I have the 650Nk and have been riding for 3 years and not one problem and just clocked 66000kms, i am still amazed at how good this bike is carn't wait for the 800NK , everyone should get on one and give them a go, it may just make you smile. AUS
I bought a 450SR a couple days after they were released in Australia and I reckon they’re amazing. I don’t have much to compare it to, but for a first bike, I couldn’t ask for more.
I have the 2019 400NK, a naked bike that can do 200kph. 400cc, 2 cylinders, 41HP, 30NM, 206kgs, 6-speed transmission...utilitarian, useful, simple, effective for what they are and very affordable. I bought mine for 209,000 PH Pesos. I have over 10,000kms on my bike already and I have not experienced any problem whatsoever with it since 2020. My bike has stainless steel-braided brake lines, something that even the popular Japanese bikes don't have from factory. Here are my nitpickers. 1. No ECU flash available in mainstream ECU Tuning Softwares like Woolich 2. Very little performance aftermarket parts available (bespoke) for my bike 3. Forks are non-adjustable but I am lucky that they are spec'd to my weight 4. It's heavy, power-to-weight ratio is not that desirable Yet, the positives outweighs the negatives. My bike is very affordable. You can never find a similar bike in the same price range. The build quality is commendable. The bike looks good and feels good. The suspension geometry is actually really nice. The bike handles corners like a sportsbike. With better tires, it will be faster in corners even though is it heavy and has low HP. The components are very well above the average. The JJuan Brake system is amazing specially with upgraded sintered brake pads. The throttle response is not that bad but most riders who removed the factory catalytic converter reported throttle delays in the lower rpm, which is expected anyway. Overall, the CFMoto 400NK I have is great value for money. I definitely got more than what I have paid for. I believe the low price of the CFMoto bikes is mainly because of the low mark-up on R&D cost since CFMoto adopted old technology from other companies. The NK series of bikes have been linked to the ER series of Kawasaki bigbikes. Now that CFMoto is with KTM, most of the KTM tech will be adopted to the new CFMoto bikes like the 800MT or the IBEX 800, the 800NK and even the CLX series were noted to have been inspired by retro technologies from other companies.
I bought a CLX Sport about a week ago (it's my 10th bike in 20 plus years) and its every bit as good as any other bike that I have owned. Some of its quirks remind me of the Ducati that I used to own but compared to the Duc, I bought my CFMOTO for $5,990 (year end sale in the US) vs $14,000 for the Duc.
@@kennypool That’s a myth. If I can pay, they will service. Heck, there are even HARLEY DAVIDSON dealerships serving as CFMOTO dealers here in NY. Lol but I can appreciate your position though.
I supervise learners around Brisbane and a fair few are buying / riding the CF Moto 300 .. it's a good little bike and there is dealer down in Springwood / Underwood on the other side of the highway from where all the other bike stores are. A lot of these other brands have parts made in china, India and the Phillipines anyway so the argument that it is a Chinese bike is a bit redundant in my opinion. Keep up the great videos mate. :)
Economy of scale, that's how they do it. China is an enormous country with a population comperable to all of Europe and North America Combined. Their industrial capacity is outrageously huge, to the point where they have factories with as many employees as many western cities have citizens.
I have just purchased my second CFMOTO this one being a 2023 650nk. My first one was great and did have an issue with the ECU, apart from that the bike was quality. The 3 year warranty on the new one is what lead me towards it as well as it looking real good!
Ive got a CF Moto GT 650, absolutely no issues, for the price can't beat it. The anti chinese comments remind me of what people were saying about Japanese bikes back in the 70's
I've had many big bikes , Kawasaki, Honda, Yamaha, and Ducati. All were great bikes. But I investigated as much as I could on the CFMOTO motorcycles and was very very surprised! Most of their bikes are incredible, and will definitely surprise most! I simply sat on the 300SR and flipped! I rode it in the mountain ranges with Twisties it is Bliss!! The price, and the look of the bikes are just fabulous, seriously!! The quality level is king here!! Next to try is the 450SR another gem! Absolutely wonderful recommendable bikes for sure!! My favorites are the Super Sport, and the nakeds.
I have never ridden a Chinese bike, but this reminds me of the 1970's when Honda came in and destroyed the competition. Time will tell whether the welds, parts, etc stand up to the big 4. EDIT : I live in California where Amazon doesn't ship Chinese bikes, but maybe other companies will. Either way, I like the dash boards of Chinese bikes because it appears that they thought of everything because it is nearly as comprehensible as a car. I'll admit the HAWK has one of the best dual sport dash boards that I've seen online, not in person. Also, how do you know they are real BREMBO brakes and not clones ?
