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5 Exposing Richard Dawkins Moments
Richard Dawkins is an evolutionary biologist who has debated Christian apologists for years. I review some of Dawkins's videos online and breakdown the subtext of things that I notice. None of this is "true" per se; it is just my thoughts, which suggest a more compelling narrative of Dawkins' views.
The Most Evil Idea in the New Testament - Richard Dawkins
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Dawkins vs Peterson: Memes & Archetypes
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Build the Life you Want - Arthur Brooks
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The #1 Thing Christians Get Wrong About Christ's Teachings
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For over 2000 years, the mystical traditions that helped found Christianity have been pushed out by the desire for power and control. In this video, Paul Kingsnorth identifies the difference between Christ's teachings and the Christianity that has been built to build empire. I provide my additional thoughts. Article "Wild Christianity": www.paulkingsnorth.net/wild-christianity Videos I clipped:...
Alex O’Connor is No Longer Vegan (Here’s Why it Matters)
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"Man's first religion was to kill God and eat him." - Weston LeBarre This quote reflects the connection between human spiritual life and the hunter-gatherer origins that birthed us. The skeptic debater, Alex O'Connor, has been a vegan for some time, finding our current factory-farming system morally corrupt. He still feels this way, but he also started eating meat for personal health reasons. T...
Jordan Peterson Critique That Will Blow You Away
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This Jordan Peterson critique by Paul Kingsnorth is cogent and instructive. There are many valuable perspectives that Peterson holds on Christianity and the Biblical stories. This critique does not detract from the overall depth and magnitude of Peterson's contributions. However, Kingsnorth provides a scathing and well-founded critique that is sure to entice any spiritually-interested person in...
Gnosticism: New Science Spotlights Ancient Christian Beliefs
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Gnosticism stems from the word "gnosis", meaning knowledge. In Greek, it points towards knowledge of direct experience versus other types of knowledge. The term "Gnosticism" was first coined only a few hundred years ago as an umbrella for other texts that the Church Fathers initially found distasteful to their Orthodox sensibilities. While SOME of the so-called Gnostic texts certainly have uniq...
Absolute Morality (and What Would Jesus Do?)
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Is there such a thing as Absolute or Objective Morality? In this video, I discuss morality from both a religious and atheist perspective. More importantly, I share why I initially scoffed at the question "what would Jesus do?" but now see great value in it. Videos I included: Best of Rickard Dawkins vs Religion: ua-cam.com/video/Yhqpub3-dD4/v-deo.html Atheism Logically Dismantled: ua-cam.com/vi...
The 1 Thing Atheists and Christians Both Agree On (It’s not what you think)
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Atheists and Christians BOTH believe this one thing. Clips used in this video: The Importance of What Neither Side is Saying - Charles Eisenstein ua-cam.com/video/uo3f9O4I5HQ/v-deo.html The Trap of Being Right ua-cam.com/video/WB2RANaY65E/v-deo.html
Atheists Ask yourself these TWO questions
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Atheists: Ask yourself these TWO questions We all live by heuristics. For Atheists, there are a few assumptions about reality that can get them into trouble. Here's the study I referenced regarding quality of life and spiritual beliefs: pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9142435/ Here are some of the videos I clipped from: God is a Delusion with Alex O'Connor: ua-cam.com/video/cS75cQocF1c/v-deo.h...
This 1 Saying Changes Everything in Christianity (Stunning new find)
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If true, this one saying could unlock much of Christianity. Here's my analysis of the following Logia from the Gospel of Thomas: “Yeshua says… Your scholars and religious leaders have taken the keys of knowledge and locked them away. They have not used them to enter in, nor have they allowed those desiring it to do so. You, therefore, must be as subtle as serpents and as guileless as doves.” Wa...
Why Thomas May Be My Favorite Apostle
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In 1945 a bombshell find at Nag Hammadi kickstarted a whole new perspective on Christianity and the teachings of Christ. In what is considered by most to be the Gospel of Thomas, we see an altogether different view of the teachings. Thomas leaves out miracles, stories, and histories. Instead the text focuses on 114 Logia or wisdom sayings that start with “Yeshua says…” (Jesus says…) The non-dua...
How and why “Spiritual Warfare” Corrupted Christianity
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The concept of “Spiritual Warfare” influences Christianity at the deepest level… and not for the better. In a recent speech between Rod Dreher and Paul Kingsnorth, I heard the term “spiritual warfare” and understood the deeper implications. This video explores the term's genesis, how it’s impacted Christianity's legacy, and how misinformation it can be about creating the more beautiful world Ch...
World Religions Battle Royale: Who wins?
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Which world religion wins in a Battle Royale? History has some clues. As does Game Theory. In this video, I describe why certain religions have proliferated and others have not. While there is surely wisdom in the religions with the most adherents, there are also less virtuous reasons why certain religions gain an advantage over others. Understanding the deeper reason for theological “success” ...
The Most Poetic Free Will Argument
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Do we have free will? I can’t answer that question definitively, but I have found one of the most poetic ways of relating to this age-old question. In Kahlil Gibran’s poem “On Children”, we can see the argument for why a paternalistic God would desire us to have a measure of free will. You can find out more about Kahlil Gibran here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahlil_Gibran You can find the poem “On ...
The 1 Thing Dawkins AND Peterson Get Wrong
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The 1 Thing Dawkins AND Peterson Get Wrong
Sacred Hunting: Public Land Archery Elk Group Hunt - PART 1: Bitter CO Medicine
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Sacred Hunting: Public Land Archery Elk Group Hunt - PART 1: Bitter CO Medicine
Hunting on Psychedelics: Me Using 5 Different Tools (Don't Try This At Home)
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Hunting on Psychedelics: Me Using 5 Different Tools (Don't Try This At Home)
Is Killing Wrong? We Found the Surprising Truth in Hawaii
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Is Killing Wrong? We Found the Surprising Truth in Hawaii
Psychedelics Therapy for Veterans: Marine Touches Gun for First Time Since War (Watch what happens)
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Psychedelics Therapy for Veterans: Marine Touches Gun for First Time Since War (Watch what happens)
How to Render Bear Fat (With 3 Major Mistakes)
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How to Render Bear Fat (With 3 Major Mistakes)
Hunting Invasive Species with this Surprising Approach
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Hunting Invasive Species with this Surprising Approach
Hunting in a Blind: The Surprising Truth About Our Ancestors
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Hunting in a Blind: The Surprising Truth About Our Ancestors
Psychedelics and Hunting? How These 2 Go Together Surprisingly Well
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Psychedelics and Hunting? How These 2 Go Together Surprisingly Well
Hunting in Hawaii: #1 Thing You Need to Know
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Hunting in Hawaii: #1 Thing You Need to Know
Top 5 Wild Edible Berries in Texas
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Top 5 Wild Edible Berries in Texas
Copper vs Lead Ammo: 3 Surprising Reasons to Choose
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Copper vs Lead Ammo: 3 Surprising Reasons to Choose
Harpy Eagle Facts: King of the Skies
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Harpy Eagle Facts: King of the Skies
Stop Hunting for Big Bucks (Here's Why)
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Stop Hunting for Big Bucks (Here's Why)
Viral Cougar Confrontation (My #1 Tip)
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Viral Cougar Confrontation (My #1 Tip)
7 Hunting Tools I Keep in My Truck at All Times
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7 Hunting Tools I Keep in My Truck at All Times
Ethical Hunting: 6 Cornerstone Suggestions
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Ethical Hunting: 6 Cornerstone Suggestions

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  • @gavigaviman
    @gavigaviman 11 годин тому

    you are speaking about Buddhism and hippy culture... I had to stop at 45s

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 11 годин тому

      Well, you're free to stop whenever you please. However, the fact you cannot watch because it's a different perspective and (more importantly) that you feel the need to comment suggests there is something else going on here. Likely judgment. But I'm open to hearing if my assessment isn't correct...

