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So it's really close here... the thicker boom in the 4 ultras make it slightly less responsive compared to the AC 12, however the 4 ultras have the carbon Fibre torsional plate in the midfoot vs the plastic piece in the AC12s, which gives you more of a spring forward when running. So I would say you might be quicker laterally with the AC 12s, but quicker going downhill in the 4 ultras.

I'm really enjoying playing in them right now. I'll say they're in my current top 5 favorite to play in

For sure! It's a good buy!

Thanks fam! Appreciate the support!

I got it off wowsole fam. There should be a link in the video description

I'll try to line that up bro. I think the 4ultras are better than the 3 ultras which were great. They kept all the great things about the predecessors, then added a thicker drop in midsole and softer plastic in the heel to address the impact protection issue. The mid foot strap in the V4 ultras also keep you stable and locked in despite the thicker boom midsole height.

@@theshoesayer Great! I have the 808 2 and I loved it. I might want to try the 808 4. Thanks

Appreciate it bro! Yeah I heard great things about both of them. I'll try them out for sure! Cheers fam

I swear bro! Lol. Can't make this stuff up 🤣

@@theshoesayer best idea ever. Has good point with it tho hahaha.

Hmm. These are good bro..but if you're really shifty and prefer responsiveness to overly lofty cushion.... and still want great impact protection when you get to the rim... I would say go Anta Kai 1s bro... if you're more of a light curry type guard but still wants to float about easily, then I would say go All city 12s. Let me know if you like the aesthetics of these two. I'll suggest more of you're not rocking with them.

Damn. Okay bro. I'll try to get a video on those out.

Yeah they'll work outdoors. Not as no nonesone as a shoe like the anta kai is because they have some cut outs and plastic pieces in the outsole. But the grooves are deep, hard and thick. You'll be good to go for a while

Lock down was great bro. No issues with heel slippage at all. If anything the shoes were too fitted in the midfoot originally before I broke them in

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Buy these bro. The 21s play very well, but the outsoles of the LeBron are not durable, even on indoor courts. You can check out my full review on those. Great performer but the outsole wears out way too easily for an expensive pair.

​@@theshoesayerthanks bro, appreciate it

Yeah they fit way better. I suggest going tts . I would only go half a size up if I had a very wide foot

@@theshoesayer thanks bro your reviews are really good

Thanks for the support man. Which pair are you leaning towards?

The Kai 's oor the wow 808 4 I'm playing wow 10 buut how ever i' m a quick guard and for mee they clunky and Lil bit slower in them form my last pair which was the adidas crazy explosive.... What's u recommendations? Thx a lot for reply bless u Have nice hoop 👌

I really like it. It's impact protection is not all the way up there with the WoW 10/11 or JB2 but is improved to the point where it's a non factor for me. It has better traction durability than the WoW 11s and both JBs, it's just as bouncy as all those shoes in the heel and has slightly more bounce in the forefoot. The midfoot strap also improves lock down significantly. They're all in the same weight class as well. So its really close. It has a midfoot carbon Fibre torsional plate instead of full length but you still get enough of that forward propulsion. It's also more breathable than the wow10 and 11. Right now, I look forward to playing in them first,and then the WoW 11s(maybe because I played in these a million times when I first got them) I'll see how well they stack up to the older pairs once I can get enough mileage on them.

Yeah, I had no issues with these at all. The midfoot strap is very functional and prevents your feet from moving around in the shoe. The heel area is also properly sculpted such that your heel feels locked in. I honestly didn't think about heel slippage at all while playing in them. The shoes are also not too wide by default , so with very narrow feet you should be fine. I would suggest if the width is a bother, you could go half a size down, but your toes might be right at the front.

Appreciate the sub fam! I'll choose the 808 4 ultra over the 808 3 ultra. The thicker boom midsole in the heel and the forefoot as well as the softer plastic on the outsole makes all the difference. The 4 ultras are bouncier and have better impact protection as a result.

@@theshoesayerhey, I saw the 808 4’s are online now, what are more differences between the 808 3 V2s?

So I would say the 808 4 ultras are better than the v3 ultras. The thicker boom drop in midsole and the softer plastic in the outsole makes all the difference. In terms of personal preference, I've been alternating between the WoW 11s and the 808 4 ultras so I kinda like them the same. I might edge the 808 4 ultras because they have a more durable outsole and are more breathable.

