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The New Flame Cannons Rules - Belegar Ironhammer #12 - The Old World Campaign - SFO: Grimhammer 3
The Old World is back and there are still wonders to be seen in the world. This time we are going after the legendary Karak Eight Peaks with the true lord of eight peaks himself Belegar Ironhammer! To help us with this we need dwarfs ready to come to our aid, so we're playing with the Dwarf expanded roster mod, and Nanu's Dynamic Regiments of Renown mod to really immortalize the heroes of eight peak. And we are of course also playing all this with SFO Grimhammer.
Belegar Ironhammer, born Belegar Angrund and known by his followers as the "True King of Karak Eight Peaks," is the current leader of the Dwarfs' Clan Angrund and the direct descendant of King Lunn, the last Dwarf to rule the great hold of Karak Eight Peaks before its fall. Since that time, Belegar has dedicated his life to reclaiming Karak Eight Peaks. He proclaimed himself its king and fortified his position, encamping his forces into the wreckage of the once mighty surface structures of Karak Eight Peaks. There he remains, defiant and in a constant state of siege. From out of this slender foothold, the Dwarfs launch forays into the depths, bloody offensives intent on breaking their opponents' seemingly limitless armies, recapturing lower halls or seeking out lost treasures.
Modlist:
SFO: Grimhammer 3: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2792731173
The Old World Campaign: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3081800026
Expanded roster - Dwarfs: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3259258660
Nanu's Dynamic Regiments of Renown (Beta): steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3278112051
Mod Configuration tool: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2927955021
#totalwar #warhammer #theoldworld
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Saving Gotrek and Felix - Belegar Ironhammer #11 - The Old World Campaign - SFO: Grimhammer 3
Переглядів 38018 годин тому
The Old World is back and there are still wonders to be seen in the world. This time we are going after the legendary Karak Eight Peaks with the true lord of eight peaks himself Belegar Ironhammer! To help us with this we need dwarfs ready to come to our aid, so we're playing with the Dwarf expanded roster mod, and Nanu's Dynamic Regiments of Renown mod to really immortalize the heroes of eight...
Giant Goblins Join! - SOVL #3 Goblin Shaman - Warhammer Tabletop Roguelike!
Переглядів 1,5 тис.21 годину тому
SOVL is a tabletop fantasy combat game with roguelike elements. You pick your faction and lord, select some early units and go on an adventure on a Slay the spireish map. So if you like warhammer tabletop games, this game is perfect for you. I've been having a great time with the game and it's FREE! #Warhammer #tabletopgaming #gaming
Sneaky Clever Beastmen Trap - Belegar Ironhammer #10 - The Old World Campaign - SFO: Grimhammer 3
Переглядів 35821 годину тому
The Old World is back and there are still wonders to be seen in the world. This time we are going after the legendary Karak Eight Peaks with the true lord of eight peaks himself Belegar Ironhammer! To help us with this we need dwarfs ready to come to our aid, so we're playing with the Dwarf expanded roster mod, and Nanu's Dynamic Regiments of Renown mod to really immortalize the heroes of eight...
The Goblin Artillery Doomstack - SOVL #2 Goblin Shaman - Warhammer Tabletop Roguelike!
Переглядів 2 тис.23 години тому
SOVL is a tabletop fantasy combat game with roguelike elements. You pick your faction and lord, select some early units and go on an adventure on a Slay the spireish map. So if you like warhammer tabletop games, this game is perfect for you. I've been having a great time with the game and it's FREE! #Warhammer #tabletopgaming #gaming
Exterminating Volkn and Ferrik - Belegar Ironhammer #9 - The Old World Campaign - SFO: Grimhammer 3
