Two people received the Menkyo Kaiden from Sokaku Takeda: Hisa Takuma and Masao Tonedate. One person received Menkyo Kaiden from Headmaster Tokimune Takeda, Sokaku's son. That is, Katsuyuki Kondo Sensei.
@@gustavosupranzetti9271 The scroll that Ueshiba received was the highest Daito certificate at the time. Later on, Takeda pulled the Menkyo certificate out of his magic hat.
🗣️ i know this video was very long time ago, so many years, but i like this martial art and i have no information where this martial art in my country 🇲🇨
The Japanse Kanji pronounces the Ju with a long "u" making it sound like "Juuoo" but there is no "i" sound. As for "Jutsu," the suffix means art or study. There is already a Japanese word "Jitsu" which is used in Shiatsu massage which means a lack of energy or emptiness.
Try to go to wikipedia about jujutsu, then change the language into japanese. it is ji big letter, yu small letter, ji big letter, yu small letter and tsu big letter. so there is ji in it
Stanley, why is it said that Kondo Sensei is the only person to have received a menkyo kaiden in Daito-ryu when at least one other, Takuma Sensei had one? Did I miss something in the translation or in the lineage?
" the correct way pronounce it is actually "jujutsu"" But then wrote "jyu jyutsu" what is like jiu jitsu and say "jujutsu" is the romanized form. Are you making fun with me? Dont you know the meaning of "pronounce" ?! U is NOT pronounced YU or IU thats why forms like jyu or jiu are correct!!!
@@jwgoon I don't think he realizes anything as he does not know that english/american spelling and pronunciation of latin letters is completely different from, uh, ooh: latin. And completely different languages like e.g. German, Italian, Finnish: use the latin alphabet, as the latins used it. His example of "U is NOT pronounced YU or IU" makes it pretty clear. As he forgot to put the J in front of the U :P
Hako Ryu creator studied briefly Daito Ryu then go own way to teach own students. Give his half baked Daito Ryu understanding name Hako Ryu. Many students do this same when thinking they have total understanding y don't wish to remain student y want be teacher y get money y fame. Break loyalty before learn the complete art to make own way y earn own money by call art new name y not share income or name with teacher Daito Ryu by saying they Hako Ryu now, just water down Daito Ryu really. Why train Hako Ryu when train Daito Ryu to get whole understanding.
@@shellfaith8432 Yes, the problem is that senseis dont teach the whole art until you are too old. Even if you are disciplined. So you are complete when you are too old.
I thought that Hisa Takuma received the Kyouju Dairi from Sokaku Takeda, thus not the Menkyo Kaiden. Or is the Menkyo Kaiden a certificate higher than Kyouju Dairi ? An other distinction ? By the way, thank you for uploading this video.
Menkyo Kaiden is indeed the higher level. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%C5%8Dju_Dairi Kyouju Dairi you receive between 4th and 5th DAN, Menkyo Kaiden between 7th and 8th.
@@TheThinkersBible I think old school Daito Ryu and similar had no real degrees in between Menkyo Kaiden and Kyouju Dairi (but not sure about that). However during the time Kano invented the belt system, some Daito Ryu schools took that over. And decided to have 8 black belt ranks aka DAN ranks. I don't think there is a system with more ranks, but could be. After all it is basically a decision of the school/style. There is another rank (strange name I mean, like Kaiden etc.) below 4th DAN. So, Kyouju Dairi and Menkyo Kaiden were later mixed in between. "Menkyo Kaiden" literally means: everything learned or everything transmitted. But some styles wanted another "honourific" title to be able to give after the Menkyo Kaiden for very accomplished teachers/artists. So the 8th DAN comes after Menkyo Kaiden. If there are other old school styles that have more DAN ranks, then you basically only need to shift the titles according to their ranking system. The number of DANs in a martial art compared with another one is pretty meaningless.
If he only disseminates the mainstream version of the art when does he teach the closed door version of the art? As usual only the inner circle get the unadulterated fruit while outer circle gets the mainstream fruit. Secrecy is good to protect the power of surprise in an art but secrecy can cause death of an art in modern times.
As an Aikidoka i feel no need to loudly proclaim Morihei Ueshiba was the best. It is so competetive and western attitude. That is not what budo is about. It is Shitsurei, impolite. Aikido and Daito Ryu Aiki Jujutsu we are one family. The diversity is a blessing for all of us, we can chose any style that fits our character. Great videoclip great lecture. Indeed, Rei, politeness, is an essential PART of budo.
