She will be greatly missed in Tennis. I don’t think anybody did what she did at such a young age. She changed the game by how she played. One of the greats of all time. 9 gran slam titles before 20. It’s just very sad that she was robbed of her tennis career like that.
She won 8. Sorry for that mistake. She would have won another 20 if it was not for the stabbing. And yes. She did change the game in her style of play.
Cancer is mostly caused by lifestyle. sometimes bad genes can make some people more succectable to cancer. I like to eat healthy to prevent myself from getting it. To prevent cancer you can follow the accronym NEW START. nutrition,exercise, water, sunlight,temperance ,air,rest,trust in God. Cancer prevention. Monica had a disorder because she was stabbed and she actually won a gran slam title being over weight after her comeback. She would have won 30 gran slams if she was not stabbed.
@Max E We all know you gave false stats in another Graf-Seles video purposely. Tell me the source of this stat. Also, according to Wikipedia, "from January 1991 through February 1993, Seles won 22 titles and reached 33 finals out of the 34 tournaments she played. She compiled a 159-12 win-loss record (92.9% winning percentage), including a 55-1 win-loss record (98%) in Grand Slam tournaments", so before Seles got stabbed by a Graf fan, she won 7 out of 8 GS she played in. Seles clearly had Graf's number and was on a roll for a 2-year plus period.
@Max E Yeah, except that Seles won every GS from the start of 1991 to 1993 AO except for Wimbledon 1991 (Seles did not play) and 1992 (Seles was all of a sudden not allowed to grunt), while Graf either got beaten by Seles in the final (FO 92 & AO 93) or did not even make it to the final. Not sure if this is not having Graf's number, what is. Federer also looked unbeatable until Nadal entered his sight, and it was the same with Graf and Seles.
I don't think Richard modelled his daughters game on Monica's...since his daughters were strong and athletic it's pretty obvious that they should be playing to their strength rather than trying to be ''crafty''! The only thing they've in common is the aggressive style, their forehands and backhands are totally different!
Illya Kuryakin you can pattern a style without being clone. Monica hit hard off both sides she kind of brought in the modern women’s game. Mary Carrillo called it “Big Babe Tennis”
@Illya Kuryakin Serena and Venus idolized Monica when they were young...they both watched Monica beat the crap out of Steffi.😀 Sharapova as well as many other players idolized her as well. I actually looked up the year end computer rankings in 1991. 1)Monica Seles 4400 points 2)Steffi Graf 3200 points A Whopping 1200 points ahead! This doesn't even count Monica's 1992 Aussie, French, US Open championships..as well as 1993 Aussie Open for Monica. Monica was so far ahead of Steffi.....Steffi was not even close. It's no wonder Steffi had horrible temper tantrums and angry outbursts after her Grand Slam losses to Monica. I like Steffi but Monica was the undisputed Queen Of Tennis at that time. Merry Christmas!😀
Grande, grandissima Monica Seles! Provo, a distanza di anni, le stesse emozioni seguendo i tuoi incontri! Grandissima tennista, bellissima persona, dentro e fuori, onesta e leale. Senza pari, e soprattutto, senza la boria che si nota in tante altre. Un ringraziamento particolare a chi ha caricato quest'incontro, che ricordi, mia mamma ed io, a seguirlo tanti, troppi anni addietro. ❤
The most beautiful thing about tennis is the beautiful smile of Monika Seles, who one day was taken from her by a criminal ... that one and her desire to win.
Stefi would never made a record 377 weeks no1 without knife . That was the only way to stop monica , plus she won 8 slams like a teenager, she could end her carer with 30 plus slams. But all that records you stoled from her , Novak will return to our country .
@@user-tv5yz2gi7b a mistake about incident, is put Steffi Graff like "The Criminal". Maybe , probably without an incident Seles should win a lot of tittles and do it hard to Graf next years.. but i see like both players had potencial still to win a lot of slams, anyway If it happens and having a big challenge player on court maybe Graf too no had leave and retired with 30 years; and maybe she had played until 38 playing hard against seles and winning a lot of tournaments with this years over, fact that Seles maybe became top player of all times, we never going to know.. but again If a crazy fan Of Graf trying to kill a player its not your fault. However if police know something else maybe i change my opinion.
8 GS titles at 19 with 3 more chances before her 20th birthday. Will never be duplicated. Also, Monica won her first 36 matches at the Australian, which is a better unbeaten streak than Nadal at the French!