I have a 2022 Benelli 302s and a 2022 CFMoto CLX 700. They are awesome in their class and for the price. I will! buy a few more and I have been riding Harley for decades. I live in SW Montana where the population is relatively small and the riding season is only 4 months a year on average. I have yet to see another one but I have met a few people who have LOL. I am looking forward to a couple of the other models.
I have been compairing them but until now not yet bought one. Power to weight was better for the Trident, dealer network in Belgium and France is the same. So maybe next one ?
Just purchased a new 650 GT, Great Bike quality is very good I was waiting for the CF450 Mt, 6 have landed in the UK this week packed with state of the art tech.
Hell yes I would, I've had two , the first I put 20.000 kilometers and I really only changed because my other new bike is best in the Twisties!!! Love CFmoto motorcycles, especially the SR series!! Incredible quality built bikes!!
I don't know anything about Chinese automobiles, but some of the Chinese smartphones are quite impressive. I don't know if that's going to be the case for Chinese sports bike.
The trouble is their reputation supersedes them. Cheaply made in bulk, yet the first bit of rain on them & they rust. Ok, they work closely with KTM, but is the quality control higher with those engines than the others?
After the last decades i am amazed that tje fools keep rushing to China products. Has everyone forgotten the mayhem of China upon the World?Although i remember the episode of asbestos brake pads of the Chinese made cars had that came to Australia. Even after they signed the contract saying they would not use pads with asbestos. Do not trust or support the CCP.
It varies, but at times the Japanese brands price their bikes as if they have no competition. In cases like that, I'll vote with my wallet and buy a CFMoto. Sometimes the Japanese brands need a reality check.
@@polar3553 there’s hundreds of reasons to buy things reasonably priced or cheaper over the competitors no reason ABS is only available on upgraded options for $1000+ more or why the dash has been the same old LCD screen for almost a decade they got too comfortable glad CF Moto is shaking things up
I will buy one if they revive the 600 class supersport, though kawasaki is trying with their ninja 636, maybe a modern 600 class with a reasonable price...then i will buy one
I sold a Honda ST to downsize, and took a CFMOTO for a test and I`m sold. And now awaiting the arrival of the new 700MT. The argument that it is a half Chinese bike is a bit redundant in my books.
Biggest problem if you do not live in a big city is finding a dealer. Even if you do how long will they be there? Thing is it is not like buying a mainstream brand where if your dealer closes his or her doors, another is not that far away. You would be lucky to have another CF Moto dealer in your state. Nope not me.
I'm looking for a new bike to daily in the city with the odd longer ride at weekends, here in the Philippines. I currently have an R3 and a Yamaha Sniper (Exciter in some Asian markets). The CFMOTO 300 CLX is a bike that I am seriously considering as a replacement for both. Similar fuel consumption to the 150cc Sniper, and more than enough power for the roads here on Mindanao. I was previously considering a Royal Enfield Scram 411. To put the pricing into perspective. I could buy the CF MOTO and a brand new Yamaha Sniper, for the same price as the Scram. I'll admit that the Scram would be the better, off road, bike. But the majority of my riding is on tarmac, or concrete roads. With only a very little done on dirt or gravel tracks. An upgrade to dual sport tyres would likely sort any issues there. Simply put. The CFMOTO offers unbeatable value for the price.
Would you buy a Chinese motorcycle? Yes, because they're not made in China. They're made at KTM's factory in Austria, and they're designed by an Italian. The company that owns them is Chinese. It doesn't matter. If CFMOTO is showing you anything, it's that other motorcycle brands overcharge you by a lot.
I respectfully disagree. Many European and Japanese companies build their bikes in China to cater to their market and lower the pricing due to cheap labor. The Chinese will never pay Austrian salaries, all they do is steal technology or partner with those who have it. I will NEVER put the Chinese communist flag on any of my motorcycles and won’t accept no resale value. I only buy from established companies that have been around for several decades and have pedigree, heritage and history using good materials and quality parts. No Chinesium for me
@@seanobrien5520 CFMOTO themselves literally said that half their bikes are manufactured at the KTM plant in Austria. Where are YOU getting your information?
The biggest issues with CFMotos right now for me are the resale value, aftermarket components and not a lot of mechanics know how to fix these bikes. Plus, I can find a lot of used N400s that are cheaper the 450SRs anyway. But like the KTMs, CFMotos look badass tho
When choosing between two comparable vehicles, always choose the cheaper one even if the resale value is much lower. The reason why is because you pay incomes taxes on the money you use to buy the vehicle, sales tax when you buy the vehicle, property tax when you own, and no sales tax when you sell.
@@Tazytots But you didn't spend that much to begin with. Most bikes lose between 40 to 60% of their value in the first five years so that 2020 BMW S1000 M that cost $28,000 is now going for $20,000.
