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Thanks for sharing your detailed presentation. You make some thought-provoking points about the Protestant canon, but I'm throwing five theological flags as I believe your argument raises a few concerns that are worth discussing. Unauthorized Judgment and Presumption (Penalty: 20 Yards - Overreach into Divine Insight) It seems like you’re assuming Protestants lack divine guidance or legitimacy in recognizing the canon. While there are certainly differences in how we approach the formation of the canon, assuming that Protestant efforts result in an inherently flawed or illegitimate canon overlooks the possibility of genuine faith and discernment on their part. As Matthew 7:1 reminds us, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.” Presumption of Ambiguity in Scripture (Penalty: 10 Yards - Assumption of Scriptural Ambiguity) By framing the Protestant canon as subject to the "Burden Problem" and the "Impartiality Problem," you imply that Scripture itself is unclear or ambiguous without the guiding authority of the Catholic Church. However, scripture affirms its clarity and ability to impart wisdom. As 1 Corinthians 14:33 states, “For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.” Overconfidence in Defining God’s Nature (Penalty: 15 Yards - Presumption on Defining the Infinite) Your argument suggests that only the Catholic Church can definitively determine the correct canon, implying a near-complete understanding of God’s revelation through a particular theological lens. Romans 11:33 reminds us, “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!” Overstepping Human Limitations in Defining ‘True Worship’ (Penalty: 10 Yards - Presumption on Defining Worship) Implying that only the Catholic Church’s canon allows for ‘true worship’ seems to overlook the broader reality that many Christian traditions genuinely worship God in spirit and truth, even with different canons. John 4:24 reminds us that “God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” Failure to Recognize the Relational Nature of Theology (Penalty: 15 Yards - Ignoring the Relational Core of Worship) Finally, your presentation appears to focus heavily on institutional authority, which, while important, risks overshadowing the relational and communal nature of faith and worship in the broader Christian body. As Jesus said in Matthew 22:37-40, the greatest commandments are to love God and love our neighbor, which should be at the heart of our theology. I think we can all agree that the process of discerning the canon and engaging with Scripture requires humility, openness, and respect for how God works across different Christian traditions. Dismissing other approaches risks limiting the diverse ways in which God reveals Himself to His people.

I liked the video. I love finding connections between the deuterocanonical books and the New Testament.

I like Wes and Melissa.

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Good stuff. One minor critique: you are a Catholic, stop using CE/BCE rather than AD/BC. It's just an attempt to remove Christ from common parlance. There is no other rational reason for the change. And a bogus way to signal who is most academically orthodox.

Protestants just dont like thinking about the canon too much. The way they reinterpret scriptures to mean whatever they like, it makes any additional or missing book irrelevant. They could accept Tobit and just reinterpret anything they find troublesome. You have prayers for the Dead in Maccabees and currently in Jewish modern tradition but clear evidence for a practice that existed before and apart from the catholic church. Does this phase guys like Ortlund? Not in the slightest…. People like him arent thinking well i guess the catholics didnt make this stuff up after all! Theyre thinking “the catholics added that book at somepoint but i cant trust history so ill just hold to my opinions and ignore any facts that might change my mind” all they think about is “this aint what my granny said christiality was”

I haven't even bothered to listen to the video. More than 2 hours. But this whole argument is pointless. There are only so many books that could be canonical. I've been through the whole apocrypha and important letters and books that could have been cannon. Nothing makes that much difference to Christian doctrine anyway. The only thing notable is a strong theme in Tobit that almsgiving can wipe out sins. That idea appears in another couple of books aswell so you you could justify indulgences but that's about it. Maccabees doesn't prove prayers for the dead or purgatory or anything close to it. It is simply a story what some leaders of Israel did. No commands, no doctrine laid down. Its history, that's all. There are some weird ideas in Wisdom and Ecclesiasticus but none of them have become mainstream. I like Gavin Ortland. He a is very careful and well-studied theologian. I thought what he taught on this was quite reasonable.

Very informative. Thank you. 🙏🏻🙌🏻🕊👍🏻💡

I love the mashup!

