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Use quality headphones mate (AirPods or iPhones). The mics are all basically room mics as it’s a John Glyn’s setup, so it sounds exactly as they sound acoustically; pro processing or production.

Actually I do prefer euro birch to maple in most drums and can hear the difference acoustically or more to the point my ears prick up when it’s birch as I like it more.

Hey mate, a stage custom with quality too and bottom heads all around is a great kit and will go a long way for you.

True, they are so musical

@@KillerDrumsTV yes they are

Yeah That would be cool!

Hey mate, the ’80s Tour Customs were birch/mahogany shells, but the 2017 incarnation features 6-ply, 5.6mm all-maple shells. So you’re bang on.

@@KillerDrumsTV was just pointing it out as you may want to edit your description because it says “birch” after Tour Custom :)

Cheers, done. Thanks for the pickup.

Achtung

Ha ha… much like reading your comment I guess. I’m sorry if you think you can only tune a small Tom high and a low Tom low, this is not true at all. A jazz 18” bass drum is generally tuned super high, compared to an 18” rock floor purse. Equally a snare can be tuned super high and super low. But by your complaint, a tympani for example should only be tuned to one note, its fundamental most resonate pitch. Technically higher pitches resonate faster and shorter anyways, so a “most resonate” pitch in a small tom won’t be as resonate as the most resonate note in a larger Tom. That produces a problem for your theory. The truth of the matter whether you know it or not, is that drums operate as a set. Furthermore, a head diameter places a drum in a range of pitches, but that drum’s tension can lift or lower the pitch quite a range, with many sounding great. Equally a super thin shell (and also some timbers) can lower the pitch of a drum well below its range, and equally a thick shell, or a shell with re-rings and harder timber will raise it’s pitch. The reality is that any drum has several resonate pitches, not just one; and necessarily a higher pitch. Food for thought. Thanks for you criticism. Happy tuning.

@@KillerDrumsTV you’re comment doesn’t really compare apples to apples. A 18” drum can get low frequencies /sound but it’ll never reach low enough like 22” 24” etc… even if the shell was thin I down to drop the pitch down. Now if you look at a piano scale the timpani drum is at the far low end of the scale and no matter what you’ll never tune it to the high note of the other end of the scale because the design and large capacity the of the timpani shell is not design to and is beyond it’s capabilities. It’s very poor example you’re trying to point. The only thing that you mention that makes any kind of sense is a thick shell vs. a thinner shell but that’s only part of it. You forgot that the depth of the drum affects the pitch and as well as a drum having smaller diameter like a 13” vs 14” diameter can changed a note higher too. Then you didn’t mention how type of wood can affect the tone of the drum. Not a very good argumentative point from you. My comment still stands as is. Example you can’t get a 8” diameter drum to sound like a12”/13”/14” drum even if you increase the depth of the drum cause now the drum will sound more like “octabon” drums and you’re not gonna get a 13” drum to sound low like a 16” floor tom ,so just stop doing it that just sounds horrible. I’ve got 40 + yrs playing drums so it’s not an opinion it’s an observation of real application.