@@langhamp8912 That's the point. Anyone who's expecting even 80% of the money they spend on their bike is in for a rude awakening. The pre-owned motorcycle market is a strong one, but nobody is out here re-selling their bike for 80% value. You can get away with that with cars if you mod them, take really good care of them, etc. Motorcycles; they're driven.. you know, 800 miles or whatever, and then sold. Who knows how many times it was dropped in that time. They sell low and call it good, because the people buying motorcycles have enough disposable income to not penny pinch on re-sales. That is, until you start messing with the Nike of motorcycle brands like Ducati, Aprilia, or that BMW S1000. They'll hold their value far better than other brands, even when they're undeserving of it. Facebook Marketplace today are selling 10 year old motorcycles for like $12,000 just because of the brand.
I dont think Royal Enfield , KTM or Triumph is that much better reliability than CFmoto but they all play a big role in the market. So I think if CFMoto wants to be successful oversea they really need a specific point to stand out immediately, merely being cheap and reliable is not a very strong point.
I test road 2 CFMOTO bikes the 650 and 700cc bikes and 1 Royal Enfield 650. I decided to get the Royal Enfield because it felt better built. Both CFMOTO bikes were faster but did not feel as solid. I almost got one, what really turned me off was the front ends, they just felt a little cheap. I also traded in my MT-03 and the CFMOTO bikes did not feel as solid as the MT-03, and that is another reason i did not get one....
@@johnjay6370 Good on you that bike looks so sick! I always love it when I see people riding Royal Enfield 650 on the street. One thing I also want to point out is cheap built doesnt mean not reliable. Some Japanese can feel so cheap built but just last forever while some European car feels high quality just like a tank but just need high maintenance. I think a lot people mix the concept when talking about reliability and build quality.
It's cheap because of cheap labor and parts are always made from China. Just like the other well known bikes but they priced it out because of the brand name. Simple as that. But, I'll buy one for 2nd bike. Would probably buy that 450 or 300sr as 2nd bike.
Here in the PH, there are a couple of CFmoto shops selling those bikes. But that's the problem, just a couple. Would be hard to get proper maintenance on these bikes since a lot of shops(local non CFmoto) don't even know how to work on these. Parts availability and reliability is also a concern since the brand is just starting out in the country. We really don't know how long the CFmoto parts will last since it's fairly new. And yes, there's still that idea that since it's a Chinese company selling for such a cheap price, there might be corners that are cut. I mean the 450sr has fake carbon fiber parts, a slider that's plastic that isn't actually connected to the bike's frame and smaller diameter forks compared to similar displacement bikes. No idea how much that affects performance/safety since again, not much data yet. Local reviewers say both good and bad things so I guess we'll just have to see if these bikes are going to be worth it or not. For now, I guess it boils down to "do you want japanese/US/etc bike brand reliability or do you want to try something new that looks cool and on paper is good for cheaper with no guarantees."
how is there corners cut if they are giving you a full fairing bike??? any other company leaves them exposed because plastics cost $ and if you look at the bolts those are even higher quality than on regular bikes using screws. cf moto and chinese bikes are really popular in asia and europe for people who are in the low cc range and cost. most people dont even ever put alot of mileage on the bikes anyways any one can do an oil change on these things.
@@thang1742 ahh yes, these guys. I mentioned that it's pretty new and there is no data that correlates to the things I mentioned to performance/safety(could be just "feature-gimicks" to make CFmoto bikes stand out). But if you have the data about lower quality bolt/screws on other known bike companies vs CFmoto and those companies selling sports bikes "naked", be my guest. Show the facts. And yes, anyone can do an oil change but what if oil change isn't the issue my dude? As I mentioned before, you can choose reliability over something new and cheap with no guarantees on reliability. To each his/her own but back-up your claims please.
@Blood Asp go check out the bikes themselves at dealers and you even see reviewers giving praise to these bikes offering alot of quality for the same price and lcd screens digital clusters, everyone else is using old school analog techs and low res lcd.
@@thang1742 I again also mentioned that reviewers say both good and bad things about the bikes. Yeah, it's nice they're using new features but will they last? Will the bike survive as long as the other manufacturers' bikes? That is the question right? Reliability? And again my dude. Where's your facts about other dealers having lower quality bolts/screws than CFmoto? Come on man. Respect your love for CFmoto but where are the facts. And no offence to your preference but I and other bikers do still love that old school rpm range tachometer. It's just sweeeet.
@Blood Asp they have been around for years you need to go to Indian and philapino reviews of it. Like I said with the screws and other small details you need to check it in person. Regarding longevity they have been around a long time and the engines are built in the same as ktm ( not the best reliability) but they actually do alot of lower end p twin engines found in kawa bmw and ktm and many others. Ducati and alot of other brands have crap reliability but people still buy them regardless.