Stream starts 0:56 Suan’s Presentation starts 4:59

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Suan seems unfamiliar with the messy history of ecumenical councils in the 1st millennium and necessity of papal authority to identify them. Can you tell I just finished Erick Ybarra's massive book on the papacy? 😊 I'm working on yours now William. Shocked by just how novel the first chapter is.

These are super weak arguments. many times, Christ directly references the OT through phrases like "It is written...Have you not read... You know not the SCRIPTURES (note this is not a reference to a single book but rather to an authoritative collection of SCRIPTURES)". Then Christ indirectly references or quotes the known OT dozens more times, as do His apostles. Furthermore, the question isn't so much whether or not the OT canon was closed or completed at the time of the NT and Christs life - both Catholics and Christians agree that it was completed at that time. The argument is, "If no set collection of authoritative books existed, by what authority did Christ and His followers reference scriptures as proof of their claims and say things like 'it is written'?" You offered no answer for that question. The clear answer, which Jews and Christians both affirm, is that there was a set, authoritative, collection of canon at the time Jesus lived. The only people who disagree with this claim are Catholics, from hundreds of years later. Finally, claiming that "only a handful of OT books which are accepted by Christians are quoted in the NT" is patently false. The vast majority with perhaps a few exceptions are quoted and/or referenced. The book of Enoch being referenced is not an issue - nonbiblical teachings and quotes are shared by Paul and used for examples sake and understanding. No protestant says the only puzzle piece that matters is "is the book quoted or not?". That is on important puzzle piece, but not the entire puzzle. This is like saying "The item I am describing is a car - here is how I know: It has wheels, an enclosed interior, runs on a gasoline engine, and is registered at the DMV." and you answer "Aha! Well my bike has wheels, too! Does that make it a car?" No bro. The wheels were PART of the whole argument. The wheels being on both a car and a bike are not an issue.

You lost me at idol worship. Go read a single church teaching document before saying anything else about the Catholic Church

Catholic you are misleading people .nonsense catholicism

Revelation 8:2-4 is definitely alluding to Tobit 12:15.

Wes is so overrated!

Wes Huff is a secret anti-Catholic. You can tell, when he talks about the history of the bible he hardly ever give credit to the Catholic Church and his always ready to throw Catholic Church on the bus. Billy Carson was a joke that never debated anyone, and is a clear cult leader. Anyone that has studied the history of the faith would have easily refuted him.

Whether it was me who brought this to your attention or not, thanks for taking it on! I left a comment on the video with the evidence Gary is known for.

I cannot wait for this. I am getting tired of Wes Huff being able to get off easily of late. May the Lord Jesus Christ, by the power of The Holy Ghost, use YOU, to crush his mouth and all false doctrines coming from him. This Billy thing don't matter, Billy Carson is a lost man, wasn't that hard to beat him! I want a real challenger against him, to show the 'Fullness of Truth' and that the TRIUNE God will not be mocked and bring him and all he leads astray back into the ONE True Church. Thank you for doing this and May God bless you, and all the Saints pray for you. You men are our warriors...You don't just fight for us, but for all! Amen. May the truth be unleashed!!!

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I guess I'd be considered Protestant, but i don't understand how Protestants criticize the extra books in the Catholic Bible since the first version of the KJV literally had the apocrypha in it. Especially when the "original KJV movement" criticizes the Catholic Bible's books, it makes them look so dull that I actually get angry about it when i read their comments😂

It would also be interesting to press for more detail from someone who believes the Canon was determined and it is the Protestant Old Testament. Who actually determined the Canon? Where were they when they made the determination? What year was it? How do you know the Canon was determined by the birth of Jesus?

The intro in the first 3 minutes of this video is phenomenal ! It needs to be the new intro on this channel from here on out. The music and all of the visuals of the Catholic Church were just amazing. Please make that the new intro for this channel.

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From my first time reading 1 & 2 Maccabees in 2012 I knew they never should have been removed from the bible. Joining the Catholic Church going through RCIA now. Wisdom of Solomon not only has a strong Christ prophecy, but puts Genesis & Exodus in an amazing perspective.