@@theshoesayer appreciate you taking the time to make such a detailed review 🫡

Ohhh. Good question. They're really bouncy bro. The thickness of the book midsole is about the same as the WoW 10s in the heel, but it's thicker than the WoW 10s on the forefoot. They feel slightly more bouncy than the WoW 10s in my opinion.

@@theshoesayer thanks! thats great to know actually 🙏

They're standard I would say. If you have an extra wide foot then you can go up half a size.

@@theshoesayer thanks slightly wide foot but don’t know if should break in at 8.5 true to size or go half size in 9

😂. I cut them bro

Got you bro. I'll try to line that up. They're quite solid, however the cushion is more responsive than it is bouncy or lofty. They also have great traction. A solid budget option for sure.

Super, I've played in them some more since this video and they're solid!!! One of my favorite pairs to hoop in these days.

@@theshoesayer I love the v3 ultras I have.

Oh word? I'll try that out. Thanks bro

Thanks fam!

Lol! Definitely see that. Hmm, at 4E you'll probably have to go a full size up. Thanks for the comment bro!

Hmm, I think they'll be good for pickle ball considering stability, Traction and cushion. You might also want to take a look at the Anta Kai 1s.

Yeah. There will be.

TTS for both should do. If you have a really wide foot then you can go half a size up

@@theshoesayer thank you 🙂

@@icg2412 For sure!

Drop ins are generally worse at impact protection bro. Mostly because of the stiff outsole. So I would steer clear. The Wade 808 4 ultra are the best I've tested with a drop in midsole in terms of impact protection but I would probably suggest you go for something like the Way of Wade 10s/11s, Anta Kai 1s, Wade All city 11/12/12 encore, Harden Vol 7s/Vol 8s and the likes.

Yessir!!

Thanks bro. Yes I will!! I'm actually trying to get my hands on one currently.

Damn bro! Sorry to hear about your injury. Wishing you a speedy recovery G. Thanks for all the support! The design definitely took some warming up to but the Piccolo theme certainly helps!

Thanks my G! Fingers crossed 🤞!

Lol. Yessir! You play at the vision sports centre?

@@theshoesayer Nahh never knew there was runs there

That's an interesting take bro. So currently I treat Cushion, Traction performance, Traction durability and stability as my main performance KPIs. I believe those are the factors that actually make me play better in terms of improving my overall skill attributes and influencing my performance on the court.... and then I take other things like fit, design, and affordability separately. It's really similar to what you've expressed, I feel those 4 performance related factors have the biggest impact on how good I play on any given day.

Thanks for the info man! I definitely get what you're saying about the fit. I only played in then twice so far and it's a bit of a struggle... with a thicker midsole, that would be way worse. The plastic feel and glued down parts definitely put me off as far as build quality. They might need to go back to the drawing board in terms of refining the base shoe first, before focusing on the interchangeable parts of the shoe. Appreciate the comment fam!

@@theshoesayerI wrote a long reply to this but to save you from all the reading. Stay true fam don't con folks into buying faulty shoes cause the brand offers you free ones. I wasted a lot of money thinking the feedback would go somewhere but alas I just gotta charge it to the game *shrug*. Stay bless and big up from YYZ!

@@Shamsx8 Appreciate it fam!

Damn. That's crazy man!! You never hear these stories. It's all fluffy reviews on their website..... and at 15hrs of play alone?! I'll for sure try to see if I can play in them some more, and observe the wear on my pair.

@@theshoesayerI will say I’m shiftier and have very powerful legs more than the average person haha so I would say 95% of players won’t have the same issue I did, one of my players also had the same issue but 2 others didn’t they didn’t put as much pressure/wear on that area, not knocking the shoe but I sent pictures to the company and they literally told me thank you well send to r and d which is cool but no discount or anything, I stated I’m a collegiate assistant and can’t recommend to my shifty strong guards and still couldn’t care less so I stopped all recommendations for the company. Rangers were flat garbage too. 808 line never had a single issue wore the crap out of the 808 3 ultra v2 mid and low Anyways love your videos very in depth and informative I hope your channel grows!

@@ironbearjku2233 Thanks my G, You must be a beast! I need to see some footage! I'm with you on this one fam...The wade 808 3 ultra v2 and now the 808 4 ultras would definitely be my choice. Even when comparing to the player one plus, I found that I spent 60% of the test time wearing the 808s.

Yessir!!

Midfoot. Watch the video.

I wear a 9.5 US

Nahh fam. The outsole will wear quickly.

@@theshoesayerbut regular ac12 can?