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Another thing to consider with the Shanty Town aesthetic. A lot of that is simply because using scavenged wood and furniture is a lot easier to do than making those processed materials from scratch, so of course people tend to go that route even well into the future. Especially since in the modern world, most people don't have the skills to make proper lumber from trees, and since there's an easy-enough source of resources in the form of scrap, people continue not to learn or redevelop those skills in the wasteland. It's telling that the most advanced societies, like Shady Sands or Vault City or New Vegas are built up from some sort of pre-war prepared organizations, like the Vaults or Mr. House, who do have the bandwidth and resources to use those skills. Something that doesn't happen in FO3 and FO4 due to a lack of those kinds of organizations on the East Coast. Going back to the scrap side, the only downside of using scavenged materials are that they're never quite perfect for you purposes, which means occasional holes or imperfect patches. And as you point out, the post-nuclear world is dangerous and highly subsistent, meaning that folks often don't have time or ability to pursue better outcomes. You're constantly just having to make due with what you have. Combine that with the sorta post-post-post Apocalypse setting of FO4 (i.e., after the fall of the CPG and Minutemen), and it makes sense that things fell a bit reset again, even after 200 years. Because they honestly kinda are. And they haven't had the massively civilizing boost that a good control vault designed to actually help rebuilding efforts might provide (aside from maybe Vault 76, which very likely had an unhappy ending that we don't yet know about).

Slums, like the ones we see in South America, Asia and Africa exist surrounding wealthy cities. This is of one very simply reason - most economic activity happens in downtown, which pushes land and housing prices up, then housing prices around downtown are pushed up further because those working in downtown need a place to live close it. And as you go farther away from downtown you go through more and more layers of decreasing economic strata (excluding suburbs). The poorest may have no economic opportunity (jobs) in the countryside so they try to move to the wealthy cities, to work in the service economy for the better-off. This causes a ring of slums to develop on the city outskirts. Slum cities, where the entire settlement has slum conditions physically cannot exist. Slums are created only because of the economic disparity between the super-productive/rich downtown and the less-productive trying to get a bit of that wealth by proximity. If the whole city was a slum (had poor housing) that would imply everyone working there had around the same level of wealth and since people are by nature productive creatures, they would all improve their housing as much as they could. Megaton and Diamond City look like poopy because that's what the artist drew them like, there wasn't any consideration for realism.

The problem isnt that shacks exist. Its that its been hundreds of years and the building materials havent been upgraded from slavaged scraps.

I also want to point out it's totally possible for us to lose knowledge and regress as a species because it happened. A lot. Bronze Age collapse as an example, or how we forgot how to work with lead

What was the slave outfit in vault 111 there for…

come on, does it really take much effort to not sleep near piles of trash?

Although they are on other sides of the continent, the buildings of Shady Sands circa 2167 has much nicer buildings than the Commonwealth. They do not look like salvaged shanties like Diamond City circa 2287 120 years later. The buildings are made of adobe. And compare Shady Sands of 2241 (Fallout2), where it now has infrastructure like electricity, water, perimeter defenses, a police force, parks, "...offering a quality of life nearing that of the pre-war world...". Whereas DC looks like a Brazilian favela. Just because the "City of God" also exists in Sao Paulo in the modern world doesn't mean it's something to aspire to. But to this guy it's good enough, apparently. Or, look at Vault City, also circa 2287. A citizen of the Commonwealth, even from DC, would be little more than a tribal. Downvoted due to the "liberals defeated by facts" bullshit comment. Although I guess he's poking fun at himself and how badly he fails to make a point? Maybe an ironic upvote then?

You know what is more abundant than tatoes? RadAway. Eat all the meat you need, the wasteland is your buffet.

Why is everyone assuming all of human history and knowledge was kept in tact? Did people forget most of Europe and so on forgot how to build an arch for a few hundred years just because the Roman empire got destroyed along with all of their knowledge being destroyed? When the bombs fell, most books were probably deleted. Some people also need to note that in this world, there is no internet. You can't just google how to build the best home. No. Most of these settlements were built long after the bombs, which means everyone who knows proper construction, electrical engineering, and other important shit are dead. Human history was probably completely wiped out, and now the only history is the thought of life only just before the great explosions. Barely anyone survived after the bombs, and only a few hundred were saved with each fallout shelter.

love the video man. You got some pretty good takes, would love to see more!