Переглядів 44723 години тому
The Old World is back and there are still wonders to be seen in the world. This time we are going after the legendary Karak Eight Peaks with the true lord of eight peaks himself Belegar Ironhammer! To help us with this we need dwarfs ready to come to our aid, so we're playing with the Dwarf expanded roster mod, and Nanu's Dynamic Regiments of Renown mod to really immortalize the heroes of eight...
Finally Doing Some Questing - Belegar Ironhammer #8 - The Old World Campaign - SFO: Grimhammer 3
Переглядів 555День тому
The Old World is back and there are still wonders to be seen in the world. This time we are going after the legendary Karak Eight Peaks with the true lord of eight peaks himself Belegar Ironhammer! To help us with this we need dwarfs ready to come to our aid, so we're playing with the Dwarf expanded roster mod, and Nanu's Dynamic Regiments of Renown mod to really immortalize the heroes of eight...
Goblin Only Run (kinda) - SOVL #1 Goblin Shaman - Warhammer Tabletop Roguelike!
Переглядів 3,2 тис.День тому
SOVL is a tabletop fantasy combat game with roguelike elements. You pick your faction and lord, select some early units and go on an adventure on a Slay the spireish map. So if you like warhammer tabletop games, this game is perfect for you. I've been having a great time with the game and it's FREE! #Warhammer #tabletopgaming #gaming
Settling the Grudge! - Belegar Ironhammer #7 - The Old World Campaign - SFO: Grimhammer 3
Переглядів 699День тому
The Old World is back and there are still wonders to be seen in the world. This time we are going after the legendary Karak Eight Peaks with the true lord of eight peaks himself Belegar Ironhammer! To help us with this we need dwarfs ready to come to our aid, so we're playing with the Dwarf expanded roster mod, and Nanu's Dynamic Regiments of Renown mod to really immortalize the heroes of eight...
The True King of Eight Peaks - Belegar Ironhammer #6 - The Old World Campaign - SFO: Grimhammer 3
Переглядів 693День тому
The Old World is back and there are still wonders to be seen in the world. This time we are going after the legendary Karak Eight Peaks with the true lord of eight peaks himself Belegar Ironhammer! To help us with this we need dwarfs ready to come to our aid, so we're playing with the Dwarf expanded roster mod, and Nanu's Dynamic Regiments of Renown mod to really immortalize the heroes of eight...
Chaos Against Chaos Turns into Chaos - SOVL #3 Goatman Longhorn - Warhammer Tabletop Roguelike!
Переглядів 1,1 тис.День тому
SOVL is a tabletop fantasy combat game with roguelike elements. You pick your faction and lord, select some early units and go on an adventure on a Slay the spireish map. So if you like warhammer tabletop games, this game is perfect for you. I've been having a great time with the game and it's FREE! #Warhammer #tabletopgaming #gaming
Skarsnik is Blasting off Again! - Belegar Ironhammer #5 - The Old World Campaign - SFO: Grimhammer 3
Переглядів 643День тому
The Old World is back and there are still wonders to be seen in the world. This time we are going after the legendary Karak Eight Peaks with the true lord of eight peaks himself Belegar Ironhammer! To help us with this we need dwarfs ready to come to our aid, so we're playing with the Dwarf expanded roster mod, and Nanu's Dynamic Regiments of Renown mod to really immortalize the heroes of eight...
The Dwarf Goatmen - SOVL #2 Goatman Longhorn - Warhammer Tabletop Roguelike!
Переглядів 1,5 тис.День тому
SOVL is a tabletop fantasy combat game with roguelike elements. You pick your faction and lord, select some early units and go on an adventure on a Slay the spireish map. So if you like warhammer tabletop games, this game is perfect for you. I've been having a great time with the game and it's FREE! #Warhammer #tabletopgaming #gaming
It's Queeks Turn - Belegar Ironhammer #4 - The Old World Campaign - SFO: Grimhammer 3
Переглядів 788День тому