The Catholic cannon makes little difference to Christian doctrine anyway. I noticed the book of wisdom does present some strange ideas but they have never become mainstream I think these debates over the cannon are pretty much pointless.

I see you deleted and started over. still not bible

Whst do you say to the claim that Pope Hardian accepted Trullo?

Glory to YHWH! Glory to the Father, Jesus Christ of Nazareth the Son & the Holy Spirit!☦️ Had to catch the replay. Was on the road & internet was spotty.

God bless you, the Church has been severely lacking in anointed preachers like you. May the Lord carry your ministry to the ends of the Earth. Through Christ our Lord, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, One God, for Ever and Ever. Amen .

Dang, you're awesome. May my comment never let you fall into pride. Instant sub. We _need_ more unapologetic apologetics like you. May all of God's blessing fall unto you, and only you, for the next 24hrs.

8:24 ; 8:34 ; 11:46 ; 49:49 ; 50:20

40:51 interesting point that most Protestants are unaware of.

Sadly, William is disingenuous. The Syriac deacon says when we have ecumenical talks the canon is never brought up with William nodding yes and agreeing. Yet today, he attacks the Orthodox as not being the true Church because they don't have the Roman canon. That is what we call 2 faced.

1:01:18 ; 1:01:57 ; 1:02:45 ; 1:33:58 ; 1:36:56 The Syriac Orthodox canon is definitely different and interesting.

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Note: Rabbi Nissim of Gerona influenced Ockham (see below). Talmudism & Sefir Yetzirot/ Kabbalah Jews influenced Gnosticism, Islam and nominalism. Ockham used the Jew, Nissim of Gerona, on "Prime Matter". That is the key: the more you know about rabbinical convenient morality, legalism and renaming of truths, plus false mystical magic, the more you understand the ideological history and some of the social history. Harvey, W.Z., Nissim of Gerona and William of Ockham on prime matter. Jew History 6, 87-98 (1992). In his Homily on Creation, RaN (Rabbeinu Nissim, i.e., Nissim ben Reubin of Gerona) gives two arguments for there being one common matter for all things, or at least all things in the sublunar realm: (1) it would be superfluous to posit more than one ("Ockham's razor"); (2) all terrestrial matter is transmutable. In his "Summulae physicorum," Ockham had used the same arguments, in the same order, to prove the same thing. In his "Commentary on Genesis," RaN states unequivocally that there is one common matter for the terrestrial and celestial realms. In his "Reportatio," Ockham had stated this thesis unequivocally. It seems clear that RaN was influenced directly or indirectly by Ockham. Renowned primarily as a talmudist, RaN seems to have had an interest in contemporary Latin philosophy. His influence on the philosophy of his student, Hasdai Crescas, may have been greater than generally thought. An excursus calls attention to a parallel between RaN and John Buridan. /// Warren Zev Harvey Jewish History Vol. 6, No. 1/2, The Frank Talmage Memorial Volume (1992), pp. 87-98 (12 pages) Published By: Springer Nature www . jstor. org / stable / 20101122

Amazing canon Bible

Amen

Gary you are the greatest scholar of our time on the dutro Cannon! Thanks

I really appreciate your work.

Hey, Gary nice man 👍

"If anyone does not in accord with the Holy Fathers acknowledge the holy and ever virgin and immaculate Mary was really and truly the Mother of God, inasmuch as she, in the fullness of time, and without seed, conceived by the Holy Spirit, God in the Word Himself, who before all time was born of God the Father, and *without loss of integrity brought Him forth,* and after His birth preserved her virginity inviolate, let him be condemned." -Lateran Council in 649 (not ecumenical but papal) "This union of the Mother with the Son in the work of salvation is evident from the time of the virginal conception of Christ even to His death... [and] when the Mother of God brought forth her firstborn, who *did not diminish but consecrated her virginal integrity.* " -Vatican II, "Lumen Gentium" 57 (which references DS 503, Lateran 649)

no problem, purgatory is non biblical

As adopted sons of the Father thru Baptism, Protestants have been robbed of their inheritance of the fullness of the Scriptures handed down by the Church of Jesus Christ.