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Pilot Career Earnings: The Impact of Slow vs. Fast Progression at Legacy Airlines
How much money can you lose or gain from a slow career vs. a fast career? In this video, we explore the financial impact of career progression speeds for pilots at legacy airlines. Join me as we dive into detailed scenarios comparing the earnings of pilots at three different airlines over a 40-year career. We'll examine the effects of airline growth, stagnation, and contraction on career earnings, and provide a comprehensive look at fleet, seat, and base seniority.
I'm Aaron Mathis, a First Officer on the 757 & 767 at United, a pilot interviewer, and a volunteer Aviate Coach. On the Pilot Pulse Channel, I aim to provide insightful data and analysis to help you understand the aviation industry better.
In this video, you'll find:
* A breakdown of career progression at different airlines
* An analysis of United Airlines' current growth pattern
* Comparisons of earnings over different career lengths
* Insights into the importance of choosing the right airline at the right time
* United Airlines current base, fleet and seat seniority
Join me as I present data-driven insights and practical information for aspiring and current pilots.
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The views and opinions expressed in this video are solely my own and do not reflect the official policies, opinions or position of any airline or my employer. This content is provided for informational purposes only and is not intended as legal, career, or professional advice.
Music by Artlist IO
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2024 SENIORITY RACE: U.S. Airline Pilot Hiring Trends
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Join us on Pilot Pulse Channel as we break down the 2024 pilot market forecast, exploring seniority and hiring trends at major U.S. airlines. Whether you're an aspiring pilot or an aviation enthusiast, this video offers a comprehensive look at what to expect in the industry by the end of the year. Don’t forget to subscribe for more insights and updates on navigating a successful aviation career...
2024 PILOT HIRING FORECAST: Major Shake-Ups And What They Mean For Aspiring Pilots
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Explore the latest trends in pilot hiring for 2024 with Aaron Mathis, a seasoned First Officer and aviation industry expert. In this episode of Pilot Pulse Channel, we dissect the hiring forecasts of major US airlines, including United, American, Delta, and UPS. Learn about the significant changes and what they mean for your career in the skies. Whether you're aspiring to become a pilot or look...
Taking Off Again: UPS's New Pilot Hiring Strategy and What It Means for Aviators
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Join me as we explore the significant new pilot hiring announcement from UPS Airlines and its implications for the aviation industry. With UPS setting new benchmarks for pilot qualifications and opening career opportunities amidst contrasting industry trends, this video is a must-watch for aspiring pilots and aviation professionals. Learn how these developments could influence your career traje...
Impact of Airline Furloughs on the Hiring Landscape
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In this video, we delve deep into the recent announcement from Spirit Airlines regarding the furlough of 260 pilots and the broader implications this has for the airline industry and aspiring pilots. Join us as we break down the effects of these furloughs, from the immediate impact on the pilots at Spirit to the increased competition across the industry for positions at legacy carriers. What Yo...
New FAA Data & Airline closes its doors: What it means for your hiring chances
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This Video discusses the implications of an airline ceasing operations and how a massive number of newly issued CFI & ATP certificates will crowd the space for applicants trying to get hired at a Major or Legacy carrier and how to avoid falling into some pitfalls when it comes to circumnavigating these trying times. Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this video are solely my own an...
Pilot Oversupply Crisis: CEOs Reveal Surprising Shift
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April 2nd Industry update: 2 airline CEO's make comments regarding the shifting tide of the airline industry with regards to hiring adjustments and shifting needs. This is a breakdown of what those things are and what they mean to airline pilots; current and future. I also go public with a major announcement that I'm super excited about! Music: Artlist IO
SKY-HIGH TO GROUNDED: The Startling Slowdown in Pilot Hiring for 2024 Revealed..
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February paints a telling picture of the pilot hiring landscape and indicates some very negative trends, however there is still light at the end of the tunnel and aviation is taking the spotlight front and center for the worse currently. Music by Artlist IO
FUTURE CHANGES TO HIRING REQUIREMENTS???
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This video attempts to answer the very complicated explanation of the scenario where we have the airline pilot hiring industry making its first downturn (non Covid related) in almost 5 years. I attempt to summarize the main events that have led us to this distinct point in history and explain what the trends are and where we are going int he future.