Of Monica Seles' phenomenal records, these will never be broken: winning her first 6 GS finals and winning 8 GS titles as a teenager. She also won her very first pro final, ever, 1989 Houston, over someone you may have heard of, Chris Evert, and won her first 33 matches at the AO before the streak ended.. All of these bode well for the argument that she would have/should have been the best women's player ever!! Even Serena, Graf, Evert, Navratilova, and Court are no match for Seles' early career. Oh, what might have been!
This match is Vintage Seles. Even though she lost the first set to Graf, you can see Monica raising her game and level of play in the last two sets. This clip alone shows Monica going more for the lines and hitting many out of the airshots for winners. Another good example about this match is you can see how Seles can hurt the Graf forehand on the run, esp from Monica's powerful backhand side, something she was not able to do with frequency after she came back in 95. With all the talk about "what if" "what could've", I do think Monica waited a year too long to come back on tour. She was also out of shape, something that contributed to many of her unexpected losses. Love Monica and what she has done for the game. Today she looks like a fit, contented woman.
Being out of shape was the main reason. And the stabbing trauma which probably caused her father's demise being the reasons for her eating disorder. You can clearly see the huge difference in her footwork and movement on court from before and after the stabbing. Before she's right up there with Graf on how well she sprung around the court. She wouldn't be able to be that effective double handed on both sides without the movement which proved true on he after stabbing comeback.
One of the effects of bereavement is mental disorganisation. Seles had to wait until her mind was clear. Coming after only 2 years with 2 such major shocks demonstrates considerable will and personality.
Love that lethal crosscourt backhand slice by Steffi at 23:37, and then Monica follows it up next point with a powerful crosscourt backhand. Such a great rivalry that could have been potentially the best in sport history. Yeah, no doubt Steffi had some great opposition in Sanchez Vicario and other girls, but no, this here was the rivalry. There was something intense and feeling when these two always met, and it was a loss for sport it never developed into what it should have.
wrong! this match proves there would have been no rivalry only domination by seles. this was the first match where seles outaced graf in a match, seles was now entering her prime and was no longer the skinny weak girl graf could overpower, most of grafs wins over seles came in 89 when seles was only 15
What nonsense. This match was close like most other Seles-Graf encounters, except on grass where Graf was much better. This had all ingredients of a great rivalry , where the pendulum swings back and forth between two great champions.
It was really nice to see how Monica played very strategically against Steffi. Normally Monica played very much with power and groundstrokes against others. Against Steffi she played very strategically and never gave up. Steffi on the other hand was more athletic than Monica. She also had the power to handle Monica. But Seles mind was sharper and she kept surprising Steffi with her serves and shot directions. She kept attacking Steffi. I wish the rivalry could take its natural course.
It is similar to Nadal versus Federer: the Spaniard has adequately the strategic game and mental power to win the Swiss. But lucky Nadal: he has never been stabbed.
@@samofbeach By that rational maybe Steffi would have found a way to beat Nadal in later years, just as the Swiss Maestro was beating Nadal consistently in the latter years. If only had changed his racket earlier in his career…
Monica Seles was my favourite woman tennis player of all time, just the epitome of grit, fire determination, and talent. If she wouldn't have been stabbed in 1993 at the prime of her career, she well could have matched Steffi, and Serena Williams for most grand slam titles. The best 3 women players over the last 50 - 60 years, in no particular order, were Graff. Williams, and Seles, and they all would have taken matches from each other, and it's impossible to say who'd com out on top. They were all great, however I think Seles is a little underrated, as her career was cut short by being stabbed in 1993, in her prime by a Steffi Graff fan in Hamburg Germany.
I really love the way Seles play. The word that best describes her style of play is "relentless". I kinda see similarities between Graf-Seles matchups and Federer-Nadal. Both Fed and Graf have that slice backhand and powerful forehand and both Seles and Nadal are relentless, few mistakes. Seles didn't move that great though. But yeah the stabbing really robbed of us of an epic rivalry - coulda been like the Evert-Navratilova rivalry perhaps.
Monica was incredible here and she was only 19 years old. As great as Steffi was in this final, she was no match for Monica's superior groundstrokes and mental toughness.
+Illya Kuryakin I am a fan of Steffi but even Steffi admitted in her post match interview that Monica was a better player..especially during Grand Slams. Let's not forget that Monica was only going to get better. She had only been playing professionally for only a few years.
joe well said... they dnt understand both were great , seles sufffered fr something unnatural thats what makes her case sad and espcially more as she won most slams ever ,in 19 yr age...
