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I ended up going with the Ragnarok, based off of the slightly looser more aggressive nature. Honestly though there isn't HUGE differences between them. EQ pedal or amp tweaks could get you close, although the feel will be different.

Hey, thanks for your kind words! I don't know if I did, it was the original wiring and pots, so whatever the 721RW came with is what's in it for both pickups.

I do like that amp a lot, but would really like a less bright bright cap on it soon. Unless it’s ripping it can be pretty fizzy. Vintage modern is for sale but wish it wasn’t. It’s amazing!

Hi by the way!!

@@kaisound868 Thanks for the answer (your dad sent me the link to this) and massive hi too you too. I have the SV20H too and mine is not bright at all (but can be if needed) and better sounding than the old plexis I have. I am not much of a Marshall guy but it is very useful sound at times. One really worth trying is the JVM410HJS (that one I use much more than the plexi stuff), also the YJM (I don't have one of those). The plexi hole seem to be very popular to fall down in, especially when people get older 🙂 Then some vintage guitars to that one.

@@MagnusOlssonGuitar I guessed he might have! Are you not jumping the channels then? Or just running the volume high and using guitar to control drive? I have the 410 but not the JS, big fan of that amp but has too much gain. May swap some valves and make it more reasonable! I just had to try them when I saw them at a good price! Don’t regret it…but struggling to sell so maybe not so smart!

I do jump the channels most of the time and then play around with the volume for each channel until it is “okay” with chosen guitar and speaker (no DI). And obviously the volume of the guitar. Very rarely any pedals in front of it. I like it but don’t use it much. Most overdrive sounds here is that amp (pushed hard) ua-cam.com/video/-1jjHfwah3o/v-deo.htmlsi=qKjK4EHSF7DmH1Wa The normal 410 is one of the most horrible Marshall’s I ever tried. The JS is a completely different amp that just looks the same. From being around great amp builders much the last couple of years would I say that a tube change don’t make that much of a difference. For amount of gain can it maybe change it 4-5%, so my look at it is “don’t like the sound, get rid of it. Not worth spending time unless you gone rebuild the amp (especially the gain stack and the tone stack). It is very cool to see how you grown (music wise) Daniel. Would love to meet and just nerd away.

RG721RW, bought used in 2016 for £400 including the bareknuckle juggernauts!

In this test on average I think I’d agree. It’s midrange, or upper midrange is more gnarly and I personally feel it cuts the most. I got a JVM recently but didn’t think I needed to pop it in the video. Its Plexi thing is ‘better’ than the DSL but I wouldn’t say it’s the special part of that amp, but perfectly serviceable!

@@kaisound868 Yeah I just think the JVM is the most versatile amp as far as covering most Marshall tones pretty well but with the addition of a true clean channel if you need that and also the independent channel eq is a nice thing most two channel Marshalls is a compromise if you want to use both channels the single EQ it’s a balancing act but the Vintage Modern sounds phenomenal in this video. I love the 20 watt Marshalls too and wish they would make a 20 watt JVM

@@brandonjackson5865 agreed! I would say though it doesn’t do a DSL thing really though, not that it matters to most people! I think with one tone stack amps, they thrive with players that use their tone and volume knobs. I do not haha! I’m not sure they could fit all the JVM bits in a small housing! It’s a monster!

@@kaisound868 yeah if they did do it maybe they could do the clean and crunch channels only with sorta a rectoverb control layout 2 independent channels with two selectable modes. Yeah no way they could cram everything into that small a head and suppose I might be the minority in someone who would be interested in that. I also agree that the guys chasing the Plexi thing are not going to be satisfied with anything else more than likely. My current amp is a DSL20cr and it is more than enough amp for me and I love the dsl’s gain sound. I put a V30 in it and that was not the right speaker for it in my opinion, then I bought a used Cream Back and it suits it better in the combo of course I got the v30 in a old peavey vertical 2x12 and probably will try to find something else to pair with it. I didn’t care for the stock 70/80 at all but it might have been better if I had enough patience to break it in.

