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More power to anyone who just likes fighting, but you may be interested in the dedicated video later on solar power specifically. It's definitely not weak at the time it becomes available, and thousands of panels gets you a lot more than a few MW.

Just in case you're not aware, this series does not include Space Age.

Those types of tactics can definitely be effective, but I feel compelled to mention that this is a guide for new players which makes such things way, way, beyond the scope of what I'm going to be using. Circuit network is intentionally limited to basics and kept to a minimum here.

@@strategicsage7694 I hear what you are saying, but it would be a simple way to introduce circuits, as it only requires connecting the inserters to the tank and setting a condition. (Personally, I get a bit fancier, but it isn't necessary.) Trying to get a fully-functional factory running without circuits is a huge ask, so starting with something very simple that has a profound difference seems a good place to start.

I think we're going to respectfully disagree here. I just think it's a very bad idea to introduce circuit network to players in the early game. I would sooner not use it at all than do that - note that *isn't* my approach, it's actually the next video which is in process, but just saying that's how opposed I would be to bringing it in that early. I don't think it's a big ask at all to have a fully-functional factory without circuits. There is nothing that requires it, it's not at all difficult to work around not using it. I do think it's good to know about, it's part of the game, and it is marginally useful to learning players (and much more so the more advanced you get), so having an introduction to it is a positive. But it's not something I would ever consider doing before midgame, even if hadn't already gotten past the early parts.

@@strategicsage7694 Fair enough. It's your channel, and you do a good job of explaining, so you do you!

I'm glad you figured it out, but FYI the game does explain that. In text form in the first mission, and there's another one shortly afterwards where it is literally the plot point of most of the map. There's large yellow text permanently on screen telling you that tower energy is offline, and the mission teaches you to use miners for energy instead so the plot device serves that instruction.

Not sure whether to be impressed that you noticed, or depressed that I didn't. Seems like a why not both moment

The main aim isn't to reduce power consumption. It's to reduce pollution.

I don't think I understand what you mean, can you be more specific?

@@ericmyrs This is vanilla Factorio, not Space Age. There's no foundry.

As funny as this is, I'll note for anyone else reading it my suggestion is to engage with enemies as little as possible. It's an expensive distraction from the main goal; the factory must grow.

@@strategicsage7694 Fully supporting this comment! Also... _looks at biters_ you get a bullet and you get a bullet and you get a bullet...

@@MagralhoPT and those ones get a nuke...

I design most of my production facilities for the first 40ish hours of my world to be scaleable based on modules and belt throughputs. for instance, my earlygame yellow belt circuits can be scaled within the exact same print to be able to fully and exactly saturate greenbelts using only modules and beacons inserted later in progressio. this allows me to build a base gaged for yellow belts that can be scaled to be able to exactly and efficiently handle greenbelt upgrades later without changing a single building or inserter. just tell bots to upgrade belts and place modules automatically. small caveat to this strategy, you need to rush bots fast, or be ok with manually placing tens of thousands of yellow belts. I got "there is no spoon" using this strategy tho

Sounds good; let us know how it goes!

Especially on space platforms in Space age. Those tend to be power constrained without quality solar panels, or a lot of normal quality ones. Some modules can really cut into that.

@@Thefreakyfreek it's all about the build order. The map hasn't been changed; if you use the method in the video, and that could be improved even, it will work

Thanks! I appreciate you watching it.

I get what you're saying, but for now we are just cracking it all into petroleum gas so it's all being used. The 'full picture' would require explaining multiple other complex things, and cramming that all into one session would ... be bad IMO. Which I think is a big part of why oil is such a learning cliff for new players. You have to know a *lot* to really set it up well.