Sure it does. As a drum maker I can make a 20x8 sound deeper than a 24x20. I have bass drums here from 30” down to 16”, in a variety of depths and the bass drum that is the lowest pitch by far (not because of the heads) is one of my custom 20” x 8”bass drums. You see there are factors at play here that few even have realised, because most drum makers just assemble and make drums designed for profit. Few make drums for sound. Given that, generally you are listening to only the same limited examples of drum made for profit and not instruments, so I can’t expect you to know of other possibilities even with 100 years experience playing drums. I make drum prototypes to test all these notions, so I can manipulate these “fixed ideas” and know how to master their influence. Here’s one experiment you can try yourself at home to raise many points. 1.Get a length of clear 10mm (approx) pvc tubing and squish it into your floor Tom hole air hole. Make sure it tight. 2. Now place the tubing in your mouth. 3. start to play, keep playing, 4. blow as hard as you can and for as long as you can; tell me what happens to the pitch of your drum and why that’s happening. Now ponder how can a drum maker (not assembler) remove that pitch impact from a shell to lower an 8” Tom to sound like a 12” Tom? Maybe watch a few acoustic violin and guitar making videos as they often are showing you exactly that. Remember we are not talking about the feel of a drum as in the difference between playing an 8” Tom to a 16 or 18” Tom, but pitch shifting with in the bounds of a drum heads range. Also, I have not forgotten about the depth of a drum in relation to pitch, depth does not exclusively lower pitch as my 20 x8 is lower in pitch than my 20 x 18, but do you know why? We all have 40+ years experience these days, and observations galore, but many with little understanding about physics and the elements. but I think you may just like tuning drums your way and being rigid is ok if everyone one else likes that too, but on this video you appear to be one in 50,000 that don’t like the sound of the tuning. That likely suggests something worth pondering before you reply. But if you reply please put up some actual audio examples of what you do and don’t like and I’m happy to consider a challenge that make end up in a video for others to compare and comment on. Have a great day.

Hey mate, from memory it was a 22” x 16”. A beautiful set hey!

Absolutely magnificent! I'm thinking about getting myself one... Thanks for the response.@@KillerDrumsTV

Sure Doug, I can fix anything. Killerdrums.TV@gmail.com

A&F get a lot of criticism over price, but if it’s out of a person’s price range what’s the complaint? I’m sure most people think luxury cars are overpriced, and/or are outside most people’s budget, but still luxury brands thrive. They just have a niche customer base that support them and A&F are no different, accept that A&F’s retails are based on cost of sales (remebr it’s made in America) plus fair profit and you have to support that. I love A&F drums personally, they have a sound that really like. But I don’t own any atm, but will be saving. Thanks for your comment.

Thanks man, don’t let the dust distract you.

@@KillerDrumsTV I loved the content and info! The waste on the bench was distracting though! Nice work! Subscribed!

Yeah, it’s a good point. I’m working on a set of teaching videos that are more slick, but you have to pay for the info there. These are free, But I try to make these real and genuine as possible, with diy tools, done in ways that a novice could try with a decent level of success. I have all the high end gear but that’s no fun if you want to have a go and can’t because you don’t have the expert gear to make it so.

Hey mate, a long time ago in Bethlehem, I did an A/B of three methods of wrapping a drum, focused on the seeing if there was a reduction, increase or neutral affect from the method on sustain, tone, and anything else. Tape of any kind had the greatest negative impact as it effectively created an air cavity between the shell and the wrap, much like how it is used in studio walls for sound deadening. The best was a thin film glue film over the entire shell with compression. That said the method I use is contact spray glue on the shell and the wrap. Wait 5 minutes and then bring together and they are glued on contact. In essence I can wrap a drum faster this way than in using tape and you almost can’t tell any tonal difference (in resonance not pitch) between an unwrapped shell of the same thickness and a wrapped shell. There is nothing wrong with tape, but it’s worth noting that wrapped YAMAHA recording custom drums are the most difficult to remove their wraps because of the full contact and type of glue used for drum wraps so to not take away from the shells resonance. Thanks for your comment.

yes I pondered using 3M super 77 all under it all and the 4611 at just the overlap . Looks like that is the winner despite so many that said it would creep in the heat of car in the summer. Bethlehem had a great music store in the 80s called Kempher Music. Bought many Paiste there.

If you’re a little ways away, hang in for my wrapping video. I’ve seen all the ridiculous was people advise how to wrap a drum, but if they were cabinetmakers there is really only one method that is professional; and I’ve reduced that to a diy method with 100% success. Subscribe and it will let you know when it’s up.