The Old World is back and there are still wonders to be seen in the world. This time we are going after the legendary Karak Eight Peaks with the true lord of eight peaks himself Belegar Ironhammer! To help us with this we need dwarfs ready to come to our aid, so we're playing with the Dwarf expanded roster mod, and Nanu's Dynamic Regiments of Renown mod to really immortalize the heroes of eight...
Good Doggos - SOVL #1 Goatman Longhorn - Warhammer Tabletop Roguelike!
Переглядів 2,7 тис.День тому
SOVL is a tabletop fantasy combat game with roguelike elements. You pick your faction and lord, select some early units and go on an adventure on a Slay the spireish map. So if you like warhammer tabletop games, this game is perfect for you. I've been having a great time with the game and it's FREE! #Warhammer #tabletopgaming #gaming
Putting the Scar in Skarsnik - Belegar Ironhammer #3 - The Old World Campaign - SFO: Grimhammer 3
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Putting the Scar in Skarsnik - Belegar Ironhammer #3 - The Old World Campaign - SFO: Grimhammer 3
Claiming The First Peaks - Belegar Ironhammer #2 - The Old World Campaign - SFO: Grimhammer 3
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Claiming The First Peaks - Belegar Ironhammer #2 - The Old World Campaign - SFO: Grimhammer 3
Karak Eight Peaks is Amazing! - Belegar Ironhammer #1 - The Old World Campaign - SFO: Grimhammer 3
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Karak Eight Peaks is Amazing! - Belegar Ironhammer #1 - The Old World Campaign - SFO: Grimhammer 3
Lizard on Lizard Violence - SOVL #3 Saurian Warlord - Warhammer Tabletop Roguelike!
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Lizard on Lizard Violence - SOVL #3 Saurian Warlord - Warhammer Tabletop Roguelike!
Mechanical Steambreathing Pterodactyl - SOVL #2 Saurian Warlord - Warhammer Tabletop Roguelike!
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Mechanical Steambreathing Pterodactyl - SOVL #2 Saurian Warlord - Warhammer Tabletop Roguelike!
It's Dino Time! - SOVL #1 Saurian Warlord - Warhammer Tabletop Roguelike!
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It's Dino Time! - SOVL #1 Saurian Warlord - Warhammer Tabletop Roguelike!
The Purge - Nakai #10 Finale - SFO: Grimhammer 3 - Total War: Warhammer 3
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The Purge - Nakai #10 Finale - SFO: Grimhammer 3 - Total War: Warhammer 3
Let the Cleansing Begin - Nakai #9 - SFO: Grimhammer 3 - Total War: Warhammer 3
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Let the Cleansing Begin - Nakai #9 - SFO: Grimhammer 3 - Total War: Warhammer 3
Going Out Questing - Nakai #8 - SFO: Grimhammer 3 - Total War: Warhammer 3
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Going Out Questing - Nakai #8 - SFO: Grimhammer 3 - Total War: Warhammer 3
Going Home - Nakai #7 - SFO: Grimhammer 3 - Total War: Warhammer 3
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Going Home - Nakai #7 - SFO: Grimhammer 3 - Total War: Warhammer 3
Fighting Nature - SOVL #3 Elf Spellsword - Warhammer Tabletop Roguelike!
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Fighting Nature - SOVL #3 Elf Spellsword - Warhammer Tabletop Roguelike!
Tactical Mastermind - Nakai #6 - SFO: Grimhammer 3 - Total War: Warhammer 3
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Tactical Mastermind - Nakai #6 - SFO: Grimhammer 3 - Total War: Warhammer 3
Messing With Dark Powers! - SOVL #2 Elf Spellsword - Warhammer Tabletop Roguelike!
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Messing With Dark Powers! - SOVL #2 Elf Spellsword - Warhammer Tabletop Roguelike!
Orc Meets Comet - Nakai #5 - SFO: Grimhammer 3 - Total War: Warhammer 3
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Orc Meets Comet - Nakai #5 - SFO: Grimhammer 3 - Total War: Warhammer 3
Making Friends - Nakai #4 - SFO: Grimhammer 3 - Total War: Warhammer 3
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Making Friends - Nakai #4 - SFO: Grimhammer 3 - Total War: Warhammer 3

