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@@Patrickluzaniaaa correct

@@lfcglory you don't have to, but you always can if a yellow lane exists, and IF no other cars are using it or may be about to use it. The law only states that you cannot continuously drive in the yellow lane longer than 200 feet. You can also just turn into the travel lane if there are no cars. Either way is legal

@@MJ-sz6ys none of the AZ driving tests I'm aware of do any freeway driving

@@DanielSmith-sd5th yes I'm sorry your test administrator did not know the law, and failed you wrongly. ARS 28-701, (speed law) paragraph B states: "B. Except as provided in subsections C and D of this section or except if a special hazard requires a lesser speed, any speed in excess of the following speeds is prima facie evidence that the speed is too great and therefore unreasonable: 1. Fifteen miles per hour *approaching* a school crossing." *Approaching* a school crossing is the key word/phrase here. That means the area immediately before the crosswalk. You are not approaching after you pass a school crosswalk. The other sign facing away from you is for traffic on the other side of the road, who is *approaching* the crosswalk, not for you. Hence why the sign is facing away from you! What would even be the point of slowing down after a crosswalk? 🤣 Besides making traffic jams worse... Doesn't even make logical sense. Unfortunately, getting a job at the DMV doing driving tests does NOT require extensive training or knowledge of the law. Many of the DMV employees will fail students out of ignorance or misinformation. You could have a case to fight it or make a formal complaint against that employee, for wrongly marking off points. That DMV worker should not be grading road tests if they don't know the law.

@@plopping-wetlyacademyofmot9639 that's what I thought too. I've made a Reddit post for the first time in my life because of how frustrated I was that mentions your video and other sources I've found, I wanted a clear answer on wether if it was my mistake or just a lack of knowledge from the driving instructor at the time, I was desperate. I was on the precipice of victory I thought but oh well.

@@plopping-wetlyacademyofmot9639Is it possible for you to go to r/driving and to click on the post that titles, “I think my driving instructor screwed me over,” posted at just around 20 hours ago. There are people in there that are telling me otherwise. If arguing is not your thing then I understand. I also have another question 'A vehicle shall not proceed at a speed of more than fifteen miles per hour between the portable signs placed on the highway indicating that there shall be no passing, that school is in session and that the driver shall stop when children are in the crosswalk.' Is this referring to the signs right before the crosswalk and the sign around 75 feet away forcing us to slow down to 15mph?

'A vehicle shall not proceed at a speed of more than fifteen miles per hour between the portable signs placed on the highway indicating that there shall be no passing, that school is in session and that the driver shall stop when children are in the crosswalk.' What two signs is this referring to?

@@DanielSmith-sd5th the signs referred to in 28-797 would be the first sign approaching the school crosswalk that says "SPEED LIMIT 15, FINES DOUBLE NO PASSING" and the sign placed in the actual crosswalk that says "STOP WHEN CHILDREN IN CROSSWALK" (That sign is described in the last sentence of statute you posted.) It specifically lists those two signs. One before crosswalk, one double-sided sign in the crosswalk.( Not the backwards sign after it) The backwards sign, after the crosswalk is for cars in the *opposite direction* that are *approaching* the school crosswalk. That is why it is facing away from you. Of course, it wouldn't hurt anything to go 15 for a little longer, and you are free to do that if there are a lot of people around, or pedestrians nearby, that would certainly be reasonable. I'm not saying everyone should immediately speed up after the crosswalk, but it could definitely be argued in court that between 28-701 and 28-797, a person has fulfilled their legal requirements by slowing down while approaching the crossing, and returning to normal speed after it. Sorry you got a misinformed DMV employee. It's not fair that they failed you for that, based on the information given.

@@Blackmalechrissie he was a pilot in the Navy for a while and is now working in finance.

@@sebastianlegarda9959 guess what? They don't even have a parking test anymore at the DMV. Just a lap around the neighborhood now.