Still too expensive, just rewind to 2013-2014 and all the prices seeing here would scream middle bike segment like mt09/street triple. And dont tell me that it is because of inflation and all that, am too old to argue. prices just shoot up instantly before we even were in any crisis. Prices just get hiked up on a whim it seems and we get now budget bikes with electrical gizmos we dont need.
Maybe you don’t need it or care but some of us have been waiting for bikes with more tech to come on the market and be under 10k MRSP. And the price is what it is we can all talk about prices from back in the day and compare hell there was a time you could fill a car completely up with $5 at the gas station but that’s not where we are adjust adapt and keep moving this is the new normal might as well accept it 🤷🏾
Only a fool would buy a Chinese bike, a couple.of guys at my traded them away after losing thousands on one's less than a year old each, they both kept having constant issues. You've been warned.
I made the mistake of buying a Chinese car a few years ago. I thought because it had a diesel Cummins motor it would be ok but the car body was totally crap! So I wouldn’t buy anything Chinese I don’t have to
Fair enough mate.. just that Chinese have improved their standards drastically over the last few years in terms of auto mobile. Mark my words they will rule the next decade
A lot are talking about chinese bikes. Built quality, technical issues etc. 2 things though. If you are one of the guys that would buy a bike from ali express like I've seen a lot of idiots in youtube, well you are just that an idiot. If you are talking about cfmoto or qj motor though, you are talking about company monsters not the scam small backwater chinese companies that are selling cheap electric junk. I owned a Honda CB500X and a Moto Guzzi V85TT Travel, both good quality bikes especially the MG was a really premium quality bike. In comparison, the CFmoto 800MT is impressively well build and in par with other western manufacturers and in some cases even better. This makes sense though. It was only a matter of time for the Chinese to compete with westerners in terms of quality, price and specs. Also the Japanese, especially Honda, are overcharging their bikes. Come on Honda 12000€ for completely naked Transalp? A supposedly offroad capable bike where I have to spend another 5000€ to equip with essential stuff. Wth
I have the 650Nk and have been riding for 3 years and not one problem and just clocked 66000kms, i am still amazed at how good this bike is carn't wait for the 800NK , everyone should get on one and give them a go, it may just make you smile. AUS
Thank for good feedback
I bought a 450SR a couple days after they were released in Australia and I reckon they’re amazing. I don’t have much to compare it to, but for a first bike, I couldn’t ask for more.
Got any updates/reviews? Looking at CF Moto or ninja
@@JT-fm4ye W bike. Still a 450 tho. But a good one
@@elifarrow1781 what a W bike bro?
Sorry new to this
@@JT-fm4ye the bike is a W. Really good
@@elifarrow1781 does it still hold up? considering getting one myself.
I have the 2019 400NK, a naked bike that can do 200kph. 400cc, 2 cylinders, 41HP, 30NM, 206kgs, 6-speed transmission...utilitarian, useful, simple, effective for what they are and very affordable. I bought mine for 209,000 PH Pesos. I have over 10,000kms on my bike already and I have not experienced any problem whatsoever with it since 2020. My bike has stainless steel-braided brake lines, something that even the popular Japanese bikes don't have from factory.
Here are my nitpickers.
1. No ECU flash available in mainstream ECU Tuning Softwares like Woolich
2. Very little performance aftermarket parts available (bespoke) for my bike
3. Forks are non-adjustable but I am lucky that they are spec'd to my weight
4. It's heavy, power-to-weight ratio is not that desirable
Yet, the positives outweighs the negatives. My bike is very affordable. You can never find a similar bike in the same price range. The build quality is commendable. The bike looks good and feels good. The suspension geometry is actually really nice. The bike handles corners like a sportsbike. With better tires, it will be faster in corners even though is it heavy and has low HP. The components are very well above the average. The JJuan Brake system is amazing specially with upgraded sintered brake pads. The throttle response is not that bad but most riders who removed the factory catalytic converter reported throttle delays in the lower rpm, which is expected anyway.
Overall, the CFMoto 400NK I have is great value for money. I definitely got more than what I have paid for. I believe the low price of the CFMoto bikes is mainly because of the low mark-up on R&D cost since CFMoto adopted old technology from other companies. The NK series of bikes have been linked to the ER series of Kawasaki bigbikes. Now that CFMoto is with KTM, most of the KTM tech will be adopted to the new CFMoto bikes like the 800MT or the IBEX 800, the 800NK and even the CLX series were noted to have been inspired by retro technologies from other companies.
I bought a CLX Sport about a week ago (it's my 10th bike in 20 plus years) and its every bit as good as any other bike that I have owned. Some of its quirks remind me of the Ducati that I used to own but compared to the Duc, I bought my CFMOTO for $5,990 (year end sale in the US) vs $14,000 for the Duc.