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @djadri_z8964
    @djadri_z8964 17 годин тому

    Man, irondrakes and flammecannons are just pure cinema 🚬🗿

  • @Uterr
    @Uterr 18 годин тому

    Should there be a link to a next part? Anywhere? In the post video thumbnails, description, pinned comments?

  • @TheImpureOne
    @TheImpureOne 18 годин тому

    Flamethrowers are always cool

  • @supdude1878
    @supdude1878 День тому

    Tyftv

  • @supdude1878
    @supdude1878 День тому

    Tyftv

  • @supdude1878
    @supdude1878 День тому

    Tyftv

  • @TheImpureOne
    @TheImpureOne День тому

    Save the fellow Dwarf! …And the manling too, I guess. Also, landmarks!

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse День тому

      I'll save the dwarf alright, and the manling has proven himself pretty honourable. But they keep getting into these situation.

  • @inkeddecker9964
    @inkeddecker9964 День тому

    i dont mine the jokes

  • @ieasy12
    @ieasy12 2 дні тому

    32:00 Flamethrowers are a magic all their own. 😊

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 2 дні тому

      The elgi and umgi can keep their magic, we got flamethrowers!

  • @ieasy12
    @ieasy12 2 дні тому

    Final fight has never been counted in this game, for...reasons?

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 2 дні тому

      I have been noticing that late additions always have really low kills but thought that maybe they didn't do much in the end fight, but I know the giant killed things so it just doens't count, that's weird. I guess it doesn't affect the game much, but it is a bit weird still.

  • @ieasy12
    @ieasy12 2 дні тому

    0:47 You picked extra loot...over rerolling 1's!!! Wonderful, isn't it? 😂 3rd option was extra replenishment, btwn

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 2 дні тому

      Yeah... exactly what I wanted. Totally meant to do that. Who wants to reroll 1s, I never roll 1s. I Much rather just have 5 extra gold.

  • @hsientan3522
    @hsientan3522 2 дні тому

    Hilarious that last fight you didn’t have any goblins on board other than artillery

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 2 дні тому

      I still had some archers didn't I? But yeah, it mostly became trolls and giant with goblin artillery by the end.

  • @chefyboy2748
    @chefyboy2748 2 дні тому

    👍

  • @deathnotehell1
    @deathnotehell1 2 дні тому

    First time I see an actual artilery line in SOVL and its with Goblins is kinda hilarious to be honest.

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 2 дні тому

      Well, it's the best kind of artillery so it makes sense.

    • @deathnotehell1
      @deathnotehell1 2 дні тому

      @@lazygrouse "Best kind of artillery" well that's going in the book.

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 2 дні тому

      @@deathnotehell1 Well I am a goblin, so I'm pretty sure everything I do goes in your book. You're just jealous of my goblin swagger.

  • @Turnil321
    @Turnil321 2 дні тому

    Giants and other monsters are used by goblins in lots of fantasy universes.

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 2 дні тому

      yeah, that's why I thought it was ok. But I would still like to have had more goblins.

  • @djadri_z8964
    @djadri_z8964 2 дні тому

    Grey-shaman Akhbarr: its a trap! 😈

  • @TheImpureOne
    @TheImpureOne 2 дні тому

    Beastmen being smart… huh. Also, landmarks!

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 2 дні тому

      Well, it turns out it wasn't very smart, but smart for a beastman.

  • @stryke-jn3kv
    @stryke-jn3kv 3 дні тому

    I hope you keep doing these as I've been really enjoying them

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 2 дні тому

      @@stryke-jn3kv I'll keep making them as long as I'm having fun with them, and so far I'm loving the game.

  • @Yacovo
    @Yacovo 3 дні тому

    Don't you just hate being ambushed by a wizard gang? Thanks for the video.

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 2 дні тому

      @@Yacovo hate when that happens, just last week I had a wizard jump out of the bushes, turned my shirt puke green, and ran away laughing. These Wizards are out or control.

