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These files are very hard to use. If it has a side beak the file is still too low and you need to raise it up. It is much easier to see to corner placement with the single / double bevel files because the flat side section is bigger. Unfortunately it just trial and error, with practice they become easier to use

@@HayChaffandSawdust1 This poor thing has been through a lot. I bought it with a bad air leak and found someone had swapped on a cheap aftermarket 390 cylinder. I replaced the crank seals and it ran ok but not great. After hiding it at the back of the shelf for 6 months and trying to forget that I owned the dam thing, it now has some new rings and runs well. It's been a productive few weeks of getting the neglected saws going while waiting on parts for the 461. New rings in this 310 and put together a MS170 out of parts with a WT215 carb

I actually Don't consider the 310 a home owner saw. Even though they have most of the home owner parts. I know of a few guys who run 32 inch bars on these saws and used them for logging. I ended up with one of them so I fixed it up nice and gave it to my uncle for his birthday. He loves to farm and just bought almost 100 acres of woods to clear and I'm sure that 310 will do it all.

@@rc-daily I concur that a 310 is a fine saw; mine has cut MANY loads of wood and is even my go-to over my 440, I refer to it as a "home owner saw" due to the clamshell design, plastic case, bar stud being threaded into the plastic case, etc... I'm by no means dogging on the saw, but stating, that for a homeowner saw, they sure are good ones. Mine stays dressed in a 28" bar with full comp 3/8 chain. It does the work of a pro saw, but I still consider mine a homeowner grade.

@HayChaffandSawdust1 i agree with that! I have a 44 and 441 but I always grab my 361 or 036

I wish they had a better AV setup but apart from that they are cheap, heaps of parts are available and they work well enough for most jobs The oil pump on these are overachievers as well. Heaps of output for a saw of this size

@@davidwyby Red gum normally feels harder to cut but I find it easier to split. This stuff always has really twisted grain

@@SawChainTheories Sometimes it's a bit twisted, theres some other stuff kinda yellow where the outside is very twisted.

@@ChainsawUsers I have only done it once before but I think that's why they all use axe's instead of splitting axe / mauls. I think you need to be able to penetrate really deep into it to make it break apart Doing this made me appreciate all the time I have spent on the excavator splitter. It's hard work getting through this

@@davidwyby It's sold here as a Husqvarna sledge axe. I'm not sure who actually makes them but it's very similar in design to a Gransfors splitting maul. I've had it for about 10 years and it's pretty effective. I don't have anything to compare it to because I snapped the head off the other splitter and never replaced the handle. It has a flat bit on the back for driving wedges but I find it too small for that job. It is a good hammer for some jobs

Looks like a husqvarna 2.5 sledge axe, I have one also works well

@@harry8506 I don't mind doing it sometimes but yeah, glad I don't do this everyday. I have not shown it on this channel but this is what I use for bigger jobs. ua-cam.com/video/Hxl6qTwyWPY/v-deo.htmlsi=1zW1vQo-4-cDnicO

@@SawChainTheories I still split by hand at times, I bought a Fiskars x36 and find it very comfortable in the hands and not too heavy.

Yes but I have also 33 tonne but great cardiovascular workout

@@HayChaffandSawdust1 I wish I never had to sharpen in the field but the dam trees keep falling over where there's no power. Team that with me being the worst chain grinder the world has ever seen and that's how we ended up here. You stopped me from making a stupid mistake a few days ago. I was about to pull the baffle plate out of a muffler and remembered your videos showing it didn't help

@@SawChainTheories My benefit of sawing/needing chains, fuel, etc... is the fact that I've never more than a few minute walk from a SideBySide, tractor, truck, or whatever... always have 5-10 loops in my sawing box. I think (referring to the baffle) that opening up the side of the baffle some could be very helpful and opening the exhaust openings on the outside of the can is a must-do. The whole baffle cage does provide a nice little restricted area in which the fuel/air charge and come out of the exhaust port and remain unmixed with most of the exh gasses. The end of the baffle is quite important for the bounce-back to slightly overcharge the cylinder. Those pesky little engineers have some stuff figured out!!