Try to get it serviced, know one will touch it. And they'll probably throw you out the door. In the USA that is
@@kennypool That’s a myth. If I can pay, they will service. Heck, there are even HARLEY DAVIDSON dealerships serving as CFMOTO dealers here in NY. Lol but I can appreciate your position though.
I am in love with the look of the CL-X Sport. I really want to ride one.
@@kennypoolI live in Houston and there are 4 CF Moto dealerships/shops here. I’m seriously thinking about getting one of these.
Have a 450sr in sydney.. rides brilliant. Better than a ninja 400 every possible way. Only time will tell how reliable. Have my hopes high, though..
I supervise learners around Brisbane and a fair few are buying / riding the CF Moto 300 .. it's a good little bike and there is dealer down in Springwood / Underwood on the other side of the highway from where all the other bike stores are. A lot of these other brands have parts made in china, India and the Phillipines anyway so the argument that it is a Chinese bike is a bit redundant in my opinion. Keep up the great videos mate. :)
Economy of scale, that's how they do it. China is an enormous country with a population comperable to all of Europe and North America Combined. Their industrial capacity is outrageously huge, to the point where they have factories with as many employees as many western cities have citizens.
China is owned by CCP. Please citizens think about what you support with your money..
They introduced their Kawi equivalents here in India a few years ago, but I haven’t seen even a single motorcycle onroad till now !
I have just purchased my second CFMOTO this one being a 2023 650nk. My first one was great and did have an issue with the ECU, apart from that the bike was quality. The 3 year warranty on the new one is what lead me towards it as well as it looking real good!
watch for the 450CL-C classic bike version
Ive got a CF Moto GT 650, absolutely no issues, for the price can't beat it. The anti chinese comments remind me of what people were saying about Japanese bikes back in the 70's
I've had many big bikes , Kawasaki, Honda, Yamaha, and Ducati. All were great bikes. But I investigated as much as I could on the CFMOTO motorcycles and was very very surprised!
Most of their bikes are incredible, and will definitely surprise most! I simply sat on the 300SR and flipped! I rode it in the mountain ranges with Twisties it is Bliss!!
The price, and the look of the bikes are just fabulous, seriously!! The quality level is king here!!
Next to try is the 450SR another gem!
Absolutely wonderful recommendable bikes for sure!! My favorites are the Super Sport, and the nakeds.
I have never ridden a Chinese bike, but this reminds me of the 1970's when Honda came in and destroyed the competition. Time will tell whether the welds, parts, etc stand up to the big 4. EDIT : I live in California where Amazon doesn't ship Chinese bikes, but maybe other companies will. Either way, I like the dash boards of Chinese bikes because it appears that they thought of everything because it is nearly as comprehensible as a car. I'll admit the HAWK has one of the best dual sport dash boards that I've seen online, not in person. Also, how do you know they are real BREMBO brakes and not clones ?
Own a CLX 700 and an IBEX 800. Arizona here. Love both bikes and I am 50 yrs old.
I've got one as my first bike. It's legit. The app makes it so I don't even need to put an Apple Airtag on it.
I have a 2022 Benelli 302s and a 2022 CFMoto CLX 700. They are awesome in their class and for the price. I will! buy a few more and I have been riding Harley for decades. I live in SW Montana where the population is relatively small and the riding season is only 4 months a year on average. I have yet to see another one but I have met a few people who have LOL. I am looking forward to a couple of the other models.
I live in Las Vegas and I hope to get the Ibex s this season
I have been compairing them but until now not yet bought one. Power to weight was better for the Trident, dealer network in Belgium and France is the same. So maybe next one ?
Just purchased a new 650 GT, Great Bike quality is very good I was waiting for the CF450 Mt, 6 have landed in the UK this week packed with state of the art tech.
Hell yes I would, I've had two , the first I put 20.000 kilometers and I really only changed because my other new bike is best in the Twisties!!!
Love CFmoto motorcycles, especially the SR series!!
Incredible quality built bikes!!
I see used ones coming onto the market dirt cheap 700 Heritage for $5000 US in Ca. I wonder why people are getting rid of them?
I bought the 300NK and the 650 Aventura and love them both and for the price and what they come with ....you just cant beat it.
I have 450SR and it's a really good bike! The engine for 450cc is fantastic
Plz update any issues
@@ahmadalbab5448, so far I have zero problems, after about three months of use my milage is about 3000 km
目前有 1000cc 的版本
@@AnotherWay1789但是刚刚发布，不能保证驾驶平衡性
@@polar3553 , the 1000cc is not for all, but worth to try for sure
I don't know anything about Chinese automobiles, but some of the Chinese smartphones are quite impressive. I don't know if that's going to be the case for Chinese sports bike.