@@KillerDrumsTV yes still a few days away from heading into the unknown lol. I refrained from super 77 as it now contains acetone. I went for a high heat polymat 797x spray adhesive good for pvc to wood at 220 degree flash point. Delmar solid color wrap being Pvc wrap. Just watched part 3 again for the 10th time going to sand bearing edges again as I used only 120 grit .... going to rub together as you suggest here to up closer to 200 grit

Penetrol oil dries and can be treated as a primer, meaning you can definitely seal the outer of the shell too. I have a kit here I made back at the millennium (2000) and it’s 100% penetrol inside, outside, edges and also drill holes. It looks almost as good as day one. The byline on the Penetrol can is something like “makes paint stick to anything”. It’s my go to.

100% right on.

Yeah I understand, but a snare stand sucks the tone out of your Tom unless you’re using a snare stand Tom resonance system of sorts or tuning the drum to a resonate pitch. The Tama HTS108W Single Tom Stand is our preferred way.

Camera guy here, thanks for noticing me 😍

These days it’s really hard to make a kit that sounds crap. Of all the variables that negatively impact on a drums sound, I think these days, a bad sound is more likely the drummer, their tuning, or their choice of drumsticks even, rather than a brand of drums.

Hey Dylan, yeah it’s a 500w terror bass, it’s so good and was too loud for the room with quad 10’s on top of a 15. Have a Vase head and 6/10 cab there now. Still just as loud but a little less all encompassing, we CAN’T have the bass player louder than the drummer now can we.

Totally agree.

Hey mate, a great question. The purpose of my video was to see if I can use the exact reinforcement ring that Pearl installed in the exact place, which we did. Normally, I would cut a reinforcement ring out of the shell offcut, or another shell off cut. But this was more an experiment on the fly to try a few things done differently.

Well done mate. They are exception drums.

@@KillerDrumsTV It helps living 20 minutes from the factory 🤣🤣 Awesome work

Quality heads are 70% of the sound and everything else just makes them better or worse, more sustained or more choked. The yammys were a lot of fun. Keen to get some more on the show.

Try a different pair of sticks.

Thanks mate, I appreciate your ears to notice that we try to keep the capture as natural as possible. Thanks for saying.

Couldn't agree more! I have about 20 Drouyn kits and drums and they are all stand outs against every other vintage and modern kit I own.

They sure are mate. Quality gear there, as great sounding as their build quality.

There expensive in the u.s.a but hey,now days everything is.are economy sucks!!!! Praying for better days ahead. I will own a set of these one day.(Founders reserve) I'll take them over anything on the marketplace.!!!!

Yeah, fun to play too. I know of chaos drums but never seen anything myself. I thought they were Asian made and assembled here. But I’ll look into it.

Thanks for your comment @Carltreurnich8482.

Absolutely. I’ve never heard a bad Yamaha anything.

All mics are the same mate.

Thanks Rod, yes crazy times in drum land.

Thanks mate.

I’d say Taiwan, but a tama guy may be able to confirm. These days I’m not so concerned with where drums are made but how they are made and what the quality of the materials are used to make them. MIT 2020 and beyond is not the same as MIT decades ago.

Thank you for your complement. We love what we do, and love doing it. Bless ya, Tony

You may need more than an Austin Healey for street cred, if you’re loading these into your car. Id match them with an a 2020 model Bugatti Atlanta.

I agree,these are rolls Royce of drums.

Hey mate, I use two products. 1. Penetrol oil, which is the best thing for this, also great for chrome as well. www.ppgpaints.com/products/specialty/flood-penetrol-oil-based-paint-additive 2. High grade Paraffin wax: first rubbed on, then using a small cotton piece of cloth rubbing back and forth and around the bearing edge to heat up the wax and coat the edge. This alone, causes the heads to float when played and increases the perception of sustain, because it removes traction of the head on the bearing edge. As such paraffin wax alone improve your drums tone. A great bearing edge brings the best out of your shells and heads. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraffin_wax Hope this helps. Kind regards Tony

one of his videos said it was penetrol ... Apparently it is a wood sealer waterproofing element not just an additive to oil paint . Wonder if there is a special formula or if it is only one type product. Also was interested in his statement about Premier nailing in there beechwood rings instead of glueing also if that were the case were the 45 degree edges already filed as well ? Perhaps they were one piece perfectly fitted no need to bang them into place.

