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canon needs to release good lenses for APS-c, URGENTLY! I have a large number of ef glasses for my c 70 through a speedbuster, the divine sigma 18 35, but I would like to have native aps-c optics with autofocus. With focal lengths of 16-70 F 2.8 16-50 F 1.8, 10-20 2.8.

Between Canon and Sony, I don't see a substantial difference in their corporate approaches. Both companies see the "stills" interchangeable lens cameras now as hybrids, and both companies also look at what might be a "cinema" market. Neither company is limiting the current products so they cannot overlap from one market to the other, because they know that the customers are not going to limit their usage that way.

The c70 image quality beats both these cameras in my opinion

6K60 made me grab the C400. (The camera is stunning thus far BTW) I thoroughly enjoyed using my C70 but was slightly frustrated the IQ wasn't as delicious as my R3 video files. So the FF BSI on the C400 is a dream. Of course the C80 appeals to me (and I still want one) but definitely don't regret sticking with the C400 because 60FPS-ALL-DAY for the way I shoot. Though, I'm a niche shooter - an extreme hobbyist who shoots birds. For most people I definitely think the C80 will be the new C70. Super solid camera that will only grow in popularity over time.

24:34 it will be R6 III

Canon r5 mark ii app control is amazing! You can pull focus with it.

R4C or R5C II - Super 35mm / FF + DGO sensor perhaps that could be the FX3 equivalent in the Canon lineup

29:43 predicted - c70 10 years from now someone will be filming on it and talking about the nostalgia of it. We’ve hit the peak already

I just can’t get with the style of the body

The great positioning of the c80 and c400 is two fold. One is now you can have a matching a and b cam setup. They have the same sensor and essentially the same setup. It's not like the c70 where you wondered what paired with it. The R5C is full frame. It doesn't have clog2. Etc etc. The second part is now you have an upgrade path that didn't force you to leap so far.

To clarify the DGO sensor tech a bit (and blackmagic doesn't have it in any of their cameras). Canon's implementation is unique. It decodes each photo diode (since their are already 2 of them on each sensor with dual pixel AF) with a different A?D converter setting for each photo diode. However, from what I have read, it's still only 1 A/D converter. Arri on the other hand, uses two discrete A/D converters on every photosite, converting the signal flow ealier in the chain. It means the circuitry is a lot bigger, consumer double the power, and creates more heat. It does mean, however, that the scan time on the Alexa is faster than Canon. Canon has innovated well with these new BSI Stacked Sensors in the C80 and C400 since they are still dual pixel auto focus, so it's likely that a DGO version of this sensor may be on the table.

Speculating on the CF Express B slot. I know it's on the R5C, but maybe on the C70 / C80 it was just too much heat generation, which would mean a bigger fan and worse battery life. I THINK, it's really hard to know for sure. Because the R5C records to it without overheating. So it's really hard to know. Or they just couldn't fit it, it's hard to know for sure. I would still love if they made a blackmagic style EVF using USBC, that would be next level and fit on the C400 so well.

Canon could never remove ND filters after the C70. It is in my opinion the main reason the C70 is desirable still today. It's not the sensor size obviously

Unfortunately the only way you can make canons lineup make sense is looking at the features they removed or gimped. I understand they can't cannibalize their own lineup but leaving the c80 with SD cards super aggravating. Making the R5 Mark II with no internal fan and making the video features un appealing because of the quality. I guess if you are a Canon fan like I am, You are loving these new releases. I just think maybe they could have space these releases out and Eric Tao a little more benefits for the c80 and R5 Mark II.

I traded in my GH5 about 4 months ago got the R6 Mark II. I decided to never open the box returned it and the only camera that made sense to get was the C70. I was looking for a B cam but I ended up getting technically my A cam now and R5C is my hybrid camera. Starting some commercial work this week and I am souped.

Awesome talking points guys! IMO a Canon FX3 like an R6iii or R6c would be amazing! And totally agree with you about camera image character - More camera companies should start building out look libraries similar to what ARRI have (And RED, Panasonic etc) to offer shooters more versitile in camera / post options for 'character' without needing to go to a colourist for projects where that's not possible. As for a DGO full frame... anything is possible but IMO an 8k high end camera makes more sense right now / short term. I think CLOG 2, from what I can tell (I could be wrong), is already coming up against the max information it can hold unless you shoot RAW on the C70 / 300mkiii from our very, very brief tests. So without CLOG4 IDK how high it is on their priorities right now given that most their modern high end CLOG2 cameras are finally matching at approx ~16 stops (according to them). They'd also sacrifice rolling shutter which larger sensors are already worse at than the S35 sensors that 'needed' DGO to match / pass full frame dynaic range while keeping acceptable rolling shutter. But we'll see either way sometime eventually!