@@elpolaco7654 I have reached a point where I think I could square file blindfolded, but can't use a grinder. This is a huge step in getting better The chain vise moving is just one of many problems with this grinder, I now have to manually spin the wheel to get it moving when I turn it on. It's time for a new grinder. I'm looking at the Ama Maxx Pro

@@SawChainTheories If I physically could, I think I could “fix” your grinder. Isn't it the standard Chinese version of 511A? Personally, I would not opt for the Maxx Pro. Too weird. If I really needed it, I could electrically change the direction of rotation for myself on a “regular” grinder - I'm not afraid of sparks.

Fixing the clamp on the grinder is very easy. Take it apart and put thinner washers in it. They come setup for .080 chain and are sloppy with normal sized ones. On mine I took out the thinner of the two washers and .063 chain barely fits now but it works great on .050 which I sharpen often.

Thanks for the tip on the vise. Pulled the washer out and swapped it over for a thinner one and it works a lot better now

@@SawChainTheoriesIf you are still having trouble with the motor starting, then if you feel up to it, you can check the condition of the capacitor that is responsible for starting such a motor. You would have to remove the plastic wheel cover and then there are still five screws after unscrewing them and removing the cover attached with them, the electrical connections and the capacitor are visible. I would pay attention to whether the cables leading to it are OK and are well connected to the rest of the components. It seems that capacitor failure is unlikely, although of course it cannot be ruled out, especially in a cheap Chinese product.

I'm hopeless with a grind for the same reason, I don't really use it and the grinder I have is a bit crap. Hopefully now that I have the basics I might use it more

@@SawChainTheories I was once not as proficient with a hand file so hopefully practicing will make improvement

Yep, that little angle plate is 25 degrees on one side and 30 on the other. Hopefully I had it the right way up

I have been trying to show the result of this for a few weeks but, annoyingly, everything I have been cutting has been young regrowth grown in higher rainfall, good soil, high sunlight conditions and has been relatively soft. The unequal cutters just don't get affected in the same way in this type of wood and I guess that answers the question for the majority of people in the world it just doesn't matter. I have kept a chain with one cutter short to show what happens, just need the right conditions

@@tazman-kennyfuller If you in America, they don't sell them there for some reason. Outside of the US, any Stihl dealer will carry them or order them in for you

@@SawChainTheories thank you for the reply. Much appreciated. 🌲❤️🌲👊🪓

@@michaelkearney5562 I do lots of things that aren't good for the file life but they still out last the big 404 cutters so I'm not to worried. Normally I lose or break the file when transporting them before they stop cutting. The only ones I'm protective of are the square files due to the cost, 1 square file costs the same as a dozen good round files

Oregon really need to step up their quality control. They used to make excellent chains but I have had so many EXL chains with 4 or 5 extremely hard cutters in the loop that destroy files. My favorite 404 chain was 27X, it's still good but the factory grind now is terrible. Unfortunately they have been bought out by a few different private equity firms of the last 15 or so years and the quality has dropped off

@@bobbyhempel1513 just for reference the native hardwoods here are on average have about 2 to 3 times of the density of woods like oak. This issue also happens in some of the desert areas of the USA where they had planted eucalyptus trees years ago. That is a part of the reason why there are more issues with this here than other places in the world. If it works for you that's great, keep doing what you're doing. Just trying to explain that it's not possible to compensate for the inwards taper of the cutters side plate

@@Eric-Goodstuff 7/32 round file. Its factory shape matched that of the Stihl Hexa but it cut so bad that I used the round file I had with me.

@@davidwyby I still don't understand where the whole "it dulls faster" idea came from. It seems to be repeated by lots of people that have never used square chains before, there is even a comment here about it. If after watching a video of it cutting through an ant's nests in a log and continuing to cut well can't convince them, I don't know what will. Grinders are extremely rare over here, please send some..... And some 288's as well 😂

@@SawChainTheories I think racy angles will indeed dull fast… and round is faster and easier to sharpen. That’s why the forest service uses it.

The last thing I needed was another saw but I couldn't say no this. 20 X 325 joiner links and a box of saw parts for $75. The bad news for my wallet is that the dealer is selling his shop and closing down. He has a heap of stuff that has to go so I'm sure there will be more junk piling up here soon

@@SawChainTheories absolutely! Let me know if he has more and you hit your quota haha 👌🏻😬

@@giuseppelatina2640 I prefer the 046 but for this price, who am I to complain

@@ChainsawUsers I spoke about this in the last video but C83/85 factory grind is done in a strange way that results in it having more side plate angle that top plate cutting angle. I hate its shape and filing it round improves its performance in the wood I cut by quite a lot. This 46RSK is one of the greatest factory grinds I have used and is easy to replicate with a file.