@@KillerDrumsTV I got to thinking that penetrol might be good on the whole inner shell .... this one particular Premier is only 1/8" thick while all the others are 1/4" thick hence the beech re ring add ons . Also considering adding a double sided 3M tape to beef up the fundamental tone too match the other thicker shells. should it be applied to the whole inner shell or just the rings

Yes! I use Penetrol on inside, outside (timber shells) and also it is a metal sealer. People think that metal is non porous, but it is porous and so penetrol seals and protects metal too. I have vintage drums that I penetrol decades ago, and still look great. You can built up coats after dry and use it as a shell finish. It’s seriously the best product around.

Thanks mate, it’s a great drum.

Hey mate, many options are just that. I own this kit and love playing it. I’ve also owned or played nearly every production kit out there. These shells are great, the cherry actually impacts the tone, sound and feel. It’s brighter than maple, as articulate as birch, but has a warmth like mahogany that comes after the initial hit. The lug chrome work is not as good as their higher end kits, and their first edition bass drum legs I didt like; but I love playing this kit and I have every option to select from. So except for the chrome work and bd legs, at this price point there’s not much more that compares considering the shell combination that you get. But let me do a quick sweep in 2024 and see what’s good value for money and best performance. I’ll get back to you. Cheers tony

Thanks, seems like my reply got lost? Yes, please let me know what you happen to know might be better. I got a deal this weekend on the Neo Sonic Black Digital Oyster for 1700 euros instead of 2300 euros... But as I wanted to connect the Evans Sensory Hybrid System a lot of stores told me to just get the cheapest kit I could find and that it would not matter at all as the Evans electronic triggers would not care about the quality of the drums.. But I heard drummers using the Evans hybrid system saying that it does matter a lot how well-tuned the drums are and how they resonate with the Evans sensory Hybrid System... So, really not sure what drums to choose right now... Evans told me over Instagram that what matters most as they see it is to have wide enough drums so that all the 10 zones per drum head will be easy to hit accurately as some zones are pretty small, and a wider drum will make it easier for the drummer to hit them with good accuracy when playing quickly... Have you tested the Evans Sensory Hybrid System on any drumkit? what is your take on this? thanks for getting back! @@KillerDrumsTV

@@KillerDrumsTVLudwig has the elite spurs on the 2.0 (7 ply now).

Hey mate, all examples are mixed as genuinely as possible with minimal eq/compression (if at all) and no effects. So what you hear is what they sound like out of the box, no tricks. But thanks for the complement.

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Yes! Correct. Formica laminate, which is far more sonic than plastic wrap or nitro wrap, which is dead. Formica is highly compressed paper impregnated with phenolic resin.

Thanks a lot!

Not sure about Gibraltar, but they are the same a Dunnett, C&C and most other boutique brand are using. I have the same claws on other kits of mine and are my preferred claw most of the time.

Ha ha, there’s no snare there. But here is a link to the sound test if this kit, and the snare I use here is a Premier Modern Classic 14 x 5 birch mahogany. ua-cam.com/video/qSNOy4hyfEo/v-deo.htmlsi=2HkqpCNjZOd88ftc

Hi, Rogers used “Jasper” shells from the 50's thru about 1962; which were 2 or 3 ply depending on the shell size, with a 2 or 3 ply rering. These shells were maple/poplar/maple. The painted shells usually had a thin outer veneer of mahogany. Rogers switched to “Keller” shells, which were originally 3-ply but standardised to 5-ply within a year or 2. These shells were Maple/birch. This drum is the later. Thanks for your comment.

thank you!

Sure does.

Is it now? LOL

A great choice.

She’s a beauty, isn’t she.