $25 Underdog credit (for yearly LegUp subscribers - while supplies last). (www.legendaryupside.com/legup-perks/) Sign up ...
Best Ball Rankings w/ Daniel Racz, Conor O'Driscoll, Kyle Dvorchak, and Sackreligious
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The crew discusses the LegUp best ball rankings and how to use them to attack drafts. They dive into how to handle the late 3rd round, what to do when you fall behind at WR, how to attack the RB sweet spot in drafts, and which QBs they are pushing in drafts. FOLLOW: ► Kyle Dvorchak ➝ KyleTweetsHere ► Daniel Racz ➝ DanielRacz_ ► Sack ➝ www.legendaryupside.com/author/sackr...
Legendary Sickos: Mailbag Part 1
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Pat and Erik answer listener questions on drafting/life balance, team construction, maxing tournaments, and more. FOLLOW: ► Erik➝ erikbeimfohr ► Pat ➝ PatKerrane Sign up for the Legendary Upside newsletter (www.legendaryupside.com/) Fill out the form activating a $50 Underdog credit (for yearly LegUp subscribers - while supplies last). (www.legendaryupside.com/legup-perk...
How to Attack 2024 Best Ball Drafts w/ Jakob Sanderson
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How to Attack 2024 Best Ball Drafts w/ Jakob Sanderson
Legendary Sickos: Drafting for the Best Ball Playoffs
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Legendary Sickos: Drafting for the Best Ball Playoffs
Legendary Sickos: Best Ball Market Overview
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Legendary Sickos: Best Ball Market Overview
LegUp + ShaidyAdvice = How to Build Best Ball Portfolios
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LegUp ShaidyAdvice = How to Build Best Ball Portfolios
Post NFL Draft Best Ball Rankings Updates w/ Kyle Dvorchak,Daniel Racz and Sackreligious
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Post NFL Draft Best Ball Rankings Updates w/ Kyle Dvorchak,Daniel Racz and Sackreligious
Rookie Rankings Breakdown w/ Jakob Sanderson and Davis Mattek
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Rookie Rankings Breakdown w/ Jakob Sanderson and Davis Mattek
Best Ball Rankings Comparison w/ Shawn Siegele
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Best Ball Rankings Comparison w/ Shawn Siegele
Pre-draft Risers and Fallers w/ Sam Sherman and Davis Mattek
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Pre-draft Risers and Fallers w/ Sam Sherman and Davis Mattek
Diggs Trade Fallout w/ Davis Mattek and Sam Sherman
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Diggs Trade Fallout w/ Davis Mattek and Sam Sherman
Offseason Injury Outlooks w/ Matthew Betz
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Offseason Injury Outlooks w/ Matthew Betz
The Shifting Best Ball Landscape w/ Sam Sherman
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The Shifting Best Ball Landscape w/ Sam Sherman
Best Ball Rankings Cross Comparison w/ Justin Herzig
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Best Ball Rankings Cross Comparison w/ Justin Herzig
Making Sense of Free Agency w/ Pat Daugherty
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Making Sense of Free Agency w/ Pat Daugherty
How to Win Underdog's Rookies & Sophomores w/ Daniel Racz
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How to Win Underdog's Rookies & Sophomores w/ Daniel Racz
Post Free Agency Dynasty Huddle w/ Davis Mattek and Jakob Sanderson
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Post Free Agency Dynasty Huddle w/ Davis Mattek and Jakob Sanderson
Free Agency Risers and Fallers w/ Davis Mattek
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Free Agency Risers and Fallers w/ Davis Mattek
Post Free Agency Best Ball Rankings Updates w/ Kyle Dvorchak and Daniel Racz
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Post Free Agency Best Ball Rankings Updates w/ Kyle Dvorchak and Daniel Racz

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @brooklynalldaybrooklynalln4254

    This was by far the best podcast of the season on this channel, thanks !!