  • @B.Wilson-x6l
    @B.Wilson-x6l День тому

    Interesting that you refer to the Christian monks who brought Christianity to Ireland. When Saint Patrick was in North Ireland trying to eradicate the burning of children as human sacrifices his monks where building the monastery of Iona. Saint Columba gave a speech to the assembled monks. "It good for us that our roots should go under the earth here; it is permitted that one of you should go under the earth here; it is permitted that one of you go under the clay of this island to hallow it". He was buried alive, but went straight to heaven with no purgatory. This is human sacrifice practised on every continent on earth. Foundation sacrifice. Christianity was fighting against the old religion while practicing it. Our bible tells us that sin can only be forgiven by suffering or death . A human sacrifice dogma. We continue to live on the Planet of the Vampire Gods. Our suffering is being fed upon.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton День тому

      @@B.Wilson-x6l Christianity clearly incorporated many elements of the old world. And some new interpretations, some good, some not so good. Where did you find that story?

  • @ncheltsov
    @ncheltsov День тому

    It would be so much easier if you just turn to Orthodox Christianity and read the tons of ascetic literature on which teachings it emphasises. For example "Dorotheus of Gaza". His writings are a must to understanding the Christ teachings in practice. And there are many, many more which are totally ignored in western Christianity. But you also need to know that "Monasticism" appeared quite late in the Christianity history (almost 300 years later - Antony the Great) and at first it was quite organised and this is quite clear from the Saint Paul writings in the New Testament. Also you need to be very careful in trying interpreting the Christ worlds by yourself. This might lead you to quite wrong conclusions which happened a lot of times through the history and which is the reason why there are so many protestant deviations. Orthodox Christianity accepts only the sum of common understanding of Christ teachings by all the holly man which lived for the last two thousand years and who devoted all their lives to Christ.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton День тому

      @@ncheltsov do you have some English language texts you like? I have read many. Including Athanasius, Antony etc. It’s worthwhile to be open to many views within Orthodoxy while also remaining discerning. We know that Athanasius had his own (at times selfish) motivations for his contributions to Christianity (including NT books) so it’s not all without discernment.

  • @Sudulicious
    @Sudulicious 2 дні тому

    The real teacher is the Buddha, Christ is just a copy paste of Buddha's teaching in Europe and then used as a political instrument

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 2 дні тому

      @@Sudulicious there are overlaps for sure. Christ had some things added he never consented to. But there are differences.

  • @deepdubbss4998
    @deepdubbss4998 4 дні тому

    Alot of people get "turn the other cheek" wrong too . Do you know what turning the other cheek is good for ?

    • @gavigaviman
      @gavigaviman 11 годин тому

      its good for getting you to tremble like a Lil'B

  • @ricardoveiga007
    @ricardoveiga007 5 днів тому

    This critique of Peterson is shallow and ultimately biased. Peterson explore the Bible as a cultural treasure that must be used as a key for enriching life with meaning. As a very spiritual and altruistic person, Peterson incarnates the Gospel and Christianity through his good deeds and benign influence over million people. Left-wing academics, politicians, and their flocks have chosen Peterson as their favorite enemy. They hate Peterson's acute criticism on their bad-faith, doctrination strategies, and, most of all, incomplete and wrong understanding of the world.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 5 днів тому

      Hmm, I'd venture to say that it's primarily you who is biased. Just because someone makes a critique of Peterson doesn't mean he hasn't done much for Christianity as a store of wisdom. Kingsnorth is not left-wing and doesn't see Peterson as an enemy. He is providing a critique, which everyone should welcome in order refine our thinking.

    • @ricardoveiga007
      @ricardoveiga007 4 дні тому

      @@mansal-denton I am not against criticism of Peterson or anyone, but the speaker reduced Peterson's account of the Bible to a fairy tale. This is an example of the fallacy of the straw man argument. It is clear to me that the speaker is not fully informed. Yes, I may be biased, but it does not prove that I am wrong at all.

    • @ricardoveiga007
      @ricardoveiga007 4 дні тому

      Even though I am an agnostic, I prefer to judge a person by his deeds rather than by his (misundetstood) words.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 4 дні тому

      @@ricardoveiga007 For a fervent believer in the story of Christ (which Kingsnorth is), Peterson's insistence that it is a metaphor or story (vs real resurrection, virgin birth etc), does come across as offensive. That is the ultimate point of Kingsnorth when he says that, but I agree with you that he is simplifying Peterson's point a bit.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 4 дні тому

      @@ricardoveiga007 Agreed there too. I love Peterson. I do think with everyone either being a sycophant of his beliefs OR opposing them simply to be in opposition, it is rare and unique to get a critique of this sort. Hence my highlighting it. But I appreciate your perspective and commentary.

  • @Nichejackers
    @Nichejackers 6 днів тому

    I love your channel.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 6 днів тому

      @@Nichejackers I appreciate that 🙏🏽

  • @archadeinteriors
    @archadeinteriors 7 днів тому

    i found your closing remark uniquely meaningful, if not memorable as well, and when looking to find some other videos on the channel and seeing that you espouse pursuing wisdom traditions without ties to any i found it to be surprisingly contradictory with reference to your closing remarks being about a daily connection with Christ . .how can you have a sincere dialogue with Christ if you don't hold ties to any wisdom traditions,. . . indeed, if someone lives such a mandate to interact with Christ on a daily level i think they would indeed flourish in or within a Godly relationship as such, well for the record remember this, Christ did not say the most important thing in life was to love thy neighbour he said it was to love the lord God with all your heart and to ' love your neighbour as yourself,' and so, leaving out loving God is not optional . .that said i still think that your intent to answer to or speak to Christ each day was brilliant and beautiful, God bless and much love .. : ) . .

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 6 днів тому

      Thank you for the kind words and thoughtful response! I'm glad this resonated. To clarify, I have a direct relationship to Christ as a symbol of many of the greatest aspects of humanity: compassion, forgiveness, integrity, and courage. I also have a felt-sense connection to God, which is a daily practice of prayer in addition to more thorough practices at other times of the week/month/year. Some are Christian (Mass or Eastern Orthodox Liturgy), some are not (sweat lodge, entheogens). There are elements of man-made organized religion that I reject while appreciating many parts of wisdom traditions to create my own personal cosmology.

    • @archadeinteriors
      @archadeinteriors 4 дні тому

      super interesting and thanks so much for comment! : )

    • @archadeinteriors
      @archadeinteriors 4 дні тому

      . . i'm reconsidering this comment i made ( see above : ) ) with the fact of how much the initial idea motivated and/or inspired me! . .i'm specifically recalling a time of seeking and searching from two sides of approaching "God" and/or life's meaning . .i think it was the concept of Christ as an idea and being introduced to the idea of Christ as a person, and how this idea evolved or developed in my life, anyway, all of this is incredibly interesting and immensely inspiring to me!!!🙏 God bless and Godspeed . .

  •  8 днів тому

    I like Dr. Gabor Mate's assessment of Dr, Jordon Peterson. That Jordon is an extremely angry man who doesn't seem to really understand where all of his anger is coming from. But isn't this true of a lot of Christians? 💙

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 7 днів тому

      I can see an element of truth in this. For both Peterson and Christians. But also those who vehemently "oppose" them. Plenty of angry, hurt atheists and vegans who wrap their anger in a veil of self-righteousness (as we all do). Better for us all to be aware of it and how it influences our lives.

    •  7 днів тому

      @@mansal-denton... But isn't this opposition which you mention simply defensive. Aren't they just opposing Christian fascism. Christian's trying to force their beliefs onto everyone else. Just like the Roman Catholic Supreme Court. If Christian's would mind their own business people would probably like them better. And perhaps their population would not be going down the drain in America decade after decade.💙

    •  6 днів тому

      @@mansal-denton... Isn't their opposition simply self-defense from Christian's trying to force their beliefs on everyone else.💙

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 6 днів тому

      At face value, yes. I understand that. But looking deeper, it might be more than that. For example, if someone calls me “stupid”, I generally don’t care because that’s not a story I have about myself. I’m not going to try to refute someone based on how much intelligence, etc I have. I just ignore them. Unprocessed emotions are at the root of both.

