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Roland SE-02 Review - Sonic LAB
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2017
- The Roland Boutique Designer Series SE-02 analog mono synth
made in conjunction with Studio Electronics - a three oscillator monosynth with 24dB ladder filter, delay, sequencer and USB audio.
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My synth repairman said this is only synth recently that has impressed him and he has repaired thousands of synths and has huge collection.
It's a really nice bit of kit. Tim Caswell put so much passion into this thing, I think it's his magnum opus.
He nailed it!
A firmware update brought a dedicated PWM digital LFO, controlled by the value knob. it's more versatile than the xmod on osc3
❤👍🏼
It wouldn't be a Sonic state review unless Nick says "pulse width modulation". It's like waiting for James bond to say"bond,James Bond", Or Arnold to say "I'll be back".
Dorian James But Arnold has only said that in a couple movies....
9 times, not including variations.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27ll_be_back
Dorian James i thought i was the only one who waited for it.
Personally, I was waiting for “sing song harmonics”
Lol
I own one, and I'm very happy, the knobs are not a problem, the unit is solid. And once you turn it on, you just forget about the little wobbliness. The sound is A MA ZING.
Like an idiot I sold mine and now I miss it everyday. Probably gonna buy another soon. It just sounds so good, and the x-mod + noise + feedback + delay feedback gives you some gnarly sounds. Almost Ms20 like.
I still love my se02. The waveform and range knobs wiggle a little, but that’s because they go down to the lower board for technical reasons, they never felt unstable. I saw some guy showing stepping in some demo, looking closely, he had snap on in his daw, recording stepped automation, embarrassing, turn snap off please. You have to se it for what it is, they crammed in a minimog like, fully analog synth in a pocket format, that sounds really good, with patch memory and full cc control, wich is crazy achievement. They make a lot of fantastic euro rack modules, so they know what they are doing. They added pwm in a later update after this review, and some other features. I add an overdrive pedal sometimes for added warmth. If you don’t like the format, buy a mini Moog or a behringer, if you’re a keyboardist you won’t like this, the knobs are far too small, for my mini studio it’s perfect with the patch memory and cc, try to find that on a minimoog for this price, or at all. Just my 2 cents.
Br bobb
I sweat each time Nick grabbed a knob. They should actually be called "wigglers".
ha yeah
yeah put me off instantly
shame as the synth has great potential
Do you mean that the knobs are wobbly?
That knob wobble is downright scary. C'mon guys, for months all I've heard is how the build quality will be so much better than Behringer's offering. Haven't noticed wobble like that in any of the Behringer D videos. Just saying!
May be it's due to it being a demo unit ... ?
Just purchased and it really is a HUGE sound. The form factor you really forget about once you start creating sounds. The knobs on mine are not wobbly like the Sonic demo version.
Hi, is this one better or tha actual little keyboard they have is better ? I am guessing this one is because I can hook it up to another one of my 88 keys and get more notes ? Thanks
I have two - on one of them the some kobs have a way better feel than the other, for some reason. Both function/sound the same, but one has a better build quality than the other.
This synth is POWERFUL. Picked mine up the other day.
The *_Micromoog_* *_Model_* *_R_* !
Sounds great and I love that it's possible to store/load presets. If you are in a song band, maybe it's the perfect budget minimoog-ish for the stage.
What is the other type of band beside a song band?
@@s3nsec0rruptr80 Rubber band
@@s3nsec0rruptr80 rubber
at 18:16 this made me by SE-02....love it...takes me back to Front 242 concerts in the late eighties...
When he explains the sine waves on screen it’s like watching the weather forecast, love it
Yes! Yes! Thank you Roland! It was the beautiful style I was looking for, without cables in the way. Thank you Nick and Sonicstate, you pointed out so much so efficiently. My opinion: this is the beginning of a new revolutionary era, where we start improving upon what we understandably back-lashed against and killed in the 80's.
Its funny when nick says sometimes "more on that later"
Seems it never happens.
Ether way, nicks reviews are always fun.
And those oscillators sounds really good.
Nick, by combining the ramp(inverse saw) wave with the saw wave you create actual PWM and control the rate with detune.
