The Sword & Sorcery Saga - Part One - What is Sword & Sorcery?
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
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In this video, I talk a little bit about the sub-genres we will be covering in this video series.
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• The Sword & Sorcery Saga
I'm currently reading through the Conan books and (to me at least) they are pure brilliance. I recently read a 'Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser' story which I loved! For some reason I never got round to reading Fritz Leiber before.
The F&GM stories are amazing. Just skip the first few, before they meet.
@IV I was contemplating if I should read them in chronological or published order...I went with whichever piqued my interest.
Enjoy the Conan stories but I find Leiber rather dull. I've tried several times, but I just can't get into the Lankhmar stories.
Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser > Conan, any old day!
Conan's good, the issue is Robert E Howard
Your book collection is staggering, I also adore the vintage art on these books that is what pulled me to the first Conan book I bought as a kid. Being an artist myself it has had a massive impact on my life. Looking forward to these episodes.
Thanks! What kind of stuff do you draw/paint?
@@TheDungeonDive mainly do concept art at the moment but when I get chance like doing more classical fantasy stuff. Loved the art on the old Del Ray Edgar Rice Burroughs Martian books and the old Sphere Conan publications. That’s what got me into artists like Frazetta which hooked me into Dungeons and Dragons as a kid
I have lots of gamebooks too. 8 sets of Lone Wolf from books 1 to 28.
8 sets of red fox Lone Wolf, but i dont have the hardcovers published in around 2010
Vintage books art is still so good, even the cheesy ones. Wish modern books would use vintage design more.
Started with Sword and Sorcery about 1970 when I bought a Conan novel, I don't remember which but I was hooked on the genre, it even got me to go down the gym.
That's awesome! Glad it inspired you in such a way.
I love your channel! Every time I tune in its like a trip down memory lane. I've been collecting sword & sorcery / sword & planet fiction for many years and enjoy nothing more than reading and discussing the genre. Game on, Sir!
Oh wow! Now I’m intimidated! :) I bet I can learn a lot from you. Looking forward to it! Any off the beaten path recommendations?
@@TheDungeonDive Lol! I think you've covered a fair amount of it!
I really do not understand the fear of nudity.. the fear of beautiful bodies.. (S&S actually inspires me in the gym).. or the fear of male power fantasies. I do not give a shit if females have power fantasy stories.. I hope they have. But I don't see anything wrong with males having them either. So weird to me that it is such a big deal to some people.
That’s cool you get inspired at the gym!
@@TheDungeonDive I cant tell if you are being ironic. 😀 But yes. Finding inspiration to overcome obstacles and bettering myself mentally and physically in art is indeed cool. To me anyways. 😄
Not at all! It’s great when art inspires you to do good things.
@@TheDungeonDive Okay. 😄 The weidness of not conversing face to face.
Yes. Text chatting on the internet is probably the worst kind of communication.
the hypermasculinity and hyperfeminity and otherness/weirdness of the villains are the best parts! its campy sure, but it reminds me of, say, the illiad, or how lavish and grand all the princes and their gifts in arabian nights are, it has a vibe to it that reminds me of old literature, literature that really actually matters in a way that passing cheesy paperback fiction doesnt, albeit in a silly and distilled sort of way
It can be one of the best parts, depending on how its handled. Unfortunately it's rarely handled well.
Thanks for covering the more "classical" S&S famtasy. That's what I grew up with and love. You showed some stuff there that I am unfamiliar with, but I know most of the authors. I was never as big a fan of the " High fantasy" with elves etc but that is ok too. I would really like to see more modern S&S like the old stuff but not necessarily in the Conan mold.
Thanks! If you want to continue following the S&S saga and my book coverage, please check out my new channel.
ua-cam.com/channels/ZkRBpwZB7jtX_zz-gYUmTw.html
Excellent video, I picked up my first Sphere (uk) Frazetta, Conan paperback at the age of 9 (the one with Thak) and never looked back. I was inspired to become an artist after that. I will be using your video as a catalogue next time I go book shopping 😀.