Why would you support the CCP .?
Iv seen so.e reviews says parts just for a service cab take longer than 3 weeks
I’ve had a CFMOTO ATV for three years now. Never had any problems with it.
The trouble is their reputation supersedes them. Cheaply made in bulk, yet the first bit of rain on them & they rust.
Ok, they work closely with KTM, but is the quality control higher with those engines than the others?
They look good buy totally shit quality, and have loads of issues.. you are warned
Same goes for RE. Bit China you support and aggressive regime who will leave you stranded without parts.
@@rubberrocket7620what are the issues?
@@rubberrocket7620 what issues? from what I’ve seen and heard from owners the build quality is right up there with Kawasaki
After the last decades i am amazed that tje fools keep rushing to China products. Has everyone forgotten the mayhem of China upon the World?Although i remember the episode of asbestos brake pads of the Chinese made cars had that came to Australia. Even after they signed the contract saying they would not use pads with asbestos.
Do not trust or support the CCP.
It varies, but at times the Japanese brands price their bikes as if they have no competition. In cases like that, I'll vote with my wallet and buy a CFMoto. Sometimes the Japanese brands need a reality check.
我觉得产品自己喜欢就好，没有必要为了便宜去购买
@@polar3553 there’s hundreds of reasons to buy things reasonably priced or cheaper over the competitors no reason ABS is only available on upgraded options for $1000+ more or why the dash has been the same old LCD screen for almost a decade they got too comfortable glad CF Moto is shaking things up
Not sure there are any dealers in the UK
I will buy one if they revive the 600 class supersport, though kawasaki is trying with their ninja 636, maybe a modern 600 class with a reasonable price...then i will buy one
Heard they’re working on that 😁 it should probably be out in the US within a year or 2
I sold a Honda ST to downsize, and took a CFMOTO for a test and I`m sold. And now awaiting the arrival of the new 700MT. The argument that it is a half Chinese bike is a bit redundant in my books.
Absolutely. In fact I’m getting my new 450 cl-c delivered tomorrow, 3k cheaper than the cmx500 and comes with all the bells and whistles.
Hey kwackajack, hope your well. I just had a question about preowned bikes.
how many kilometers do you think is too many on a used bike ?
I've got my eye on the Ibex 800 as my next ADV bike.
Biggest problem if you do not live in a big city is finding a dealer. Even if you do how long will they be there? Thing is it is not like buying a mainstream brand where if your dealer closes his or her doors, another is not that far away. You would be lucky to have another CF Moto dealer in your state. Nope not me.
I'm looking for a new bike to daily in the city with the odd longer ride at weekends, here in the Philippines. I currently have an R3 and a Yamaha Sniper (Exciter in some Asian markets). The CFMOTO 300 CLX is a bike that I am seriously considering as a replacement for both. Similar fuel consumption to the 150cc Sniper, and more than enough power for the roads here on Mindanao. I was previously considering a Royal Enfield Scram 411. To put the pricing into perspective. I could buy the CF MOTO and a brand new Yamaha Sniper, for the same price as the Scram. I'll admit that the Scram would be the better, off road, bike. But the majority of my riding is on tarmac, or concrete roads. With only a very little done on dirt or gravel tracks. An upgrade to dual sport tyres would likely sort any issues there. Simply put. The CFMOTO offers unbeatable value for the price.
Damn! I like this kind of review😊
Another major factor in price is that Chinese labor is quite a bit cheaper than Japanese or Western labor.
Would you buy a Chinese motorcycle?
Yes, because they're not made in China. They're made at KTM's factory in Austria, and they're designed by an Italian. The company that owns them is Chinese. It doesn't matter. If CFMOTO is showing you anything, it's that other motorcycle brands overcharge you by a lot.
I respectfully disagree. Many European and Japanese companies build their bikes in China to cater to their market and lower the pricing due to cheap labor. The Chinese will never pay Austrian salaries, all they do is steal technology or partner with those who have it. I will NEVER put the Chinese communist flag on any of my motorcycles and won’t accept no resale value. I only buy from established companies that have been around for several decades and have pedigree, heritage and history using good materials and quality parts. No Chinesium for me
Where are you getting your information from??😂,, cfmoto motorcycles are built in China at the (wait for it ) CFMOTO FACTORY 😂😂😂
@@seanobrien5520 CFMOTO themselves literally said that half their bikes are manufactured at the KTM plant in Austria. Where are YOU getting your information?
@@Tazytots google is your friend 😉👍🏻
“Cheaper and better equipped”
Well, cheaper for sure. They certainly aren’t better equipped.