@ChainsawUsers A file or other cylindrical sharpening instruments will never produce perfectly flat surfaces or straight side plate edges. But I think in the case of X-Cut the “aggressiveness” of the chain out of the box is more decisive. If you use a file that extends above the top plate by about 10% of its diameter (as was often recommended in the past), you should get similarly “aggressive” cutters. Perhaps such a comparison is worth a video?

@@SawChainTheories I guess you probably meant that the side plate angle is smaller than the cutting angle. That the side plate angle is larger than the cutting angle is more of a rule in other chains and has always been so. The Klassic version of RS is still available for 3/8 (1.3 mm). In the photos, the grind obviously looks different from this 46RSK. I also found pictures of an old version of 3/8 RSK, which also has no witness marks on the side plate, and judging by the fact that it has '3/8' stamped on it and the typeface of 'STIHL' is a little different than on the current one, it may even be older than this 46RSK. The grind on this version is the same or at least very close to 46RSK.

@@elpolaco7654 I have a video showing a C85 cutter in more detail that will be up at some stage this week when I get time. The side plate is around 45-50 degrees but the top plate on the inside is approx 60 degrees. I have seen someone that filed chain that way and it seemed to work for them so there might be something to it, I just have not experienced it yet. Actually there is a UA-cam channel called garden and forest. I think I have seen them filed in a similar way on a 562xp. Handle held up. Maybe it has a benefit in some cutting conditions? 33RSK is still sold in the US. There is some 36RSK available over here but it's the later stuff with witness marks but has the older style of depth gauge.

@@elpolaco7654 ua-cam.com/video/Yv5ibIheOlU/v-deo.htmlsi=NbuhdBggPWA2DuIH

@@samday6621 I know the feeling, even with my glasses on it's a struggle. A lot of chain is sold by that out of the box feel or by people comparing them when new. Manufacturers have an incentive to make them cut as fast as possible from new and it's unlikely most people will notice a small drop off over the chains life

They are grinding all cutters not round filing.

I have seen a few of his videos he looks to be reducing the top plate (sharpening angle) to around 20-25 degrees which is pretty common. Everyone has a different take on this to suit their conditions and for a feel they are after. Reducing that angle will help with durability while only taking a small hit to cut speed. It's all about balancing out those 2 things and there are a lot of ways to go about it. I have boxed myself in with a 288/660 so I can't justify another 90cc saw at this stage but if I could, it would be a 592

All I can say it seems to work for him. So... That's a win in my book. I mean is it the best way I got no idea I need to try what he does and see I'm open to it. I do like the idea of a very durable edge is still cuts very nicely. He seems to be throwing chips to me.

@@elpolaco7654 That one really annoys me because it is such a good chain that gets ruined by the factory grind. I'm sure there is a type of wood somewhere in the world that responds really well to it but it just doesn't work for me. The same can be said about a few of my other favorites like Oregon 27x, a really good chain that now has a terrible grind and factory recommended angles

@@SawChainTheories I think it makes sense from a marketing standpoint. You will find many (video) comparisons where X-Cut is the fastest out of the box compared to other chains. Of course, the authors of these comparisons are usually from Europe or America. Here, the most commonly tested “soft” wood is pine and “hard” wood is oak. Even in one of the recent ChainsawUsers videos, the X-Cut is no slower (at least in the first cuts) than Rapid Hexa. And that wood must really be very hard. Metallurgy will also determine how sharp the cutting edge angles can be. “Better” alloys will be more resistant to the onset of bending when they encounter hard timber or knots, for example. To compare the standard bevel angle for a hand chisel is 25°, and generally recommended values are between 20° and 40°...

@@elpolaco7654 I have noticed they all do it to some degree. Stihl RS now comes with a small lip on the top plate increasing its angle to approximately 45-50 degrees, hexa shape is slightly different to the shape the file forms with more top plate angle from the factory. I just got some Carlton 325 LX chain and it has a very aggressive side plate from new and so did this 404. I think you are right, a lot of chains are sold by people testing and comparing them out of the box so trying to add that little bit extra probably sells more chains.

I’m on the other side of the world lol Our wood is a lot softer than what you cut. The C83 works great here and holds an edge fine. The newer chains are for our soft woods not your rock hard wood. I can get pretty aggressive with the angles sharpening chains and they still last a couple tanks of fuel.