Right on! That’s great.
I’ve come to enjoy Sword & Sorcery this year. I think I’d say the first I read was The Warrior of the Altaii (though it hasn’t been described that way, though S&S seems out of style) when it came out a couple years ago. Nice collection!
Been waiting for someone to tackle this!
Hi there! In what way, may I ask? Just curious about what exactly you're looking for. I'll be working on the first proper episode in January, covering the first three books. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Been working on/writing a post-apocalyptic action crime thriller book that is basically Punisher and Mad Max meets Fallout. However as I'm almost done polishing the story, a friend of mine who is a fantasy-enthusiast encouraged me to start writing a sword-and-sorcery story. I liked the idea but I didn't know where to start until one day I was replaying the Dawnguard DLC on Skyrim after so long of not having done so. And this is where my current sword-and-sorcery project comes in.
Basically it's about a barbarian mercenary who encounters a vampire hunter one day in a tavern and then not too long after, he tries to bed a woman who he later finds out almost the hard way that his sexual conquest turned out to be a vampire. Of course, the barbarian mercenary slays this she-devil vampire but immediately realizes that he needs to find that vampire hunter after refusing his offer earlier. Upon finally joining however, he's sent on a quest to retrieve a supposedly-fabled relic that seems to hold great importance to vampires. Upon finally finding where this relic is found, and slaughtering vampires along the way, he finds that the relic is actually a woman who is also a vampire but has been sealed away for centuries. Why she's so important to these vampires is not yet fully known but this woman is actually friendly for a vampire. Of course this causes a conundrum for the barbarian vampire because he is supposed to be hunting vampires but now he has a vampire companion who actually does not act like her own kind. But there are far bigger troubles than this as they soon find out together.
Once I finish writing both stories, I do want them both to merge with every main character forming a five-man band. This one having the barbarian mercenary and the sorceress chasing down a necromancer who forms a portal as a means of escape. As they give chase, the barbarian and the sorceress meet an Army Ranger, an FBI chick, and a teen hacker (they're from my post-apocalyptic world). And with the teen hacker backing out of what he sees as a fight about to erupt, the Army Ranger fights the barbarian while the FBI chick fights the sorceress. One pair accuses the other of being one of the necromancer's accomplices but both deny this. After which they form an uneasy alliance with the goal of capturing or killing the necromancer. The Army Ranger eventually becomes the leader of the five, while the FBI chick becomes the lancer. The teen hacker and the sorceress both share the role of the smart and the heart of the team due to their individual personalities while the barbarian is the big guy although the Army Ranger also has traits of a powerhouse due to being the most physically fit of the team. So yeah. This one is supposed to combine sci-fi and fantasy tropes into one story in a sense.
Sounds ambitious!
Love a lot of these. I would add Wagner's Kane and the Warrior Witch of Hel trilogy on here as well.
Asa Drake’s series is probably my favorite S&S series! I’ve reviewed them all! I’ll be reviewing all of his books on my book channel, All Fiction is Fantasy! :)
Elric Conan Kane plus the warrior witch!
Thanks Daniel, an excellent start - I enjoyed the music, by the way! You highlight the art as being one of the important facets, and I agree. Beyond the idealized human forms, they also tended to convey the ‘pulpy’ sense of adventure quite well.
Thank you! Have you checked out the Taschen Masterworks of Fantasy Art book?
The Dungeon Dive Ah, was that the book? Thanks, will look it up. As it’s Taschen, I may have better luck finding it here in Europe!
Yes maybe. It was quite expensive here. :).
Good point about Sword and Sorcery being a part of a larger genre of reverence for the idealized human body, and I think it's certain that the continuity goes back to the Hellenistic world and probably even further. It would be utterly vain to expect a genre so rooted in primal human affects and desires to portray men and women differently than it does, and there's a big difference between a fantastical idealization of women and misogyny.