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  • @robertmontgomery7868
    @robertmontgomery7868 3 дні тому

    What a fantastic video. I’m always asking my son (he started at your airline about a year ago) many questions that this video answers. He’s based at IAD.

  • @Goldeneyepilot
    @Goldeneyepilot 15 днів тому

    I got hired as an Ameriflight captain. Is the UPS pathway good? I have a 4 year aviation degree

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel 13 днів тому

      It certainly can’t hurt! Pathways are always great to have! I consider it career insurance.

  • @slamandgo
    @slamandgo 28 днів тому

    Is it possible to get hired with 135 PIC time or do they prefer 121?

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel 22 дні тому

      During 2022-2023 it was possible due to the shortage of qualified pilots, however I believe most of the 135 hiring has dried up. 121 time will always be the gold standard.

  • @user-kh7mm2he8b
    @user-kh7mm2he8b Місяць тому

    Great video Sir, well done!

  • @ferditayfur9096
    @ferditayfur9096 Місяць тому

    Hi Pilot Pulse, Does UA allow Pilots to have a short trimmed beard due to Religious reasons such as Canada , Emirates, Qatar, Hawaii and almost all the other Cargo companies? just wonder because due to Religious reasons i cant shave my beards. if you can answer would be so nice thank you.

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel 22 дні тому

      I’m not positive and I can’t speak on behalf of UAL, however I believe most airlines take religious concerns on a case by case scenario. That is all I know. Sorry I can’t be of better help.

    • @ferditayfur9096
      @ferditayfur9096 21 день тому

      @@PilotPulseChannel I see, Thanks for responding it means a lot. And please if you have any update for the Legacy by this to pick please make a video about it. Im sure many pilots waiting such a news from airliners.

  • @duncanroebuck89
    @duncanroebuck89 Місяць тому

    Hi all, I am seeking advice. I am a British national and hope to have a green card in a year or so. I have about 15,500 hours on mostly 737/777 and about 200 on the 787. Once I have a green card I hope to live and work in the US. I am finding the US job market very difficult to navigate largely due to the 1000 hour requirement. Is there any way “around” this requirement or at least a short cut of sorts for someone in my position? I am 50 years old. Thanks for any info or tips.

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel 22 дні тому

      Once reaching the ability to work in the USA, you will need to attain an FAA ATP/multi engine land certificate. Then you can apply to USA air carriers. Your previous time won’t qualify you for a captain position but you can get hired as an FO, then after 1000 hours in the right seat, you will be eligible to upgrade.

    • @duncanroebuck89
      @duncanroebuck89 21 день тому

      @@PilotPulseChannel thanks, I understand that. I am really enquiring as to wether there are any short cuts such as operators that are so keen to get experienced people in that they are willing to offer enhanced T&Cs to suitably qualified pilots as they work to get the 1000 hours as an FO. Basically is any company paying FOs a captains salary if they are already high on hours and only really need the 1000 of 121 hours.

  • @agoogleuser2369
    @agoogleuser2369 Місяць тому

    Can't forget compounding interest to the 401K as well!

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel 22 дні тому

      Very true, however due to it being so speculative, I just decided to omit that and just use the base case scenario.

  • @Alexlezam2008
    @Alexlezam2008 Місяць тому

    After finished aviation college do you go to regional airlines or straight to commercial.

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel 22 дні тому

      You enter a time building phase until reaching 1000-1500 total hours then apply to regional airlines.

  • @sehassenhiru
    @sehassenhiru Місяць тому

    Incredible keep it up with good content sad to see bro is underrated

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel 22 дні тому

      Thank you!!! Starting small and growing responsibly!

  • @SuperAirplanemaster
    @SuperAirplanemaster Місяць тому

    This is just a theory I don’t know how true this is, but I have a feeling after Boeing gets there aircraft with their quality safety issues same for airbus. I think the pilot hire is going to pick up again.

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel 22 дні тому

      I believe this to be very true. There are still several years of great pilot hiring left in this decade, just not in the next 6-9 months.

  • @keremkoray777
    @keremkoray777 Місяць тому

    Well done! Was so informative. Thank you for all the work...

