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The reason people don’t believe Kris Knight is because they don’t think Noelle and Berdly would just walk into a dark world. It doesn’t make sense for a character to walk through a door with infinite darkness coming through (and therefore they argue the knight was present when Noelle and Berdly were there). However, I would like to remind everyone that THAT’S WHAT KRIS AND SUSIE DO IMMEDIATELY IN CHAPTER ONE

You actually make a really good case about the Noelle-Angel connection

15:00 The Japanese version of this line translates to: "Since then, the remaining king and his oddball son have been abusing power." Which seems to confirm that "him" in the English version refers to King.

Great video.

I personally don’t think Kris is the Knight, but up until very recently I did. My new idea still requires most evidence of Kris Knight to be true, however, but it also helps to establish the meaning of some of Deltarune’s stranger motifs, namely the idea of “Demons”. If you don’t believe me, let go over all of the examples of demons playing a role in the game’s plot: Gaster’s motif with 6s, Kris’ devil horn headband, interest in the occult and demon summoning, and having attempted to in the past, Both secret bosses explicitly mentioning “Hell” (and explicitly distinct from characters like Susie just using it to convey emotion, like “what the hell?”), and Jevil in particular relates it to the idea of the Depths, which relates it to Gaster again, Kris has Apple imagery associated with them, which is the symbol of the forbidden fruit from the garden of Eden that Eve was tricked into eating, causing humanity to gain “free will”, which is also a core motif of Deltarune. Kris is also called Lightbringer, as you pointed out, which means Lucifer. This is particularly important because Lucifer is simultaneously an angel but also a demon due to having “fallen from Heaven”. However, due to this fallen angel imagery, it may in fact be more likely that the idea of Lucifer refers to US, the soul, since it literally descended from our world (which could be though of as a lighter world than theirs, or Heaven) into theirs. It could actually simultaneously refer to us and Kris, depending on context, since I suppose Kris ALSO descended into theirs dark world. It’s also important to note the imagery around Ralsei’s castle, particularly the locked door on the first floor, which depicts the soul on the door, while having 3 sets of wings surrounding it. All other doors have only 1 set, but the 3 wings are significant because it refers to Seraph angels, the highest rank under God, and the same rank as Lucifer before he fell. Also consider that the term “Prince of Darkness” refers to Satan. The game of course already features Angel imagery, with the prophecy, including the Crown of Thorns reference for Noelle, but it’s important to know that there are Angels because Deltarune is all about Duality of Opposites. Light and Dark, Reality and Dream, Determination and Determinism, Free Will and Under Control, Hope and Hopelessness. If there are angels and Heaven, then demons and Hell only makes sense. And, if we know they both exist, we can again further connect Ralsei to them (even without his relationship to Gaster) by knowing that his prophecy explicitly stands AGAINST angels and Heaven, making him the side of demons and Hell. Do keep in mind that this doesn’t explicitly mean “Good and Evil” though, Toby has always played with that idea of morality being separate from that of the sides of conflict. With all of this in mind, I think it’s simple to suggest that Ralsei is a demon, and could potentially have made a deal with Kris that allowed him to possess their body, while granting Kris a benefit in return. This explains two things for us, being how Ralsei travels between dark worlds without having a visible object on Kris, but also why Kris moves like a zombie without the soul. They’re almost literally a corpse being puppeted by a demon without the soul. The deal Kris made was almost certainly related to the idea of improving the lives of them and others in their life, as the dark fountains represent the idea of change. Oh, speaking of the Knight in the biblical context, last I read, Knights in the bible symbolize those who follow rules, save others, and prepare for battle ahead of time… that’s literally a character profile of Ralsei. And, Kris can still be a part of the whole thing.

If the knight didn't start the recording in the computer lab then that would have interesting implications within the last-thursdayism of dark worlds. Queen witnessing it through her webcam retroactively records the event.