And how prevalent is the warrior woman type in the genre? I suspect a common spirit moving Sword and Sorcery and the Renaissance epic poem _Orlando Furioso._ The two most memorable female characters in that are a blonde damsel in distress and a badass warrior maiden.
I remember reading in an editorial of _Dragon_ magazine in the 1990s that Tolkien was not nearly as important an influence on D&D as Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser. Sword and Sorcery feels much more game-like than High Fantasy.
For sure! I love the game-like qualities of S&S.
Yeah, the lunacy has set deep in these people- they 'want' see these things and gobble up those sweet virtue berries(or they may really be that weird). Strange thing to start with and the Cattle doesn´t even bleat in protest nowadays..
Destroyed my interest from the start, just don´t want Anthony Gramsci to be ever present but... that´s almost impossible now it seems.
I just learned yesterday that "Sword & Sorcery" doesn't just mean "Medieval era fantasy with magic." It's really weird to me that it has a very specific meaning.
FYI, I've never been a big fan of Fantasy, in fact I usually avoid it. It's only very recently that I've been looking into the genre (I still don't like it for the most part).
Never to late to learn something new and get into new things. :)
It might just mean you haven't found the right subgenre of fantasy yet. I dislike a lot of fantasy, but really enjoy modern grimdark and classic sword & sorcery. There's dozens of subgenres, one might work for you better than the others (:
In defense of women being a "Damsel in Distress," I think that is a theme in a lot of women's novels as well (at least during that same time period). I think most women like the idea of being saved by a big strong guy, so it works for their fantasy too. Of course, I haven't read the books so I don't know how misogynistic they get beyond the covers.
Personally, as a guy, I would be more attracted to a woman warrior who fights along side the man than a woman that's always getting herself caught. But I can't speak for other guys.
Damsel in distress and Amazon are two - let's say, sexual personae: different kinds of idealized women, within male imagination. For sure, women's romance novels are based on the archetypes of damsel in distress or beauty and the beast: the female imagination's counterpart, its own take on the idealized fantasy of the body and its sexual nature.
In a prior conversation you stated robert e howard created sword and sorcery. L sprande du campe who published many of Howard's conan stories in the 60s compiled a book of sword and sorcery stories titled Spell of the Seven. A boon you reviewed. In the book he included Lord Dunsanys 1912 story Hoard of the Gebbelins which most likely Howard copied when he wrote Tower of the Elephant.
How can you say Robert E Howard created sword and sorcery when the guy publishing Conan says he didn't?
Thank you! This has been a great learning experience. Love learning new things. Your information has been incredible valuable and useful.
Yes, I have most of Lin Carter's Sword and Planet, and Lost World books. Great Edgar Rice Burroughs-esque stories. Tiana was a Red Sonja clone, but she was a tough lady. No one took advantage of her. I gave away my original Tiana, Red Sonja, and John Jakes books. Probably should have kept them. Still have the Kline books. A lot of these are getting harder to find.
The Red Sonja books are definitely going up in price.
In the odyssey Odysseus and his men enters cave to steal treasure but then is attacked by cyclops.
Isn't that formula used alot in conan stories? Conan enters castle or ruins to obtain treasure then fights monster?
The Elric saga is great. It’s my favorite in the Eternal Champion.
Oh yeah. By far. It’s probably the only Moorcock I really love.
Love Elric, but I've grown to like Corum just a little bit more in recent years.
I used to go to the bookstores just to browse sci-fi/fantasy genre shelves. I would have bought them all if had afforded them.
Now I can do that watching your video. :) The browsing part, that is. Love to read the comments too, so many recommendations to keep an eye on.
I don't remember seeing these authors specifically, I think there is a vague memory of Sterling Lanier Hiero's Journey which left me amazed. Tried to find this book later on but unsuccessfully. It seems that it would be a difficult task to find most of these works in print? I saw DMR Books link, I'll save it to check these book out.