@@thunderflower7998 In 1922 Sokaku visited Morihei in his dojo in Ayaba and stayed for five months. After 5 months, Sokaku made Morihei an official instructor and Morihei Ueshiba received the Kyoju Dairi Scroll (google this keyword and you'll find an excellent article), which was the highest certificate at the time given by Sokaku. Morihei never received a menkyo kaiden though. Sokaku started to give these menkyo kaiden to other students AFTER his break with Morihei.
Because it clearly is not pronounced Jiu Jitsu? Especially not the Jitsu part? The word Jitsu does not even exist in modern Japanese. Latest usage was over 1000 years ago, and not related to martial arts.
@@Jiyukan Its exactly pronounced Jiu Jitsu! I have heard it many times from Japanese directly. And also Jitsu. You can hear it in terms like Ken-jitsu or Tai-jitsu. No Japanese say jutsu.
@@Gieszkanne Just: lol. perhaps you need a fix to your ears or a fix to how non english speakers write non english languages. The word Jitsu dos not exist in modern day Japanse. And I would actually not really know how to pronounce it. It would be Jeee-iiiee-utsu, which makes no sense. There is no word in Japanese that starts with a J letter and goes straight into in I letter. Roman aka english aka European writing of Japanese is based on the Hiragana writing of Japanese words. It is more or less a one to one transformation of Japanese letters to European ones. There is no "Jiu" in Japanese. Simple or not? And Ju Jutsu is not pronounced Jiu Jiutsu, (or Jiu Jiutsiu - how many "i"'s do you want to add in a word that has none of them?) does not really matter what your native language is. If it sounds "Jiu" to you, get some doctor to check your ears.
Deep overview (conflict of terms, yes) of these principles. Explained by the foremost authority. Thanks.
Two people received the Menkyo Kaiden from Sokaku Takeda: Hisa Takuma and Masao Tonedate. One person received Menkyo Kaiden from Headmaster Tokimune Takeda, Sokaku's son. That is, Katsuyuki Kondo Sensei.
UESHIBA?
@@thunderflower7998 Ueshiba received the kyoju dairi (“representative instructor”) from Takeda, a level lower than the menkyo kaiden.
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Horikawa sensei?
@@gustavosupranzetti9271 The scroll that Ueshiba received was the highest Daito certificate at the time. Later on, Takeda pulled the Menkyo certificate out of his magic hat.
🗣️ i know this video was very long time ago, so many years, but i like this martial art and i have no information where this martial art in my country 🇲🇨
I was just going to post that thank you.
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The Japanse Kanji pronounces the Ju with a long "u" making it sound like "Juuoo" but there is no "i" sound. As for "Jutsu," the suffix means art or study. There is already a Japanese word "Jitsu" which is used in Shiatsu massage which means a lack of energy or emptiness.
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Try to go to wikipedia about jujutsu, then change the language into japanese. it is ji big letter, yu small letter, ji big letter, yu small letter and tsu big letter. so there is ji in it
who made the music at the end it was really relaxing and exciting all at once
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Stanley, why is it said that Kondo Sensei is the only person to have received a menkyo kaiden in Daito-ryu when at least one other, Takuma Sensei had one? Did I miss something in the translation or in the lineage?
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@Gieszkanne because the correct way pronounce it is actually "jujutsu"
柔術 >> じゅじゅつ >> jyujyutsu... usually in romanized form it is just "jujutsu"
" the correct way pronounce it is actually "jujutsu""
But then wrote "jyu jyutsu" what is like jiu jitsu and say "jujutsu" is the romanized form. Are you making fun with me? Dont you know the meaning of "pronounce" ?! U is NOT pronounced YU or IU thats why forms like jyu or jiu are correct!!!
@@Gieszkanne You do realize that Judo is written as it is and not as Jiudo right?
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@@jwgoon I don't think he realizes anything as he does not know that english/american spelling and pronunciation of latin letters is completely different from, uh, ooh: latin. And completely different languages like e.g. German, Italian, Finnish: use the latin alphabet, as the latins used it. His example of "U is NOT pronounced YU or IU" makes it pretty clear. As he forgot to put the J in front of the U :P
sound is only on one side
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What to the Daito Ryu people think about Hakko Ryu?
Hako Ryu creator studied briefly Daito Ryu then go own way to teach own students. Give his half baked Daito Ryu understanding name Hako Ryu. Many students do this same when thinking they have total understanding y don't wish to remain student y want be teacher y get money y fame. Break loyalty before learn the complete art to make own way y earn own money by call art new name y not share income or name with teacher Daito Ryu by saying they Hako Ryu now, just water down Daito Ryu really. Why train Hako Ryu when train Daito Ryu to get whole understanding.