Do ppl just forget we alredy saw not just ralsei BUT THE WHOLE PARTY TRAVEL BETWEEN DARK WORLDS IN CHAPTER ONE? The big ass is never explained, it just works like that and boom you are no longer in castle Town, you are in card kingdom. So Why does ppl just not consider that ralsei has more doors like that in places we haven't seen

dude never have i watched a deltarune theory and felt like im spoiling myself

Met this guy in a tf2 harvest match the day after I watched this. Very cool and swag. A very good video too.

the thing about kris knight to me is that people always have something to nitpick about it and maybe can provide a case against one piece of evidence, but... they can't disprove ALL the evidence. its a theory made up of individual pieces that all comes together to form a really compelling case, and if you want to disprove one piece ("they saw the knight in the dark world!" "berdly and noelle were studying when it was made because of the books!") you also have to explain away the rest (plugged in tv indicating careful planning and knowledge of how to make dark fountains prior, kris's odd tiredness at the start of ch2 emphasized by the narrative, the pie tin knife being different from the dark fountain knife, several indications that berdly and noelle were not actually in the room when the fountain was made) and i've literally never seen a debunking that accounts for ALL of these. everything in the game right now is pointing towards kris knight. you have to make a HELL of a lot of stretches to debunk each and every piece in a way that forms any other narratively satisfying candidate.

On the point of the knight having to be consistent, this isn't true in the theory of there being multiple knights. If there's more than one, then that explains why a knight could enter enter the card kingdom but not the cyber world. While I do think that a unique knight for each world is off the table, just because I don't think there's enough space in the story to satisfyingly explain that many characters having that role, I do think it's possible there was a different knight for card kingdom and then subsequently Kris saw that and was inspired to function as a knight of Cyber World and the chapter 3 TV dark world. It's more complicated that way and does take more work for the story to justify to us, but I think it could make sense that way. Like if we assume Kris' motive for acting the way they do has to do with Gaster's influence or with us, then it begs the question of why and when they would open the first one. Presumably both of those events happen when we start the game. We would either have to assume that first dark world had nothing to do with our influence on Kris, or assume it wasn't Kris' doing.

It really does bug me when people acknowledge that the Knight clearly did not enter the Cyber world, but fail to retroactively apply the same logic to the Card Kingdom. 23:05 I don't see it mentioned enough that this is the *exact same assumption* Queen made. Like, it's not just him doing the same thing as Queen, it's him coming to the exact same conclusion of "cover the world in darkness, and I can rule over it all", the only difference is their reason for wanting this. It could not be more blatant of a hint that King, too, is only acting based on his assumptions of what the Knight wants, which as with Queen are heavily biased by what he wants and by the fountain's influence on him. The Spamton lines about the Knight are a major pet peeve of mine, and I really don't agree with your assessment of the Q&A lines. I am strongly of the opinion that the Q&A was meant to tell us that Spamton doesn't know anything at all about the Knight, and was just talking out of his ass to keep Kris' interest, pretty simple manipulation stuff. Kris brought up the topic, Spamton jumped on it to pretend that he knew more about it than he actually did, and then either he freaked out for no reason like you said, or what I think is more likely, he deliberately faked his panic attack(Which we know he *can* do, he's fully aware of his dialogue quirks, by his own admission does them intentionally at minimum most of the time, and can freely drop them to speak normally when he wants to) in order to force a change in topic without needing to prove his supposed knowledge by making something up about the Knight that Kris could potentially know is a lie. And it works: Not only did Kris drop the topic like he wanted, but he successfully fooled us to the point that I've seen people flat-out insist he was lying during the Q&A, where he has no motive to lie and him lying would actively defeat the point of the Q&A, as opposed to the shop, where he very much has a motive to appear more knowledgeable than he is: Keep Kris interested, keep Kris talking, keep them wanting to help him and ideally buy some of his junk as well. At the end of the day, Jevil(and Seam) just have more of that "Gaster-pilled" foreknowledge than Spamton, which aligns with how Jevil actively knows that Queen will be the next chapter boss, whereas Spamton only knows *of* Mike/Tenna/whoever tf the TV Darkner is, and at no point implies that he knows we'll face them next. Also, I don't think King knew Queen would be the next boss, I just think he reasoned that if the Knight keeps opening fountains, eventually the heroes would come across Queen and have to fight her. It's a case of plain old dramatic irony, as he did not know that we've already faced Queen and fully believed that Queen would defeat the Lightners. It's humour, he hypes up Queen in an attempt to intimidate Kris, Susie, and Ralsei, only to be told he's too late for that and they've already dealt with her, right before Queen herself walks in and casually informs him that she's adopting his son.