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel 22 дні тому

      Thank you so much!! I appreciate the kind words. I’m doing my best to increase my upload tempo.

  • @sociopathicnarcissist8810
    @sociopathicnarcissist8810 Місяць тому

    Your advice towards the end of the video pretty much mirrors the issues that I have found in the IT Technical arena (meaning the IT guys that actually do the work, as apposed to the wankers in sales, marketing and management). I'm in my 60's now and have found that you have to be watching and reading industry press all the time to see where the next wave is to catch and profit from. ie, I went from Army to PC Support in the 80's to the first IPX/SPX Novell networks about 1990 then Server management and working through the windows servers to discovering CISCO and becoming a network expert and then ending for the past 10 years in Cyber Security Blue and Red teams. The budding Pilot needs to get on board with all of the rapid advances that small scale electrics are bringing to the industry let alone the work that Boom is doing.

  • @Alex-vm2ne
    @Alex-vm2ne Місяць тому

    Fantastic

  • @monocogenit1
    @monocogenit1 Місяць тому

    Thanks for the video. Could you do this for the regionals?

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      I’ve been looking into it but it’s actually very difficult to find this data for the regionals since their retirement data is not posted. That leaves the attrition numbers completely to speculation and lacks creditability, thus I’ve been shying away from trying to do it.

  • @reymondbaez4052
    @reymondbaez4052 Місяць тому

    Thank You very much for this video . I am currently a wannabe pilot 34 years young living In New York City . Do you think I have a chance to become a captain for United even though I am just starting out ??? I have minimal money and I planning on joining an airline In another role to try and get Into a flight school yea I know a whole lot what do you think overall ??? Thank You again

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      Yes I absolutely believe you have all the chances in the world of becoming a United pilot and Captain if that’s your goal especially in the current environment. It’s very possible with hard work, dedication and loads of commitment and self motivation . I strongly encourage you to pursue it if it’s truly a dream. Just don’t do it for the money or you will never make It, only to find yourself giving up and much poorer following training.

  • @chicharonbuyakyak
    @chicharonbuyakyak Місяць тому

    Hi! Another Aviate question. My friend is wondering if she gets accepted for Aviate through the professional training entry point, but will be taking her commercial through a Part 61 school will that disqualify her from Aviate?

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      It is my understanding that training (once accepted) should be completed by only aviate affiliate school. I could be wrong but thats my understanding and I feel very confident in that. I would suggest extreme caution when walking on the bounds of the rules, because a candidate wont find themselves going through the final review board until all requirements are met with 2200+ hours at an affiliate regional and waiting to get a class date at UAL. Only then would it be discovered that said person has been ineligible since they took their commercial, thus preventing them from being accepting to UAL.

    • @chicharonbuyakyak
      @chicharonbuyakyak Місяць тому

      @@PilotPulseChannel Thank you! Will let her know!

  • @UnbeatenPath1
    @UnbeatenPath1 Місяць тому

    Take the first job you get from the legacies, and dont look back. You'll never be able to pick and choose a legacy carrier ever again like over the past 2 years

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      It seems that this is the place we are “landing”. Different times than that of 2022-2023 but it emphasizes the importance of experience and professional growth.

  • @skinimus
    @skinimus Місяць тому

    Erin, great video. What are competitive mins for retired mil with heavy fixed wing time and some part 121 737 time?

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      It sounds to me like you are competitive as it sits. Competitive right now looks like (on an average basis) 1000+ total turbine pic time or 2000 turbine time. Most important thing since you are retired is that your currency is decent. Like 100 hours in the last 12 months.

    • @skinimus
      @skinimus Місяць тому

      @PilotPulseChannel Many thanks. I'm at ~1125 mil hours (turbine multi) now and ~425 B737 121 time... but only ~275 hours of KC135 (B707) PIC.

  • @Karston_
    @Karston_ Місяць тому

    I have a class A misdemeanor conviction on my record from ~10 years ago. No trouble at all since. What are my chances of getting hired on with an airliner?

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      Good as long as no other offenses within last 10 years and have shown professional growth since the occurrence. This includes speeding tickets (ability to follow directions when nobody is watching)

  • @user-ev7fy4tl3z
    @user-ev7fy4tl3z Місяць тому

    Yet I’m still missing flights do to no pilots 😂

  • @topofthegreen
    @topofthegreen Місяць тому

    Get ready for collage degree requirements across the board, and higher hour requirements. The pilot shortage is over.