It’s basically a juggling act. You start with 1 ball, and are thrown 3 more, and you gotta find your balance since more balls are waiting 🤓

Lubricant will be part of a future video, but the short version is that the pumps are designed as a divider the way I set it up. Nothing but cracking is done past the pumps. Lubricant and anything else I want to do happens before the pumps. That's how it works! :)

I'm glad you are enjoying it! Everyone has other things to do in life :)

Thanks for your support! I do want to do Space Age, but it's definitely not around the corner, it will take some time. I know that will mean a certain number of people will have moved on or used other guides by that point, but I can either do it soon or do it well - not both. I am quite busy which is why this series hasn't progressed as fast I would like, and I want to lay the foundation properly by finishing 2.0 Vanilla first. It's about half done. Plus, I don't know Space Age yet because my Factorio time goes mostly to working on this series. It's going to be a lot to learn. So I will try to get to it, but it's going to be on a 'when I'm prepared to do it properly' basis.

You may have missed the part of the video where I talked about this, but nuclear isn't included because this is about solar compared to steam at the point where solar power is invented. Nuclear power is quite a ways in the future at that stage.

FYI I would put no stock in achievement percentages. That's true in general, but esp. for this game. Achievements weren't included until well after launch. I'm glad you are able to learn from these!

I appreciate the suggestion. I don't know of any good way to do that at this point in the game, there's just too many interconnected possibilities. I do try to emphasize player choice; I don't know how much of the series you've seen but I hit that note hard in the Mall/Hub video, and in the one about intermediates I talked about how the way you set up electronic circuit production is largely dependent on where they are getting the ingredients from, which is kind of on point here. Different ideas for how to produce, say, sulfur or plastic, don't just exist independent from the rest of the factory. It looks different if you put petroleum gas on the bus. It looks different if you don't want plastic on the bus, or if you do want sulfur there, and so on. And what if you aren't using a main bus at all? I think Factorio is just too open-ended of a game, with exactly the freedom of expression you are talking about, to really get into all of the possibilities. I'm quite certain there are many possibilities I don't even have any idea about, and the way in which your decisions are inevitable interconnected means I can't just isolate one part. For this video in particular, I thought what was important was presenting the over flow; crude oil-refining-sulfur/plastic-advanced circuits/science. Fitting all of that into one video of reasonable length was the main goal. For better or worse, that's my thinking on why it is this way.

Thanks!

A few points to consider: - Under this approach you don't need to kill that many nests, because you are keeping evolution down. - Something feeling risky is not the same as it actually being risky - Nuclear and defending attacks both produce pollution. Mining uranium, the centrifuges, producing the ammo/turrets/walls, etc. - Things like artillery and T3 modules are not relevant within the scope of this series (the standard vanilla game ending at rocket launch). By the time you get artillery you've already won or are about to. T3 modules are expensive and late-game, so by the time you get a significant amount of them, you don't have time to pay for them resource-wise before you win.

@@strategicsage7694 The concept are working, there are many ways to play this game, including this one, and that one I said. - True - It still requires supervision, and if you don't pay attention you still get into trouble. And later the expansion becomes very frequent. - This is also true for solar panel, and killing the nests. But flame turrets and nuclear are extremely resource efficient so the pollution it produces is neglectable. It also does not produce pollution itself. It IS a huge drop in pollution. So that it won't help the pollution is false. - This is very subjective what you deem irrelevant. Making some prod modules in end game is benefecial, as you may don't have to expand.

I totally agree that people can play however they want. That's been a consistent point of emphasis in this series. All this is about is the way I recommend for new players, and defending those choices. - You can get into trouble with any approach, but that approach will be extremely minimal under mine since all you'll be getting initially is small attacks from an expansion you weren't paying attention to. It's far worse if you are setting up perimeter defenses as your method and make a mistake. And when keeping evolution down, expansion never becomes very frequent within the timespan of the game. It was at 0.77 at rocket launch in the 1.1 run, and I expect it to be lower here. - It is not at all false that nuclear and walls don't help pollution. By the time you get nuclear, you already have solar available so the comparison there isn't to steam, it's to solar power. Which is better for pollution within the relevant context. However efficient flamethrowers are resource-wise, it is inherently less efficient than never having to deal with those attacks in the first place. - It takes hours for a T3 module to pay for itself from a purely resource standpoint. That's an objective fact. This is not subjective, and of course if used extensively completely undermines the whole idea of going low pollution/evolution. It is without even considering the pollution or power required. If someone is talking about megabasing or deathworld or Space Age or some other scenario there are different considerations of course. There would be no point in making a guide for all possible scenarios, as the possibilities are so diverse that good choices are completely dependent on what situation you are talking about. This series/guide is expressly for new players in the vanilla game, which by definition ends at rocket launch as the official victory condition. There's nothing wrong with anyone wanting to do different things outside of that, but those concerns are irrelevant to what I'm talking about.