Or, radical thought: "heroes" and "villains" are black and white simplistic categories and since Deltarune is a darker, more mature grown up work compared to Undertale like kissy cutie 2, whether or not the Knight or Kris is a villain is the wrong lens to look at this through and the situation might be more complicated than one thing being all bad or all good. Kris being the Knight just means they're the Knight, the morality of opening dark fountains has yet to be seen or judged, as they can bring both good and bad things and requires further investigation and examination.

Good thing I watched until the end before commenting because I was 100% ready to bring up the issue of the darkners knowing the knight's title

Just watched all three of your videos on Kris Knight so far. I was a firm "NO KRIS KNIGHT" believer but now my mind has been changed. I thought that Kris being the knight would "ruin the mystery", but now I know that the mystery of who the knight is isn't the point of Deltarune. All that to say, these are some good videos.

Regarding 7:59, most, if not all dialogue Spamton says, no matter how bizarre and nonsensical it seems, is related to what Spamton is currently doing or talking about, so to strengthen your point, it's more likely that Spamton saying this *does* mean something.

Few interesting points in favor of this theory in works outside of Deltarune. Undertale, obviously for one - the themes of trying to steal the soul are introduced to players before we even knew Deltarune existed, with a lot of setup for the kind of apocalyptic power that a human and monster soul coming together could hold. We know Undertale actually came second, even, as there's unedited Jevil dialogue that Toby has explicitly shown us predates even the release of the Undertale demo. Meanwhile obviously the entire Geno route is ABOUT how ultimately, as wonderful and deep as Undertale is, it's a fundamentally limited world with only so much to do in it, and Deltarune has a habit of interrogating a lot of the themes introduced in Undertale in its own unique, often more nuanced and messier ways. It's part of why I've always expected that in the end, whatever happens, even Castle Town's Dark Fountain will be sealed. Then, one of Toby's big RPG inspirations, Live-A-Live. The final chapter in that takes the protagonists of each section and brings them together, with a main leader/hero chosen by the player at the start of that sequence and given extra focus... BUT, there's one specific setting you can choose where instead you go and do a boss rush, playing through every final boss of the original scenarios AS the boss, which can even end in the total erasure of reality if you use a special ability you only unlock by getting your playable-boss to critically low health. Reminds me a lot both of the idea of a playable Noelle leading the final boss and the fact that she unlocks a uniquely lethal "spell she doesn't know" if you push her to the mental breaking point on the Weird Route. Then of course, there's Moon Remix RPG, possibly his favorite weird RPG of all, which... I haven't played, but I understand plays with a lot of similar ideas to Undertale and Deltarune, both on the level of trying to impart lessons of kindness and empathy, and on understanding that ultimately, a game, a fantasy-world, whatever else, is JUST that, and whatever value you get out of an experience like that, it's vital to go out into the world again to carry that spirit into real life instead of just trying to squeeze more and more out of these escapes from life. The game can only have a happy ending if you let it have a happy ending, and Noelle might just want the fantasies of the Dark World to carry on forever. I also think about some more modern indie RPGs I'm sure Toby is aware of. Off having the Batter and Judge endings, where the latter is the "good guy" but his fight is genuinely pointless, as the world is already all but destroyed. Omori, which Toby contributed to and his friend Omocat created, having an alternate route where you completely ignore the non-dreaming sections of the game and get a much bleaker end-state for it, but the final day extremely dramatically expands the more traditional-RPG dream world and gives you a crazy amount more to do in it, you get all that awesome fun content, superbosses and bonus areas and new sidequests, and the terrible feeling in the back of your head about how empty it all is, how you've doomed the protagonist to never face his traumas even as they continue to taint this very dreamspace. These are obviously weaker than studying the kinds of RPG Toby was inspired by, but the generation of indie RPG dev he's a part of is full of people whose games question and interrogate the fundamental conventions and assumptions of the genre.