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      I would t necessarily say it’s over but times are definitely about to become more competitive.

  • @boyousef544
    @boyousef544 Місяць тому

    Good luck

  • @swordoflorn
    @swordoflorn Місяць тому

    “You wasted your money, time, and dreams on this.” Thats all I heard.

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      Not true at all. The end of the decade is going to be a turning point for people looking for a career. Get in now while the going is good. But if you’re looking for an excuse to not try to get into professional aviation you will always find one.

  • @evansemerad
    @evansemerad Місяць тому

    Heyyyy you made the video haha great one!

  • @0100page
    @0100page Місяць тому

    Mind sharing the spreadsheets so I can imput the numbers for Delta? Also AA and SW just stagnated for the rest of the year and have some major problems ahead. I figure at least two more big downturns in next 20-30 years so I would lean towards the worst case scenario you mapped out. Thanks for all the hard work to let me know my career change and investment is going to most likely work out!

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      I’m glad this helped you map things out! I would say being a “glass half full person” if I were advising my family member, I would say plan on average, middle of the road in my “nominal” progression. I don’t foresee furloughs a long way out but certainly, planning for worst case scenario is always the safest and anything more than that is just a free-bee.

  • @brandoncenteno1834
    @brandoncenteno1834 Місяць тому

    How does a leadership position within a professional organization like LPA look like?

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      Always looks good, but be careful. Having a professional organization and not actually doing anything meaningful besides paying the dues actually looks really bad. Just my .02

    • @brandoncenteno1834
      @brandoncenteno1834 Місяць тому

      @@PilotPulseChannel oh I believe that. I am latino myself - this is going to be a lifelong thing for me.

  • @mariomarino6569
    @mariomarino6569 Місяць тому

    Thank you for making this video! This is probably the most informative video I’ve found on pilot pay and career earnings. I just crossed 100 hours on the long journey to the airlines. It’s a second career for me and best case scenario I’ll have 30 years at a legacy. This video really helped me think through what those different scenarios would mean. Keep up the great work!

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      Thanks so much for the feedback!! I have some good ideas for the future so be sure to stay tuned and I’ll be sure to keep the updates coming and cover different topics along the way. Good luck with your journey, and congratulations on your success so far! I always tell people, the hardest part of any challenge (and especially in aviation) is starting and you are well on your way!

  • @melodyn6419
    @melodyn6419 Місяць тому

    How to save money on training?can you analyze regional airlines too?

  • @melodyn6419
    @melodyn6419 Місяць тому

    How to save money on training?

  • @laurensfaber
    @laurensfaber Місяць тому

    Using a 40 year career is the ultimate pointer you are young. Over the last 40 years the average legacy career has been 30 years. People getting hired at 25 is definitely an anomaly.

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      5 to 40 years is an all encompassing age range designed to inform people of all ages.

    • @robertmontgomery7868
      @robertmontgomery7868 3 дні тому

      My now 24 year old went to the same airline at 23. I am still amazed at his accomplishments considering his attitude at 15 years old. My apologies for bragging a bit, but sometimes I can’t help myself. 😊

  • @larrydugan1441
    @larrydugan1441 Місяць тому

    Will put together. You did a great favor to aspiring pilots by showing the importance of seniority and opportunity cost. It is diffícult to understand from the outside.

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      I’m glad this was helpful for you! Stay tuned for more like it in the future!

    • @larrydugan1441
      @larrydugan1441 Місяць тому

      @@PilotPulseChannelI am a retired 777 guy so I had a resonable idea about seniority. Your extensive work is particularly helpful to those deciding to become pilots and why it is important to just get it done. Great to see the growth at United.