Shalom Aaron ve shavua tov. Steffi beat Monica 3 times out of 4 in 91-92, when Monica was number one. When Monica came back, she was just 21, and totally healed. She won the 96 AO. Why couldn't she beat Steffi more often ?
i really dont think Steffi had antything to do with it BUT she did come across as quite cold. Monica Seles is a peaceful spirit who was treated very badly by the WTA...but she still has 9 Grandslams so she did bloody good all the same !
sorry but even Monica implies she was rather a distant person......FACT: Steffi Graf benefitted from what happened to Minica Seles in 1993. She got about 7 years benefits
Steffi was a charmless person, imo. She came across as cold, and completely self-absorbed. Don't think I ever saw her smile. She visited Monica once, in the hospital, and that was it. Seles mastered her, before that terrible stabbing, and I believe she wd have won double the 9 GS titles she has.
I'm turco-greek, living in Belgium... When i was 6-7 i was so impressed by Yougoslavia players. And Still now, you know Croatia, Serbia, Slovaquia, Slovenia, Montenegro, Czeka republica etc... In football that was terrible i remember. But I didn't Know Monica was from Yougoslavia. And i m not surprise now. Respect.
I love Monica Seles, both uses two handed in forehand and backhand, which is very unusual to see, she has the same style with Marion Bartolli of France but different in handedness when they serve..The only problem with Monica is that she's slower around the court..Her movements are not quite good but her focus, anticipation, peripheral vision and smartness made her comfortable..Very intelligent tennis player that I've seen..love you Monica..
Seles is such a fighter and I respect that about her!!! She was basically the only one who could take down Graf during their Era, if that stabbing wouldn't of happened, I doubt Graf would of had the amount of Grand Slams, she would of had to share them with Seles. :)
Monika,nema ti ravne,svaka cast!!Do tada neviden tvoj stil igre,tvoja borbenost,tvoj talenat.Jasno je i najvecoj budali zasto se desio incident u Hamburgu,sve si kosila pred sobom a mnogima to nije odgovaralo...Morali su naci nacina kako to cudo od djeteta zaustaviti...Tvoj comeback je dokaz tvoje borbenosti i ljubavi prema Tenisu..Za mnoge a i za mene ,najbolja svih vremena,Monika Seles !!
@Illya Kuryakin Dann laß es sein!Wie war das letzte mal als du sagtest ALLE Deutschen sein G.Parche...und ich sagte ALLE niemals...Habe gewettet das der erste Kommentar vom Ukrainischem Günter sein wird,hat nicht lange gedauert...Thanks...
@Illya Kuryakin Ich spreche auch kein serbisch u.war auch nie in diesem Land,finde aber das die (Yugos)so hast du sie letztens gennant,viel mehr Ahnung vom Tennis haben als ihr Ukrainer.Was die Weltrangliste Jahrelang auch bestätigt!Please,go away,no one is interested in your hate...
The rally at 4:25 is vintage Seles. Locking Graf in a corner with crazy angles and finishing with a down the line killer. Her gameplan in this match was perfect.
Graf was a phenomenal champion and probably one of the 2 or 3 greatest athletes to play tennis. But anybody who doesn't think her record has a great big asterisk next to it is deluded. When Seles returned she wasn't even half the player she was before. First, physically and second, mentally. Wilt Chamberlin said she was the fiercest competitor he had ever seen in any sport.
Math Lover steffi won 9 slams very fast.. bt frm 9 to 11 slams..it ws a long journey... seles was stabbed at her absolute peak....and when a 19 yr old has life threatning attack ..its psychologicalimpact cant be seen frm outside..and also greaf was losing most of slam finals to seles... 3-1 that time. these all point towards difficult slam journey fr graf post 11 slams...she would win wimbledon a few times , us open one/ twice at max and maybe an odd ao or fo l maybe.. so it dsnt look to go beyond 11+3+2+1 =17 to 18 acc to me... 22 ?? how ,without hamburg? she would still remain great graf.. 18 means evert,navratilova,graf at par.... but this hamburg incident changed thencourse of tennis history... how much seles would win..my god difficult... 8slamsat 19 .. 3 slams each for 2 yrs.. even if she played till 30 .. that is another 11 years , only 1 slam a yr frm there also takes hed to 8+11 = 19...atleast..gosh...