I’d love to hear the result
It’s fun creating a rhythmic sequence with dynamic parameter changes, then change patches to something related but a little different for sonic variation within a steady pattern. It sounds very futuristic! I like to create interesting cross mod FM or filter mod and adjust the fine tune of the modulator and change the decay and sustain values while bringing up a delay for a few notes to add rhythmic variety, programmed into the sequence for quasi hi hat and shaker noise patterns. It’s got some unique capabilities!
I've heard/played this in person and I can attest it's a beast. Great value, I don't think people would understand what it would do to the price to make it so that it could have full-sized knobs etc etc etc.
Bought se02 yesterday..guess what.. the knobs are not wobbly. They aren’t. They do not wiggle..plus it sounds great.
mark aprill Good. I am considering getting one. The knobs on the D 05 feel weak.
@@josephwright5921 knobs on the D-05? did you mean the little joystick? i've had my d-05 for a while now and my only complaint is that tiny little joystick. It's never felt loose, It's just too tiny for subtle changes in partial balance
love my se-02's (i've got 2). Se-02 blows away all the other boutiques and volcas. Only prob is the stepping on the filter.
I've been seriously considering one of these
Mine has very wiggly knobs, but it doesn’t bother me
Wow , a very feature packed synth . The best boutique so far very refreshing and great review wish you had more time to give us some more sounds ;-)
Mimicked for sayin those words? We love you, Nick.
I like the joystick encoders.
xD
Loving the groove of the outro tune, Nick. Great review.
9:00 with closed captions on ;-). Wow!
i LOLd
Yes. Quite funny. I had to replay it a few times. LOL. I can't stop laughing.
Another excellent review Nick up to your usual high standards. But there's some serious deinterlacing issues going on around the 4 min mark.
The knob deal: they are fine, I actually use mine a lot. To solve the visual thing: use a sharpie and put a dot of=r a short line where the indicator stripe down the side is. Works great!
Nick getting carried away at 26.00! It sounds really good there though and what with it being an audio interface, how useful is that! Nice
Wasn't expecting this but the SE-02 sound very good. Now I'm interested. Strike that. Unless another synth comes up THIS is my next buy!
Nick = Synth Guru God. Thank you a lot for this deep explanation.
"The new Roland Booty-k SE-02" :) Thanks for the review Nick!
played one of these at guitar center yesterday - didn't notice any "wobbly" knobs like all the comments are mentioning.
Nick, the sequencer transpose with key trigger only works with the Roland K-25m keyboard. You can set it up in the Sequencer mode menu, but it won't work (yet?) with other external keys. So you didn't miss it, it's just limited to the K-25.
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Come on Nick. A guy that loves PWM as much as you should know how to do it on that synth. Set Oscillator 1 or 2 to Saw, and Oscillator 3 to Ramp (you called it "inverse saw"), and dial the amount of PWM with by detuning of the Ramp oscillator. Saw + Ramp = Pulse wave, then detuning gets you the modulation, more detune, faster modulation.
Saw + ramp = PW, yes, but only as long as the oscillators stay in sync and you only modulate the phase - when they are detuned, they'll eventually and inevitably drift to the point of cancellation, which PWM wouldn't (unless you turn the knob "to eleven")
Sort of , but only limited and fixed depth, I did try it (after reading your comment) and it sounded OK but not quite the real deal.
You're right. It's definitely not as controllable as it would be if it had a dedicated function for it, but it is real though-zero PWM, which is uncommon, and you still have another oscillator to stack with it. It sounds great with a pulse or saw wave paired with it, and it gives you sounds you wouldn't otherwise have. It's a work around for any synth with a Saw and a Ramp and no dedicated PWM control, so it also works on a Minimoog, and its clones.
Dropping in to say that SE since made an update that adds proper PWM as a per-patch setting and it sounds rad.
Love the sounds during the Ableton demo @ 26:00 and during the outro. Great demo!
Mine came in the mail today....just getting my first hands on......im so green.....i play drums/guitar/bass/sing...... Been trying to build a little keyboard corner in my basement rehearsal hall... I have Soooooo much learning to do.....its crazy.