Most excellent video, sir. Offset on the chain holder on a Stihl USG has the same effect.

It's always worked for me so I keep doing it. How is the 182 going? I have been tempted to try one of the new small saws but hardly ever used the 170 I have now.

@@SawChainTheories 182 runs good for what it is, tad heavy for its power. I have to get a few more tanks through her! I really love the 250 for the light (cheaper) saw option

a suprisingly good budget small saw is the johncutter 5800. out of the box there quite the ripper. and u can get them for around 100 bucks

@@swere1240 yeah that’s super cheap!! Jon cutter is a good saw!

@@elpolaco7654 The Pferd file is marked 5.2mm however the box and packaging is marked as 5.16mm. In use I can't notice any real difference between them regarding size and it could actually be beneficial. I have been looking for Bahco and there are a few here. The market is dominated by Vallorbe with some availability of Pferd files over here. My Pferd chisel bit files come from Amazon Germany because they are less than half the price of buying them locally. The only one i have not been able to get anywhere is a goofy fild

@@SawChainTheories That's why it's strange that in the catalog they give two decimal places for this one size, but not for others. As if that 0.04 mm makes any difference. Oh, indeed these Pferd files are available on Amazon, including my local one (one stock). Thanks for the tip. I must have searched poorly there before. Anyway, Amazon's search engine really sucks. Right now the triangular one costs about 9 euros, the double bevel 10. Still that's 9-10 times more expensive than a regular round file, but it's still not a bad price considering I can order one and not pay shipping. Farmertec lists a price of $0.49 for a file they call “goofy”... 🙂

@@davidthomas1732 What 404 are you running? I used to have a lot of luck with the Carlton semi. I can't do it for a few weeks but I have the end of a yellow box I gave up on about 10 years ago because I couldn't cut or split it. I always meant to go back and finish off now I know a bit more about it. I'll have to push it out of some blackberries with the tractor but it would be nice to defeat the dam thing after all this time

I have some old stuff not sure of brand and some new hurricane I've settled on 25 deg for now. Having some success but hard going.

I normally just sharpen semi 30 degrees top plate. 85-90 side plate and try to keep the 60 degree top plate cutting angles. I want to do a video using different size files so I'll use some semi to show that to give you a visual of what it looks like

@@gunterbecker8528 Both the Pferd and Vallorbe's are really good quality and it's hard to go wrong with either. I like the feel of the Pferd premiums the most

I can't really tell but watching the video again I noticed the Vallorbe didn't remove the marker in a consistent way. There will probably be a part 2 for this video because it turns out, they are different sizes. All are marked 7/32 and 5.5mm but they are different

@@SawChainTheories I noticed. But once you got it there. Definitely cleaner.

Pros don't fart around all day watching UA-cam videos, they're out there cutting wood. 😅

Maybe give this video a miss and watch one of the square filing videos I have then. No guides for that and it requires a lot more precision than round filing.

Oregon source or have sourced files from various manufacturers. Here, all of my Oregon files come from Vallorbe.

@@ChainsawUsers I don't really care between a single V double. The only preference is the Pferd files have a softer cut feeling. Vallorbe is the only company making the singles now I believe. The singles can fit in smaller chains better because they are thinner, so that might be a plus depending on chain size I prefer the 3 square files but they are much, much harder to use at first. Once you get the hang of them they are fine but it's a big learning curve

@@SawChainTheories I have had a look in their catalogues and only see doubles. Which, of course, does not necessarily mean that they are not on sale.

@@elpolaco7654 Vallorbe LC 10020 - 2270 It is described as a chisel bit file, Vallorbe shape, 2nd cut. It's thinner and only has the 1 angle on the side. They work well but I find the cut a little too rough for my liking. The finish is fine, it just feels slightly uncomfortable to use

@@SawChainTheories Oh, I see now. You are right. I guess '2nd cut' denotes the type of finish. In this case, the kind used in "standard" files.

@@elpolaco7654 Yes all the square files, from both those manufacturers, get classed a 2nd cut. There is a difference in the feel of them, the Pferd double bevels have a very soft feeling cut

Thanks. I'm trying to leave a 25 degree top plate angle but this is the first time I have tried this with a double bevel. It's hard to get the side plate angle while doing this

That's the file I use also.