Appreciate the comment, but I obviously disagree 😅 this is the only way to do a test like this. Same take of the performance sent through each amp. Playing them separately with a new performance generates too much error in the person when their performance reacts to the amp, changing the output from the pickup and therefore the amp. Additionally, the differences in the room don’t matter other than to the individual who has them in the room with them. Every single time you hear a song, you hear an amp, cab, mic, mic pre, eq, compression, limiting and more. If you can’t hear the differences in a mix, then they don’t matter.

@@kaisound868yeah but your video is titled , To Plexi, Or Not Too Plexi(not How To Make Every Marshall Sound Exactly The Same In A Recorded Mix)and most of your viewers are going to be playing the thing solo, in their music room, or jam room, or on stage, where the differences in sound and feel between amps is much more obvious. The guys who only judge an amp for how it sounds in a recorded mix are going to be in the minority. It’s hard enough to judge if a piece of gear is right for you from YT clips but it’s nearly impossible when the amp is in a mix and made to sound like an idealised, massive recorded amp tone. Also, there’s way more gain here than ACDC or Lizzy ever used and once you dial in so much gain you can hear the chord sustain endlessly as it fades out, you’ve gone past the point you’re gonna hear any differences in a mix. And who cares if there’s slight differences in how you, as a player, react to the amp !? Isn’t the idea of having a great amp so that it will respond to your playing dynamics ?? It’s one of the reasons the Plexi is so iconic and as players it’s how we seperate great amps from average amps.

@@zachariahwade8482 it seems you want a non objective test. If you’re happy to change the input, then you’re going to change the output and you’re no longer comparing just amps. If you watch someone do back to back playing of amps or gear and they change anything then it’s not an accurate test anymore and you’re better off muting the audio when they play and just listening to their thoughts on things. Fair point that lots of people play amps in rooms. That’s what guitar shops are for and you can go demo gear there yourself. UA-cam given its lack of ability to teleport viewers to the time and place of videos being filmed cannot give you ‘in the room experience’ which it seems like is what you want.

@@kaisound868 you’re completely missing the point. If the guitar, speaker , mic placement etc is all exactly the same and the only thing changing is the players reaction to each amp, then that is as valid a comparison as any. The idea that if a guitarist played 5 amps, and the only variable is, due to the different feel of each amp, he didn’t strike the strings in exactly the same manner for each amp, and it’s therefore not a fair comparison, is bonkers.

@@kaisound868 and just a FYI, the best YT demo comparisons do indeed give you a ‘in the room experience’, or as close as is possible given the medium.

I've heard about some of these, the guy before me had this from the early 2000s and gigged it extensively and it's still going strong! I'm surprised it hasn't died yet in his use!

Could NOT agree more! Watch anything by Jim Lill and you learn so much about that exact sentiment!

Love his videos, much needed forensic investigation into guitar tone. Nice comparison BTW, looking forward to your next one :)@@kaisound868

I have an Origin combo and it took time to me to realize that the speaker/cab was the problem. Once I got an IR loader pedal, I learned that once you have a Marshall tube amp and a good IR, you can't go wrong!

@@letsgofuckingcrazy yeah you’d get a far smaller difference swapping your origin for a studio vintage than you’d get from going from a 1x12 to a 4x12, or from a greenback cab to a v30 cab!

Is the MG the solid state one from the early 2000s?

@@kaisound868 the mg is the cheapest ones, they still make em, it’s totally non tube beginner, I was just curious if they would hold up

The MG is Marshalls entry level I think modeling amp . I think they’re too many better options in the price range of those like say a 50 watt Katana, but I think the MG can be dialed into have some decent practice tones but I don’t think they are worth the “Marshall” tax . I guess if you could get a used MG cheap enough maybe but I think the consensus is that there’s better options ie Katana Fender GT whatever they are?

@@brandonjackson5865 I'll take your word for it! Not something I've ever had a chance to try.

Thanks! I think it’s stunnning too! It’s in my favourite les Paul I’ve played!

It’s so nice… what is it?

@@joves3407 2001 standard plus in honey burst

Never played one! I’ve heard mixed things but they seem to be gaining popularity?

Much appreciated!

The DSL is a great bargain, but if you like the more vintage side of things then the Vintage Modern would be the way to go. DSL is the most versatile here. Its high gain is an acquired taste but I love it. The baby plexi is sick, but for the same price you can get the arguably better Vintage Modern if you have the space and ability to turn it up!