I thought this was obvious?

The knight is clearly John "roaring" deltaune

Okay solid video, but how would Kris open the Fountain if Noelle and Berdly seem to have been in the computer lab when the Fountain was created? I say this because of the very purposeful differences between Berdly and Noelle and Susie and Kris when leaving a fountain.

lol

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im sorry this has nothing to do with the subject but i couldn't help but notice that the animations in the giant hand cutscene looked glitched? at least the draw order of the sprites because the beam and knife were in front for some reason, was it always like that? i even replayed the game recently and i don't remember that lol

15:12 thats not a typo him can refer to king

"Stop typing that comment" No

"Gasterpilled" is something I will definitly start using in my vocabulary

Spamton's [Communion] line could still have a religious meaning too, since Gaster has so much devil/fallen angel symbolism.

I'm the knight

Din't wach the video but could they just have a mask? That why they din't reconise Kris as a knigt?

Don't mess with us Deltarune fans, we don't know how to read.

This and that one Tumblr post are making me tragically Kris knight pilled... You sly sly dog and your convincing arguments...

I feel that a lot of Kris-Knight non-believers don't update their views on chapter 1, despite everything we've learned in chapter 2. King's dialogue is written in a way that implies he met the Knight in person, but he never outright says that. We were meant to have that impression so the identity of Knight remains a mystery. But the information learned in Chapter 2 should recontextualize King's lines. Queen confirms that she never met the Knight, she only assumed what their will was based on their actions. That obviously implies that King did the exact same thing. Another example: Kris removes their soul near the end of both chapters. In chapter 1, we don't get to see what they're planning to do. Then in chapter 2, Kris removes their soul in order to open a Fountain. With that information in mind, what other action could Kris have possibly taken between chapters 1 and 2 that required them to toss out their soul? We know that they ate the pie, but did they really need to toss out the soul in order to do that? Was Kris just so desperate to eat a goddamn pie that it was worth having to limp downstairs? Or did they NEED to eat the pie, because they were already hatching a plan to would force Toriel to invite Susie for a sleepover? The actions taken by Kris between chapters cannot be anything but: eat pie, plug the TV on, and open the library Fountain. If you remove the last step, then it makes no sense why Kris prepared the sleepover if they didn't know how to open Fountains yet. Tl;dr Kris-Knight non-believers take chapter 1 at face value and don't consider the new information learned in chapter 2 when talking about it.

It's one of those things where i can see it easily be explained that the Knight is unique and can just leave Dark Worlds because they're special for some reason. But it's just so much easier to assume that they haven't entered any of their Dark Worlds, and that's a big blow to most Knight theories outside of Kris Knight and a few others. For example, if Alvin created both of the Fountains, then you need to answer why he decided to make a giant magical glowing darkness beam and then just turn around and not experiment with it. Sure, maybe he has complex plans, but that can be said about any Knight candidate and it makes more sense when applied to Kris since we have already seen them create really elaborate setups for Dark Worlds with the prep they did for chapter 3. I also think that with what you mentioned about communion that it could even be a double meaning. Yes he's talking about how he's connected to Gaster, but since Gaster is associated with devil imagery then Spamton calling his connection with Gaster "communion" could be a sort of sacrilegious imagery to further the satanic connection. (Also, I'm placing bets now. In a later chapter, King is gonna mention that he never met the Knight, and Susie is going to give him shit for pledging his life to someone he never met)

This video highlights a great point about a lot of the cases against - so many of them rely on taking scenes or dialogue out of their intended contexts on the presumption that they're meant to 'disprove' what we were straightforwardly shown and told, which makes it feel like they think the entire game's story, presentation, and theming is meant to take a backseat to some sort of gamewide whodunnit. A lot of it distracts from more interesting questions and makes weird assumptions that don't track like the subject of this video.