  •  8 днів тому

    The Christian Trinity which isn’t Biblical at all should be understood to symbolize the union of the Flavians and the Alexanders and the Pisos. Ever notice how the narrator of the writings attributed to Saul/Paul and those of Josephus have a psychological similarity? They both started out on one side and then converted to the other. Epistolary Fiction was extremely popular in the ancient Greco-Roman world. As was Midrash in the ancient Jewish world. And Emperor Vespasian was a big believer in propaganda. If the Flavians were capable of creating something like the Roman Coliseum. Just think what they might be capable of had they wanted to create a new parental deity religion? Which the ancient world had been doing for quite a long time. When the Greeks conquered Kemet which they called Egypt. They created a hybrid parental deity in order to combine Egyptian mythology with Greek mythology. So they combined the Egyptian God Thoth with the Greek God Hermes. They called him Hermes Trismegistus III. Which means… “The Thrice Great.” He was famous for triumphing over the season of death. Which is what the number 3 almost always symbolizes in World Mythology. Isn't this what the Flavian Dynasty did after conquering the Jews? Didn't they create a new hybrid form of Greco-Roman Judaism? To integrate Jewish mythology with Greco-Roman mythology? Calling him… “Jesus The Christ.” Who is also famous for triumphing over the season of death. As represented by… “The Trinity.” Again the sacred number 3. Isn't this a better explanation for the origins of Christianity rather than Harry Houdini magic? Wasn't Paul secretly working for the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't all of the original Roman Catholic Saints' members of the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't all of the original symbols used by the earliest Christians identical to those of the Flavian Dynasty? And wasn't the earliest iconographic image of Jesus The Christ, in a catacomb, under the city of Rome, which was owned by a Flavian Princess? Weren't all of the original Jesus cult texts produced under the oversight of the Flavian Dynasty? Didn't the Flavian Dynasty posses the only remaining copy of the Hebrew Tanakh other than the Greek Septuagint translation? Isn't there Flavian typology in the Gospels? Weren't the canonical texts all back dated like the historical fiction of Gone With The Wind? Which was written in the 193O's but back-dated to the 185O's and 186O's. Wasn't Emperor Vespasian known as the Jewish Messiah? Wasn’t Pope Clement of Rome a Flavian? Wasn't Josephus a temple whore for the Flavian Dynasty? Just like Tacitus. Weren't the Flavian’s, as well as Paul, descended from King Herod? There was no separation of Church and State in the Roman Empire. And Christianity is clearly a Greco-Roman hybrid form of Judaism created by the Flavian Dynasty. As an attempt to adapt, pacify, and integrate the rebellious and defiant Jews into the rest of the Greco-Roman Empire. Just like the Greeks created Hermes Trismegistus to integrate Egyptian mythology with Greek mythology. Then finally Neo-Flavian Constantine chose the Flavian family religion to be the official religion of the entire Roman Empire. In order to consolidate power in his fractured Empire. As well as to generate revenue for his depleted treasury. And then Eusebius edited and rewrote the history of the previous 3OO years. Destroying all contradictory evidence. Such as all of the non-canonical Jesus cult texts. It isn't history it is all simply Greco-Roman mythopoetic literature. Today it is known as Historical Fiction. “What profit hath not this fable of Christ brought us.” Pope Leo X 💙

    • @archadeinteriors
      @archadeinteriors 7 днів тому

      this is all a bunch of historical jibber jabber, well meaning as it may be, *and certainly informative too*, one day read the new testament, if you can, it's only about three hundred pages, and then maybe read the old testament, incomprehensible richness and indeed true life itself is the net claim of that pursuit ; )

    •  6 днів тому

      @@archadeinteriors... Regarding the Jewish Tanakh. When are Jews going to publicly apologize for their genocidal teachings in their book of Leviticus? Which is the source of all homophobia in Western civilization. Which is the only reason why the President of Uganda is sending all of his LGBT citizens to prison and now worse… execution. If Jews would only publicly apologize for Leviticus perhaps he would stop. Perhaps everyone would stop. Drug Dealer's and Corporation’s bear responsibility for the toxicity of their product. And when your genocidal teachings pollute the entire world. You should be moral enough to accept some personal responsibility for all of the human damage. Even Roman Catholic's attempt public apology for their genocidal teachings. Like their apology attempt for the Roman Catholic Teaching Of Jewish Deicide in the 195O’s. After the Holocaust which it produced. As well as Pope Francis' current attempts to apologize for the Roman Catholic Doctrine Of Discovery. The source of the genocide known as Colonialism. When will Jews practice some Tikun Olam and help put an end to all of the suffering they have caused the LGBT population of planet Earth? Please apologize and stop all of the pain. Obviously anti-semitism is not the oldest hatred in the world. The oldest hatred in the world is clearly Jewish genocidal homophobia. And if one is LGBT there simply is no real difference between the Jewish book titled Leviticus and the German book titled Mein Kampf. So please have a heart. The Jewish Tanakh is a genocidal text. I know because it calls for my genocide in Leviticus. A teaching so hate filled that it turned me into a carcinogenic alcoholic by the time I graduated from High School. A teaching so ugly it is an abomination against all of the Gods. And the story of Noah And The Flood is just about the single most sadistically genocidal narrative the human race has ever created. Obviously those who worship genocidal Gods become genocidal themselves. Genocidal teachings produce genocidal people. As the nation of Israel is currently demonstrating every single day. And as the entire world understands genocide is never ever self-defense. Nor is ethnic cleansing. And isn’t Idealism always, always, always, based on Denialism? Let’s all remember that criticism and bigotry or two totally different issues. And that absolutely nobody is above criticism. Certainly not the genocidal Jews.💙

  • @WolvesHart79
    @WolvesHart79 8 днів тому

    What an absolute dipshit elitist take...

  • @Dmcgrady7
    @Dmcgrady7 9 днів тому

    Why are you talking about relationships with sentient beings while hunting them? Eat a can of beans, it won’t make you weaker. A vegan was literally World’s strongest man. Many Marathon runners are vegan. Protein is protein. It’s a molecular compound. You don’t lose anything by getting it from plants. Eating flesh is closer to cannibalism than eating plants is to “rabbit food” or some other pathetic fake macho view of veganism…

    • @SteversChed
      @SteversChed 7 днів тому

      Stop making things up. He was never the world's strongest man. He was no where near the record. Baboumian confirmed his use of animal products anyway.

  • @Reignor99
    @Reignor99 9 днів тому

    ya, a thousand years from now they'll probably the mistreatment of animals similar to how we view racism and slavery now, obviously wrong but accepted by almost everyone at the time

    • @SteversChed
      @SteversChed 7 днів тому

      I doubt humans will evolve away from being omnivores in a thousand years.

  • @Tomek666
    @Tomek666 9 днів тому

    hunted food is only availeable to few people and is not sustainable for world population at all, people kill 82 000 000 000 land animals every year, now imagine how much land it would take, there's not enough on this planet with current population. hunting in larger scale requires breeding animals into existance just to be killed and eaten at the end and you know that life of wild animals isn't full of joy, it's cruel, so why force them to experiance that by billions?

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 9 днів тому

      I'm not advocating it for the entire population. It's available to anyone who can do so (in USA), but most people have, unfortunately, not been taught to do so. I don't have an answer for all of the world. I can only speak for myself. I'm not saying domesticated animals are bad, but the way they are being done in most instances is horrific.

    • @Tomek666
      @Tomek666 9 днів тому

      @mansal-denton what are you in favor of hunting, deer, rabbits, anything or something else?

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 8 днів тому

      @@Tomek666 For me personally, I hunt anything that is edible and I feel good about eating due to the population size. For example, in Hawaii where a lot of my meat comes from, there is an overabundance of human-introduced deer that is wreaking havoc on native landscapes. This feels like an ethical place to source meat.