  • @YouTalkSports
    @YouTalkSports День тому

    In this video Pat made a great point about unlocking “another level” in players like Waddle

  • @T-ob5nc
    @T-ob5nc День тому

    I actually think he makes a good point about the gsme theory at the end. At a certain point, people should just take naked stroud, at some percentage of the time as he slides past ADP, the further he falls, the more likely you should be to do it. Im back stacking so often late myself, that I should acutally be doing it more.

  • @mtmrevolt
    @mtmrevolt День тому

    respect the takes and how he organizes his process, I'm definitely more queasy on TB this year though. I'm more willing to have 4-5 40-50% guys but I'm also relatively unhinged lol.

  • @davidashworth6764
    @davidashworth6764 2 дні тому

    This guy has the confidence of a much better strategist with far stronger decision making rationale. Appreciate the differing viewpoints though.

  • @Krs0123
    @Krs0123 2 дні тому

    Anytime this wagon wants to draft best ball, happy to take his action. A knowitall who shows that he knows nothing is the worst

  • @vinnym1596
    @vinnym1596 2 дні тому

    Great guest

  • @zachlanars5257
    @zachlanars5257 2 дні тому

    Love listening to different perspectives. However, takes like fading MIA pass catchers because he’s predicting a Tua injury and selecting RB’s based on perceived strength of schedule feels like so much overconfidence in predicting total chaos.

  • @brianfieweger8799
    @brianfieweger8799 2 дні тому

    Very pretentious interview. Good for dude for all his success at horse race betting. But I'd go heads up against him in anything football related.

  • @brianfieweger8799
    @brianfieweger8799 2 дні тому

    Tesla-this is how he received a lot of his ideas..Downloaded while dreaming.

  • @donkcrypto9613
    @donkcrypto9613 2 дні тому

    Really enjoyed this one. Christian is a very sharp well spoken guy.

  • @albertmeuse2728
    @albertmeuse2728 2 дні тому

    usually like the guests but found this guy a bit pretentious. he tried to present himself as the sharpest guy in the room but was wildly incoherent when attempting to explain anything. and it felt like he was lecturing pat instead of having a conversation. like i’m sorry random horse guy did you win bbm3?

    • @nickp203
      @nickp203 День тому

      Not sure how that was your takeaway at all

    • @brianfieweger8799
      @brianfieweger8799 День тому

      @@albertmeuse2728 haha, I described him the exact same way. Didn't see your comment. Didn't he call himself a numbers junky? He brought no numbers or insight at all.

    • @larry2timezlarry2timez66
      @larry2timezlarry2timez66 День тому

      No but wins consistently .

    • @brooklynalldaybrooklynalln4254
      @brooklynalldaybrooklynalln4254 День тому

      I disagree, he really just sticks with his guys and has strong takes, I prefer that. The two obviously have two different drafting styles and both have been successful.

    • @brianfieweger8799
      @brianfieweger8799 День тому

      @@brooklynalldaybrooklynalln4254 I didn't hear any strong takes. Saying you're down on the Phins because he thinks Tua will get hurt is a very casual take that would have had more credence last year before playing a full healthy season. Strong takes come with rationale and numbers to back them up. I'm glad you took something out of it but I didn't.

  • @XenQ7
    @XenQ7 2 дні тому

    Great pod. Love the differing viewpoints

  • @shonuff4855
    @shonuff4855 2 дні тому

    My worry about a Jacobs fade, which I somewhat been doing, is something we always come back to at the end is oh ya take good players on good teams and great offenses.

    • @benhavard1263
      @benhavard1263 День тому

      Is he a good player, and is he on a great offense, those are still big questions

    • @shonuff4855
      @shonuff4855 День тому

      ​@@benhavard1263Well no shit those are the questions. What I was obviously saying is that I'm worried the answers are yes.

    • @brooklynalldaybrooklynalln4254
      @brooklynalldaybrooklynalln4254 53 хвилини тому

      ​@shonuff4855 I don't understand why people are fading him, I get him in the 5th round, sometimes 6th often

    • @shonuff4855
      @shonuff4855 16 хвилин тому

      @@brooklynalldaybrooklynalln4254 Ive started grabbing him more and more lately where I can.