They doing it trought expesive repair parts if you fins them and low quality
Hopefully the big 4 will start trying more again
The biggest issues with CFMotos right now for me are the resale value, aftermarket components and not a lot of mechanics know how to fix these bikes. Plus, I can find a lot of used N400s that are cheaper the 450SRs anyway. But like the KTMs, CFMotos look badass tho
When choosing between two comparable vehicles, always choose the cheaper one even if the resale value is much lower. The reason why is because you pay incomes taxes on the money you use to buy the vehicle, sales tax when you buy the vehicle, property tax when you own, and no sales tax when you sell.
You're not going to get a ton of re-sale value on any bike that costs $5000.
@@Tazytots But you didn't spend that much to begin with. Most bikes lose between 40 to 60% of their value in the first five years so that 2020 BMW S1000 M that cost $28,000 is now going for $20,000.
@@langhamp8912 That's the point. Anyone who's expecting even 80% of the money they spend on their bike is in for a rude awakening. The pre-owned motorcycle market is a strong one, but nobody is out here re-selling their bike for 80% value.
You can get away with that with cars if you mod them, take really good care of them, etc. Motorcycles; they're driven.. you know, 800 miles or whatever, and then sold. Who knows how many times it was dropped in that time. They sell low and call it good, because the people buying motorcycles have enough disposable income to not penny pinch on re-sales.
That is, until you start messing with the Nike of motorcycle brands like Ducati, Aprilia, or that BMW S1000. They'll hold their value far better than other brands, even when they're undeserving of it. Facebook Marketplace today are selling 10 year old motorcycles for like $12,000 just because of the brand.
I dont think Royal Enfield , KTM or Triumph is that much better reliability than CFmoto but they all play a big role in the market. So I think if CFMoto wants to be successful oversea they really need a specific point to stand out immediately, merely being cheap and reliable is not a very strong point.
I test road 2 CFMOTO bikes the 650 and 700cc bikes and 1 Royal Enfield 650. I decided to get the Royal Enfield because it felt better built. Both CFMOTO bikes were faster but did not feel as solid. I almost got one, what really turned me off was the front ends, they just felt a little cheap. I also traded in my MT-03 and the CFMOTO bikes did not feel as solid as the MT-03, and that is another reason i did not get one....
@@johnjay6370 Good on you that bike looks so sick! I always love it when I see people riding Royal Enfield 650 on the street.
One thing I also want to point out is cheap built doesnt mean not reliable. Some Japanese can feel so cheap built but just last forever while some European car feels high quality just like a tank but just need high maintenance. I think a lot people mix the concept when talking about reliability and build quality.
450 sr is a better choice than the ninja 400 and the 4rr
It's cheap because of cheap labor and parts are always made from China. Just like the other well known bikes but they priced it out because of the brand name. Simple as that. But, I'll buy one for 2nd bike. Would probably buy that 450 or 300sr as 2nd bike.
I thought you were gonna actually have one to show
I doubt about cfmoto..im planning to buy..
If KTM, Harley-Davidson, Kymco, Peugeot and Benelli trust QJ to build their bikes, then so will I.
Here in the PH, there are a couple of CFmoto shops selling those bikes. But that's the problem, just a couple. Would be hard to get proper maintenance on these bikes since a lot of shops(local non CFmoto) don't even know how to work on these. Parts availability and reliability is also a concern since the brand is just starting out in the country. We really don't know how long the CFmoto parts will last since it's fairly new. And yes, there's still that idea that since it's a Chinese company selling for such a cheap price, there might be corners that are cut. I mean the 450sr has fake carbon fiber parts, a slider that's plastic that isn't actually connected to the bike's frame and smaller diameter forks compared to similar displacement bikes. No idea how much that affects performance/safety since again, not much data yet. Local reviewers say both good and bad things so I guess we'll just have to see if these bikes are going to be worth it or not. For now, I guess it boils down to "do you want japanese/US/etc bike brand reliability or do you want to try something new that looks cool and on paper is good for cheaper with no guarantees."
how is there corners cut if they are giving you a full fairing bike??? any other company leaves them exposed because plastics cost $ and if you look at the bolts those are even higher quality than on regular bikes using screws. cf moto and chinese bikes are really popular in asia and europe for people who are in the low cc range and cost. most people dont even ever put alot of mileage on the bikes anyways any one can do an oil change on these things.
@@thang1742 ahh yes, these guys. I mentioned that it's pretty new and there is no data that correlates to the things I mentioned to performance/safety(could be just "feature-gimicks" to make CFmoto bikes stand out). But if you have the data about lower quality bolt/screws on other known bike companies vs CFmoto and those companies selling sports bikes "naked", be my guest. Show the facts. And yes, anyone can do an oil change but what if oil change isn't the issue my dude? As I mentioned before, you can choose reliability over something new and cheap with no guarantees on reliability. To each his/her own but back-up your claims please.