    • @svedrics
      @svedrics 8 днів тому

      @@mansal-denton Hi again! I left a reply to our thread yesterday but had to reupload it. I see where you’re coming from, and managing invasive species to protect ecosystems is important. However, rather than hunting, non-lethal methods like sterilization or fertility control could address overpopulation without causing harm. For instance, immunocontraceptives have been used successfully in controlling deer populations in parts of the U.S. Even when population control is needed, it’s worth considering the ethical perspective of the individual animals. Deer, like all sentient beings, value their lives and experience fear and pain. If sustainability is the goal, a plant-based diet remains the most effective way to reduce environmental harm while avoiding harm to animals entirely. It’s a solution that addresses both ecological and ethical concerns, as I pointed out in my previous comments.

    • @Tomek666
      @Tomek666 8 днів тому

      @@mansal-denton is your possition (correct me if not): there's a number of overpopulated animals that should be hunted down for safety of the ekosystem and if they have to be hunted let's eat them, Also there's number of animals elsewhere that can be hunted without destroying ekosystem there and everyone who has a choice between factory farmed meat and hunted meat should choose the latter even tho it is possible for small subset of people. Ok, to me that's just few people. Hawaii has 14mil people and 17k deer were killed in Hawaii this year, there's no ethical way to kill more than 100x that to feed people instead of factory farming. To end factory farming people would have to eat a piece of meat few weeks per year, or have 90% of people go vegan, in either case that would make you in favor of availeable plant based foods for anyone. Or did I get something wrong?

  • @legday1337
    @legday1337 9 днів тому

    what deg*nerate cr*p did the algorithm provide me once again

  • @CaptainDogFood
    @CaptainDogFood 9 днів тому

    I read the title as "Alex O'Connor No Longer Matters".

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 9 днів тому

      LOL. I would not consider that to be true.

  • @svedrics
    @svedrics 9 днів тому

    Why does it matter how an animal is killed? In the name of God? If that’s what God asks, then what role does the devil have? What did they eat in paradise before the world was thrown into sin? Why was Jesus outraged in the temple? “For I desire mercy, not sacrifice.” I can go on. If you listen to Vegan UA-camrs, and if you are honest with yourself, you will realise there is no excuse for animal cruelty. And I also recommend watching Christspiracy.

    • @valtteripennanen4043
      @valtteripennanen4043 9 днів тому

      to say that there is no need for animal cruelty, which should be as minimized as possible btw, would indicate that if there was any higher being in a position of power as the Christian God is assumed to be in, it indicates severe incompetence of said higher being for allowing the bad and the cruel to exist.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 9 днів тому

      There is plenty of materialist evidence to suggest that it matters how an animal is killed. Plenty of studies show the different biochemistry in an animal due to the final moments of its life (and indeed HOW it lived as well). For example, animals that are killed in a controlled slaughterhouse (which is akin to a house of nightmares) have similar stress to animals that are wounded in the wild and trying desperately to survive. As for all of the Biblical references, much of what Jesus and early Christians were railing against was animal SACRIFICE. Which I do think is different than today, though in some ways it might not have been any worse...

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 9 днів тому

      @@valtteripennanen4043 I think a Christian's point of view would be "free will", but I don't believe neither Alex nor I consider that to be an adequate solution to the problem.

    • @svedrics
      @svedrics 9 днів тому

      @@mansal-denton I appreciate the time you took to get back to me. However, you did not adress the why. In reality, the question served to make you ponder over the necessity of it in the first place. The main point I tried to make is that the means do not justify the end, since the end is unethical. If you do not have to hunt an animal for you to live, it is not a necessity, but a choice, and I wanted to make you think what that choice entails. Between hunting to connect with nature and growing crops to connect with nature, one sounds more peaceful than the other and I know which one I would pick. Again, if you look at veganism from a spiritual or religious point of view, an animal's life is best respected by not having it stolen from them. I cannot recommend Christspiracy enough. It all started with one question (or two): How would Jesus kill an animal, and is there a spiritual way to kill an animal? I really do wish to know what your take on it is. Perhaps you could make a review on your channel?

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 9 днів тому

      @@svedrics Thanks for the kind dialogue and good questions! I believe that all sentient beings have value and to kill them is nontrivial. For example, most people would find great sadness to see entire forests clear cut and destroyed. Thus, plants too have their own form of sentience. I won't say to kill a plant is the same thing as to kill an animal, but it is on a spectrum in some way. When I think about eating food, I'd say only those who eat exclusively fruit from their own garden would have a significant moral advantage. Fruits are by definition part of the plants that do not kill them and have a desire to be consumed. It's symbiotic. But it is incomplete. For most people who are vegan, there is an untold amount of death associated with monocrops. Vegans generally eat more beans, eat more corn, eat more wheat/gluten, oats etc. All grains, and plenty of seed oil crops like sunflowers, become killing fields for mice, fawns, foxes etc. It's impossible to count how many lives are lost in growing vast quantities of crops (which are required for preparing the caloric density for most vegan foods). Some estimates in Australia calculated 2.2 times the sentient life lost from a vegan diet simply due to the number of sentient animals killed in fields (per calorie required). I'm not perfect. Killing an animal is very sad to me. But factoring everything together, I would say it is the best I have found for me (and it's privileged to believe so).

  • @Podling_Dan
    @Podling_Dan 11 днів тому

    Excellent video brother

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 10 днів тому

      Thank you! Glad that you liked it.

  • @alexandrbatora9674
    @alexandrbatora9674 11 днів тому

    Why use phrase "self-proclaimed atheist", what are you trying to achieve by that, sound smart? Also: who else coming from Aron Ra's video?

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 11 днів тому

      I've said this before, but I'll clarify again for you: It is only fair for those who claim the label themselves. I cannot project that label onto someone as labels are often used to falsely disparage someone. For example, if someone is drinking alcohol and it is affecting their life, it would not be kind for me to call them "alcoholic". However, if they claim they are alcoholic themselves, then I can speak to those people who identify that way/with that affliction. It was a statement made for the intention of consent and respect, not condescension.

    • @alexandrbatora9674
      @alexandrbatora9674 11 днів тому

      @@mansal-denton wow, you are sooo virtuous, I envy your character. Man, try buIIshitting harder, this wasn't good enough.

  • @BenJSavage
    @BenJSavage 11 днів тому

    Sometimes, we don't know all the facts. Discourse is a real-world issue.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 11 днів тому

      I love discourse and find it valuable. I'm not sure what you mean by knowing all the facts in terms of the critique on Peterson's perspective.

  • @user-zj4hb1db3g
    @user-zj4hb1db3g 12 днів тому

    You and the critic are picking and choosing from Peterson who, only recently, has talked about the need for Christ in our lives. You talk rubbish now, and you were rubbish on the new Top Gear.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 11 днів тому

      Sure, I can see us picking and choosing, but if he appeals to the Church and mentions Jesus Christ one time, there is a valid and worthwhile critique there. I don't condemn Peterson wholesale, but it is worth a critique. The mantle of Christianity has been USED by many for their own needs and wants. No need for modern people to do so as blatantly as Peterson as well.

  • @rejinc
    @rejinc 12 днів тому

    The answer to the questions, Does it matter? Is there proof of a god? As far as atheism that is my only question, the rest is fluff. Cigarettes give a rush and make smokers feel good, so is the feeling good beneficial? Religion has been the most successful intellectual road block for humankind. One can only imagine where would be without centuries of stifling religious demands. The examples are endless. Sure it was helpful but now taken too far. It is silly and sad to see grown men and women spend their lives defending fables from old books.

  • @Prodykcja-jl4ie
    @Prodykcja-jl4ie 12 днів тому

    "Selfproclaimed atheist." What a sheep-like and sequacious way to construct an expression. It has the same redundancy as, let's say self-proclaimed pacifist. It isn’t a title or rank someone bestows on you.