you can't just assume what would have been. You're using a backwards sort of logic. We have reality, a reality in which Seles was attacked and failed to return to tour at her previous level. We also have a reality in which Graf was dominant virtually throughout her ENTIRE career, before and after Seles. What we don't have is any concrete basis to assume that Seles would have automatically dominated had she not gotten attacked. While it may be LIKELY, it's not a given. It's safe to say Graf was fairly bad in the 90-93 period in comparison to the rest of her career, and in that period she lost to many players besides Seles. Long story short: Graf's career isn't asteriked because we can't assume what would have been in a different life. We don't KNOW if Seles would have maintained her level, and it's quite possible that Seles was an early bloomer who was going to fizzle out at a younger rate than others. What should be asteriked is Seles's career, not Graf's. Seles arguably would have won more, yes, but we can't assume how Graf would have performed moving forward, especially when post 93 it's commonly agreed that Graf improved back to a peak level
Exactly. Serena's the female goat because her success didn't have ANY asterisks. Steffi was getting dominated by Monica before she was stabbed, Navratilova had Evert who was competing closely against her (and the time was very uncompetitive and less powerful). Serena's battled every possible injury and adversity and has played in the toughest eras in tennis yet somehow come on top every time. That said, Steffi and Seles in my opinion in terms of peak playing level are top 4 easily. Not sure if Navratilova or Venus belongs there in terms of talent.
What Graf fans fail to understand is that Monica was starting to beat Steffi consistently in GRAF'S prime. Monica had just turned nineteen the month before this match, and she was already closing in on Graf's GS total (11 to Monica's 8 after this match). Monica was just starting to develop other aspects of her game (her serve, especially--look at the total number of aces during this match, 7 for Monica and only 1 for Steffi). Monica's prime was still a couple of years away. By that time should would have had 12+ major titles, at least! Even if Monica hadn't been stabbed, I concede that winning Wimbledon would have been a tough feat, but she would have made a couple more semifinals and at least one or two more finals. Even so, no one can dispute that she OWNED the other three majors, particularly the AO and the FO. Is it really so far fetched that Monica would have won 6-7 AOs, 6-7 FOs, and 4-5 USOs??? This would have put her in the range of Evert and Navratilova. No way Steffi wins another 11 after this match with Monica at full strength. She could barely get be the other top players of the era.
***** Seles "destroyed" so much Graf that she lost 6/0 6/1 in 1989 and 6/2 6/1 in 1992 against Graf. Are you sure that you know what destruction means? And please stop with the "what if's" and stop insulting people.
Graf's prime wasn't the 90's, it was the 80's when she won 9 GS titles between 1987-1990. Without the stabbing Graf would have still won all the W titles (cause Seles sucked on Gras)... they would have split some of the FO titles, while Seles would have won more AO titles (probably all of them from 1991-1996 or so) while Graf would have taken some of the USO titles. They would both have had 14-16 GS titles. The difference is that as a Graf fan I can see both sides of this debade bc I am reasonable. The Seles extremists claim Graf ordered an assassination or was mean towards Seles after the stabbing which has been proven wrong countless of times. Either way, Steffi was more successful and just for the sting of it, i am mentioning this here bc all the vile crap those Seles lovers said is pretty special-needs mental.
Amazingly, Seles at this point was still growing taller (!) and getting better. Developing a bigger serve. Hitting harder and deeper than before. Thinking even more brutally on court as far as point construction. Frightening to imagine. This match exemplified her growing powers. Steffi was already a pure legend and surely the greatest natural athlete, most fluid athlete, in the history of the game. (Steffi could have been an Olympic-level sprinter, I am convinced.) But she found her proper foil in Seles, whose quirky, somewhat unorthodox style and killer instinct matched Steffi’s, and whose bombs off both wings were relentless. Steffi is still one of the three or four greatest I have ever seen play, but Seles had definitely supplanted her at the top and it’s a tragedy that this great rivalry was prevented from continuing under normal circumstances for both women. I think there’s only a very *tiny* asterisk that should be placed next to Graf’s record, but an asterisk just the same. Not her fault, either. Two astonishing yet star-crossed champions.
more than a tiny asterisk. she would of never won 22 slams if Seles wasn't stabbed. 91 and 92 she won 3 slams each year 93 she was on the way to a grand slam. its so sad
*****, pay attention: I've deleted message from you including in this topic because offenses are not admitted here too. And just for being CLEARER: Seles was better than Graf like a teenager tennis player, despite both were number one at 17 years and few months. Seles in a shorter period of 4 years (15 yo and a half to 19 yo and a half) got in GS: 8 titles and 1 r.u., and in Masters: 3 titles and no r.u. Graf in a larger period of 6.5 years (13 yo and a half to 20 yo) got in GS: 6 titles and 3 r.u., and in Masters: 2 titles and 1 r.u. So, the most appropriate comparison between successful teenagers careers should be done between Seles (8 GS and 1 r.u.) and Connolly (9 GS and no r.u.).