  • @jz1135
    @jz1135 3 дні тому

    I think you need slayer for flanking, the skaven is spamming slave and using advance unit for high casualties or more high tier frontline unit

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 3 дні тому

      I do plan on getting some empire cav for some flanking from our ally. But we are starting to run low on skaven to fight. Plus, I don't think I like using slayers to fight skaven infantry, because they still get kited to death by their runners and don't trade favorably into skaven infantry because of their non existent armor.

  • @BobMcBobJr
    @BobMcBobJr 3 дні тому

    Goblin mob benefits HEAVILY from any buffs you can get them since they have so many models to benefit from the buff. +1s, rerolls, skill ... all benefit them more than they benefit any other unit in the game.

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 3 дні тому

      I definitely agree, they are great if you can buff them up. But they are also realy squishy and got the worst leadership in the game, so once they lose 1 fight they are gone. But with good maneuvering they can definitely be good.

  • @Yacovo
    @Yacovo 3 дні тому

    Thanks for the video.

  • @SGProductions87
    @SGProductions87 3 дні тому

    Maybe you worked it out by now but Pain For Pleasure manifestation is 1 turn of minor damage for 6 turns of buff, so if you do it when garrisoned and hit end turn you'll replenish your losses and be fine and get the buff for the next 5 turns.

  • @saurabhsarkar8028
    @saurabhsarkar8028 3 дні тому

    At the Imperial Gunnery School in Nuln :"Greenskin Artillery?", twirling mustache, "Hmmph! Next you'll tell me to watch out for their oratory skills! By Sigmar, to think our realm depends on such as you."

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 3 дні тому

      It might sound funny to them now, but it won't be as funny when they have a face full of bolts.

  • @blackmagick77
    @blackmagick77 3 дні тому

    Youre playing lore qccurate skaven. They know they cant attack head on so they would 100% kite and shoot

  • @yusufdilmac6983
    @yusufdilmac6983 3 дні тому

    nıceeee

  • @TheImpureOne
    @TheImpureOne 3 дні тому

    I thought you would call an exterminator

  • @pikage2267
    @pikage2267 3 дні тому

    Send gift to teclis to build friendship. Also first lol

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 3 дні тому

      That elgi can find his own damn gold. (that is a pretty good idea though, but you know... dwarf)

  • @djadri_z8964
    @djadri_z8964 3 дні тому

    Man i recently notice you doing this campaign finally, i was on a break from warhammer for like a week. I have seen first 7 episodes in a day hahaha, this campaign is good cuz sfo + the old world is just 🍷🧐, i hope we still have lots of episodes to come.

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 3 дні тому

      Nice, glad you like it! We aint done yet!

    • @djadri_z8964
      @djadri_z8964 3 дні тому

      @@lazygrouse noice 😁👌🏻

  • @Aiden.B
    @Aiden.B 4 дні тому

    I've been loving the dwarf campaign, good stuff‼️

  • @supdude1878
    @supdude1878 4 дні тому

    Tyftv

  • @supdude1878
    @supdude1878 4 дні тому

    Tyftv

  • @TheImpureOne
    @TheImpureOne 4 дні тому

    Questin, Grudgin, same thing.

  • @HexadecimalGreyskull
    @HexadecimalGreyskull 4 дні тому

    Fun run so far looking forward to the rest, had a go at it too, finished it with big units of gobbo's, spears and archers, 5 trolls and my shaman with wolf riders. It was a blast!

  • @inkeddecker9964
    @inkeddecker9964 4 дні тому

    my prospector is holding my front line 600 orc and goblin kills. turned a close defeat against three stacks of greenskins into a herioc victory

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 4 дні тому

      I do plan on getting some prospectors again. I underestimated them first, but they are pretty neat.