327.00 delivered used off reverb
I still can’t believe that the finest and industry standard review channel doesn’t have a far higher subscriber count. It’s the ‘go to’ for serious reviews. Thanks for another fine example. Ordered one accordingly.
Great, trying to decide if this or sh-01 is the bass synthesizer I need and after watching Nick demo both, apparently the answer is "yes"
Don't worry about the mimmicers or the meme'ers - a love of PWM and buzzy depth is not something I would have noticed unless someone pointed it out. Don't apologize for it. You do a fantastic job nick! Keep it up!!!
Looks like the knobs have an LFO assigned to them. Maybe that's why it sounds so good. I want one.
I’m sure you know by now but to transpose press tran next to oct +-holding then octave up or down. Then you can turn it on and off to revert back by pressing button again
Thanks for the review, Nick! (Been waiting for this one.)
You mention that the waveforms are good shapes, but they triangle and saw both look more than a bit sloped compared to some other demo's you've done. Obviously if you like the sound who cares, but as I'm learning about waveforms this has me curious. Is that not a bit odd? Should they not be straighter than they seem on the video?
Thanks so much for the explanation on how to get the XMOD working with the mod wheel Nick - I was going mad trying to work out why it wasn't working on mine and was about to take it back to the shop as I thought it was faulty....
i tried one out. the sound is amazing and the price is right, but that said. the knobs are soooooo close together that when you turn one. your finger bumps the others. so that killed it for me. you can see in the video nicks fingers bum the other knobs.... too bad.
Too bad for you, sausage fingers.
Knobs are looking a bit wobbly what do you think about them?
can kutlu Only the 'tented' knobs are wobbly. But it isn't a deal breaker. I love my SE-02. All other knobs feel solid.
it's because they are made to be operated by tweezers or chop sticks not actual real sized hands
It does sound good. Really good. I'd still get one despite the knobs and routing/sequencing limitations (if I were on the look for a 3 osc. monosynth).
They look like the exact same knobs as the ones on the JX-03, which I have, and those are rock solid with absolutely no wiggle. Not sure why they look so unstable on this one.
can kutlu try the unit in a store to make your final judgement. I have had this unit since launch and im not worried about the knobs. Yes there are a couple of wobbly knobs but the build quality is solid.
Seems like lately Behringer quality is going up while Roland is going down, not good.
Well it's good for Behringer.
Behringer quality going up?? - ua-cam.com/video/Gmdnby0dPco/v-deo.html
The "knob wobble" on the SE-02 is no worse than the "slider wobble" on every Deepmind 12. There were people who got the DM12 and the first thing they had to do was open it up to connect the keyboard ribbon to the main board. That guy is 0 for 2 on the new DM12D. "Behringer quality is going up" is something yet to be seen, IMO. That particular tree is full of cherries to pick.
Better than paying more for less. Roland are using cheap parts as well.
Robert Saint John incorrect.
at 20:14 electronic music at its roots...thanks Nick...
That, not at all slow osc3 Lo mode is pretty disappointing. I would never us PWM that fast on a bass sound. Has this been fixed?
Studio Electronics SE02, is perhaps the most underestimated synth available (Rolands hideous 'Boutique' format aside). A more usable, larger format desktop module would be most welcomed.
hey nick! really nice review there and an excellent sound. speaking of it, how in the world do you encode your audio for youtube for it to sound this crisp? any "special" tips there? your channel generally sounds the best! thanks in advance
I really like this but I'm concerned about the 1/8" outputs. I think I will wait for the next model.
The osc and the filter sound good. But all the control around seems and sound unprecise and messy. We'll see what people come up with it. If its your first analog mono, look into a bass station 2 or a dreadbox synth also.
One thing I was going to ask you Nick. Over the past few months has there been a synth released that's absolutely blown you away?
what about stepping filter for high resonance? I recently found another video showing that issue.. if that's the case, that's a showstopper
Sounds great. Can't help but to worry about those wobbly knobs tho
All of these Roland boutiques are really nice but just so small I've got big hands I have issues with it
There's a official sound editor coming out for this synth (Fall 2017) from Roland, so wobbly knobs small knobs i don't care, studio electronics really knocked it out the park, especially for this price range, 500$ for a 3 osc synth that sounds beautiful to dirty asf, I imagine I might enjoy this more than my pulse 2 which is priced 250$ higher and is also a 3x0sc synth and the filter on the se02 kicks the pulse 2's ass.