The KOMODO-X Looks so good😄 i always drifted off to that thought😄

Next DGO Full Frame to be the RF C500

I Just want to add that you can record 6k 60p on the C80 externally by using an Atomos recorder. This was confirmed in the ProAV workshop video.

I really have to disagree. Yeah, I know Canon and the cripple hammer. But when you look at other cameras, they all have something you go, hmmm it doesn't do that???. I get the critics, but the C80 is a pretty rounded camera. I will wait to see what people say about the image and DR reported by independent reviewers. But on paper, it is pretty dam good!

Improved monitor hinge, SD out and Fullframe sensor. I own a C70 and will be adding a c400 next year. Since I already have the c70 and love it besides it's quirks, I won't be getting a c80.

17:02 C400. You are correct people who want it like me would use it for very specific things. We would use it together with C500 mark two, we would use Genlock with the LED volume - we would also use the power zoom lens port to put larger Cinema zoom such as the 17-120. For live events where you have multicam filming, Genlock like would be excellent paired with auto clear scan mode. Since we already have Canon R5, and Canon C500 Mark twos, the CF express on the C400 makes perfect sense. Regarding recommending Canon to non-Canon users I probably wouldn’t do it so easily. It really just depends on your application. Sony is still doing excellent in the documentary space, so is Nikon and Panasonic. And now with the Pyxis, you really don’t have a bad option four single owner operators. At this point, you’re just deciding what kind of form factor you want and need. If you want built in ND, SDI, full frame, 6K for better 4K - I would say the C80 now finally competes with the Sony FX6 (and now with black magic raw it’s gonna be an interesting battle)

Hello, totally agree with the sd thing, cf express are far more better for the price and the possibilities... But then that's the problem for canon I guess it wouldn't justify any limitation on frame rates and raw quality so that's the game. Also the C400 is like an R5II sd and cf b again for the price and potentialy a new camera that who knows will have opengate, because the strangest part is that it is a 26mpx 3:2 sensor only used by the the c400 and c80 but just 19mpx is used for 17:9 max. And for the record the recycling parts is a canon thing first, that was done way back in the dslr world for exemple the 550D the 60D and the 7D are build on the same sensor and processor, sony just made the same Skin to their bodies Talking about sharpest... well the R5II for exemple has all frame rates in non oversample mode which turns at to be good because usually on sensor that do oversampling dynamic range take a hit in the process but not here. So it has all the benefits of having 8K but in 4K youcan smooth a bit a lens too sharp if needed, the sad thing is that for the C80 and C400 all framerates and resolution are from 6K so I personally think that options to do no oversampling should be a thing, to have the choice of a sharp crips image or not

CF Express gets hotter than SD Cards. Spend less money on cooling

Both C400 and C80 use the same sensor from R3. Moreover, C80 has a lower bitrate which means it wont have the same color depth as C400

@20:00 that 28-70mm f2.8 NON L falls into that category at its price vs quality

Great commentary fellas! I personally don’t think Canon shot themselves in the foot. The C400 has a different audience. Every production can’t use a C80 in their workflow. Rental houses would choose the C400 all day. But the options are fantastic! Both great cameras and I can’t wait to use them both on projects.

Not interested in a a9 at all but this sensor in a fx3 body would be nice.

Love this podcast! I've spent untold hours researching c80/c400, cages for both etc. Totally agree with your hopes for a smaller FX3/R5C version with this new sensor. I'm predicting a C600 next year. Full frame DGO, dual CF Express type B cards. Probably somewhere between $15,000-20,000. And after all that, this broke videographer will probably just get another R5C 😂

I don't like dongles....at all.

if you want cinematic footage, that true Hollywood look with a digital camera no comparison to GHX100ii, its a medium format camera for photo but what they have done with video is mind blowing. It's the closest thing to Ari Alexa. The FLog is god sent, you do not even need raw its so clean and detailed.