@Blood Asp go check out the bikes themselves at dealers and you even see reviewers giving praise to these bikes offering alot of quality for the same price and lcd screens digital clusters, everyone else is using old school analog techs and low res lcd.
@@thang1742 I again also mentioned that reviewers say both good and bad things about the bikes. Yeah, it's nice they're using new features but will they last? Will the bike survive as long as the other manufacturers' bikes? That is the question right? Reliability? And again my dude. Where's your facts about other dealers having lower quality bolts/screws than CFmoto? Come on man. Respect your love for CFmoto but where are the facts. And no offence to your preference but I and other bikers do still love that old school rpm range tachometer. It's just sweeeet.
@Blood Asp they have been around for years you need to go to Indian and philapino reviews of it. Like I said with the screws and other small details you need to check it in person. Regarding longevity they have been around a long time and the engines are built in the same as ktm ( not the best reliability) but they actually do alot of lower end p twin engines found in kawa bmw and ktm and many others. Ducati and alot of other brands have crap reliability but people still buy them regardless.
Still too expensive, just rewind to 2013-2014 and all the prices seeing here would scream middle bike segment like mt09/street triple. And dont tell me that it is because of inflation and all that, am too old to argue. prices just shoot up instantly before we even were in any crisis. Prices just get hiked up on a whim it seems and we get now budget bikes with electrical gizmos we dont need.
Maybe you don’t need it or care but some of us have been waiting for bikes with more tech to come on the market and be under 10k MRSP. And the price is what it is we can all talk about prices from back in the day and compare hell there was a time you could fill a car completely up with $5 at the gas station but that’s not where we are adjust adapt and keep moving this is the new normal might as well accept it 🤷🏾
I'm buying one 😊
So its a clone built KTM 790 engine in a chasis made from pig iron? I'll pass thanks oh and what about resale values after 3 yrs?
NO
I bought a cfmoto helix clone, it's a boat anchor,. Never buy anything cfmoto again
Only a fool would buy a Chinese bike, a couple.of guys at my traded them away after losing thousands on one's less than a year old each, they both kept having constant issues. You've been warned.
Which Chinese bike may I ask. Don't generalise of you haven't used them..
@@vindytube Both were Benelli, but please be my guest and go waste your money on CCP funded sh1tboxes.
Not all are built the same…..
You keep warning us, what are all the issues?! I’m waiting. That’s a warning
What issues and which brand and models? All Chinese bikes are not the same 🙄
Chinese engines are good and last but the frame & all parts are cheap quality compared to japan ones
Nope never, Japanese anyday. I'll even consider Italian but never Chinese bikes.
I’ll save my money and take the bus 🚌 better
Boring
Don't feel sad about ur daily life
Plz go ride
U life become much2 better after ride
No China made products for my friends and I.
Nope. I don’t do high ticket item that is owned by CCP.
CF Moto. Chinese Factory Motorbikes
No
I made the mistake of buying a Chinese car a few years ago. I thought because it had a diesel Cummins motor it would be ok but the car body was totally crap! So I wouldn’t buy anything Chinese I don’t have to
l ll never buy a Chinese or KTM again motorbike..period. only Japanese for me...Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki and Suzuki....
I will never buy a Chinese motorcycle nor a Chinese automobile.
Pls throw your phone and all electronics from your house..
@@vindytube I said motorcycle & automobile. Reading is fundamental.
Fair enough mate.. just that Chinese have improved their standards drastically over the last few years in terms of auto mobile. Mark my words they will rule the next decade
@@vindytube Maybe, maybe.. Here's a virtual Guinness for you to crack open and enjoy this Sunday morning. 🍺
Y
Short answer, no. Longer answer, nooooooo.
No, thanks.
These feel like a scam. I wouldn’t buy a bike from a country that has them completely banned and outlawed internally, just saying 🤷🏽
A lot are talking about chinese bikes. Built quality, technical issues etc. 2 things though. If you are one of the guys that would buy a bike from ali express like I've seen a lot of idiots in youtube, well you are just that an idiot. If you are talking about cfmoto or qj motor though, you are talking about company monsters not the scam small backwater chinese companies that are selling cheap electric junk. I owned a Honda CB500X and a Moto Guzzi V85TT Travel, both good quality bikes especially the MG was a really premium quality bike. In comparison, the CFmoto 800MT is impressively well build and in par with other western manufacturers and in some cases even better. This makes sense though. It was only a matter of time for the Chinese to compete with westerners in terms of quality, price and specs. Also the Japanese, especially Honda, are overcharging their bikes. Come on Honda 12000€ for completely naked Transalp? A supposedly offroad capable bike where I have to spend another 5000€ to equip with essential stuff. Wth
No