*****, it is given above an enough explanation for my initial statement. Once you persistently ignore my advices and insist in using offensive adjetives, verbs and nouns, I withdraw your messages without addicional justifications.
she was my idol growing up playing tennis....now i play two handed both forehand and backhand due to her! love her! thanks Monica, you changed tennis game for the better, if only the stabbing had never happened you would have been be the one getting most of the slams not Steffi....let's hope that no more super crazy fans of any player would have the chance again to do what that Steffi Graf's fans did to you.... best of luck, Monica!
***** you pity her, and why is that? And please have an explanation regarding her, not her fans. Because if you use her fans as a reason why you pity her, then that is really sad on your part. This is about Monica, and that is the only reason why you have chosen to say nasty things about her. Of its truly her fans that have caused you to say hateful nasty things about Monica, then that says a lot about you just as it does them. So once again, why do you pity Monica?
Are you joking me? That right there proves to me you are a total freak. Yes, I called you a name. But that kind of comment is ludicrous, what a freaking loser you are mr. Gunther Parche. Please stay away from Serena, because she doesn't deserve to be stabbed just because she will be considered the greatest play of all time now. - and I actually want to thank you now, because before i couldn't help myself in replying to your hateful remarks towards Monica, but now i finally realize you are just LOST. You are a lost soul and there is no reason to even engage you in conversation. Goodbye, everyone see's your ridiculous ludicrous comments (and the only other person who makes these type of comments regarding Monica is that George guy, who I actually think is truly the same person as you), so I will not let myself ever be baited by your hateful remarks towards Monica and actually think that you could be reasoned with.......and guess what....Serena will be considered the Greatest. Sorry, I know that hurts.
Saying that beeing a German. Beetween 1990 and 1993 Monica was clearly better than Steffi and in the years to follow she would be such superior to Steffi that Steffi would ve retire in frustration early. (if the disgusting crime on Monica wouldnt had happened) She has been just 20 years old and still had so much development before her. She is the best woman tennis player of all time period.
Everybody is having their peak time... Monica also same... Steffi also had her Peak time & loss... finally whoever is maintaining their superiority always ... they are real champion...that is Steffi ..
Nice video quality even if its an old match, a little problem with the sounds but its fine... well that is why most of the player on WTA admired Monica more. she is a class player and not arrogant especially towards player on the other side of the net... she is not the GOAT yes because of her misfortune but nevertheless she is admired in and out of the tennis court...
I think it was due to her beginning the GRUNT AND SCREAM craze plus her ridiculous cover up stories for missing Wimbledon and the stupid stories about having mysterious illnesses or being pregnant. She was unpopular everywhere with the crowds.
She was well on her way to being the GOAT. Were it not for that unfortunate incident, I truly believe it would’ve been Monica and not Graf in the discussion for the GOAT 🐐, of course before the arrival of Serena. Monica would’ve won between 15-18 Majors and no way would Steffi had 22, she just wouldn’t because Monica clearly had her number everywhere except for Wimbledon. Between ‘91 AO to ‘93 AO (9 Major tournaments) Monica played 8, made the final of those 8 and won 7! That was incredible domination! But it wasn’t meant to be. She still had an extraordinary career!
Ilya Kuryakin Serena Williams would destroy graf, so would Naomi osaka. Justin henin would beat that ugly faced graf too. Seles was a clear step above graf when that deranged graf fan, just like you, stabbed seles. Your horse faced heroine was the beneficiary of a criminal.
@@seanjames1967 Mostly not. Only in 2 of 7 matches, as I said. She is the most dominated #1 player in the history of the game. Has several other negative records for a #1 (worst slam final loss, losses to youngest and oldest player). I think those records will never be broken. All that is clear sign that she didn’t belong there. Under normal circumstances she would have been a solid #2.