  • @brandoncenteno1834
    @brandoncenteno1834 Місяць тому

    Awesome video! I began flying in 2020 before I had any idea what all this seniority stuff meant. I’m currently at a ULCC flying an A320 and have my app out at UA. Ultimately the reason for UA for me is QoL, base (west coast) presence, and growth. I am currently not competitive (first airline) but hoping to be competitive for a position within a few years. My own “numbers games” with UA growth look surprisingly similar to yours! Hoping to be a 737 LAX typed FO come 2026 for UA. Chasing those tailwinds as you say. Awesome video :) Side note - it seems competitive is about 1000 hours turbine / 2500-3000 total time. PIC preferred? How do you see these competitive numbers evolving as their growth plans take hold? Does it hurt, help, or neither that I’m applying from a ULCC as opposed to an aviate regional?

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      Congrats on all your successes! Might be seeing you in the 737 soon 👀. Competitive is +1000 turbine PIC, with around 5,000 TT as an average from what I’m seeing but that does vary up and down circumstantially so anything is possible. I’m. It quite sure how the plans will develop but just assuming supply/demand, as we need more and more pilots with concurrence of the deliveries, it seems possible that those minimums can drop, but if nobody else in the industry is hiring, it could continue going up. It’s a very economics based answer and I’m certainly not an economist, haha. I would say, you won’t know if you made the right decision or not until you find yourself at the dream job. I would say as of now it makes no difference. The only thing that concerns me is how long it may take you to get 1000 Turbine PIC in the long run where you could (in most cases) get turbine PIC much faster traditionally at a regional, or Aviate partner. However, your deck cards are pretty much set in stone at this point so I wouldn’t waste your time looking back. Just make the best of your current situation and do everything you can to continue growing and building upon your career. Hope to see you across the deck one day! Best of luck!

    • @brandoncenteno1834
      @brandoncenteno1834 Місяць тому

      @@PilotPulseChannel luckily junior upgrade is 1 year and 4 months and with 42 aircraft to be delivered next year, I think it’ll continue to drop. Thanks for the response.

  • @normanbuchanan6460
    @normanbuchanan6460 Місяць тому

    I had heard that the regionals have paused hiring for FO. Please do a video on if it is now hard to find a FO position at 1500 hours

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      Not true. There are several regionals still hiring. Apply to them all!

  • @Ripinpeace47
    @Ripinpeace47 Місяць тому

    Great vid!! Any chance to get your quick take on DL & AA to see if comparable career progression can be made at the other legacies, or would UA offer much greater gains? With that do you think United Next will overshadow DL/AA growth plan pilot group wise? Again well done 👌🏼

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      Currently as it stands, UAL has faster progression by retirements after 2027 and a much larger order book than AA, the next closest. DL isn’t showing much signs of growth in the future. UAL is definitely the best place to be by career progression and and growth to offer the fastest career progression as it currently stands. That’s not me being biased, it’s based on data.

  • @jamesdean9957
    @jamesdean9957 Місяць тому

    Taxes brother… we end up paying almost 55%. ALPA gets their dues, Health Insurance costs, and state taxes. Don’t forget NJ gets a pound of flesh come April and that’s a fraction of what my buddy pays to NYC as a 737 captain, even though he lives in Florida. Also remember that life gets in the way.. especially after you upgrade. Being a captain isn’t easy and not everyone can do it. When I was a junior captain at my airline, it was tough. Glad I married the gal I did. Training a captain is exponentially more difficult and demands way more time from you. Sure the pay was alright once you get there but for years I couldn’t bid for a schedule I could control. These numbers assume you take the very first upgrade in any base. If you have kids in SFO but your upgrade is in IAH… that commute/schedule will ruin a family and your QoL. What happens if we hit a downturn and you are commuting to reserve or get knocked back to the right seat. These factors usually cause pilots to delay an upgrade for 1-3 years after they can hold the jet in the base they want. True right now the airlines seem to be growing at a rate that is almost double the attrition. The numbers presented here are well explained and look to be accurate but there is no caution in this tale. In 2001/2008/2019 nobody saw what those years had in coming. All I’m saying is don’t make the decision to jump into this career based on a presumption you’ll make 777 captain in 25 years from the day you start flight training. You could do all the work in flight school and not get the job when offered the interview. When I went through the process… it took years and thousands of hours to get looked at. Networking, volunteering, a 4 year college degree and job fairs were all required. I’m not bitter because of my path and I’m happy for anyone to escape what I went through. Just remember the airlines can flip a switch and bring it all back tomorrow. Don’t be fooled by the money. Taxes and life get in the way.