Needless to say, looking forward to your next video!
A lot of these books and authors are from the 30s and 40s, so unless you're really old, you may not have seen them at the book stores. ;)
Thanks!
I loved this. I collect Sword and Sorcery books and games. I saw books I didn't know about. Thank you.
Thanks! I have a new channel dedicated to books, with the new S&S stuff being updated there.
youtube.com/@allfictionisfantasy
I dare to say this is the best video on UA-cam that is S&S-related and an excellent introduction to the genre and it's sister-genres. I'm so happy that you dared to mention it's problematic tropes and that we could discuss about them maturely as fans and as writers, to make the genre more approachable, and most important, relevant for the modern times. I really want to see this resurgence of S&S stories into 2020's. Maybe tackle new kind of conflicts, new kind of perspectives and such.
I'm very much interested to write Fritz Leiber & Michael Moorcock inspired S&S or S&P short-stories and adventures for tabletop role-playing.
oh wow, thanks! Great comment. I'm sure you're aware of DMR books? They seem to be interested in publishing new S&S / authors.
dmrbooks.com/
I'd love to see these sub-genre flourish again. I'm so tired of the thousand page, multiple-book fantasy series that seem so prevalent today. I would at least like to see more S&S stuff along side that other stuff. :)
@@TheDungeonDive I will be more active in producing stuff for tabletop gaming, so I won't write any short-stories as of yet. But I know of DMR, got one of their anthologies as gift from a Swedish RPG designer who's my personal S&S-Guru of sorts.
He, in collaboration with another designer, wrote the Swedish version of the OSR game "Swords & Wizardry" called "Svärd & Svartkonst". Literally translates to "Sword & Sorcery".
@@TheDungeonDive Most of their work are in Swedish, but I think all of their published adventures has been translated to English. www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/9140/Svartkonst
That stuff looks cool! You would think that these genres of fiction would be getting more popular again with the rise of OSR games getting more popular. But I don't know. Readers just want their Martins, Rothfusses, Abercrombies, and Sandersons.
@@TheDungeonDive I actually think that a closest to what we could call a global revivification of S&S is coming from the OSR-style of Rpgs.
Not all of them, but a lot of them. The style emphasises on personal, non-world threatening adventures that are run in a very much episodic fashion.
I can totally see the OSR-style and the RPG-Zine as progenitors for a renewed interest in the S&S genre as a whole.
I’m still reading the original Dragonlance trilogy. Also reading the first fantasy novel based in Terrinoth
I really like the first Dragonlance trilogy. So much fun. Also, the original Icewind Dale trilogy is good.
I love this video and have seen it more than once. I hope you carry on with this series. I think it would be fun if you started a "Dungeon Dive Book Club" and find a way to make it interactive with the members.
Thanks! A video for books 5 and 6 of the Elric saga should be coming sometime soon.
Better check yourself before he out you as a misogynist.
I love your collection, and am especially envious of your Avon Fantasy Readers, which I have not yet added to my shelves. I would say my favorite author is Jack Vance, some of his prose, especially the dying earth material, is sublime. Looking forward to your comments, I hope you spend some time talking about the cover and other art, in addition to the stories themselves. The S&S art from the late 40's to the late 70's was so diverse and interesting.
Thank you, I really appreciate it.
I will definitely be spending A LOT of time talking about the art! I will be doing a flip through of the Taschen Masterworks of Fantasy Art soon! So stay tuned. Although I'm hoping UA-cam doesn't flag the video, because there is a lot of nudity in it.
Jack Vance is great - I need to get some cool old copies of the Dying Earth books.
What else would you recommend from Vance?
@@TheDungeonDive After Dying Earth, I would turn to the Lyonesse series.
Have it, haven't read it.
@@TheDungeonDive I also enjoy Clark Ashton Smith's short stories, but i'm not sure where he fits into the S&S schema, although if Lovecraft is included, then why not CAS too?
