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If you look into the history of behind the scenes tensions going back with Justice League Mortal and Superman Returns and honestly all the way back to on set tensions in Richard Donner’s Superman this death sentence goes way back farther than most people think

Incompetence and desperation from everyone involved killed it

Zach synder? 😮

it was WB that killed it with their stupid creative mismanagement

I think Cyborg was added to JL even in comics just because they didn’t wanted the team to be of all whites, just there for diversity. Even before he was part of JL John Stewart was the Green Lantern instead of Hal Jordan.

This video exposé reminds me of "who killed cinema". Good replica for the DCEU

Snyder was only going to do 5 movies showing a Superman arc similar to Nolan's Batman. That was the point. WB forced it into a cinematic universe that Snyder never planned for.

Conclusion: it's the producers and their apathy, and just wanting a paycheck

Same thing with Cavill. You have a superstar that loves playing the character and you threw him to the curve After telling him announce your back after Black Adam! Dbag moves!!

Dwayne Johnson’s ego clash didnt help either.

Great video dude. I assumed you had 100ks sub.

Marvel.

The DCEU has been finished since Aquaman 2, Superman movie is the start for the DCU

You said it!!! Thats what happened. 1 Superman movie, No batman movie and 3 Harley movies!! Stop blaming Zack!! Love or hate his movies they were successful. His daughter dying was a Travesty!! Instead of givin him time, they replaced him!!! DBag move!!!

This video is wrong!

I mean MCU has made retcons along the way. Gunn has said that the scene where The Justice League showed up isn't canon, AT LEAST not this new universe. As much of a flop The Flash movie was, it made a good thing to keep in mind, that MCU did with The XMen movies, and the Spider-man movies. Make them canon, but in a shared Multiverse, or if you wanna use DC terms, maybe think of Snyderverse as Earth-2 and this is Earth-1. In Earth 1 and Earth 2 both had next to exatly the same same things happen with their Suicide Squad and Peacemaker. But in Earth-2 the Justice league showed up, and in Earth 1 they didn't.

It’s really not that bad, they actually did well in retrospect. It’s no one’s fault, this video is silly and dumb and I wish he’d just steer into that instead of pretending this nonsense is real. The internet tends to see things as pass or fail… as either amazing or so-called “trash” (even though nothing is trash, there is some kind of value in everything to someone). This is always dumb… as it is dumb to blame someone for something that isn’t blamable. Some films didn’t work the way they wanted them to so they changed directions and ended the through line. I don’t agree with many of his assessments critically but that’s fine, what isn’t is his assumptions of fault… also there are far too many reference videos. Bottom line, getting to make a movie is a rare feat so the fact that they 15 (16 if you count Zack Snyder’s Justice League as a separate movie from Justice League) is a big win. Also, we will still see movies from DC Comics… they aren’t going anywhere, so what’s the controversy or the fear? Keeping The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker in the DCU when they originally for the DCEU is NOT confusing. Please STOP pretending that Marvel did anything calculated to oppose DC films… Marvel couldn’t care less. This stuff is fan logic BS.

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This is a fantastic video

James Gunn put it best when he said "The Suicide Squad and Peace Maker S1 are unreliable retellings of actual DCU events" So whatever timeline and character beats from TSS and PeaceMaker they reference is what's canon

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I’m only in the very beginning… ( I love deep lore style videos) I’m going to say something. Before I watch it. WB “ Board Room” or The corporation itself. Has a track record of getting a great group together writing. Director crew ( just to find ways to get involved with the project they find ways to undermine their project????WB and SONY both seem to do this. ) Alright now I’m going back to the video

Snyder is a Teenager who likes gore because he thinks that is "Adult Stuff"

Zac Snyder should take most of the blame. He and his wife were given the keys to the kingdom with BVS, but did not have the ability, talent, intelligence or understanding to execute a successful franchise, the Snyder's failures carried on through the entire universe because of poor hiring, poor vision, poor writing, poor world building.

Earrape warning for headphone users at 13:22 for some reason Doesn’t even seem intentional, seems more like an editing mistake

People who blame Snyder don’t actually know the entire issue with the Dceu. Plus, while the guy has made some bad movies (rebel moon, sucker punch, etc) he is not a “talentless hack”. It’s like you guys see snyder’s name and just automatically write it off as complete garbage

DCEU died due to the same problem currently plaguing the MCU: a lack of consistency and a forward plan. Every other problem either contributes and/or is the result. A cinematic Universe needs to have a consistent quality so that your audience knows what they're getting into. They don't need to all be perfect, just good enough. MCU phase 1-3 at their worst were just okay/mediocre. I can't really call any of them bad. Meanwhile the DCEU still had good films, Wonder Woman (2017), but it also had god awful films like Suicide Squad (2017). A cinematic Universe is expensive to produce. If your audience don't know if your films are going to be good or bad, the less inclined. Just look at how much the DCEU's box office had declined over the years. Even films which would of done well if they released a few years earlier, Blue Beetle, struggled to make a profit. However, the DCEU could of been salvaged if they had a better forward plan. The Infinity Saga was all about building up towards Thanos and the Infinity Stones. Each film felt tied and connected to each other. What happened in one film affects or will affect the rest of the Universe. That can't be said for the DCEU. How much do the events of Black Adam and Shazam impact the rest of the DCEU? Superman shows up for a post credit scene? The DCEU never felt truly connected. At best, they'll cameo but it never feels as they all truly belong to the same world. If they had a better forward plan than audiences might of been willing to excuse the duds so long as the payoff is good.