If your guitar has a burst, transparent or wooden finish. Uncovered is the way for me! Unless it’s a les Paul. Then covered. The rule is there are no rules!

Thanks! My guitar is exactly the same as yours. RG721RW. Is there a difference in tone between the covered and open ones? what gauge of strings are you using?

@@rosenovai I’ve heard there’s a difference between covered and uncovered but I doubt it’s very much at all. Certainly not enough to not be balanced out on the amp, cab or mic! No idea anymore. Think it was a 7 string set but I used the low 6 strings. So had a wound G. Ernie ball.

⁠thanks buddy!

The description is correct. But they may not make this model anymore. Try Reverb or Ebay.

I think you’re asking about panning? The kick and snare stay in the middle, as does the bass. The cymbals and toms are spread left to right as you look at them. I think that answers your question?

@@kaisound868 do you have a patreon or somewhere where i can talk about this further.

Hey @@blue42goo I do not no, but it seems like its a fairly basic question if I understand it correctly. Panning following common trends is really all there is to it I believe.

Have you tried raising the height of the pickups yet?

I had the same experience in an 070R equipped w/ an Evertune and Ragnaroks. I didn't vibe w/ the guitar and the Rags seemed very weak (I think due to pickup covers, tone knob, and evertune bridge). I got another 070R w/ a hipshot, vol only, and Juggernauts (with covers btw) and it slays. From my personal experience the Rags are not very hot pickups and I find the Juggs to be hotter. For the Rags removing the covers will help and removing the tone pot if your guitar has one. Personally I prefer the Rags in 6 string guitars cause the low end is massive. I prefer the Juggs for 7 strings (especially for low tunings) because they are tighter, more focused, and work w/ the extended frequencies better.

@@jaykeunit I didn't know you could remove the tone pot, I might try that. It sounds like that could be the problem, when I roll down the tone knob on my other guitars it actually sounds just like my 070 does with the tone knob all the way up so it could be the wiring not let me turn it up all the way.

@@cashway0420 If you look at the way Misha's Jacksons are built, the tone pot by default is not engaged. It is actually a push/pull tone pot and you have to pull up to engage it. Having a tone pot adds resistance into the circuitry and reduces the output of pickups. I would be willing to bet that when Misha designed these pickups they were intended to be used without a tone pot. Hope that helps solve your issue!

@@jaykeunit Cool, I never use the tone knob on my metal guitars anyways so I might try that with my juggernauts and Fishman Moderns too. Thanks for the info.

I can’t fucking find it in my house. Serious stress, I loved that shirt!

@@kaisound868 I have a track named blazing world, and another named city of the sun 😂

Based on what you've said, i think the Juggs will be closer to what you describe. I've never had the aftermaths but always thought they sounded a little harsh. Neither of Mishas sets suffer from that. Now bear in mind, its been years since I did this, and there was a 3 week period between each playing, so the audio here is better than my memory. I felt the rags were a little looser in the low end, and a bit more uncontrolled in general and that worked for me.

@@kaisound868 I'll give the Juggs a go then and reply to this post again after I've played them for a month or so. Thanks for the input bro 🤘

​@@Earth-Worm-Tim I'm in the same boat man but I'm loading them into my ibanez rgd 2127z

@@Earth-Worm-Tim I'm gonna order the ragnaroks for a drop G# tuning.

@@chazriley7075 I said F it and bought the Rags and the Jugs (they arrive today). I'm going to try the Rags first, and then the Jugs. Whichever I like the most, I'll keep in the Arrow, and put the other in my Ibanez RGIX27. The Aftermath pups are HOT for a passive pup, but they sound OUTSTANDING in my Solar Canibalismo man. I'm tempted to get a set of 7-string Aftermath pups as well to try out in one of my 7-strings as well. However, I tune my 6-strings to C-standard usually, and my 7-strings just a half-step down. I feel like if I was in standard tuning the Aftermath's wouldn't sound as good because they are no kidding the hottest passive pup I've ever played in my life. My intuition tells me the Aftermaths might sound a bit over saturated on the high-end. However, if I'm conflicted on which I like better in my Arrow after I try the Rags and Jugs in it; I may just buy a set of Aftermath pups for the 7-strings and do a comparison. I'll be soldering pups every weekend for the next few weeks regardless. Let me know what you decide and how give me an honest review once you've tested them. I'm curious to compare your thoughts in contrast to my own relative to my RGIX27.