  • @getshrektbra3616
    @getshrektbra3616 2 дні тому

    30% Diontae is crazy. Love the horse racing expertise, though.

  • @jawshwahhh
    @jawshwahhh 2 дні тому

    Really enjoyed this episode. Christian has some super interesting perspectives

  • @ML-uc7ex
    @ML-uc7ex 2 дні тому

    Go Bills won with Mahomes/Kelce/McKinnon all 3 weeks.

  • @AlexPKeaton15
    @AlexPKeaton15 2 дні тому

    Christian Hellmers is legit awesome. Great episode.

  • @AlexPKeaton15
    @AlexPKeaton15 2 дні тому

    30% lloyd is sex

  • @theconsigliere2301
    @theconsigliere2301 2 дні тому

    I think the idea that all of your players need to finish Top 12 at position to win the whole thing really has merit. How do you tell the story that each player you take does that is a story that wins the tourney over increased advance rates.

  • @sakichler
    @sakichler 2 дні тому

    Great listen! Feeling better about my 0% Henry, Mixon, and Jacobs after listening to Christian

  • @codythomssen9337
    @codythomssen9337 2 дні тому

    Algorithm

  • @theconsigliere2301
    @theconsigliere2301 2 дні тому

    When you do Del Mar ... I wanna meet up. Maybe we can get Jon Boy Beats too and make it a whole thing.

  • @disbandedbrotherhood
    @disbandedbrotherhood 2 дні тому

    .

  • @dancalzone551
    @dancalzone551 3 дні тому

    great point around uniqueness not really mattering.

  • @OPp-c3i
    @OPp-c3i 3 дні тому

    What does the numbers mean on the far right of the cheat sheet ?

  • @BenHaskellFF
    @BenHaskellFF 5 днів тому

    i disagree that Keon has a chance to be really good as a rookie.. there is no chance.. only certainty 😈

  • @galaxigamestar9711
    @galaxigamestar9711 5 днів тому

    I’m curious why Sack is skipping the Marathon? Or did i misunderstand that & he just hasn’t played it yet

  • @Kpizzo
    @Kpizzo 5 днів тому

    Think moss is still decent, ton of goal line work historically on that team, don’t think those are going to brown

  • @andrewg3196
    @andrewg3196 6 днів тому

    Funny thing about CEH: last year he was also going in the last round. He was the lowest advance rate player in the last round.

    • @Sackreligious9
      @Sackreligious9 5 днів тому

      Hmm, not sure where you're getting your advance rate data but this is not accurate. CEH had a 12.5% advance rate with a closing ADP of 208.35. Here are players with an ADP after 205, drafted more than 15000 times in BBM4 with a lower advance rate than CEH: Terrace Marshall, Richie James, Parris Campbell, Tim Patrick, Jelani Woods.

    • @andrewg3196
      @andrewg3196 5 днів тому

      @Sackreligious9 From a Fantasy Pros article "Best Ball Advance Rates" Feb 26 2024. And yeah I guess it depends how you define "last round". Point is people ate saying hes so underpriced but we've already seen him with a rock bottom price and he had a below average regular season advance rate. Just thought it was kinda funny.

    • @Sackreligious9
      @Sackreligious9 5 днів тому

      @@andrewg3196 Certainly think that he's less appealing to draft now, I'm personally just standing pat with what I have so far for CEH exposure and now I've got new late round RBs that I'm going to be comfortable clicking as we get more camp news.

  • @quandraper7034
    @quandraper7034 6 днів тому

    Need to get in a PPH league asap 😭😭😭

  • @danieltuttle8075
    @danieltuttle8075 6 днів тому

    Does anyone have a link to the underdog kickback promotion thing that gives you a % of your total NFL best ball spending back to your account based off the total number of drafts you enter between the opening and closing dates of BBMV? I've tried to word that query a thousand different ways and have gotten exactly zero search results for days...