  • @richardharris8538
    @richardharris8538 13 днів тому

    Most of us were indoctrinated with one religion or another as children. A few of us were fortunate enough to have subsequent experiences that gave us the tools to undo that indoctrination. EUDEMONIA (or Human Flourishing) December 2024 Why is there SOMETHING, instead of NOTHING. It’s a mystery! It confounds philosophy, quantum physics, and cosmology. Whence came energy, and matter, and the laws of nature? Were they deftly ordained by a Divine Creator? No, a god can’t be the answer, it begets a two-part question, what begot that god, is there an infinite regression? Theology’s sophistries, with special pleading, used etiology, and the illusion of design, and tendentious teleology. Stone Age people, for want of any science education, invoked gods and spirits in their explication of forces of nature, both wondrous and frightening, like fire and flood and thunder and lightning. Their superstitious beliefs they thought made sense of a world incomprehensible, mired in their ignorance. From shamans in trances to praying priests on a mission, mankind’s ‘Original Sin’ was ‘The Fall’ for superstition. Since the brutal Bronze Age we’ve endured the Inquisition, Holy Crusades, the Holocaust, and the many Wars of Religion, and yet the gods in their abode remained silent and invisible, though they still begot theology that’s really quite risible. If a god were real, to spare us havoc, it should reveal its plan, but the gods, all, were made in the image of man. So, what confounds the concept of objective morality? Why, all the gods who condoned their own immorality. Could an ethical god create cruel congeries of carnivores, with canine teeth, raptorial beaks, venomous fangs, and claws? Did a god create parasites, bacteria, and viruses like herpes, but keep hidden from us that germs can cause diseases? Did it make men strong, but some, brutal in seduction, yet give women all the burdens of human reproduction? No! A moral agent, to be ethical, accepts their duty of care, so, not one of mankind’s gods could be ethical, just, or fair. Jehovah, Christianity's Almighty Lord God, lords it over Heaven, though he's a sordid old sod. He's malicious, capricious, jealous, and genocidal, homophobic, misogynistic, and megalomaniacal. He tasks his sidekick, Satan, with cruel sadism in Hell, torturing 'sinners' for all eternity, and atheists as well! So, as the problems with theodicies remain unresolved, Jehovah, from his turpitude, cannot be absolved. See the Sikh, Muslim, Jain, and Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Baha’i, Mormon, and Scientologist, Spiritualist, Wiccan, Christian, and Jew, Confucianist, Shintoist, Taoist, and Hindu. Yea verily, the faithful at prayer look vacant and dopey; prayer doesn’t work, it's fatuous and hokey. If praying to your god really worked, just imagine, our world a better place, sans plague, sans war, sans famine. Well, why would yours be the 'One True Faith' in a magical, phantasmagorical, astral wraith? The varieties of religious experience reveal feelings of a god's immanence might seem quite real, but feelings of the numinous are clearly psychological, thus belief in your god is really quite illogical. So, does your faith afford you comfort, in times of strife, or do you fret about cruel punishment, in a mythic afterlife? It should be evident we have just this one life, with all its pleasures, challenges, toil, and strife. As social beings we evolved our moral sensibility, combating selfishness, lust, and venality. Human evolution's due to Natural Selection, so life derives no purpose, at any god’s direction. Purpose implies design, for it to make rational sense, but for a rational designer, there’s no objective evidence. To give your life meaning, choose a purpose or mission; it’s a betrayal of reason to put one’s faith in a religion. The faithful think their god bestows blessings or strife, so they’re judgmental, but it’s chance that rules one’s life. Religion’s harm exceeds its good, the rationalist laments; false beliefs foment fear, injustice, and malevolence. When faith deposes reason, tyranny stalks the land, where flames of fear and bigotry are furiously fanned. Religion should have no say in the politics of a nation; its revelations and dogmata lack a rational foundation. Aristotle’s eudemonia, or human flourishing, conflicts with the social engineering that religion inflicts on societies that could democratically endorse rationality-based ethics, mores and laws. The most religious nations often are the most barbarian, whereas the least religious are the most egalitarian. Religion validates discrimination and oppression; religious faith stifles policy on research and education. Moderate religion's like fertile soil, full of pious ordure, wherein extremism takes root, to terrorize and torture. Holy texts, from ancient times, in ignorance divine, were blind; LGBTQ and straight folk are all equally fine. See, a new era beckons, where humanity could be, as reason infers, one great family. You can blame wishful thinking, religious indoctrination, and maybe, psychotic delusion or hallucination. But there’s no need for you to blame your genes, your faith’s also fomented by religious memes. They corrupted your mind with a contagious infection of superstitious ideas that can’t stand close inspection. So, cast them out, get rid of that insanity, then you can revel in your unfettered Humanity!

  • @braedenlocke6820
    @braedenlocke6820 14 днів тому

    Is it to "love your neighbor" to feed a delusion they are experiencing that is in fact consuming them with darkness. Measured by a suicid* rate that is only raised by the "acceptance" and "treatment" they receive from the ppl who affirm them?

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 13 днів тому

      I would argue, "yes". What you suggest may or may not be correct, but it is undoubtedly a judgment. You are judging that it is a "delusion". Yet we know: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." It reminds us of our erroneous judgments. With children, from my understanding of the literature and those with decades of experience, the least effective way of raising kids is forcing them. Far better is to be an open and supportive, loving being until they decide they desire to learn more.

  • @joearceneaux9854
    @joearceneaux9854 17 днів тому

    The Blacktail deer hunt on Kaua’i used to have a very low success rate. Because there were squatters in the game mgt areas who poached..a lot. After some well known squatters moved out / died about 12-15yrs ago, the deer numbers increased. The diversity of upland game bird species available in Hawai’i is amazing; 3 species of francolins, sand grouse, Kalij pheasants, CA, Mtn and Corturnix quail, 2 dove species, Ringneck pheasant, Rio Grande turkeys (and some very Merriams looking turkeys…Hmmm)

  • @MisterItchy
    @MisterItchy 17 днів тому

    I am not a 'self-proclaimed' atheist along with whatever baggage you're trying to hang on that title. I simply don't believe there is a god of any sort. Would I rather be in love or would I rather be right? I would rather be right. Just because I'm right, I don't have to 'force anything down anyone's throat'. If they don't love me for who I am, they are not worthy of my love. I don't fervently believe in my point of view. I just don't believe in yours. You are exactly right that 'faith' is believing without knowledge, therefore, you are choosing to be wrong. If it is not true, it is not useful. These are extremely lame questions.