6:46 time to wait and see if you talk about the cage because the cage is the one thing that I literally dont think can be explained under any context

Ya know, after this video i sorta realized i cant wait for retrospectives about the chapter 3+4 wait once they come out. From my perspective its basically been over thinking and assuming whats being shown is somehow a trick. I understand why ive seen people compare fnaf and deltarunes fandoms before.

I mean, if kris wasn't the knight, the us vs Kris would be just be "we bad.", but if they where, it could be explored through the chapters, so toby could set-up something interesting

thank you

I don’t even like Kris knight but you’d better believe I’m so down to watch a half hour long video all about it. …I’ve just realized I’m doing the one thing 99% of FNaF fans can’t do. Entertaining to the other side of the argument to broaden my knowledge and allow me to better understand the game, its community, and allow me to make better theories.

I've always liked the idea that the person creating the fountain can just leave before the dark world manifests, I mean we see as much at the end of ch 2. But I don't know how to feel about the rest of the video. It doesn't actually have very much "Kris knight" in it, there are a few attempts at rebuttals against the arguments of anti kris-knighters but they seem far-fetched to me. Like the whole connecting kings' dialogue to religion. Also if these rebuttals were to be true, like none of them straight out point to Kris, for example, just because the knight tampered with the unused classroom, that doesn't directly imply Kris in any way and the whole "consistency" thing is just your opinion as with most things in this video.

I feel like the easier explanation for "by the knight's will" is If the knight created the fountain, and you're going to close it, there's a good chance you're not doing what the knight wants

6:42 That’s really filling in gaps with whatever’s lying around. “Kris did you know that the Knight… is a woman?” “Kris Did you know that the Knight… is someone you’ve already met?” “Kris did you know that the knight… doesn’t shower????” You could fill in the blank with anything. “Kris Did you know that the Knight… is Ralsei?”

Wait no. Laughter can refer to Jevil not Gaster it describes jevil. I should really replay the game at some point because I don’t remember that line. 5:44

its funny how toby put up a massive ton of clues of kris being the knight (specially the end of chapter 2), just for people to think toby is actually scott cawthon, and thus think toby is someone who only does plot twists for his stories and nothing else

I think Spamton's "Kris, do you know the Knight...." is "Kris, do you know the Knight {comes out at night}?" Basically, Spamton knows the Dark Fountain got made at Night. Because Spamton doesn't know Kris is the Knight, he is trying to point out how and when Kris can get {Communion} with them. Unfortunately, by saying this, Spamton would have ruined Kris's Alibi they constructed during the Day (Why they "cannot be the Knight".) Because Kris made the Fountain at Night So, Gaster pulls Spamton's Strings to get him to stop yapping. It is implied this feels like Hellfire to Spamton. Thus, the comment about "vacation days"

I'm actually convinced. You refuted this argument for me. -But dude... you didn't have to go that far. "Kris turned on the TV, therefore Kris is the knight. Because the knight turned on on the laptop and only the knight can turn on things or move objects."- (alright, maybe I misunderstood that point) Also I bet you wont be able to refute the argument of Berdly and Noelle already siting behind the table with their books out and their faces on the desks. The only explanations I heard are "plot convenience" and "Toby doesn't do the details"

On the topic of Spamton being scared, I always thought that kris just pulled their knife on him. I don't think a verbal threat could've been made that quickly.

Is it just me or did anyone else think the cages were like... actual, like, toy cages in the light world?

"Susie, you're a hot piece of work" I will be waiting for the context on that XP

I have this ( somewhat theory ) thats totally unrelated to ur vid at all ralsei is asriel