  • @slat_catz8849
    @slat_catz8849 6 днів тому

    There’s no way bellinger and Theo Johnson have the same ras

  • @JackS-tj1th
    @JackS-tj1th 6 днів тому

    The point Sack made at the end came off pretty horribly imo. I don’t trust his evaluation of the value of “uniqueness” when he’s referencing duped lineups. That’s misunderstanding the strategy entirely. He’s essentially making the argument that in the DFS millionaire maker you should always use 100% of your salary because the “math” says that’s best for your projection. When in reality it’s totally valid to sacrifice projection and use less salary for leverage. People need to stop saying “math” in this space when they’ve done no math

  • @Barker-ue9ws
    @Barker-ue9ws 6 днів тому

    A fun side mission while watching these is to wait for Pat to say "We only have XX minutes left" and see how far they run over. This time only 14 minutes over schedule. Kind of weak tbh haha.

  • @RicardoMartinez-oy9dg
    @RicardoMartinez-oy9dg 6 днів тому

    After a season where QJ showed the public what the bottom end of the range of outcome looks like for that player archetype, Coleman is a clear buy. Not bc he’s guaranteed to be anything special as a player, but bc he’s almost guaranteed to be a value.

  • @Playoffrondo
    @Playoffrondo 6 днів тому

    imagine doing a thousand drafts and being at 4% pat mahomes

    • @Kevo479
      @Kevo479 6 днів тому

      couldn't be me.

    • @Olivpinc
      @Olivpinc 6 днів тому

      Couldn't be me either.

  • @Kyles_Money
    @Kyles_Money 6 днів тому

    Love these talks, thank you fellas

  • @b0b6621
    @b0b6621 6 днів тому

    Kamara atleast will catch 50+ balls. Gives you a good floor. Prob still has goal line work even if he’s not efficient

    • @JackS-tj1th
      @JackS-tj1th 6 днів тому

      Floor doesn’t win you any money at his cost

  • @kuzco717
    @kuzco717 6 днів тому

    RIP my 27% Kendre shares...welp time to learn Jordan Mims

    • @icepanda4589
      @icepanda4589 6 днів тому

      46% for me... aaaand he is dropping 2 rounds and i still take him. My whole season is on kendre shoulders

    • @rosswatson3993
      @rosswatson3993 5 днів тому

      Yikes. Gotta work on those percentages.

    • @EJT9000
      @EJT9000 4 дні тому

      Pivot to Jaylen Wright

  • @mahomie3017
    @mahomie3017 6 днів тому

    I’m KC fan I grind all the beat reporter stuff and they simply just want to see what they have with Prince… they do this every year tbh …. Prince will make the team as RB3, but CEH is secured at RB2 Kerrane nailed it

  • @disbandedbrotherhood
    @disbandedbrotherhood 6 днів тому

    Generic Prince

  • @jacobgeiser5894
    @jacobgeiser5894 6 днів тому

    I've heard Dvorcheck dawg knox as a pick multiple times..if we think the Bills will run the ball more then 2 TE sets should be certainly in the range of outcomes..Plus Allen and Knox have an end zone connection no doubt

  • @Gospeed777
    @Gospeed777 6 днів тому

    LFG

  • @GourmetDiarrhea
    @GourmetDiarrhea 9 днів тому

    “We just don’t know”

  • @steveneberenz7718
    @steveneberenz7718 11 днів тому

    Awesome stream! I was drafting 9th.

  • @rynej
    @rynej 12 днів тому

    the panicked look when he said "queue nuss" and corresponding scrambling to figure out who that meant was amazing lmfao

  • @michaelbatkins9800
    @michaelbatkins9800 12 днів тому

    @Pat where can I find that schedule matrix?

  • @disbandedbrotherhood
    @disbandedbrotherhood 13 днів тому

    EA SPORTS is mids

  • @anthonymolleson4647
    @anthonymolleson4647 13 днів тому

    Very informative, great content guys. Loving college bestball so far and looking to continue to dive in