I remember qhen the justice league teailer dropped with Icky Thunk by the white Stripes over it. The mismatch was unreal. I was sitting there like... This is the worst attempt to make a movie fun that I've ever seen

Suicide Squad 2016 should be considered a crime against good editing

Hey nothing against adhd+autistic speedsters, being one myself I love seeing every Marty McFly (good luck unseeing that, he was the beginning of it all) in Film, allthough Flash because of the speed force is the only speedster who absolutely shouldn't have adhd, because his time is allways syncronized with his concious which should give him a calm presence, but still, I like seeing unfocused heros and not even real life bad actors will convince me otherwise.

Joss Whedon’s joke writing for Justice League should be considered a war crime. 2017’s Justice League is the worst comic book movie of all time (with or without the behind the scenes stories)

I will always flag any play that tries to act like Patty Jenkins was pushed to quit. I do agree with your overall assessment, it something we knew from day one. The studio wanted to copy Marvel and forgot they had to plan things out and try to introduce their characters in a smart way. I also blame them for hiring the man I blame the most next, which is Snyder. I would have never used him, he doesn't know how to tell interpersonal stories. At least Nolan knew how to do that. Also, I think Justice League would have flopped has his version gone out. I lay zero blame on Weeden. Weeden was brought in it hack that movie to pieces and try to salvage it on a tight budge all while dealing with a bunch of prissy, spoiled actors, and his career was destroyed for it, partly by Patty Jenkins. Recall, Jenkins had complete creative control over 1984. All the decisions in that movie were hers. That movie would had flopped regardless of when it was released. I met no one who liked it. In fact, as it turns out, it was studio interference that made the previous film good, not her direction. And if you look at Jenkins and Snyder's post DCEU work, I think it stands for itself. Also, Gunn, he just pulled the plug on what was already dead.

Not to be too technical but I just gotta say a couple things. 1) the Snyder cut is actually considered the canon one. If you look at every movie afterwards (and interviews with patty Jenkins and James Wan) you’d see that Snyder’s is the canon version 2) the Snyder cut is long yeah, but it was just because it was his last Dceu movie and he wanted to show everything he could 3) WB is most to blame. If they didn’t try to copy marvel then it woulda gone fine

The Man of Steel 3rd act criticisms are stupid. If you can accept the Avengers final battle then you should be able to stomach the Man of Steel ending

Where is Hamada and Emmerich???

I mean... the DCEU was never alive imo so, sweet. I thought Man of Steel sucked ass and they got mostly worse from there. WB screwed the DC movies so hard. Like... if you're going to do what Marvel did, then *do what Marvel did!* Don't do like, a weird rushed version of what Marvel and skip to your teamup. You mis-categorized counter-programming a bit. Counter-programming is when you release a film completely opposite to the target audience of a large film releasing at that same time - like releasing a girly rom com at the same time as a big action movie. Both are released at the same time because they target different demographics, so they'll have less competition. It isn't counter-programming to release a similar movie around the same time in an attempt to draw audiences off that other, similar movie. What Marvel did was just confidently release their movie because at this point they were pretty much in their "Woooo I am untouchable" phase. It was never a doubt who would win. Sometimes it even synergizes, like with Barbenheimer. The most successful counter-programming of all time.

I recommend watching Nerd's video where he interwiews the writers. They're not cut out for portraying Tolkein's world.

Hm, I gonna say Dwayne "The paper" Johnson, did I win? What did I win?

Gunn said pretty much everything except the justice league cameo is canon, i assume in season 2 theyll say peacemaker just had a concussion and imagined it or smth

I'm so glad that travesty is over

WB killed the DCEU

I was just getting ready to comment that you had left the real killers of the DCEU off your list but then you got to them at the end. I agree 100% - the people in charge of DC at WB have been expertly shooting themselves in the foot all along.

I remember around that time we also had an oversaturation of DC characters. We had Gotham, Gotham knights, everything on CW.

Don't try blaming Dwayne. He wanted to purchase rights to the DCU and redo alot of the flaws it already had. The movies prior to it were good but their rush to bring the Justice League together was a screw job. Bad timing & promoting. The ending to Adam with Superman gave fanatics hope. Gunn DCU is going to be weird AF.

Snyder and WB, mostly. Wonderwoman 1 and Aquaman were very well received, and they were like the anthesis of Snyder's dour style. Snyder's obsession with being edgy and deconstructive definitely did set the wrong tone for the rest of the franchise, and WB being frustratingly greedy by wanting to make Marvel money without doing the Marvel work and then through their ineptitude by not being able to salvage the mess left behind.

Henry should return in the new continuity as a Kingdom Come Superman cameo

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