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Well said, yet unfortunate that it needs to be. Some people’s maturity and social decorum levels suffer when interacting online. Yet look at the examples that are set by our political leaders, who increasingly exemplify a continuous, antagonistic us-versus-them dynamic. One would like to think that a reading community might rise above such schoolyard behaviour, but… then there wouldn’t be this video, would there? We are suffering through a decency-deficit age.

Hey Tori. Author here, just came across your channel. THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS.

That's a great video. You're absolutely right - in a world where we can talk to almost everyone on the planet, we've lost the art of respectfully listening to other people.

i dont think the issue people have is that "youre not allowed to have a different opinion" from them but rather, they seem to think that youre insulting their taste since they really liked a certain book and then you come in and say "the plot was trash, the characters unlikeable" and at that point, it doesnt matter how much you try to justify your points, because its still going to seem like an insult to them. by "you" i obviously dont mean you specifically, just anyone in general. and by "they" i mean only certain types of people, too. some can take it rather well ofc

It really is a bit like religion or politics. The book becomes part of their identity so any criticism feels like an attack on who they are as a person. Great video!

This is such a good video on this topic. Personally, I've recently read a series with a pretty large fandom and I absolutely hated the last book because of the main character. I related heavily to the main character from the previous books in the series and the main character from the last book had spent the entire series abusing the original main character so even though I tried to go into the last book with an open mind, I still hated that those same behaviors and patterns were not only repeated but seemed to be brushed off by other characters. I ended up giving the book a low rating due to my personal experience and, when I saw a video with someone expressing similar thoughts, I commented that I agreed with their opinions on the book. What scared me was that other people who loved the book then replied to my comment and told me that I was a selfish and horrible person who has never experienced trauma or mental health issues (which I can assure you, I have) and went on to bash my character rather than engage in a discussion about the book itself. The fact that people don't seem to understand that people can see books and characters differently and that it isn't a basis to harass someone online is insane.

It does scare me that people put authors, celebrities and even corporations on a pedestal. It's like dealing with a child who believes in Santa.

What I don’t understand is going to a fan page or fan site of a particular author or genre and then ranting about how you don’t like it. Like wtf is the point? And yes, reading is absolutely subjective. It’s the same thing with the concept of “good writing.” People DNF books because of “bad writing” and that’s fine. But the rants about how poorly something was written and then the “I gave this 0 stars” and “how could anyone like this?” are oftentimes people just wanting to be contrarian.

I’ve taken notes while reading for a long time, but I don’t think I could ever do it in the book cause I just cannot tell how much room I’ll need. Highlighting or underlining, sure, but notes in margins are a no from me.

What's so on point about this is you can replace "author" or "book" with movies, tv shows, politics, etc etc... objectivity and open-mindedness is a valuable trait for life and society.

Once a hobby starts to feel like a chore, it's no longer a hobby, it's now a punishment.

I don't know. Tolkien comes pretty close.

I don't get to have very many conversations about books, not because I don't want to but because I have trouble starting them. I can never get much further than 'I liked it' or 'I didn't like it'. I need specific questions in order to start a conversation, or an opinion... some place to start... especially when it's been a long time since I read it. That means, unfortunately, I have very few experiences with either positive or negative interactions. That being said, I have read many of those interactions here on BookTube and wow can they be vicious. It really is important to think before we speak, by written word or spoken. Celebrities/authors are people and they have some serious flaws, and so do the rest of us.

This is why my AP English teacher is my fav. I still detest Tess of the D'urbervilles. Every class came down to the two of us talking about it. The 1st semester final was debate with both classes and i was vehemently defending a scene. After Christmas break he went through each person for a mini discussion. My turn he stopped, all i said was its good for its time period, i just dont like it. He looked at me for 3 seconds, said okay and moved on.

LOL and here I thought you were going to talk about Gaiman. Good points, definitely!