  • @milansvancara
    @milansvancara 17 днів тому

    I'm not sure you (or in fact most theists or even atheists) really understand what subjective/objective/absolute morality means, I myself mixed it up few times. It's mostly just a misunderstanding based on not-understanding the terms or mixing them up and conflating one with another (and I don't blame you, semantics mixed with philosophy - basically grammar mixed with opinions)... Anyway, let's not lose time with pure semantics and let's dive into it from a bit different angle with examples. 1) First of all, morality is directly derived from empathy (or at least the important morality - not the religious useless fillers like "Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material". I'm not sure whether you recognize evolution or not, but most Christians are not young earth creationists, so let's assume you are not either so we can skip some explanations (if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask) - empathy is one of crucial evolutionary tools we have as a species, which made complex relationships and cooperation possible and more efficient - there is a very specific area in brain that is responsible for empathy, and we know that since when that area is damaged or underdeveloped (inactive), those people can not feel empathy anymore (by older but welll-known term - psychopaths, sociopaths..) - It's a sense, you cannot willingly turn that off, just like you cannot turn off smelling or tasting. It was a crucial part of our species' ability to survive, and it also means people are good and altruistic by default - this is why no God is required to tell us that for example murder is wrong. In fact, people convinced that we need a book to tell us that slaughter is wrong, are likely those earlier mentioned psychopaths and sociopaths - the actual potential monsters of humanity 2) Subjective morality is often misrepresented by theistic preachers and apologists as moral relativism where "anything goes." This is not the case. It is similar to this example: Can you say that "poison is *objectively* bad"? No, you cant say that. It's *subjectively* bad because it depends on many factors. For whom? Used for what purpose? It can be something that kills you or it can be something that cures a disease. Or it can be good for a tropical frog because it uses it as a defense mechanism but bad for the predator. On the other hand, when you specify the issue, you can say "Drinking high doses of Ricin poison is *objectively* bad for human survival". This is the difference between objective and subjective. It doesn't mean that "anything goes", it is still strictly based on reality and causes and effects and subjects involved. Just to sum it up, no - subjective morality doesn't mean that you have no basis on which it's judged, neither does it mean that you can choose whatever you perceive as good/bad. 3) Absolute morality is by far the most ridiculous concept of all 3 of these (and this is often what apologists mean when saying objective morality). It means that things are moral/immoral always regardless of any circumstances or objects/subjects. For example: Claim: Stealing is immoral Situation: Some kid is having a diabetic shock, and you know your neighbor has insulin injection in his house, so you break in and steal it and save the kid. According to the absolute morality view, stealing being wrong is part of the universe and existence of everything (for example god said it), so this action is immoral according to absolutist with the claim 4) That being said, I'm not aware of anything that Jesus said that is either original to him (not used commonly before him), or that isn't a direct derivation from pure sense of empathy we have. I'm not saying that he was not a good person, I'm not saying that he wasn't a good example of some use of empathy, but he was by any means not essential to establish any morality system. In fact he just did used the evolutionary sense of empathy I was talking about. Moreover, some of "his" highly regarded concepts (that btw appeared long before him many times in historical records) like the golden rule ("do to others what you would have them do to you") can be significantly improved by pure use of empathy instead of this derived version -> since everyone likes/doesn't like something else, you should consider that many things you would have done to you would someone else still heavily dislike when being done to them anyway I tried to be as friendly and non-condescending as possible, hopefully I fulfilled that to invite honest conversation. Feel free to react

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 17 днів тому

      Ok this is a long one so first, thank you for taking the time to deliver a thoughtful answer. I'll address each one as you've numbered them. 1. I believe in evolution and don't consider myself a Christian/theist. I appreciate the perspective that morality stems from empathy. Or at least is related to it. I am not entirely sure humans are generally altruistic. There is a very cogent argument to be made that humans are willing to work together, sure. However, there seems to be a mechanism where we support ourselves when doing so. There are plenty of examples where this is NOT the case (people supporting one another as part of their humanity), but I don't know that what you claim is "fact" per se. Let's call it "debatable". "this is why no God is required to tell us that for example murder is wrong. In fact, people convinced that we need a book to tell us that slaughter is wrong" I'm not sure this is accurate either. We know that when the Bible and early Christian texts (even Jewish texts) were created, they were at the very least equal to some of the most moral teachings. They have lots that would not be considered moral by today's standards (immoral, actually), but at the time I would say it was better than average. It doesn't mean everyone lived that way (they didn't), but the professed doctrine was generally quite ethically sound. But let's assume that that assertion is not true. Even if it is not true, it is definitely true that the human brain learns and connects significantly better with stories and narrative a la our ancestral past. Being as how that's the case, some aspects of religion certainly do well to best inform an easier access to virtue/morality. 2. I like this point and I think any Christian/theist who tries to argue "anything goes" isn't fully giving credit where it is due. That being said, it's at the edge cases where these questions become most valuable and important. Example: Modern archeologists almost always know where Roman brothels were located because underneath there are literal piles of buried infant bones. But not just infants. Exclusively males. The girls made it to adulthood so they could be brought into the same sexual bondage as their mothers. There are many things wrong with this scene, but Christians were early in giving rights to unborn fetuses. Set aside the fact that plenty of so-called Christians still took part in these ethical abominations (including leading clergy, most likely!), that doesn't change that stories of Christianity / Christian piety did change this. Maybe not exclusively. Maybe not fully. But it did change with time. How we parse what was the ethical/narrative guidelines of Christianity vs our evolution as a species? Hard to say. Examples more close to home/quandary for today's morality: Someone commits heinous acts against the innocent. Rape and murder of a child. Should they get the death penalty (i.e: should we kill them)? That's a tough one. A lot of people theist and atheist would say to kill them. But there are certainly Christians who would see the story/symbol of universally forgiving Christ and forgive this person. 3. I may have mistitled/misspoke. I certainly don't believe this to be true. I'm far more interested in nuanced situations. 4. I would have to comb through all the evidence, but I wouldn't say this is far from the truth. My claim isn't that Christianity is the highest form of ethics then or now. In fact, Stoic / ancient Greek etc had a lot of similar thoughts/beliefs. Some maybe even more advanced. What I would argue is that part of what makes humans humans is the communication of ideals from one generation to another so that they do not have to necessarily learn from scratch. The evolution in ethics today vs Jesus' time (at least looking at it from certain perspectives) is very clear, but how much of that was humans writing and sharing narrative stories, metaphors and symbols that provided a framework from which to build upon? That's not to say it was inherently used for good. My argument is that it was, more often than not, used for subjugation/domination. But seeing as how it is here and it CAN be used for good, I see no reason to cast it out. It seems like you're on the same page. I think our greatest difference might be that you believe we didn't need religion / theism to get the morality we now have and I'm not yet convinced of that.

  • @rmd9988
    @rmd9988 18 днів тому

    He did answer, you just didn't get it. There is no such thing as absolute morality, because morality evolves.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 17 днів тому

      Looking back at history, I would see that morality does evolve. How does it evolve, though? One could argue some version of evolving through and up Maslow's hierarchy of needs. But that doesn't fit 100%. What do you think?

  • @nrupenchudasma4101
    @nrupenchudasma4101 18 днів тому

    Slavery and Jesus? Family and Jesus? Do you want to talk about all of that and still say religion us moral and rational ppl are missing the mark? How much so you miss? Go and read , if your inside does not say anything about religion and morality then pls don't give lecture.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 18 днів тому

      @@nrupenchudasma4101 I don’t recall Jesus saying anything about slavery, but the Old Testament does and it’s damning for anyone who thinks these texts are infallible (they’re not). Unfortunately, the symbols and valuable insights of these spiritual texts/concepts gets largely used for people to do what they’re going to do (manipulate and subvert), which I don’t believe is moral. Idk what your last paragraph means. Please rephrase.

  • @Ratva666
    @Ratva666 19 днів тому

    Dude you don't know what atheism means in general just like you don't know anything about deities. I am such a strong ATHEIST that I do not believe in God even if I could see Christ in heaven coming on the wings of his angels. Because if I saw Christ then I would KNOW but I would NEVER BELIEVE in God. What I BELIEVE and no one has PROVED to me yet is that God is EVIL. Well, that is something that is believed and not necessarily known. What you need to KNOW is whether God BELIEVES in you and where is the PROOF of God's faith in you. What you're talking about is, as Americans like to say, trash talk.

  • @scotthullinger4684
    @scotthullinger4684 20 днів тому

    Atheists are not the least bit introspective ... and cannot even ask the most simple of questions. Atheists are self righteous and close minded in the EXTREME -

    • @donthesitatebegin9283
      @donthesitatebegin9283 19 днів тому

      Projections.

    • @Nai61a
      @Nai61a 19 днів тому

      scott etc: Just because we do not believe [your] "God"-existence claim does not mean we are any of the things you assert. As to asking "the most simple of questions", you must know that is simply not true, yet you choose to assert it. Assuming you are a Chrsitian of some sort, a Muslim could write your comment simply replacing "atheists" with "Christians".