@@plopping-wetlyacademyofmot9639 wait you’re kidding in arizona in south side phoenix ??? my test is wednesday

@@sebastianlegarda9959 2 years ago they took parking tests away for good. Go back behind the DMV tomorrow, wait for a kid to take a test and follow them if you want to see for yourself 😉

@@plopping-wetlyacademyofmot9639 whattt okay then thank you for letting me know i might not stress ass much anymore 😂 but i will still keep notes on this thank you i’m good with a ride around the block.

@@sebastianlegarda9959did u pass and what did they do

On Bell and 60th it felt kinda like a trick question, there is two traffic lights but only one really wide lane. I got to the right of the car in the lane and made a right turn on red, signaling and everything, and she said I was wrong for blocking the bike lane. Also when you make that left turn from Scottsdale Rd back to the dmv, did you enter the intersection and wait before turning or did you stay behind the line completely and just wait for it to be clear and turn in one motion

@@hollowdidthisone there are no laws in Arizona against waiting in the middle of the intersection on a left turn. You shouldn't always do it at every intersection but it is not illegal in our state. Also the bike lane on a right turn thing is debatable, as the law only says a right turn must be made "as close as practicable to the right hand edge of the roadway" which includes the bike lane. Either way, it's only 2 points off and you can still pass if you lose 20 points. It's very minor points off.

hey, I saw your comment about being 21, did you have to take the written test or only the road test?

@@reckless4513 Hey! honestly they did not ask me for my permit or anything, but a day prior I went to a different dmv to renew my permit after it had been expired for over a year just in case, and they renewed it without me retaking the test I’m not sure if they didn’t ask me to take the written test at this Glendale dmv since they might be able to see in their system that I had a permit, or maybe they just don’t ask. Have you taken the written test before?

Sorry that happened. Very unusual for someone to fail for too slow. "Too slow" on the grading sheet is only -2 points. Speeding is -10. You can lose 20 points and still pass, so either someone has to go too slow *and do other violations that add up to over 20 points* or would have to go too slow 11 times to get under 80 points. Unless the person pulled out on a main road and committed a "dangerous action" (automatic fail) by going 25 in a 40 zone or pulled right out in front of a fast moving car (failure to yield.) How exactly did they explain that you failed for too slow?

@@plopping-wetlyacademyofmot9639 I was going at about 25-30 in a 45 zone, and about 5-10 slower than the speed limit in general, hoping to leave some "safety margin" and avoid speeding. But the examiner said I was too hesitant, conservative, not confident enough and needed to practise more.

@@crimsonckh check out ARS 28-701 online. "Reasonable and prudent speed" The law says drivers can't drive faster than reasonable (the speed limit usually - unless it's raining, pedestrians in the road, traffic jams or road conditions.) It also says we must brake to avoid collisions and execise reasonable care for the protection of others. It also says there is zero tolerance with the speed limit in school zones, residential, etc. It also says it is illegal to speed up on a yellow light (paragraph D) or near railroad tracks, and to slow down for blind corners and narrow winding roads. But the last paragraph says a person shall not drive at a speed LESS than reasonable. So to paraphrase it, you can go the speed limit. If there's a reason to slow down like bad weather or a traffic jam that's ok. But it's not legal or reasonable to go under the speed limit if it's not raining or other hazards. Driving under the speed limit on a main road can cause accidents and will certainly cause road rage, horns and middle fingers. They either automatic failed you for one dangerous action, going that slow, or many individual -2 pts for too slow / waiting too long There really isn't such a thing as too slow on a school or neighborhood (unless other cats are behind you ) but on a main road it can cause chaos with other drivers going more than a couple MPH under the limit. Remember about 95% of our drivers are usually going 5 to 10mph over so that's a big difference in speed. Better luck next time!

@@crimsonckhI take my road test in a couple days. I am sooo nervous that I am going to fail.

Yes. The law only says not to drive continuously in the yellow lane longer than 200' or use it for passing. It is also reasonable if done safely, to enter the yellow lane earlier in a traffic jam, or when on a road at a higher speed. Great question, thank you!

@@plopping-wetlyacademyofmot9639thank hlh so much for replying ❤I really appreciate it

@@plopping-wetlyacademyofmot9639thanks for replying!