I love watching critical rant videos about 'bad books' here on YT, but I do have a problem when some creators get too caught up in their distaste for the book that they indirectly insult the people who loved it. There's a trend of alternating people who like 'bad' books like they're unintelligent. Conversely, some people will think you're stupid if you don't like the book that *they* love, and insult your intelligence or act like you just don't understand the work. I've been guilty some of this in the past, and looking back I feel terrible for putting down other people's experience, even if it was only said within my own head. I think we all can stand to work on not viewing everything as a competition and comparing ourselves constantly. We don't need to feel superior to other people.

As an autistic person, hyperfixations really do alter my state of being. If I were to hear something critical about my current obsession, I might just malfunction and pass away /j

You've articulated this so well. So I review books on Tumblr (lol there shouldn't be any people on Tumblr) and I've started getting hate when I say anything negative about a few authors. And I mean ANYTHING. For example, I made the comment that I felt that some of the narration for a particular book just wasn't for me and was told it's because I hate the author. Another was for a manga that I just frankly didn't like the art style. A commentor told me I was stupid and didn't understand art.

Nobody fucking said they were.

Sanderson isn't even competent. He writes sentences that change tense in the sentence. And so on and so on...

I had a bad experience with a guy named Oliver who is a Red Rising fan. This guy basically talked shit to me using American slang just because I didn't like the series.

Forgive me if this is redundant or out of line, but if Lonesome Dove didn't work for you (it didn't for me either), allow me to recommend Buffalo Girls instead. I cried at the end. It's very hard make me cry at the end. Just saying.

All so well said. I wish there was a way to download all 13 minutes of this video into everyone's brains... shame people only have time for headlines and soundbites nowadays...

So wait… you’re saying that my opinion of “The Blood Stones is one of the best (and favorite) books I’ve read in a long time” isn’t objectively the right opinion?😱😜 But seriously, I do get what you’re saying and 100% agree with you. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions (Even though they’re wrong 😜). -T

girl i know , i know , we have been waiting for winds of winter for 15 years he isnt god , and i hope he will finish the serie before god allmighty decide to take him

Owwww I should join your author god cult, ok. Were is the prayer book and robes I want to fit in too. I can do that.

Tori is right on the money on this one!! My favorite book, the Bible, talks about being careful about being offended all the time. People who are often offended live in anger and cynicism. That's not healthy. Btw, I'm no angel and I'm working out my own issues concerning offense. Tori also made a great and very wise point about disagreement not equating to disrespect, a concept that needs to be spread far and wide. Great vid!!

I beleive the word you’re looking for is: idolatry. 🙂Forgive me for getting religious. Perhaps this tied into the heartbreak people feel when authors do terrible things, and people feel like their lives are over?

What an amazing video Tori! Your insights here are absolutely wonderful and thought-provoking. The positive yet candid way you approach this subject is amazing. So well done! Disagreements about the same books are healthy, normal, and more than appropriate. There is ZERO requirement for it to be contentious. I think we as a community, overall, as you indicate, can rise above any subjective differences of opinion about what brings us together as a community, which ultimately is books. We need to remember that - our common bond is more uniting then divisive. Thank you so much for making this video.

I always appreciate your thoughtful discussions and love the way you approached this one ❤One of my favorite things about this community is how we can respectfully disagree with each other about books, and it’s a shame when some commenters try to ruin that. And it’s always someone who usually doesn’t engage with our content or is stumbling upon our channels for the first time 🤦🏽‍♀️

Damn right he isn't, if he was he wouldve finished those godforsaken novels by now!

5:24 Learning to quit books that aren't working for you is a necessary part of being a good reader. Overtime, you become able to identify why you quit the book (the book was bad, wrong time in your life for that kind of book, you don't yet have the skill for it, etc). That also helps you become a good reader. I also think it's totally fair to review a book you quit and say how far you got and why you quit. That is helpful information to potential future readers.