2:37 Steffi saw the serve out but didnt have any challenges remaining. You wonder how Tennis history would have changed had hawkeye been in place decades ago
Quello che non dimenticherò mai comunque fu la classe e lo stile del padre di monica seles che applaudi la sabatini che aveva appena battuto la figlia....un gesto incredibile...un grande signore....la perdita del padre ha rotto per sempre l'equilibrio della seles
if Yugoslavia hadn't broken apart, it would be one of the most successful sports nations in the world, especially in ball sports, water polo, tennis, soccer, handball, basketball etcetera. Serbia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Montenegro, Macedonia. just a few examples tennis Djokovic, Seles Soccer Mijatovic, Savicevic, Mihajlovic,Stojkovic, Ibrahimovic, Modric, Suker, basketball Divac, Danilovic, Kukoc, Jokic, Doncic And these are just a few of many... Too bad and sad that this beautiful Yugoslavia does not exist a very talented nation, which did not suit the west, because the ones from the east were always better athletes see currently the Djokovic case
Monica vs Steffi on groundstrokes: Steffi: odd forehand, often very late point of contact, backhand non weapon, no one would ever try to replicate her style Monica: compact, contact point always in front, both sides major weapons capable of hitting winners from most parts of the court, a generation of women modeled their games after the way Monica hit the ball Monica wins.
+Illya Kuryakin you don't get the point fanboy, he's speaking about the legacy in terms of play style. And he's right about that, no one plays anymore like grafs whit this slice backhand, and now a lot of women have this agressive style from the baseline (sharapova serena azarenka stosur... and a lot more.) So just stop to copy and paste every damn time the graf's achievements for every comment that piss you off, and read properly what he wrote, you butt hurt fanboy
Well that style wouldn't hold up in today's game because the ball comes at you so fast now, it's harder to make those shots with the speed the ball is coming at you and you can't just make those kids of shots without them being severely punished.
***** No the game is way way faster than it was then.. The players hit the ball much harder and power is more of a feature. Seles was considered a hard hitter in those days but these days she'd be considered to hit the ball at an average pace. When the ball comes at you harder it's more difficult to hit those kinds of shots and when you do, the player at the other end has the power to destroy them. Anyway Steffi spent a lot of time trying not to hit her backhand- so when the power hitters came along she she couldn't run to the forehand and had to play her weaker side.
De hecho estefi fue mucho mejor tenista los números hablan por si mismo seles 9 títulos de gran slam y estefi 22 títulos de gran slam no hay comparación mil veces mas ganadora la alemana
@@unchulodeesquinapatoduck8376 , es que Mónica no pudo lograr con sus 17 años lo que había logrado la alemana con sus 25 años...Seles recién comenzaba, eso no se puede comparar. Si no le hubiese pasado lo que le pasó, hubiese arrasado con todo y tendría más títulos que la alemana, pues esta última terminó perdiendo su puesto y eso es doloroso
Seles exposed Graf's weaknesses in her game. That WEAK BACKHAND and HITTING that FOREHAND LATE! She got away with it with lesser players like Sabatini, Sanchez Vicario, etc but not with Seles who consistently hits hard on BOTH WINGS! Thats why she ousted and overpowered Graf as the top ranked player. Graf was a great player but made greater than what she actually was due to the stabbing of the true#1 player!
@Max E poor steffi😂😂😂 monica robbed her ☹ the fact is that from 1993 , steffi was literally crushed by Monica, as you can see from this video. The only way for steffi to stop monica was to...you know...
After this final Steffi Graf broke racquets in the locker and was very violent. She kicked benches. Her family was called in to escort her out. She was angry which also scared Seles very much. This was the hint. Steffi was sobbing and saying that she cannot win another grand slam if Monica keeps playing like this. She just didn´t want to play anymore. Later her father hired Gunther Parche. Steffi didn´t need to do that. She should have kept playing. Federer never wanted to kill Nadal, or Nadal never wanted to kill Djokovic.
i remember hearing that from a commentator and reading it too. I dont know about Fed and Nadal or Nadal and Nole killing each other. They are friends outside tennis and have respect for each other.
GeorgeHenryThomas Is that the best you've got? youre nothing but a TROLL hater, that is what you are. Again, Graf 22 slams will ALWAYS be tainted as: ' IN MONICA SELES ABSENCE". get a life, hitler ! you will never win against me.
Emending my statement: remembering this game by watching it on UA-cam, it is emphatic how Seles dominates her opponent's backhand, how she takes by surprise her adversary's forehand and how she exploites her rival's devolution, until the moment that Graf gets desparate in some moments of the third set.
Seles was better than Graf. Between spring 90 and spring 93, multiple Major throphies in series for Seles. In the same period: 2 Grand slam titles for Graf. Says it all.
I think the thing with Seles is that over that 3 year period she was getting better and better not just staying the same. At an accelerated pace. And the tournaments were becoming more and more dominated by her. The others won more over a period of time against Navratilova or Serena, but not in the same way.