  • @logflogger
    @logflogger 5 днів тому

    Gobbos OP plz nerf

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 4 дні тому

      Please don't, I'm just starting to think they aren't terrible. :P

  • @marcopritoni7182
    @marcopritoni7182 5 днів тому

    Zero casualties with goblins is awesome

  • @blackmagick77
    @blackmagick77 5 днів тому

    This game has the moat questionable rolls sometime. I was at the final battle act 2. I had 12 out of 15 attacks go though. They were saving on a 5 and got 11 of them. Next turn another unit hit 6 times. They had a 5 uo save saved all. I had a 3 up against 7 hits and saved 1

  • @marcopritoni7182
    @marcopritoni7182 5 днів тому

    Funny video

  • @chefyboy2748
    @chefyboy2748 5 днів тому

    👍

  • @wombatgirl997
    @wombatgirl997 5 днів тому

    Glory to the Gretchin Revolutionary Committee!

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 5 днів тому

      I think you're in the wrong universe here. Unless it is a very low tech planet in 40k where even the Imperium uses swords, spears, and shields.

  • @g3toutth3way
    @g3toutth3way 5 днів тому

    Hey! Are you on Discord??

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 5 днів тому

      I guess I use it from time to time, but I don't have a Discord channel or anything like that if that is what you're wondering.

  • @uroghai3439
    @uroghai3439 5 днів тому

    IIRC, gobbos used to be power 2, too. They're so much better now.

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 5 днів тому

      That is really bad then, I remember them being skill 2 as well and I really didn't like them then. :P

  • @inkeddecker9964
    @inkeddecker9964 5 днів тому

    Rock and stone brother got ya it was a miner issue 😂

  • @XavierMcV
    @XavierMcV 5 днів тому

    I love this game, and I love your videos. And I do love goblins. This is going to be great. 😁

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 5 днів тому

      I hope you enjoy it! It was a really fun run! :)

    • @XavierMcV
      @XavierMcV 5 днів тому

      @lazygrouse I really did. Looking forward to the next part. 🙂

  • @Drachnon
    @Drachnon 5 днів тому

    31:10 Those Dwarven Veterans have fearless so they don't get the -8 penalty

  • @blackdragonxtra
    @blackdragonxtra 5 днів тому

    Grouse truly embodies the Mind Goblin

  • @DarkArtRP
    @DarkArtRP 5 днів тому

    Hiho, a short little question. Are there playable Druchii?

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 5 днів тому

      No unfortunately there is only highelf and woodelf. I also want the best elves to be in the game (Druchii).

  • @nothanks1138
    @nothanks1138 5 днів тому

    Interesting run, btw, did you see the stuff about the dice actually being not entirely random in this game?

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 5 днів тому

      I did not. In what way are they not random? Is it like X-COM half cheating dice, or are they Karmic die like in BG3 or something?

    • @nothanks1138
      @nothanks1138 5 днів тому

      @@lazygrouse Karmic dice, basically a bag of 30 (soon to be random amount, supposedly) dice, with an equal amount of each roll in the bag. When you roll a dice, you pull a number from the bag. When the bag is empty, you get a new bag.

    • @uroghai3439
      @uroghai3439 5 днів тому

      ​@@nothanks1138yuck. No wonder the dice feel off.

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 5 днів тому

      @@nothanks1138 Huh, I don't think I'm a huge fan of that. But then again, I probably would never notice unless you told me.

    • @wombatgirl997
      @wombatgirl997 5 днів тому

      @@nothanks1138 Honestly, that seems fine to me. Over a large enough sample size the probability distribution of the bag method and standard dice rolls would be identical, but the bag method limits the amount of swingyness you can have for good or bad within the specific scenario of a single battle. I know it's not exactly comparable, but Tetris uses a bag system where you are assured to get one of every piece before you get a repeat, and pretty much everyone seems to agree the game is better for it.

  • @SuperHeisan
    @SuperHeisan 5 днів тому

    Hex of Ruin works on ranged attacks! You can put Hex on something and then focus fire it, Get hex of ruin!!

    • @lazygrouse
      @lazygrouse 5 днів тому

      I know, it's great for shooting, and I'll probably get it if we can afford it later. But I was saving some money for later and because we already have thousand mouths which is doing great at range and primal for close combat so we didn't really need it that badly.