I’m trying to decide between this and a Pulse 2. Any thoughts from your experience? I owned an SE-02 for a while and sold it, now I miss it everyday. Can’t decide if I’d be better off with the Pulse 2 because of the amount of features it has. I do think the SE-02 sounds a little better.
What's with the video interlacing? Who uses 1080i in ?
Those wobbly knobs though.....a Moog is build like a tank!
Sounds great although the modulation compromises and the lack of a proper lfo mode for OSC3 are a little off putting.
It would be interesting seeing a tear-down to see what possible mods braver users might be able to experiment with.
Sam Lowry It's a budget Mono, though. So there are going to be SOME limitations.
Excellent review Nick! And really cool music. Well done!
Looks pretty good for the price, agree about the wobbly knobs
Nick, you need to make a synth with every feature imaginable... You only need to watch a minute of your videos in order to have an entire panel of switches in your head
Great review. Love the lead sound on the outro.
14:40 Complicating generating New Life, New Life . . . Depeche Mode "Speak and Spell"
That square has got girth Nick. Happy Xmas :)
great review - and awesome jam at the end too!
If Arturia can get on with the Keystep Pro.. with 49 full size keys, real wheels.. then this would work well for me.. otherwise it'll have stay in Santa land where the elves can fit their digits comfortably!
Agreed, I have a black Keystep and love it as much as it is possible to love mini keys, but I would sell it in a heartbeat for a Keystep Pro with 49 full sized keys (also in black color please, Arturia!).
minikeys on the keystep are great! what about a black version with 61 minikeys (same keys as the existing version, they are great) and real mod wheel and pitch wheel, and a few knobs of maybe some touchstrips ...keep everything else except the sequencer and add some stuff from the beatstep pro..like the 16step buttons and some basic sequencing functionality. and a CLEAR SEQUENCE BUTTON!! in one sentence. Take away the pads from the beatstep pro and add 49 or 61 mini keys...call it KEYSTEP PRO!!! thanks
Nicholas Bryant This is a review for the SE02, not the Keystep. You can control it with any midi keyboard or synth you want. Doesn't have to be the Keystep. What a weird comment.
I opted for the SH-01a.
Thorough review for real
If I didn't have an M32 it probably eat this up. The pre filter drive does help with the filter dropoff somewhat, something that you can't really do on the m32
Thanks Nick! Lovely review
Sold! Great review sir
Now they just need to make an XL version
Facts. With polyphony and quarter inch jacks!
26:25 "I'm gonna get carried away there.." :D :D :D Please do, Nick!!! Sounded lovely!!
Shame the pot values don't 'latch'. Hope that can be patched. On the plus side, very nice oscillators and filter, and I just saw a dolphin in Nick's shirt.
It's no wonder people think analog is "better" than VA, because all these OSC waveforms are nowhere near the mathematical exact ones. You get tons of additional overtones with "square waves" like those square/saw wave hybrids this machine generates! I would have to use a waveshaper to get those waves with a VA modeling synth!
pcuimac Yes i know what you mean. I like the waveforms on dreadbox stuff. They have alot of personal character.
Strictly speaking about oscillators when comparing analog vs digital by such people usually shows a large degree of ignorance as to how signal path functions. The way the cumulative envelopes, filters, VCAs, etc. (even mixers) all function and sound varies widely in the analog domain and is not necessarily easily reproduced in the digital domain. Likewise, you will never get the sound of high quality transformer tubes via analog compressors etc. through any plugin, no matter the processing power.
LOL. The reason the waveforms look like that, is because there is a high-pass filter either in the synth itself or somewhere between the synth and the oscilloscope. It's most likely in the synth to correct for DC offset, which will help minimise unwanted clipping of the signal.