Drop A#

1. The video doesn’t match the audio sadly, the jugg is closer. 2. Think the clean bits were either position 2/4 which if remember the wiring is outer coils either in parallel or series? 3. Wouldn’t have said so no! 4/5. Thanks!!

Drop A#

@@kaisound868 I'm impressed an Ibanez (thin neck) can hold such tunings. I'm asking because I'm about to play (and possibly buy) this very same guitar tomorrow.

@@dokterkarel it’s as low as it would go and the strings are really thick. I think in an ideal world I wouldn’t have less than a 26.5” scale to go this low, and drop B feels about right, maybe drop C. Otherwise the strings stop feeling like strings to me, and feel like cables

@@kaisound868 I had an ibanez baritone 26.5" until a couple of years ago. Tuned in B with 13-59's. Tuning was tight and stable but indeed, the strings were steel cables.

@@dokterkarel yeah I think I had mammoth slinkys for this video, and it’s just not comfy. I generally like thick strings, like 1 up from standard for a given scale length, but once you get that thick it just doesn’t feel like a string anymore! I think a iron label 26.5 with a pick-up swap is the way to go. And get a tech to do the fretwork. This guitar does play lovely though. It’s worth more than you’d pay!

Think it’s in that Dropbox link!

@@kaisound868 where’s the drop box link?

@@goosethebird9666 www.kaisound.co.uk/downloads

I’m not sure, but I imagine they’ll pop up from time to time on reverb?

Both passive

@@kaisound868 thx bro...

Thanks man! Sadly no tabs for this one, but I appreciate the offer. The tuning is drop B flat to start you off if that helps!

@@kaisound868 do you happen to remember what string gauge were you using more or less?!

@@orionperez5803 I reckon they were Ernie Ball 11s, the mammoth slinky or something similar? Whatever their 11 set is with the chunky lows!

how's it, assuming you did buy it? any signs of neck warping or something alike?

@@romanthegambler6966 no signs of warping..the only actual detail that I can point out is the nut. Sometimes you might touch it with your hand while playing bars on the first fret, but I assume that's because of being fanned frets.

@@FilipeGomesDrummer yeah, that's multiscale for you. Thanks a lot! I was drooling over this guitar for a while, but my multiscale Harley Benton progressive has got an awful neck warp after some time bc of the scarf joint on the neck, the tech said it was almost beyond saving

@@romanthegambler6966 I bought mine for 250€ used. Honestly I don't have any complaints, but keep in mind that I'm primarily a drummer and only play guitar as a hobby. You might have more demanding expectations

Hey Cédrik, it seems like for the most part you enjoyed the video or found it useful I hope? I get that the frames change somewhat quickly, but the pickups are what tell you what it is that you are hearing. White bobbins is the Ragnarok and black is the Juggernaut. Additionally, I knew people would want more flexibility than I could offer in a video so added the files for people to play with themselves in the description. Hopefully that helps!

While the quick cuts are certainly unnecessary and annoying, the content of this comparison is one of the best I’ve seen for any pickups. It wasn’t difficult to tell which pickup was being used.

ha! No idea, I cant say I see the resemblance!

Jesus Christ I went potato on my comment. I promise I’m literate.

@@LafBoi Not gonna lie...this is exactly what a potato pretending to be a human would say...

@@kaisound868 ...You’ve got me.

Lol

A lot of it will depend on your DI box/interface. When I had a focusrite scarlet gen 1/2 I always had dead distorted sounding DIs. I got an audient id22 afterward and the built in DI was miles better and cleaner, the two notes reload di was better again, and now a radial pro 48 which is like £100 is better again. Basically you need headroom, and the Radial does this best. Then it’s about making sure your absolute peaks are less than -10db, to be safe maybe even -16db. You can always turn them up later, but you can’t get rid of clipping.