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      @jamesdean9957 Your absolutely correct, but life getting in the way is exactly that, its life. You will face challenges weather you're a cab driver, airline pilot or CEO so those things didn't really factor in for me. Taxes will always be taken as well, such is life. If you're making money, your paying taxes and I agree, I hate paying 55-60% taxes but its a fact of life, and I dont think that anyone with a social security would be surprised about being taxed alot for making good money. Not going to disagree either that hiring minimums have dropped significantly in the past couple decades but theres much momentum currently for someone to be able to start flight training and pursue this profession and should (in theory) be able to find themself at a Legacy with much less resistance than your personal example, but now I'll quote myself from this video "the Titanic was unsinkable". The only point I hoped to convey is that the risk to reward ratio is much much lower than the 2000's and with that, theres no reward with no risk. Thanks for the comment! I enjoyed reading your perspective and I don't disagree with anything you said. It actually gave me an idea for a future video too... "How much money will you pay in taxes during an airline career". But personally, I'm not sure I'm ready to know the answer! Haha!

    • @jamesdean9957
      @jamesdean9957 Місяць тому

      @@PilotPulseChannel I appreciate the research you do when putting the videos together. It is keeping an old dog’s ear to the rail. Tell em to avoid the forums. That is a dark and dirty place.

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      @@jamesdean9957 ironically, this video ended up there 🤣

    • @TSG-td3jr
      @TSG-td3jr Місяць тому

      ​@@PilotPulseChannelpilots pay 55-60% taxes in the US?

  • @BlueOceanSky
    @BlueOceanSky Місяць тому

    Truly, if you got hired in 2021-2022, the beginning of this wave, you stand to make incredible seniority progression. Getting hired now, you’ll continuously be progressing behind a wall of 5000 plus pilots for the entirety of your career, for someone of average NH age (~mid to upper 30’s). That in of itself is career stagnation. Sure you can make 756 captain in a few years, but there’s a reason why those seats can be so junior, nobody wants it. Junior reserve ain’t no picknick. If you take the junior captain position in 2027 after several thousand pilots were hired just before you in short order, you’ll be sitting at the bottom of the seniority list in that seat position for a large portion of your career. Still, being a junior legacy captain is a pretty good job to have. Hopefully travel demand stays strong. United’s profitability is partly down to not retiring planes. When the competition gets their supply back up, margins will erode, especially in core international markets for United (Europe/asia). International flying problems won’t grow any further, if anything contract. Domestically, United has been the smallest of the big 4. Growing in the face of competition is never a guarantee, and basing your seniority progression off of company growth is never certain.

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      I agree with you that being behind those 5,000-6,000 pilots can appear daunting. However, that cannot be unchanged nor do I believe that should be looked at as a reason to not pursue the career because yes, that many pilots is a large number, but as a percentage of the total pilot group after 10 more years of expected growth, its a very small percentage and seniority percentage is what matters for progression. You can gain seniority much faster through growth than through natural retirement attrition, so for the last few years it has been incredible. Also, with the 756 Captain situation, yes some dont desire it, but if you dont want it, you dont have to take it and thats the beautiful thing about this industry. Once your in it everything is a choice, "to each, their own" . I also agree that basing career growth from airline growth is never certain and I'll quote myself from the video "The Titanic was unsinkable". But, if you have to put all your eggs in one basket and bet everything on where to go? I'd put my bets on the growing airline since I dont consider myself an economist or accountant. Every man's gotta know his limitations and definitely know mine. Thanks for the comments! I Enjoy the discussion and also enjoy hearing others opinions. Safe flying!!

    • @BlueOceanSky
      @BlueOceanSky Місяць тому

      @@PilotPulseChannel I agree. If I was a new, looking to make the leap to mainline, i'd still go with a legacy carrier that fits primarily with where you want to live. Beyond that, the airlines that have a clear and rational path towards growth would come second.. but that's just my opinion. Let's keep in mind that the hiring wave we've experienced in the last few years has been the biggest in the history of this industry. This is a relatively new phenomenon to have folks climb the seniority latter behind 5,000 people for the majority of the career. If the United Next growth projections happen SUCCESSFULLY, then it'll work out. success is a big maybe for a variety of reasons...