Great discussion, happy new sub here :)

Very well said. Parasocial psychology is so interesting - but it can be dangerous and unhealthy. I'm always impressed by people who have the courage to put their opinions out onto the internet (especially women) because the fear of backlash stops me a lot of the time.

im a book addict and i dont even know them lol (i read classics and contemporary classics)

Liveship trilogy is amongst my favourite ones ever. Classy and intelligent eriting and a great arc from beginning to end.

Oi! I'm trying to start a cult here 🤣 Fully agree - hopefully the Malazan fans take note. They won't, but a guy can dream.

I tend to find booktok and bookstagram's recs very repetitive (and also very fast paced (?) like they publish so many books every week I can't even catch up on every single one of them) , so I would like to share my reading system with you all: I start with a book that I've read before and I liked, then I google about the book or the author, if it was inspired by another book, if the author met another autor etc... You know, like the "six degrees of separation" theory... So, for example, if I start with "The Miracle of the Rose" by Jean Genet, then I move to "The wild boys" by Burroughs (as one of the chapters is named after Genet's book). After that I found out Patty Smith's 'Horses' has a reference to Burroughs' book, so I read "M. Train", also, she likes Genet. Then maybe I go back to Genet, I pick up "Querelle de Brest" with an illustrated cover by Jean Cocteau, so I read Cocteau's "Opium" where he references Proust... anyways... I do this over and over again and I tend to find pretty interesting stuff. It also helps me to remember stuff as I don't do journaling (i'm very messy and a bit lazy)...I tend to write on my books but don't use tabs, I just can't keep track of all of them (i kinda forget i have to tab things, it never worked for me). And with that, I forget about the numbers... as I said before, my system is quite messy, but helps me enjoy the things I'm reading. I understand the necessity to have "reading goals" or to keep track of everything and plan every book we read, review them on goodreads... But I think we also need to not have control over all of that sometimes.

A mature analysis! Good work.

I loved this. I have noticed, as well, how divisive a lot of online spaces have become in general and it really does make me sad. I follow so many of my different hobbies online, sports, music, books, even collecting dice, and they all seem to have a over lying opinion that "If you don't agree with me, you are wrong. And not only are you wrong but you are a bad person because of it, and you should be canceled." (basically). I truly hope that as we are pushed to the brink of collapse that more people take a step back and look at the situation as a whole and realize that it's still ok to be different. It is actually beneficial for us to be different and to interact with people who are and think differently than ourselves.

I feel this 100% and appreciate you making this video. I haven’t talked about Lonesome Dove a lot on my channel because I knew I would probably get hate. I didn’t get along with it very well either. I think it’s nice to be reminded that reading is subjective and we need to respect other’s opinions.

Great video Tori! I have also struggled with the inverse as well where people are upset I have a positive experience with a book they dislike. People can be strange.😅 I think engaging in book communities and getting to know the people on the screen or in the comments helps others learn how be to treat people more kindly who they disagree with. It’s a lot easier to be nasty when there is relational distance.

I love that you're talking about this--for so long I've been thinking about making my own booktube, but I got so caught up in what everyone else is doing I forget I can just do things how I want to--I also have ADHD and hate the thought of needing to follow through with a promised TBR.

Okay, I've watched the whole video. I will say that some authors are just overrated, but they're not bad, far from it. I guess I'm just annoyed at people defending them for every lapse or mistake they make. Idk. Hard to explain.

It's sad things like this should be common sense and yet it's not common ToT

Brandon Sanderson has the worst fanbase There, I said it

MBotF is a journey to be savoured.

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This really illustrates how great book clubs can be? There are several books my own club has read that I didn't enjoy on my read through, but that I left the meetup with a better understanding/different perspective on the book as a whole or the parts that I may not have liked on first read through. It's also totally ok to enjoy a book WHILE recognizing the failings within the storytelling, and knowing that those might prevent another person from their enjoyment.