Really upping your production values Daniel. That slow panning of the camera is a nice touch. Along with the music.
Whatever I can do on my phone. :)
Bro I'm so jealous of your collection, that's a lot of books you have there
This is a fantastic series (no pun intended) and your self-made music is really great!
Thank you! Glad you enjoy it.
I would love to get a list of all these sword and sorcery classics.
Hopefully you’ll be able to make good list as I work through these books.
So much I haven’t read yet! I’m currently reading Leigh Brackett.
Your overview of the genre is excellent and really covers the issues I’ve raised in my mind. I’m looking forward to future videos and expanding my library. Thanks for sharing all the wonderful and evocative cover art.
What are you reading from her?
The Dungeon Dive I’m currently reading the Skaith trilogy as well as the Sword of Rhiannon.
Those are among the things I've read from her as well.
I have read some fantasy that influenced by horror, action/adventure, crime, mystery, the Garrett P.I. novels by Glen Cook. Genre is tricky subject too make out sometimes.
A link to the full playlist:
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Thank you for this video and defining Sword & Sorcery. While I am not an expert, I have read a number of S&S books, and obtained several of those type of games. Also, thank you for covering outside of Conan. S&S does seem more simplistic in its storyline and depth, and lately with games and even books, there is a lot of bleed-over of S&S themes and fantasy. Anyway, coverage on these types of topics are welcomed.
thank you! I really appreciate it. What are some of your favorites in the genre? And I'm no expert either! I'm betting I learn as much from you guys.
@@TheDungeonDive I haven't read much recently, I've read more over the years from some of the obvious outside of Robert E Howard which were Fritz Leiber, CL Moore, Lin Carter, Michael Moorecock and several that you showed on this video, and I've read various others. I hadn't really known or even understood what Sword & Sorcery was really defined as over that span of time. Yet, I kinda learned and even after watching your video brought to mind some of the books I've read. I had to go to my bookshelf, which has been whittled down over the years. I am interested in picking up this subject of reading more and more as time goes on, so I am anxious to learn from you and other viewers.
@@TheDungeonDive By the way, I did sign up for your Patreon, as I have watched your videos for a while and have been inspired by what you cover more than any other channel I subscribe to. You share a lot of my interests in gaming as well as reading and I hope you keep making wonderful videos.
@@jarrod6670 thank you. I appreciate it.
There is a new publisher company releasing all kinds of great classic and new S&S called DMR books. Highly recommended for building up a new library. I've been buying mainly e-books of their stuff, as I tend to only buy vintage stuff in physical format.
dmrbooks.com/
Love S&D, S&P
Jack Vance, Dying Earth and Planet of Adventure.
Jewels of Aptor.
Dying Earth and Planet of Adventure will both be covered at some point.
@@TheDungeonDive Awesome! Thanks for covering this stuff and bringing up the good and bad of the genres. Great video with great book covers!
Sure thing! Thanks for watching and commenting. Hope you enjoy the series as it progresses over the coming years.
Ill be honest I expected Conan pulp bks to be a hack job because the media has a certain corniness but its actually well written, brilliant fantasy stories.
Robert E. Howard was an amazing author. Incredibly talented.
I own the Elric Saga since 1996. I don’t read them🙈Looking your video brings me to rectify this 🤗
Yes! You should. They're great.
Okay, de Camp, now we are talking.
Where does the music from the intro come from? Sounds so nostalgic to me, as if I had heard it before.
I wrote it. From a project I did making a bunch of jingles from fake VHS tapes.
@@TheDungeonDive Wow, awesome.
@@TheDungeonDive Dude, this intro is so awesome! Have you uploaded more of these compositions?
I don't know who you are, but somebody on reddit gave me your description of sword and sorcery--almost word for word, lol.
That was probably me. :). Montorg on Reddit. :).
That was my first post on the S&S sub-reddit, and I didn't want to just self-promote the video.
@@TheDungeonDive Small world, lol.
