Thank you for posting this, Mr. Van Hare. This is a story that definitely needs to be told. As a model builder, I am interested in making a diorama of a Curtiss JN-4 (using the recent Glencoe reissue of the venerable 1956 Aurora kit) that was used in this horrific pogrom. But after spending a full morning online, I was unable to locate any photos showing the JN-4 in Curtiss Southwest Airline Company livery. I suspect this lack of photographic documentation was as much to perpetuate the coverup, as it was because a century ago, people rarely carried cameras with them. Aftermarket decals are no help, either; most of these are for "Barnstorming" aircraft. Online historical texts are vague at best and speculative at worst. This is NOT an easy project for me. I want to depict the harsh reality of what was done - not to 'glorify' it in any way. Because of this, accuracy is a must; all the more so since there are people who would 'glorify' this atrocity even as they would simultaneously deny that it ever happened . . . . If you are able to direct me to a site online that could help, I would greatly appreciate your assistance.
I believe the aircraft were left in original Army canvas, with national insignia removed. The advertising image I posted from Curtiss Southwest shows one of their planes, though it is only a photo-like illustration of it. I expect we will never know for sure, but I suspect that the company simply put its logo (as seen in the advertising) on the sides of the fuselage and that was it. As well, given the times, it is likely that different planes had different positioning, sizing, and markings, some probably without even a logo on the side. Uniformity in airline livery mostly evolved later and pertains to major airlines, not small operations like this one.
@@HistoricWings Thank you for your assistance with this matter. As an aside, there are two classic styrene plastic kits from the mid-1950's currently still in production. These are the aforementioned Aurora kit, now available from Glencoe Models, and the just as iconic Lindberg offering, currently manufactured by Atlantis Models. Both are in 1/48th scale. My current idea is to display the model on an airfield base being readied for flight, with a (O-Scale) Model T Ford pickup truck bringing in the dynamite / incendiaries used in the attack. There will be figures servicing the aircraft, and I'm debating whether or not to add one figure in Klan robes, balefully overseeing the preparations, to leave no doubt as to what is going on. Ironically, if there are any solid photos of the aircraft used (and the pilots and ground crews who participated) in the attack, they are probably in private, KKK archives. Needless to say I won't be testing this theory online for fear of "cookies," among other things. Again, thanks for your assistance, and keep up the good work. Subscription added.
Wow, thanks! I really appreciate that -- these two current videos I am working on are very involved and with great depth of research (The Swedish Bomb), an area that has never really been adequately examined, but after this I will be back to publishing more frequently. My target is twice a week.
A very interesting video indeed. I saw a television programme about this subject in England but I had no idea of the use of aeroplanes in this awful event. Subscribed.
Thank you! I expect that in the next week, there will be a lot of coverage. My goal is to provide a balanced and factual report of one aspect of the events -- the use of aircraft -- while avoid sensationalism.
Thank you for a very interesting and important look into our past. I was aware of the Tulsa race riot and the use of airplanes. I was not aware of the number of aircraft and the amount of damage they caused. Truly disgusting page in aviation history.
Thank you for posting this, Mr. Van Hare. This is a story that definitely needs to be told.
As a model builder, I am interested in making a diorama of a Curtiss JN-4 (using the recent Glencoe reissue of the venerable 1956 Aurora kit) that was used in this horrific pogrom. But after spending a full morning online, I was unable to locate any photos showing the JN-4 in Curtiss Southwest Airline Company livery. I suspect this lack of photographic documentation was as much to perpetuate the coverup, as it was because a century ago, people rarely carried cameras with them. Aftermarket decals are no help, either; most of these are for "Barnstorming" aircraft. Online historical texts are vague at best and speculative at worst.
This is NOT an easy project for me. I want to depict the harsh reality of what was done - not to 'glorify' it in any way. Because of this, accuracy is a must; all the more so since there are people who would 'glorify' this atrocity even as they would simultaneously deny that it ever happened . . . .
If you are able to direct me to a site online that could help, I would greatly appreciate your assistance.
I believe the aircraft were left in original Army canvas, with national insignia removed. The advertising image I posted from Curtiss Southwest shows one of their planes, though it is only a photo-like illustration of it. I expect we will never know for sure, but I suspect that the company simply put its logo (as seen in the advertising) on the sides of the fuselage and that was it. As well, given the times, it is likely that different planes had different positioning, sizing, and markings, some probably without even a logo on the side. Uniformity in airline livery mostly evolved later and pertains to major airlines, not small operations like this one.
@@HistoricWings Thank you for your assistance with this matter.
As an aside, there are two classic styrene plastic kits from the mid-1950's currently still in production. These are the aforementioned Aurora kit, now available from Glencoe Models, and the just as iconic Lindberg offering, currently manufactured by Atlantis Models. Both are in 1/48th scale.
My current idea is to display the model on an airfield base being readied for flight, with a (O-Scale) Model T Ford pickup truck bringing in the dynamite / incendiaries used in the attack. There will be figures servicing the aircraft, and I'm debating whether or not to add one figure in Klan robes, balefully overseeing the preparations, to leave no doubt as to what is going on.
Ironically, if there are any solid photos of the aircraft used (and the pilots and ground crews who participated) in the attack, they are probably in private, KKK archives. Needless to say I won't be testing this theory online for fear of "cookies," among other things.
Again, thanks for your assistance, and keep up the good work.
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You are one of my favorite channels on UA-cam. Thank you for creating such outstanding historical aviation content.
Wow, thanks! I really appreciate that -- these two current videos I am working on are very involved and with great depth of research (The Swedish Bomb), an area that has never really been adequately examined, but after this I will be back to publishing more frequently. My target is twice a week.
I never learned this growing up. This is your best, so far!
Wow, thanks! I appreciate that very much. A very hard story so it was difficult to cover in a way that properly does the story justice.
A very interesting video indeed. I saw a television programme about this subject in England but I had no idea of the use of aeroplanes in this awful event. Subscribed.
Thank you! I expect that in the next week, there will be a lot of coverage. My goal is to provide a balanced and factual report of one aspect of the events -- the use of aircraft -- while avoid sensationalism.
Absolutely brilliant!
Thank you!
Thank you for a very interesting and important look into our past. I was aware of the Tulsa race riot and the use of airplanes. I was not aware of the number of aircraft and the amount of damage they caused. Truly disgusting page in aviation history.
Yes, a very hard story -- which is also why I knew that I had to tell it. Thank you for your comments and support!
I wonder what our woke generals think?
Another question might be what our generals thought in 1921!