I needed this video. I find video essays, where people think they can make the game better, as if they themselves have made a hit game from the ground up. Yea sure it's easy to correct something when it's already existing.

I’ve noticed I play fallout 4 up til I join the bos and then I miss fnv and mod it to hell again

I think it's just the assets of FO3, which were then re-used for New Vegas and then just simply copied again for FO4 that makes things look "run-down". If Bethesda copied the aesthetics of the settlements in the original games, then there wouldn't be this disconnect between the original games and the Bethesda games. As someone else mentioned, there is a diner in FO4 with a woman working the counter, but there's still dirt on the floor, broken windows and skeletons. It just destroys realism and immersion when you see a character living in abject filth and is too lazy to clean it up. Honestly, FO4 was a decent game (it's still not New Vegas and is more of an action game with rpg mechanics than a true rpg in my opinion), but it didn't feel like a Fallout game. It felt more like a game that was meant to emulate Fallout made by people who didn't really get what Fallout was.

Todd's lore is more inconsistent than unrealistic. It doesn't take the pre-war knowledge or Bob the Builder army to clean your settlement and throw some wood or tiles over the holes in the roof, and you don't need advanced strategic textbook not to settle right next to supermutant hideout. It takes years, not hundreds of years to build yourself a proper settlement.

I feel like diamond city is meant to be way bigger than it is in game

The biggest issue is that there has been 200+ years since the bombs dropped and what is there is minimal. Sure, diamond city is pretty well progressed. However that's like one of many settlements, analyzing just that one is cherry picking. Settlements like bunker hill and abernathy farm are the complete opposite of weather resistant, holes in roofing and walls, they look like they could be completely destroyed in one rain storm. Sure your argument of "the player is supposed to build these settlements in order to improve them" is valid, and from a gameplay approach makes somewhat sense. However, this still leaves the same main critique of "why does it look like society hasn't reasonably progressed in almost 200 years." Going back to leaving the improvement of settlements up to the player, the reason I mention is that it makes "somewhat sense" is because the game doesn't really encourage this type of settlement construction, it encourages placing certain objects around until the needs of the settlement are meant, making sure there are water pumps, generators, some turrets and gaurd posts, beds, and some crops for food. The settlements are likely going to be left in the state they were found by the player with a few alterations to make sure the needs of the settlers are meant. This still leaves the whole question of "why do settlements appear to not be as progressed as they should."

i thought it was so funny that gray randomly went on a tangent on how everything is "woke" nowadays because he cant say slurs anymore or something and then continued as if nothing happened x3

More videos like this!

I love the super mutant that keep popping up lmao idk why but it made me laugh EVERY TIME

Its not about realism but about the lore established by past games. The first shitty settlement in fallout 1 shady sands is already far more developed than most settlements in fallout 3 and 4. Some fallout 4 npcs would not even bother to move the skeletons in the living room away and diamond city is not even close to any town in fallout 2. The only reason for this that Bethesda came up with is to say "yeah for some reason the east was hit worse" but every other creature and danger in the east is just copy pasted over from the west Bethesda just had a different vision for fallout but they did not bother to come up with believable world building to justify the changes and more importantly the stagnation of the fallout world. Fallout was never realistic but in not bethesda fallout it was at least mostly consistent

Now this is good content! UA-cam personalities have some weird hatred for Bethesda that has made most to all content negative, we need people like you to call out that shit and explain why those people are wrong!

Fallout Reality in the real world isn't possible. In a Nuclear war, all of the Nuclear power plants will experience Meltdowns & the spent fuel pools will catch fire. This will render most of North American un-inhabitable for thousands of years. Too radioactive to live. Also the decay would be much worse after 200 years. None of the buildings would be standing.

The official Fallout Tabletop game that has an expansion set in the Commonwealth, and is set before the events of the main game. The first lines in it's description is that "the Commonwealth settles in for a long, deadly winter" and in the Commonwealth it seems winter does happen but infrequently.