Haha. How did you find this video?
@@TheDungeonDive I think I typed in "sword and sorcery" or what you have in the title "What is sword and sorcery." I scrolled down the list a bit.
You might try reading Ballantine books adult fantasy series. It was edited by Lin Carter and has some interesting works.
I’ve read and own a ton of those! They’re amazing. Why would you assume I haven’t? Very odd.
@@TheDungeonDive I'm sure you've read things I haven't. I'm sure I've read things you haven't. Since I can't be sure what you've read, I recommend something I like.
Probably best to ask “have you read any of the Ballantine adult fantasy series?” That would have been a good way to start a conversation.
@@TheDungeonDive i suggest reading material. I consider it just as good a way to start a conversation. Most people don't seem to be bothered by it.
What’s the music? It sounds great
Thanks. It's a track I composed and recorded.
carlsagansghost.bandcamp.com/music
World of Tiers is another good series
I'm really hit or miss with Farmer. I'll have to give it a go and see what side of the fence it ends up on. :)
Love the background music, really looking forward to this series!
Thank you! I've got a bunch of albums available at Bandcamp.
carlsagansghost.bandcamp.com/
@@TheDungeonDive Nice, always looking for ambient tracks to aid my mini painting efforts. Definitely going to give those a listen.
The music nice very tangerine dream which had some epic soundtracks
Yeah! Ambient music as well. Good stuff. :)
I've waited for someone to talk about the genre. Also, you did the music for the video?, it's amazing, do you have it on UA-cam or Spotify?
Thanks! I have albums on Bandcamp.
carlsagansghost.bandcamp.com
@@TheDungeonDive Thanks!
My stepson loves Michael Moorcock
He has some great books, with Elric being my absolute favorite.
Part Two ever coming?
The playlist contains parts 1-14
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And it has been continued on the not-often-updated book channel, All Fiction is Fantasy
www.youtube.com/@allfictionisfantasy
@@TheDungeonDive thanks!
Thank you so much for making this content!
The Sword & Sorcery subgenre has fallen out of favor with audiences and publishing houses, while high fantasy remains popular and grimdark is steadily on the rise. I love S&S although I have a great deal of criticism towards it. I often feel like it's automatically written off as self-serving fantasies of lust & power written by racist and sexist old white men... and for sure a lot of them are XD. But on doing so we lose track of the few female and non-white authors that were trying to subvert the morals, subjects and even style of the genre; like Jessica Amanda Salmonson, Samuel R. Delany, and such.
That's an automatic subscribe from me. Looking forward to see the rest of the series!
Thanks! Expect some works from Jessica Amanda Salmonson. My favorite book of all time is Dhalgren, by Delany. :)
There are a few more S&S videos in the playlist, with many more to come!
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i mean dark sun gets pretty grimdark lol a ruined world with a handfull of citys each managed by an insane sorcery king where most of the "prosperity" of the world comes on the backs of slaves. talk about epic dystopia, just the kind of setting that needs heros
Where’s Part II?
The new playlist is here at my new book channel.
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It was precisely this kind of stuff that made these masterpieces so amazing, no political correctness. Say less. Im reading it lol
What do you mean by political correctness?
Prisoned of the Horned Helmet by James Silke
Death Dealer!
Song? (0:00)
It's a track I wrote and recorded. I have many albums of ambient music here:
carlsagansghost.bandcamp.com/music
@@TheDungeonDive do you remember name of this song?
Would you agree sword and sorcery started with The Odyssey?
Don't know. I don't know much about things from antiquity, or at least not enough to trace the lineage that far back. If you keep going back far enough, all things have a common ancestor, but I think that kind of dilutes that new things that really did set the standards for certain genres. There are definitely things that make S&S different from the Greek myths. For one thing myths used allegory and metaphor to explain things, and S&S really does not, or at least it's not the point of the genre. I think I could say that the Odyssey influenced fantasy genre fiction in general, but that S&S fiction is a uniquely modern genre.