No parking test in Arizona anymore

Thank you for the update. I need to remake this with the new route. It is true that even +1mph in a school zone is an automatic fail. Normally it's +5mph = -10points. +10 over = fail, but the school zones it's +1mph because cops write huge tickets for +1 over in school zones in real life. Good luck next time. Better to learn it on a driving test than learn it from a cop. 👍

@@plopping-wetlyacademyofmot9639 i’d love to see a new video, atleast before next wednesday that way i can study.y test is next wednesday

My test is next wednesday***

And maybe some help with what to do while driving through a school zone with the video too, please!!

@@Pxpaio don't speed in school zones. Even 1mph over is an automatic ticket from the cops. If no speed sign posted, speed limit stays the same. If there is a sign out in front of the school that says a speed, do not exceed the speed limit. Even if no sign, but kids in crosswalk, go under 15mph

All of the public DMV locations in the Phoenix area stopped requiring any parking test after 2021. Now just a 5 minute road test. They will ask you to stop and back up for 20 feet at some point.

holy shit you have no idea how much you jus calmed my nerves lol@@plopping-wetlyacademyofmot9639

thank you so much@@plopping-wetlyacademyofmot9639

also mines in chandler@@plopping-wetlyacademyofmot9639

its in chandler tho would it be the same @@plopping-wetlyacademyofmot9639

Just don't speed or run a stop sign. You will be fine! Take your time and don't rush. Wait as long as you need to make sure it's safe to go. Let us know how you do!

Seems there are still some things left to learn about AZ laws. If you are referring to the first left turn shown in the video using the yellow lane, nothing illegal about it. The law you cited just requires left turns to turn into the left lane on a multi lane road. That's all. (Right turns take the right lane, left turns take the left lane, *unless there are multiple turning lanes at an intersection* ) This law isn't really applicable to the yellow lane. There is nothing illegal about passing one or more driveways or streets in the yellow lane, as long as one does not use the yellow lane as a passing lane or drive in it for longer than 200 feet, according to the law. Hopefully you didn't embarrass yourself in front of your girlfriend too badly. 🤦‍♂️ The reason I was making a point to enter the yellow lane at normal speed and then start braking after fully inside the lane, is that I was driving on Happy Valley Road where people speed like crazy. Slowing down in the fast lane while entering the yellow lane could potentially cause an accident or road rage, hence the reason for using it that way. Have a great day!

Thank you for the update.

Hey, I’m 21 now, did you have to take the written test first? Or did they just let you go ahead and take the road test?

Can you tell me the name of the place?

Happy to help. Glad you had a good trip and a safe trip!

Congrats! Thank you for the update and drive safe!

Do you know what the route is? I have my test in a couple hours and I’m very nervous

What route is it ?

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Good question. The school by my house is similar. If the portable sign is out, it's a zero tolerance 15mph zone with double fines. Some schools leave them out all day or forget to take them down, but the police can and do ticket you for going over.

Thank you for the advice. If our law only specifically mentions slowing down between the portable signs, it's probably best to always heed to them.

@wyattazcooks thank you for watching! I love when people ask questions like this. Im always happy to talk traffic laws. AZ Title 28-701 paragraph B: "B. Except as provided in subsections C and D of this section or except if a special hazard requires a lesser speed, any speed in excess of the following speeds is prima facie evidence that the speed is too great and therefore unreasonable: 1. Fifteen miles per hour approaching a school crossing. 2. Twenty-five miles per hour in a business or residential district..." The title of this law is "Reasonable and Prudent Speed; Prima Facie Evidence; Exceptions." This is the law usually cited in speeding tickets on public roads. Technically it is always illegal 24/7 to exceed 15mph in any marked school crosswalk in AZ. This law also does not mention signs need to be posted or any other requirement. The conventional wisdom is that only on a school day or if a special sign is active, is the 15mph enforced. (Only school hours on school days.) I mostly agree with this. The only exception I can think of is if the school is hosting a special event after hours and there will be many pedestrians around nearby. This is common even during summer months. For that reason I usually just go with 15 mph on a school day always, 25 if not a school day but go 15 if the school appears to be occupied or if pedestrians nearby. 👍 The law revolves around the phrase "reasonable and prudent" and I think that is safely reasonable in court with a judge.