The "LOL" isn't because you're not aware of this though, it's just that analog isn't better, just different, and in any case, we're at the point now where good VA should be practically indistinguishable from real analog. That doesn't mean this is always the case. It doesn't help though that people like to compare apples to oranges.
Someone will pick some random softsynth, and go out of their way to tell the world how its sound is thin and crap, and junk compared to their Minimoog, and declare digital/virtual analog/VSTs are a waste of time. Every synth is different though, a Korg Minilogue doesn't sound like a Minimoog, nor does it sound like an Oberheim OB-X. Even with VSTs, something like Massive doesn't sound like Repro-1.
Niten Dōraku . Very true there are many elements to an analogue signal path which will overall shape the waveform before it even reaches the VCA. Or sometimes even the VCF/s .
Good VAs model the imperfections.
The small size of this synth is of some concern. Small Pots. SE has a thing for small stuff. I'm not much of a fan of 2 Osc sythns, but this synth sounds good, it has PATCH memory. Currently 399 at Sweetwater. I suppose a musician can work with this in their home studio, save patches, then take it out to a gig and play it through a controller or other synth. This is worth serious consideration for an inexpensive sound source to add onto another KB that can use some help.
My Logitech joystick has not that kind of slop even after years of use. Is this a feature?
I’m torn between this and an MS-20 mini.
Quite different but I’m after a tweakable and fat sounding mono and both deliver at that
what did you end up getting
Nothing!!@@danielweitzenfeld7758
Great review thanks nick
can I also record MIDI notes into the SE-02 from external MIDI Keyboard into the sequencer by hitting each note after note?
oh i love that old-man dance music outro.
I want to love the Se02 but the minijacks and the knobs in this presentation looks too wobbly and cheap. sounds good though!
Like other people said: unfortunately the video's got some pretty serious interlacing issues. Because of this, we can't see the letters on the synth which is a pity because then we don't know what's being done... Maybe the vid can be rendered again or maybe some settings on the camera were wrong?
hmm, thats very odd, It didnt disply those issues on the check we did here. Sorry about that
Luckily your excellent review is only really affected by this in the beginning of the vid, when you turn the knobs. Thanks for all the great reviews and previews! :-)
Nice review and demo
Do the knobs send CC? I’m looking for an affordable synth that can double as a knobby midi controller
First thing I'd do with this unit is black out the top of the knobs and put a big line or arrow on the top indicating the setting. That blink is ridiculously non-ergonomic.
I love it!!!! Sounds GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Depeche Mode / Vince Clarke style sequence was AWESOME!! @ 14:22
I see you on every single synth video on youtube and I'VE SEEN THEM ALL! Anyway yeh this has more than a bit of Vincey going for it, must stop gassing >,
SynthgodXXX yeah sounded a bit like new life by depeche
I thought it had a Devo thing going on in it as well.
Sounds to me more like "The Price of Love" an very early DM Song!
It's a synth in a similar price category/feature set. Slightly cheaper than the new SE02 and the form factor is a little larger so it might be easier to get around. Sounds good and has similar scope as this thing here.
Catch up mode on knobs is not usually available on analog. To do so you would have to put a digital interface between the knob and the circuit. Several things that you mentioned in the review as lacking would be easy to do on. digital VA but difficult or expensive on an analog such as this.
Electric Hillbilly KORG did it on the Minilogue.
I'm really hoping you'll get a chance to review the MFB Dominion Club, Nick!
So who’s making the best midi editor for it
Awesome! Please do some more se-02 videos
The knobs are not sturdy enough or no?
not the slightest bit interested still watched the whole thing coz nick is the synth god and had to pay my respect's
Smart guy I wouldn't use that peice of crap to wedge my door open with
i can see when you touch the knobs they moove quite alot.... do they feel robust or heavy build?
Has anyone tried it? How snappy are the envelopes?
Your tutorials and run throughs are excellent! If you could wear a lab caot... the imagery would be awesome!
Wow 26:00 , I know lots of people will often point to a sound and say "woah! boc!" but that patch right there was so boc damn
About time Roland.. finally
Can I transpose the sequencer using a midi keyboard or the extra Roland Dock keyboard? Help!