@@strategicsage7694 My only real complain is really about that nuclear doesn't help pollution. It IS a green alternative to solar, that is fully viable in your sceranio, as done by many many times. You may prefer solar, but nuclear is also viable. - Don't forget, evolution is also driven by time not just pollution, it maybe slower but it counts. Not everybody plays the game the same speed. And 0.77 evolution is not that small. My main concern if you forget to clear out expansions, then you lose much more then some walls and turrets. - I said "This is very subjective what you deem irrelevant". You deemed artirelly irrelevant, but it is a good addition to YOUR tactic, and it is before the rocket. Also T3 prod modules on the rocket pays for itself even for the first rocket. That's an objective fact too. But also very good for Utility science pack and for labs.

I think we are crossing wires for the most part. Nuclear doesn't help with pollution because it isn't better than solar in that regard, and solar is available earlier. I'm not anti nuclear, but the advances mentioned in this video are mentioned because they move the needle on pollution at the time of their availability. Similarly, I'm not anti production modules in all circumstances, I advocate for using them in labs, yellow science iirc, sulfuric acid, and the rocket silo. What I was talking about is the idea of defending behind walls with production modules used instead of efficiency in a much more comprehensive way, as was initially suggested.

Thanks! FYI launching the rocket really is getting off the planet; the idea is you use the satellite to contact the rest of your civilization and arrange a rescue. So escape is assured at that point.

As far as I recall they are not.

Quite possible.

Certainly, there are many things that can work.

Thanks for saying so! That kind of thing is why I left these up, even though I no longer play AI War 2.

That's quite reasonable, but it's also a post-game scenario that is beyond the scope of this series. By the time you get artillery in a vanilla run, you've already won the game or are about to.

I definitely don't agree that building on one side is useless. If you build only in one direction or don't send anything backwards, you've greatly reduced flexibility. One example is the mall/hub that I just covered; under that approach it needs to be near the end of the bus, when IMO it should be at the beginning, because it needs material produced later on in the bus. Just making it wider as you go is a possibility, but creates problems as opposed to building on one side which creates none of significance. If you want to add more plates to the bus under that approach for example, you either need to now have multiple difference furnace areas to produce them which complicates ore logistics, or you need to send belts from your furnace area around part of the bus to get to the insertion point. I think building on one side is much better than either of those alternatives.

Imo an important lesson for newbies is to realise that you are still building your starter base tm. This means that you will either abandon the save for the 7th time, stop procrastinating on a UA-cam comment section and com- oh sorry I don't know where that guilt came from. Uh or you will tear down the starter base later to make a better one anyway. With your point of 'oh how will you route it back?' is an easy answer - you don't. Your bus should have the supplies that the mall needs and you are free to make a new mall further on, either remaking mall if you want it all in one place or if you intend to use logistic bots anyway, why not just make a second mall that uses those advanced resources? From personal experience I only need to bring back half belt of plastic and sulfur backwards, bc I usually have chem science pretty close compared to everything else and you can easily add another line to bring back if only you just leave some space between bus and the processing, early mall only requires a belt of iron plates and a half belt of gears and green chips, this will carry you through early game and once you want to make stuff from advanced circuits you just make it in middle of your bus. Heck, as many people point out, space is infinite and a bus is absolutely not that bad.