@@wyattazcooks I like your Mitsubishi engine profile pic. Is it a 4G63T?

Your excerpt on reasonable and prudent speeds at school crosswalks is interesting. I was referring to 28-797 paragraphs D, F and H: "D. When the school crossings are established, school authorities shall place within the highway the portable signs indicating that school is in session... School authorities shall maintain these signs when school is in session and shall cause them to be removed within one hour after the end of a school session or pursuant to an agreement with a city or town." "F. A vehicle shall not proceed at a speed of more than fifteen miles per hour between the portable signs placed on the highway indicating that there shall be no passing, that school is in session and that the driver shall stop when children are in the crosswalk." "H. A vehicle approaching the crosswalk shall not proceed at a speed of more than fifteen miles per hour between the portable signs placed on the highway indicating that there shall be no passing, that school is in session, that the driver shall stop when children are in the crosswalk and that the civil penalty will double." What these laws seem to imply to me is that the speed restriction is only relevant when the signs are on the road. D suggests they are temporary, by giving a deadline for schools to remove them. F relies on the signs, while H says 15mph approaching crosswalks is only necessary in between the signs. Good eye on the engine. Galant VR-4 showing the world a turbo 4 cylinder can kick. Only topped by the Legacy GT's EJ255 in my book.

The DMV doesn't even require this anymore at most places. Back when they used to, it was in a parking lot with cones. You can always call the DMV you are going to and ask. Nowadays most just have you do a road test with no parking test.

Any ideas which don’t require it

@berrymycawkner no DMVs in the Phoenix area require 3 point turns anymore

Glad you liked it! I plan to remake all these with better quality some day soon.

@@plopping-wetlyacademyofmot9639 it’s well worth it especially for drivers my age coming onto our roads soon I’m in Mesa az people drive out here like jackasses

Tortoises** I know I said turtles but they’re all turtles to her right now!

You just made my day. I'm so glad our turtle was able to spread some joy

No, sorry not yet. Haven't gotten that far east.

It's an open book test online. Takes 5 minutes.

Glad to help. Thank you for watching!

@@plopping-wetlyacademyofmot9639hello, is this the route they still use or they change it?

Happy to help. Thank you for watching!

Did they make you do the 3 point turn at the beginning?

What I did was park at the DMV and wait for a driving test to start and follow them

I don't have Coolidge video (yet) but the state law is the same. Just be sure to stop completely at stop signs, don't rush and don't speed. You will be fine! Thank you for watching. I plan to remake and expand my videos in the near future. I'm glad you found them useful!

I did find them very helpful and thank you so much for replying back to me. I do have more questions, I hope it's ok to ask you? As I can't find answers to any of them. My UK driving license has expired now and the written test I did has also expired, when I did that test, I didn't know I'd have to take the road test and I didn't feel ready, then Covid hit and everything shut down so now it's expired. Can I still do the road test without having a valid UK licence? And will I have to redo the written test all over again? 😞 Do I get the same road test as a student or will it be different because I drove for 20 years back home...I'm sorry for the million questions..so they don't really ask many questions on signs etc? Just a few about the lanes etc? I just don't know what to study as I can't find any answers to my questions and I'm so frustrated 😞 Thank you again for everything and I will continue to watch the rest of your videos 🖤

@Niki Strouthos no worries. I don't know if you can renew the UK license online, but an AZ permit can be renewed for a small fee . I don't think you need to take the test again to renew it.. (I could be wrong - call them to be sure) Or, once you renew the AZ learners' permit, you can take a license test at the DMV and get licensed the next day. Let me know if that answers your questions. Worst case scenario, you will have to take the online permit test (10 minutes or so) and then go in person to do the 5 minute driving test at the DMV

@Niki Strouthos if you do have to retake the permit test, the answers are direct quotes from the handbook at the DMV. You can also find the AZ drivers manual free online . There are practice tests you can take that are identical to the real test online as well. Don't worry it's easy. Mostly tedious questions about who has right-of-way and how close to park from a crosswalk, how far to stay behind a fire truck, etc