  • @Wertbag99
    @Wertbag99 20 днів тому

    Unlike some responders I actually quite liked those questions. Many apologists post questions purely for the gotcha point scoring, but these questions caught me by surprise that they weren't the same old tired ones (where does the universe come from? and where does life come from? being the two most often repeated). Agree or disagree with the questions, but something that makes you think deeper than handwaving away the same old questions is a breath of fresh air. Rather be in love or right? - I would point out that theists do claim truth, and from their perspective they are right in a loving way. In real world situations this is a very circumstantial question, as you need to understand the impact that being right will have as to whether it is better than not hurting someone's feelings. If the truth I have is that something is dangerous, then I may need to push that truth regardless of it hurting my relationship. I can imagine situations where both answers are correct, depending on whether the fact is insignificant or important, then your position may change. Is it true or useful? - Is believing a lie good because it is useful or is the hard truth preferrable? Some people will fall on either side, but really no one holds a belief they believe is wrong, they have been convinced of an idea. You can't choose to believe what you are unconvinced of, so even if religion has benefits that alone cannot change someone's position. You show statistics saying that religion is a positive, but I would point to counter statistics showing that the most prosperous, safe and happy nations are also the least religious (Scandanavia and Oceania being the two most often at the top of such charts), while nations with majority Christian populations score worse. Theocracies have been poor governments and usually entrench tribal ideas of in-group vs out-group. Theocracies will ban other religions, enforce their own teachings and promote people based on adherence rather than merit, while a secular government will include freedom of religion in its founding ideals. The removal of religious conflict can be useful, so it is possible that atheism is both true and useful depending on the exact situation.

  • @Pohgrey
    @Pohgrey 20 днів тому

    "Would I rather be right or in love" is a malformed question right out of the gates. For one, I'd rather not be wrong about the person that I love. Of course I'd rather be right

  • @justincredible.
    @justincredible. 20 днів тому

    You have no clue of what love is, do you?

  • @justincredible.
    @justincredible. 20 днів тому

    On "Would you rather be in love or right?" Being in love and being right are not mutually exclusive. Atheists often value truth because it fosters genuine relationships built on honesty and understanding, rather than delusion or pretense. If the analogy is about relationships, choosing love often requires compromise. But in matters of reality, compromising on truth for comfort is intellectually dishonest. Would you rather believe a comforting lie or face an uncomfortable truth? On "Is it true or useful?" Just because a belief is "useful" doesn’t make it true. Placebos can be useful but are still false. By this logic, should we advocate for falsehoods just because they make people feel good? Studies on well-being often fail to account for cultural factors, such as the stigma atheists face in religious societies. In secular societies, atheists report equal or greater well-being without the need for belief in a higher power. On "Faith vs. Rationality" Faith without evidence isn’t a virtue; it’s gullibility. Rationality doesn’t make people unloving or disconnected-it simply demands that beliefs align with evidence. Atheists are not devoid of connection or love; they just don't ground those feelings in unproven supernatural claims. On "Connection to something greater" Feeling awe or connected to something bigger (e.g., nature, humanity, the universe) doesn’t require invoking "God" or a higher power. Secular experiences can be just as profound without the baggage of unsupported metaphysical claims.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 20 днів тому

      Re: your connection to something greater. I agree it doesn't require invoking God or a higher power (though invoking them can be nothing more than putting a word or symbol for something that can't be explained). How would you describe the profound experiences?

  • @twosheds1749
    @twosheds1749 20 днів тому

    Some people care about the truth, other people just want to pretend the things they like are true! I would rather know the truth than pretend otherwise.

  • @CharlesPayet
    @CharlesPayet 21 день тому

    Given that I see many atheists have already provided thoughtful answers, I will simply echo the basic answer: these are really bad false dichotomies, thus making your answers severely lacking and your thought experiments woefully incomplete. Please continue studying - you have a LOOONG way to go.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 21 день тому

      @@CharlesPayet The majority of people got defensive, as usual. And insulting. Like you. But if you look hard enough, you’ll see a pinned comment and a few others with thoughtful and less hateful responses.

    • @CharlesPayet
      @CharlesPayet 21 день тому

      My comment was not meant to be insulting, but statements of fact. Others have already pointed out that your statements are false dichotomies, thus your answers are woefully incomplete. You need a LOT more study to understand how weak your arguments are.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 20 днів тому

      @@CharlesPayet Why is it that some people thought they were great? Obviously, it's not a "fact". It's just your frame of reality. And the fact that you think I have an argument is more a reflection of your frame of reality than the video. I don't really care what people believe, I'm simply offering an invitation for personal reflection.

    • @Nai61a
      @Nai61a 18 днів тому

      @@mansal-denton I hope you have seen AronRa's thoughtful response to your video. For my part, insofar as we recognise the usefulness of belief, this is because it is comforting to believe what a lot of others believe, particularly when that belief mitigates the fear of death. We cannot (yet) know what the world would look like if most people did NOT believe in "Gods". My intuition is that we would seek to make the most of the short lives we have, with all the positive implications of that attitude.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 18 днів тому

      @@Nai61a I just found it! thank you for mentioning it. I still don't understand why he or anyone thinks I'm a theist. I'm not a Christian and I don't have any kind of strong belief. I do think that when we are honest, there is a level of "I don't know" that comes with our relating to higher power. Seeing as how I don't know, but I have FELT things I consider to be divine, let's say, it makes sense for me to lean into the possibility of something greater. This isn't a Christian definition and it surely isn't a suggestion for others. I don't have a way I describe the ineffable per se. But I have a direct relationship myself. And I brought up the studies on wellbeing because some type of transcendant/spiritual connection does seem to be better for general wellbeing.

  • @britishrocklovingyank3491
    @britishrocklovingyank3491 21 день тому

    Question 1: This makes no sense and has no meaning but here we go. What will I be wrong about? What is the type of love with a person? Sometimes a are hard truth is better than getting a hug. Question 2: Again not a good question. You really have a knack for not making sense. So the me try to answer this question to the best of my understanding. I am happier as an atheist then I was as a believer. Can you watch this video again and make a follow up where you actually say what you mean.

  • @therealgodd-l4u
    @therealgodd-l4u 21 день тому

    yes, someone who was indoctrinated as a kid and is trying to push his beliefs on others.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 21 день тому

      @therealgodd-l4u I don’t know who you’re talking to, but I was not indoctrinated with anything as a kid and I’m not trying to push anything on you either. I’m not Christian

    • @therealgodd-l4u
      @therealgodd-l4u 21 день тому

      @@mansal-denton BRUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, I just saw a video of some guy debunking you. Are you a Muslim? And where you born into a Muslim family?

  • @milansvancara
    @milansvancara 21 день тому

    1) Love is linked to knowledge on many levels, these two things are not mutually exclusive by any means. For example, I love my wife, but if I knew she didn't exist, I wouldn't love her. I perhaps could love my brain imagining my potential wife if I didn't have one, but at that point I would just love myself, which I despise. On top of that I love for example also honesty, which quite strictly forbids me from being dishonest and lying to anyone or myself if I don't want to be a hypocrite. 2) Again, truthfulness and usefulness are by far not exclusive to each other, and in more instances that none, truthfulness is absolutely essential for any usefullnes to emerge (basically all science resulting in existence of planes, phones, internet, and so on.. All of this require scientific method, which is an entire process of thinking many people adapted and it resulted in this). You can't have your cake and eat it too. Instances where lies could be useful if normalized can exist, but are overwhelmingly overshadowed by the other option. Also, I'm not sure you are aware of what this (and many other studies about wellbeing connected to religiosity) suggest. Yes, religion can indeed make some people happier as individuals, because it helps people coping with misery (effectively by trying to remove or misplace their full responsibility of their wrongdoings and miseries in the world). BUT sets of people are happier the more secular is the place they live in. The more secular countries are, the higher wellbeing their populations tend to have, and there are many reasons for that. Some of the most prominent reasons for this is how tightly is religion (especially Abrahamic religions) linked to increased war fervor and hate for outgroups (xenophobia, homophobia, etc..). Also the very fact that stronger coping mechanisms (i.e. religion) besides giving some people some comfort also makes those people much less likely to fix those issues and to fix the misery in society. I give you three exaggerated examples so it's clear enough for anyone to understand: a) people living in a region with religion-driven wars can be much happier if they are religious because it helps them coping with the harsh reality and gives their suffering some purpose, however as a result of that there is much lower chance of that religious conflict to ever stop and if it does stop there is much higher chance it will happen again ===> religious individual is happier than others, but whole society is living in much more misery as a direct result of that b) when religious people believe that diseases are caused by demons/curses/god's wrath, it makes individuals dying of cancer/plague/leprosis muuuuuuuuch happier and it makes much easier for them to cope with the sad reality. But as a result of that, research of medicine doesn't progress and the whole society is suffering immensely because of that. c) when someone is taught or anyhow convinced that it's okay to believe anything that makes him comfortable regardless of what empirical evidence says, it kills critical thinking in society. It can again help the individual for a while (or certainly makes their live and thinking process easier), but it makes it incredibly easy for any populist in politics (or elsewhere) to push their lies without any retaliation whatsoever, because you are not taught to be a sceptic and to verify reality and desire some evidence for it -> again, resulting in misery in any democratic country So this is it, I'm not sure if you have time to respond, but someone might find this "useful:P". Sorry for my mediocre english.