I didn't realize I was comparing Seles to herself, but comparing her to Austin/Navratilova etc. etc. which you mentioned. 1992 was a year she won all grand slams and went to the finals of Wimbledon. Then she one the first grand slam of the year at the Australian before being stabbed. In 1990 Seles won the French and...oh, right, no other grand slam. In 1991 she won the Aussie, French and US open. In 1992 She won all and made the finals of Wimbledon. She started beating Graf in the Grand Slams. Twice at the French and then the Aussie open. So she was getting stronger. Overall match percentages don't really tell the story. There are too many variables; i.e., sickness, skipping tournaments, playing less etc. What matters is that she was killing at the Grand Slams. The others you mentioned were not. Even Navratilova said that if she did not get stabbed she very well could have been the greatest player of all time. But what does Navratilova know. lol
Seles was easily the better player from 1990-1993 that's why the germans had to stab her.Seles would have won 25 Slams had she not been stabbed and i think Steffi would of maybe won 13 Slams.I'm just glad i was able to watch these great matches in the early 90's when i was in my 20's.
Well Graf played badly during part of Seles' peak, and actually kept losing before reaching the semis or finals to other players (not Seles). As she started to regain her peak (late 1992, early 1993), Seles got stabbed shortly afterwards.
I remember this match very well. In 1992/1993 Monica had become more powerful than the previous three years in which Steffi had managed to beat her (except in 1990 ). That year, Steffi had not yet found nor developed the right strategy to beat Monica (except on grass where her game was superior). Monica's game was much more efficient than Steffi on rebound ace surface. Then, between 95 and 99, Steffi played Monica in a different way using her short crossed sliced backhand very successfully. If Steffi could have served even harder and used her top spin backhand down the line more often - like Roger Federer does-, very few players would have beaten her.
She gave steffi a big warning, we can see that steffi is slightly scared. Monica a real fighter a big winner. BRAVO MONICA but sad what will happen 3 months later.
Notice how back then, after a match, even after winning a grand slam final, there was little to no on court celebration by the winner... usually just a simple wave and acknowledgement of the crowd's applause. Nowadays, you win a set in the first round of any tournament, some of the players set off fireworks, ring bells and blow trumpets
I am always surprised by the aggressive attitude of Monica Seles's fans against Steffi Graf. What's the point blaming Graf for that horrible act in Hamburg? Graf explained on and on how she was horrified and she felt sorry for Seles when she visited her at the hospital. Seles's fans are always considering a possible different future with "and IF... and IF..." The fact of the matter is they were both great champions. You have to respect both of them. Seles was better on rebound ace surfaces like in the AO : she would beat Graf in 93 and again in 99. On clay, Seles and Graf had equal results (Seles won the FO in 90 and 92 and Graf won in 89 and 99) and at the US Open and Wimbledon, Seles could never beat Graf. Remember how Seles was destroyed by Graf on grass : 6/0 6/1 and 6/2 6/1... Facts, only facts. Respect for both of them and that's it!
So sad...who would have thought that this would be the last Grand Slam Seles would be in her prime :( I don't consider Steffi as The G.O.A.T. To me the all time list looks more like: 1.Serena Williams 2.Martina Navratilova 3.Chris Evert 4.Monica Sels 5.Steffi Graf 6.Margaret Court. A fair estimate (without that horrible stabbing) combined with their great rivalry would be Seles on 17-18 and Graf on 16-17 slams.
+Illya Kuryakin most of grafs wins were during their early meeting and after she got stabbed. but from from a period bet '91 to early '93, steffi was getting her (tight) ass handed back to her by Seles
Total domination. Superior in every single department (except that Seles was NOT at her best, hitting a lot of unforced errors....). I felt bad for Steffi, how she totally fell apart towards the end of this match, and at the press conference, where she deteriorated into a sobbing shaking incoherent total "mess", by her own words.... And look at Seles and her family.....Confident, always gracious, always congratulating the Graf family, win or lose. A study in contrast.