@@TheDungeonDive I disagree. Sword and sorcery is just guy with sword versus sorcerer. Usually involving guy entering cave or castle for treasure and saving someone. Usually involving monster. This happens in the odyssey.
the conan story pool of the black one conan and group of sailors land on island and the sailors are turned into small stone figures. Conan then rescues the sailors. Conan stories are considered sword and sorcery.
In the odyssey Odysseus and group of sailors land on island calisto through sorcery turns the sailors into animals. Odysseus then goes to rescue them.
How are these stories different?
Not sure! Also not really sure that it matters. :) It's cool that you know so about and love the Odyssey so much! Always nice to make connections between all of the various things we like.
@@TheDungeonDive My point is that people say Robert E Howard created sword and sorcery but the facts show that the odyssey is where it started. And before Howard writers like Dunsany and Abraham merritt were writing sword and sorcery. But everyone writing in the genre were just doing their adaptation of the odyssey.
Howard is considered the grandfather of what we consider modern S&S fiction. Again, if you go back far enough you can find earlier and earlier common ancestries for all sorts of things. At some point we have to be able to distinguish between those things, and recognize ground zero for modern and contemporary tropes and conventions.
But then again, it really doesn't matter. This is just another argument of genre semantics, which I something I like to avoid. :) As my book channel states, All Fiction is Fantasy! :)
Robert E Howard
What about him?
If Lin Carter's detractors can't point to alternate possibilities then all they are is whiners.
Man, you come off as combative right out of the gate. Lol. People just point out to take some of Carter’s “facts,” with a grain of salt. His work in the field is invaluable. Huge fan here.
@@TheDungeonDive No that was a semi quote from ted roosevelt
Ah! LOL. :)
You lost me when you started talking about how problematic things are.
Right on! Thanks for the thoughtful comment. Really adds a lot to the discussion.
@@TheDungeonDive Sarcasm is wonderful. Looking at everything throughout history through the lens of 2021 isn't.
It’s my favorite genre of fiction. But as I said, we can’t ignore the things that are wrong about it. I wouldn’t spend thousands of dollars and decades of time tracking down things I don’t love. But I’m also a discerning reader who thinks about things. And if you actually listen to my words without knee jerk reaction, you’ll hear that I only encourage people to read these books. However, there are probably a thousand other channels covering this stuff that will probably align more with what you want out of it.
@@TheDungeonDive I'm not looking for "what I want out of it" We have a movement today where people are expected to defend everything we love or what interests us. Whipping ourselves in penance over liking hero fantasy. Nothing will ever pass today's purity test and be interesting. People rake HP Lovecraft over the coals every day as if his mental illness wasn't the absolute root of his creative genius. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a heroic male character rescuing a helpless female. Anyone with a partially functional frontal lobe understands that these are Fantasy stories and the overwhelming majority of those consuming them were young men. There isn't anything that should be apologized for. Those offended by everything will invariably find what they are looking for.
Yeah. But I’m not doing any of that. I love this stuff. No purity tests here. Just looking at things for what they are.
Just so you know, Fritz Leiber's last name is pronounced "lye-ber", not "lee-ber".
Thanks for pointing out the mistake! Super appreciate it!
Beautiful naked women is misogyny?
Never said anything even close to that.
" misogyny " " problematic " Oh boy... Healthy people fit people and gritty realism is "problematic" lmfao.. what a waste of time his shite video was
Oh, did the poor little snowflake get triggered?
@@TheDungeonDive No, you got triggered. That's why you resorted to parroting the new AP stylebook lexicon. The sight of human anatomy, healthy men/ woman, triggered you into using terms that were unnatural to you till just recently. You got "triggered" like sone MKULTRA mind control shit shit.. parrot
LOL! You sure are triggered and angry! It's OK. Maybe your jealous of my 400+ book S&S collection; it's pretty damn cool. Who knows? I hope you find some peace and joy in your life.