  • @planktonA
    @planktonA 21 день тому

    You. Are. Wrong.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 21 день тому

      Sarcastic or not, I thank you for adding to the algorithm's considering my video worth commenting on :)

    • @planktonA
      @planktonA 21 день тому

      ​@@mansal-denton You are genuinely and unsarcastically wrong. As simple as that.

  • @FactStorm
    @FactStorm 21 день тому

    Many religious apologists always start with straw manning atheism. I don't think most of them even know what atheism really is. They may get the face value definition right, but these types of questions show a deep-rooted ignorance that's prevalent and oftentimes regurgitated ad nauseam. Even 1,000 years from now, it seems like we'll be hearing the same nonsense from religious apologetics. It just never ends..

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 21 день тому

      The irony is that you immediately think I have a position with my questions. They're just invitations. I don't adhere to nor do I believe religions are "good" at face value. The reactionary nature of 80%+ of comments proves how defensive many atheists are about their positions (likely due to how strongly theists have tried to push their beliefs throughout history!)

    • @FactStorm
      @FactStorm 21 день тому

      @mansal-denton i am addressing the case in general, i couldn't care less what the uploader thinks. The majority of theists r the ones i address, not some random people on UA-cam

  • @VeridicusMaximus
    @VeridicusMaximus 22 дні тому

    Yes, there are useful fictions! Also, I never met a Xtian that had faith without blabbing that it is THE TRUTH. Never! IF I had to choose between - right and love - I'd choose love. For truth and useful - truth!

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 21 день тому

      I wish there were more people who had faith without claiming it's THE Truth. :\

  • @richardharris8538
    @richardharris8538 22 дні тому

    Religion is harmful. Religious belief is epistemically indefensible, because it prioritizes unevidenced faith. Holding unfounded beliefs leads theists to make bad decisions, such as when they vote against progressive social policies because they believe their good fortune is due to their god's blessings, and the less fortunate are undeserving. Furthermore, for some of the faithful, their belief in "spiritual warfare" warps their understanding of the events that influence our world, allowing them to ignore observable evidence and make poor decisions. This is very problematical given the role of manipulative online influencers using social media platforms. Religion is, above all, divisive; some religions or sects validate discrimination against, and oppression of, those who do not share their faith, thereby causing sectarian conflict, even warfare. Objective morality, typically sourced from ancient scriptures, is often antithetical to our modern ethical understanding. These anachronisms include misogyny, homophobia, promotion of genital mutilation, and death threats against apostates. Religion is said to be a source of comfort, however, it also causes fear through the threat of eternal punishment. Insidiously, religious institutions have enabled and covered up the sexual abuse of children. Believing unfounded dogmas that, for instance, conflict with our knowledge of the evolution of living organisms, along with other scientifically validated realities of our world, cannot be beneficial for us. We need good information in order to make good decisions. Poor information will only ever result in bad outcomes, unless we happen to be very fortunate. Relying on chance, and devaluing critical thinking, is foolhardy. It's clear to me that, on balance and according to my values, religion does far more harm than good in our modern world.

  • @I_am_Mister_Y
    @I_am_Mister_Y 22 дні тому

    I'm an agnostic atheist. My position not only _contains_ an "I don't know", it *begins* with "I don't know". Like this: is there q GOD? I don't know, and because I don't know, I lack belief. So your entire premise is incorrect.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 22 дні тому

      @@I_am_Mister_Y I just use labels like atheist and Christian for simplicity. If you genuinely don’t know, you’re on the side of humility in the face of the unknown. There are also Christians with the same view, albeit different: I don’t know, but I choose to believe X.

  • @wet-read
    @wet-read 22 дні тому

    Q1: Would you rather be in love, or would you rather be right? I’m not sure why these are contrasted and/or considered to be at odds. Sometimes, you might believe or know yourself to be right to the point that nothing else matters much, including whatever interpersonal relationships you have. But I imagine this is rare overall for most people. I don’t know why the notion of God is required to have or feel love towards anyone or anything. I really don’t get it. And if you feel attacked or persecuted, you needn’t be or feel validated in your sour feelings about this solely via the suffering of someone else, someone “superior”, who dealt with it before you did/have. You know, the whole “if the world hates you, know that it hated me first” stuff. Why can’t you feel what you feel in such a situation, or generally, for your own personal reasons? Q2: Is it true, or is it useful? Things can be true and useful, true and not useful, untrue and useful, or untrue and not useful. A belief in whatever that can cause positive results may not have anything to do with the validity of the belief itself. Christians often say that Christianity is what spurred on advancements in science. They say that the notion of an ordered universe is to be expected if Christianity is indeed true, which is basic and uncontroversial enough. But that doesn’t mean that what is found, that is- regularities, patterns, cycles and the like - legitimates such an account of the universe’s alleged ordering. Something else entirely could be responsible for these things we see. And it is possible that what we are able to know about them is very imperfect. I have heard that Michelangelo imagined that the figures he carved out of marble were inside the marble he chiseled at, and this is what made it possible for him to make those insanely awesome, life-like sculptures. A battered woman might get through her days by believing, against all odds and the past dealings with her partner should indicate, that her partner will change by either becoming a better person altogether or just treating them better than they have up until the present. Or take the “Act as if…” speech by the Ben Affleck character in Boiler Room. Lots of beliefs might be useful and either far-fetched or completely untrue. Relatedly, a lack of knowledge or awareness of something could be beneficial. This is not hard to figure out. I like what you were speaking of towards the end. People can indeed have profound experiences, or just qualitatively distinct experiences, that make them feel better or think about things differently. I like the idea of this; mysticism is an intriguing concept to me, and I don’t think it need be confined to gods or (the) God. Depending on the nature of the experience, it may or may not reflect reality. It may just reflect the needs of the person, and the experience is one that they are all too happy to interpret in a certain way. This last part is always something Christians need to keenly keep in mind. It applies to everyone, but strong beliefs that cannot be totally verified as being true seem more susceptible to this sort of occurrence.

  • @glenliesegang233
    @glenliesegang233 23 дні тому

    I see order which produces consistent, purposeful action that no random process can produce. Is it good to teach your (or any) child disdain towards " those ridiculous, stupid people who believe in gods and ghosts and fairies, who you are so much more intelligent than." This teaches an ego-boosting pride which separates humanity, closes the mind, destroys potential relationships as fellow human beings, without prejudice.

  • @mapbike
    @mapbike 23 дні тому

    Bull Shit... LOL...

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 23 дні тому

      @@mapbike how so? Did that trigger you?

  • @unsavedtrash666
    @unsavedtrash666 23 дні тому

    Richard Dawkins did not make a career out of being an atheist: he is a biologist, widely respected in the scientific community and a distinguished academic and author. Likewise Alex O'Connor is a researcher and commentator on philosophy and theology, not some UA-cam jock making himself famous for controversial opinions. Alex has had many thougtful and well-presented dialogues with philosophers and relgious apologists and is widely respected for his penetrating insight into religious issues.

    • @mansal-denton
      @mansal-denton 22 дні тому

      @@unsavedtrash666 I think Alex is great. I didn’t mean it as an insult 🤷🏻‍♂️