@@shellfaith8432 Yes, the problem is that senseis dont teach the whole art until you are too old. Even if you are disciplined. So you are complete when you are too old.
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I thought that Hisa Takuma received the Kyouju Dairi from Sokaku Takeda, thus not the Menkyo Kaiden. Or is the Menkyo Kaiden a certificate higher than Kyouju Dairi ? An other distinction ? By the way, thank you for uploading this video.
Menkyo Kaiden is indeed the higher level. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%C5%8Dju_Dairi Kyouju Dairi you receive between 4th and 5th DAN, Menkyo Kaiden between 7th and 8th.
@@Jiyukan thanks for the information, much appreciated. I always assumed Menkyo Kaiden was 10th degree but never actually knew.
@@TheThinkersBible I think old school Daito Ryu and similar had no real degrees in between Menkyo Kaiden and Kyouju Dairi (but not sure about that). However during the time Kano invented the belt system, some Daito Ryu schools took that over. And decided to have 8 black belt ranks aka DAN ranks. I don't think there is a system with more ranks, but could be. After all it is basically a decision of the school/style. There is another rank (strange name I mean, like Kaiden etc.) below 4th DAN. So, Kyouju Dairi and Menkyo Kaiden were later mixed in between. "Menkyo Kaiden" literally means: everything learned or everything transmitted. But some styles wanted another "honourific" title to be able to give after the Menkyo Kaiden for very accomplished teachers/artists. So the 8th DAN comes after Menkyo Kaiden. If there are other old school styles that have more DAN ranks, then you basically only need to shift the titles according to their ranking system. The number of DANs in a martial art compared with another one is pretty meaningless.
@@Jiyukan thank you for the explanation and history. Very informative. I thought all arts had 10 dan ranks so it's useful to know Aikijujutsu has 8.
If he only disseminates the mainstream version of the art when does he teach the closed door version of the art? As usual only the inner circle get the unadulterated fruit while outer circle gets the mainstream fruit. Secrecy is good to protect the power of surprise in an art but secrecy can cause death of an art in modern times.
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morihei ueshiba also received menkyo kaiden from sokaku takeda and o sensei was the best student
Reference to support the statement t?
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As an Aikidoka i feel no need to loudly proclaim Morihei Ueshiba was the best. It is so competetive and western attitude. That is not what budo is about. It is Shitsurei, impolite.
Aikido and Daito Ryu Aiki Jujutsu we are one family. The diversity is a blessing for all of us, we can chose any style that fits our character.
Great videoclip great lecture. Indeed, Rei, politeness, is an essential PART of budo.
@@thunderflower7998 In 1922 Sokaku visited Morihei in his dojo in Ayaba and stayed for five months. After 5 months, Sokaku made Morihei an official instructor and Morihei Ueshiba received the Kyoju Dairi Scroll (google this keyword and you'll find an excellent article), which was the highest certificate at the time given by Sokaku.
Morihei never received a menkyo kaiden though. Sokaku started to give these menkyo kaiden to other students AFTER his break with Morihei.
Ueshiba did surprisingly not receive Menkyo Kaiden.
Why it is written Ju Jutsu when they pronounce clearly Jiu Jitsu?!
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Because it clearly is not pronounced Jiu Jitsu? Especially not the Jitsu part? The word Jitsu does not even exist in modern Japanese. Latest usage was over 1000 years ago, and not related to martial arts.
@@Jiyukan Its exactly pronounced Jiu Jitsu! I have heard it many times from Japanese directly. And also Jitsu. You can hear it in terms like Ken-jitsu or Tai-jitsu. No Japanese say jutsu.
@@Gieszkanne Just: lol. perhaps you need a fix to your ears or a fix to how non english speakers write non english languages.
The word Jitsu dos not exist in modern day Japanse.
And I would actually not really know how to pronounce it. It would be Jeee-iiiee-utsu, which makes no sense. There is no word in Japanese that starts with a J letter and goes straight into in I letter.
Roman aka english aka European writing of Japanese is based on the Hiragana writing of Japanese words.
It is more or less a one to one transformation of Japanese letters to European ones. There is no "Jiu" in Japanese. Simple or not? And Ju Jutsu is not pronounced Jiu Jiutsu, (or Jiu Jiutsiu - how many "i"'s do you want to add in a word that has none of them?) does not really matter what your native language is. If it sounds "Jiu" to you, get some doctor to check your ears.