  • @mil5606
    @mil5606 Місяць тому

    Very informative. I start the academy in Goodyear, AZ this September at the ripe age of 48. If I progressed fairly well towards my minimums with Aviate, would I be looking at 2028 as my hiring year?

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      I would say that by starting at Goodyear in September, making it to UAL by 2028 isn't impossible but it may be challenging to pull off by then. You're assuming it will take 1.5 years to complete the program then 2.5 years to get your 1500 hours and then give 2700 hours to a partner regional. I like to say, "Aim high and miss but never aim low and hit the target". Also, go in with reasonable expectations. I say, 1.5 years to get the program completion, 1.5 years to get 1500 hours (assuming 100 hours per month of time building), then about 4-5 years to complete 2700 hours at a partner regional. Use that number then do everything in your power to beat yourself at your own race. Good luck with your journey!! -Aaron

  • @benh2134
    @benh2134 Місяць тому

    Incredible man! Crazy research to come up with all this and break it down. Ben

  • @theisraelplayz5605
    @theisraelplayz5605 Місяць тому

    Awesome video. Very informative

  • @roam849
    @roam849 Місяць тому

    Can you add a link to share the spreadsheets?

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      No link, but please feel free to screen-shot whatever you like from the video.

  • @robertthomas2032
    @robertthomas2032 Місяць тому

    Amazing video brother! We all greatly appreciate the time and effort it took to crunch those numbers. Great information there! Especially for us older student pilots.

  • @mannygathers2114
    @mannygathers2114 Місяць тому

    Excellent day at crunch g Aaron! Appreciate the rays of hope as I progress thru flight training. Looking forward to flying with you in the friendly skies. Manny

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      Congrats on all of your success!! Keep plugging away!

  • @YAJBEATSofficial
    @YAJBEATSofficial Місяць тому

    this is amazing man, awesome work!

  • @jasonjohnston94
    @jasonjohnston94 Місяць тому

    I had to rewind and listen again when you gave the date of 1/21/27. I’m 52 years old and just getting started with 8.6 hours so far in my logbook, but lessons are scheduled four days a week and are three hour blocks. I’d do more if I could, but 2027 is about the time frame I might reach ATP hours or sooner. I’m starting late but trying to catch up. I live 90 minutes away from IAH so United would be a wonderful legacy carrier to work at while still staying in my native Texas.

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      You have done the hardest part now, which is starting! Congrats to you and keep pushing forward. I’ve hired people that are 63 so you have so much career left! Good luck!!

  • @jacobdoore3973
    @jacobdoore3973 Місяць тому

    Phenomenal!

  • @chicharonbuyakyak
    @chicharonbuyakyak Місяць тому

    Hi! How can I prepare for my United Aviate interview?

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      Imagine you’re sitting down for your last check ride. That is the level of knowledge that we expect you to have. Also, be ready to answer some tell me about a time questions.

    • @chicharonbuyakyak
      @chicharonbuyakyak Місяць тому

      @@PilotPulseChannel thank you!

  • @melodyn6419
    @melodyn6419 Місяць тому

    That's why don't find a job with spirit in the beginning

  • @rowleywalsh
    @rowleywalsh Місяць тому

    G’day from Australia! I’ve got 2500 hours and am currently an FO on a regional jet in Australia. I have dual citizenship with the US. If I get my FAA ATP, what are my chances on getting into a legacy airline? Would love to hear your opinion. Thanks for making great content!

    • @PilotPulseChannel
      @PilotPulseChannel Місяць тому

      I will be honest, Im not completely sure what the legal requirements are for dual citizenship. However, If you possess an ability to work in the US without sponsorship, then all of your flight time in AUS should count towards flight time in the US. Total Turbine time and PIC turbine time are essential right now in the US at any airline. I highly recommend getting some PIC Turbine Time to better your chances! Good luck!

  • @topofthegreen
    @topofthegreen 2 місяці тому

    You missed your flight, the pilot shortage is over, check back ib 20 years. Expect to need a 4-year degree to get a flying job, yeah the pendulum has swung.

  • @topofthegreen
    @topofthegreen 2 місяці тому

    The pilot shortage is over, airlines have all the pilots they need.