I’m seriously considering the C80 as a step up from my MFT mirrorless cameras, especially after waiting years for an AG-AF101 update! Since I’ll have to move to a new system regardless, the triple ISO and built-in ND filters are the main reasons I’m leaning toward the C80-it seems like the perfect upgrade from mirrorless. Oh, and doesn’t the GH6-7 have a DGO sensor, or whatever the DR Boost?

I don't think it's fair to say Canon doesn't have lenses right now. That new 28-70 2.8 looks awesome. The primes are fantastic the 24. 1.8 the 35 1.8 are AMAZING and image stabilized, no other brand is making lenses like that.

Great discussion. While I don’t need a super decked-out cinema camera (as I do mostly photo, but do some video as well), just give me a canon r6IIc with a built-in fan so that it doesn’t overheat in 4k60 and I’d be super happy.

People being hung up on no DGO feels like a marketing ploy. Id give up half a stop all say for full frame, triple base iso and a better read out speed. If the DGO was so great everyone else woulda copied it by now.

Theres people using the RF 24-105 f2.8 on a camera like the Komodo X. But where it holds them back is the lack of AF. This is where the C400 shines regardless of the KX price drop. Sure KX has 16bit raw and is a dream to work with. But until we see further, reliable enhancements, it’s definitely a “choose your poison” type of situation.

There’s a select market where people are focused on image quality regardless if they’re on set or not. Even run and gun. If you’re the type to say shooting 4K is enough for me, you’re not focused on image quality. If you’re shooting 8 bit or 10bit and saying it’s enough for me, this isn’t you. I’m talking about shooting everything in RAW 12 bit and getting the best image. Using lenses that can keep up and retain the information necessary to bring out the best of the sensor. I have a R5C with a 24-105 f2.8 and RF 35 1.4 Along with some vintage lenses. Autofocus is HUGE. The fact you can use a C400, get all the flavors of codec you can possibly want or need with no conversations saying “oh I can’t do that”. Using the best RF glass and the latest AF. C400 is the obvious choice.

I think the best thing to do is hold onto your money unless you seriously need the upgrade. I still believe we’ll see a R5Cii and c70ii.

I’m okay with software limitations to keep people from buying the c80 over the c400 but permanently crippling the c80 with dual sd cards really limits the enhancements Sure they gave the c70 raw because they were able to pull more out of the cards But they are already pulling 2x+ write speeds to shoot 6k30. No way it’ll ever get 6k60 On the other hand the c400 can keep going if they want

The WWF analogy was great. I'm waiting for Sony to come into the ring.

💯 percent, my mind was fixed on getting a C80 until I realized Canon sabotaged this camera by limiting 6k to 30fps and no CF express B card slots 😢 Dumb move Canon!

Thanks Brandon for mentioning if people are already in the Canon line up such as me. I have 15 - 35 F2.8, 28-70 F2.0 , 70-200 F2.8. I wanted to do 4k video with no crop and no overheating. Was going to switch to Sony a7S iii but didn't pulled the trigger as I will lose profit if I switch now. Great video! keep it up!

I dnt see how the lenses are a limiting factor because how many lenses do you really need ? Which lens can you really say is missing ?

Great episode guys! I had wanted a c70 but the softer 4k held me back for future proofing myself. I picked up a Komodo OG and then I wanted a b cam. Looked at Nikon and c80 but ultimately went for a second Komodo OG from Brandon lol let’s see if I end up regretting that when I run out of hard drive space 😅

How does the R5 ii compare to the C80 from a pure image quality perspective? That question has me contemplating canceling my c80 order and getting a 2nd r5 ii especially since I'm a hybrid shooter. R5 gives me 8k 60 raw and can shoot SRAW when concerned about file size

Canon should just put that sensor into the R5C Mark II

Still not real FX3 (form factor ) competitor from canon :<

Went from pre ordering the C400 then i chanceld the c400 and orderd the C80 now im picking up my C400 next week xD Issues with the C80 = Dual SD card... 512gb V90 wich is needed to record all formats costs 780 EURO, for my work i would need atleast 4 of them so thats around 3k euro.. then i rather pay 500 euro extra and get the C400 ;p

COME ON BRANDON! That pun should have been FULLY Intended :D

The C400 offers quite much more for the money. If you’re a pro you know.