11:20 ok I’m sorry but that’s not correct. While literacy declined and elites were poorer during the Dark Ages in Western Europe, the level of technological advancement only declined for about a century or two. It’s just that feudal societies weren’t politically capable of building large urban centers or infrastructure projects such as Rome due to lack of a centralized state. The more technologically advanced a society is the easier for it to bounce back because your “original” population stock can disseminate more collective information, and there’s a pretty stark difference between the U.S. not being able to build highways and fully reverting back to a predominantly agricultural economy

There is still snow but we only see it in a DND fallout game yes this is a real thing not many people talk about it but it takes place in Fallout 4 map when the Minuteman were strong per sole survivor

"The Shandification of Fallout" did a lot of damage. It was uploaded way back in like 2012 and used the question "what do they eat?" to highlight differences in world design between Fallout 3 and New Vegas. The idea wasn't that New Vegas's world was more plausible, but that you get more of a sense of how different parts of the setting relate to each other and what people do from day to day by thinking about things like "what do the people eat" and seeing how the game answers that- people grow corn in their yard, the NCR has a big farming complex etc- but the fanbase latched onto "what do they eat" not as an example of area design but as an armor-piercing question that all games in the series must answer or perish. Never mind that, in Fallout 3, the answer is part of the plot: "nobody eats much of anything, the whole region is circling the drain because the water is poisoned"

10:00 Okay to an extent, i can understand the annoyance at the game being unrealistic, i spent like 2 hours researching actual nuclear fallout and what it does to the world, only to find out it didn't at all matter to the fallout setting because fallout just said, "eh, fuck it, we'll wing it." 😂 Why was i researching for fallout? Well im gonna run a table top game set in the universe so i wanted to figure out just how much i could get away with. Turns out, quite alot man. 😂

I think its also worth mentioning that most Bethesda fallout games take place in heavily populated areas like Boston, and Washington D.C., which is literally the capital of America. And would have likely been a huge target during the Great War. Complaining about how theres been no development in these areas is a little silly, considering its a miracle that these areas are even inhabitable at all

My understanding to why the world is the way it is in Fallout is because there’s no official government. There’s people, factions & even robots who try to pretend to be but nothing is official. Because nothing is official there’s no real laws. So if some people try to rebuild & some raiders want the resources or a group like the brotherhood wants to use strong arm tactics to horde all the technology they’ll just do it. There’s real shanty towns all over the world in places where things are run in disorganized fashion. My take is that in the Fallout world it’s even harder for the people to recover is because not only are a lot of people bad some of the people aren’t even people there are hostile mutations.

another crybaby loser bested by the disciples of todd howard himself. video liked and shared among my circles

We are also assuming that in winter the farmers in far flung settlements dont haul their harvests to diamond city and exchange food for a room to hold out in over winter. A sort of seasonal work force. So the shabby shack might only be built for 3 seasons because its only meant to be used for theee seasons. (Assuming that in a oil starved world the climate hasnt been f'ed so bad that winter doesn't exist.)

the funny thing too is in the modern world alot of people dont know construction skills or survival skills which adds to the immersion as they would only know how to build basic rudimentary shacks

I’m so tired of people saying “why don’t they sweep up the rubble?! Haven’t they ever seen a trashcan?!” Like good god have you seen India? There’s rivers of trash and they haven’t had a single nuke dropped on them once

I disagree and agree with both of you. For a society to thrive it needs numbers and expertise. Yes, the wasteland has food and water but does it have the numbers and the knowledge to build itself up. That’s what made Shady sands so amazing in the Fallout world because they had a population of 30,000+ people. It also depends on whether you have to lead a nomadic or stationary life. I imagine after the bombs fell people bunkered down but mostly fled and lived like nomads for resources. Then you have to take into account whether or not any of the resources around you are good much less if you have the tools to process/collect them. My only gripe with fallout esthetic in 4 is that there are no simple log houses or mud hut type dwellings anywhere at all being made. No way to preserve their food for long term storage and small gardens are treated like large farms with enough to feed the family but also drag across the dangerous common wealth to sell. Also the supposedly established settlements have maybe one farm animal in the least. So it doesn’t feel like any rudimentary survival skills are being used. Even if you don’t have to worry about winter/snow there will be temperature shifts as the earth rotates on its axis and around the sun. The earth doesn’t stop being the earth because we dropped bombs. Not to mention those rad storms that nearly blind your character as they blow through your settlement. So living in a place that doesn’t have large exposed holes in the walls or busted windows makes no sense either. Like at least put some boards up if you are worried about the giant rad roaches and bloat flies. Also I do think that eventually people would have to upgrade their dwellings (such as in diamond city) because all that untreated wood and metal will decay in such a rainy region of the US. So the idea of it being scrapped together makes sense at first but eventually you would need to upgrade the foundation of your structures to something more permanent and less prone to decay than scrap wood. Because diamond city looks like a huge fire hazard. Plus all the garbage being around makes me think diamond city is going to experience a plague soon. I agree that you are supposed to make your settlements livable but then you should also be allowed to tear down preexisting structures. And not be stuck with certain buildings. If you have the ability to build you should be allowed the ability to tear down.

I AM SO GLAD that somebody FINALLY mentioned the fall of the CPG and how it affects the state of the commonwealth when we first wake up from the vault

I disagree with your points, but I applaud your attempt to rebutt it. So I'll subscribe. I'll leave my two points: One, Bethesda is, like, reaaaaallly bad at time management in lore. You see this in Skyrim, most glaringly in the Thieves Guild quest. Karliah has been hunted by Mercer Frey for TWENTY YEARS. Buddy, I'm twenty- five, and I find this very suspect, even discarding that Mercer is human and Karliah is an elf. The Thieves Guild, somehow, has lasted 25 years on bad luck? With no government to back it or whatever? They could have made it three and it would make far more sense. Two, and honestly, this is most dissapointing: the 200 years after the apocalypse ended and there's no lore about the Commonwealth aside from that ONE attempt to unite it. So much shit can happen in 200 years. There are empires that lasted less, but the Commonwealth is so bereft of it. Even if you have the Institute Illuminating the place, that's 200 years of jack all progress. Little industry, little government, little ... anything. I don't personally subscribe to the theory that Fallout 3 was supposed to take place earlier in the timeline, but Fallout 4 seems to pretend so. Those are my main issues.

Well I just wanna throw in, shrooms growing inside tchernobyle wich feed upon radiation (actual a true fact) even glow green/blue'ish hence why it makes perfectly sense for that "toxic radioactive glow"

So no ones gonna talk about the particular item of clothing in vault 111 huh, for those fellow cultured men who know yeah you know what im saying

Admittedly I kinda lost my marbles at the modded vault suit, it was very funny to see that

For me it's not the shabiness of the cities , it's the lack of logistical believability, and lack of scale of population. If you look at RDR2 or Witcher 3 there are way more people who have specific jobs that pertain to the function of the city's economy. Having goofy green "unrealistic" mutants is not relevant to criticisms like this imo. You make many pedantic points that miss the forest for the trees of the original points you are criticizing. You even defended the Abernathy shack from "pedantry" with a very pedantic point yourself.

Dont let creetosis see this, he'll make a 9 hour response video.

9:30 put on my literacy cap and noticed its "barracks" not "barrocs"

whole video is fake and gay

"media literacy" lmao

hell yeah

fallout is about rebuilding not always blown down

I enjoy F4 but the point he's trying to make is a larger east vs west coast thing. West coast lore is largely a rebuilt society. They're making their own industies again and the NCR have a population of around a Million with a multi-state government. Vs east coast which is in a technological culd-a-sac where nearly everything is static with shack homes and scavenging food. Though will def agree with his point that the player building a shack from pieces of metal shouldn't have as large of gaps in it

The problem is that there's a 130 year time gap between Fallout and Fallout 4, and yet there's no noticeable progress when you compare the towns of those games

well I suppose its all speculation and preference

Loyalty to the theme of your work is more important than realism. This man is destroying the leftists with actual knowledge of art.