@Illya Kuryakin Its not my fault, don't get upset and call people names, Fraulein.....Watch the press conference! STEFFI IS A MESS! SHE LOOKS LIKE A NUT! ua-cam.com/video/NuhOfZrkBuA/v-deo.html
Steffi Graf, SOBBING after her loss to MONICA SELES at the Australian Open 1993..... www.agefotostock.com/age/en/Stock-Images/Rights-Managed/PAH-2666834
@Illya Kuryakin AAAAWWWWW....Someone is getting ANGRY! Stop the name calling, Haus Frau..... you asked for evidence, and here it is... I repeat: STEFFI GRAF SOBBING after her LOSS TO MONICA SELES at the 1993 Aussie Open.... www.alamy.com/stock-photo-tennis-player-steffi-graf-cries-after-the-loss-of-the-australian-open-59948106.html
***** Graf would've never won 22 slams if Seles had not been stabbed. Both of them may have won around 15 slams without the stabbing. Seles was clearly the dominant player in the early 90s. And this is coming from a Graf supporter.
Questo match esprime alla perfezione la differenza abissale di gioco e di controllo di ogni scambio fra Monica e quella mandante di pugnalate...erano entrambi al loro apice, al loro massimo livello di gioco, eppure Monica l'ha regolata sfondandola più volte pure sul dritto...gli angoli di questa Monica, il suo rovescio e la sua grinta rimarranno eternamente indelebili...numero #1 per sempre!
after this match was over, graf was interview and was asked what she will do to beat seles, she said: between the very best tennis of me and seles, seles wins hands down. And I think, if seles was not stabbed, graf slams may only be half, like between 10, 11 or 12, while seles slams are probably around 15. Graf consistent rivals in slams are Sanchez Vicario and Seles. After the stabbing, seles was never the same. Graf 22 slams will ALWAYS be tainted as: ' IN MONICA SELES ABSENCE"
an angry, bitter, in denial, pissed off grafiti fan. I have the tape from back in the day, and wont play it for you, that would be your lost. Im neither a fan of both, just stating the facts. Must be really hard to accept the fact that your player cant win until her opponent get stab. GET OVER IT ! I will repeat.....**** IN SELES ABSENCE ******
slumnote Its hard to understand and ..to fathom that Seles has to postpone because of the stabbing..i myself still considered very well that stabbing was so fullllll of dirty trick...its not coincidental even...SOMEONE HAVE TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY ABOUT THIS..Im not said that i hate Graf..no..she just fine..but this Stabbing was so...hard to understand..
Graf already had 11 slams before Seles was stabbed and you say maybe only 10 slams which is less than she already had, LOL! Seles nutters in their stellar form as always.
slumnote WHAT are you talking about?? Steffi had alreay 11 slams when Monica was stabbed. So you say Steffi should have given back one of her trophies and not win a SINGLE ONE any more?
Bryguy Bry Seles was just performing better at GS tournaments, except Wimbledon. A number one Seles couldn’t dominate Graf, it was 3-2 for the great Graf. Seles has “zero” Wimbledon title and she couldn’t emulate Graf’s Golden Slam achievement in ‘88 even when she was number one. Pre stabbing, Graf leads head to head against Seles 6-4. Overall, it was 10-5 for the greatest female tennis player, Steffi Graf. 😀👍
You play far better when you have very good and similar strong opponents. You have to play better - so the opponent plays better, which is why you have to play better. it's like a rising circle. I think that these two legendary tennis players would have shown some unforgotten matches....only if this fucking bastard didn't have stabbed seles. respect to both of them Seles and Graf. unforgotten.
Every Generation 1 or 2 players rise up to the top of the game be it lendl-Mcenroe, Sampras-Aggasi, Nadal-Federer-Djokovic, Evert-Navritolova and the list goes on. In her short career Monica Seles, by the time she got stabbed defeated Steffi Graf 3 out of 4 consecutive slams the last one being this slam. She was clearly going to outshine Steffi and was only 20 years old with time to improve even more when she was stabbed. Imagine Federer without a djokovic or Nadal...how many slams did those 2 stop federer from winning? What do you think would happen if Djokovic or nadal were taken out of the picture. The rivalry of her generation was taken out of the picture and she collected slams like souvenirs..ofcourse i have nothing against Steffi he was a great player but greatest of all time at that point...i dont think so... she would surely not have reached 22 slams has seles been around surely you see that
@Illya Kuryakin Seles stabbing predates her binge eating disorder...people may say it wasnt related but it was. If someone hold a gun at one's face he may get nightmare for years and affects a person psychologically indefinitely. Getting stabbed is a huge deal, eating disorder is the least i expect as a result of it. As far as death of father is concerned tennis players have lost loved ones before it didnt end their careers why should this be any different, Djokovic didnt have a winning record against federer till very recently...a few years ago federer was ahead..now a 40 year old federer has a losing record big deal. With career this long looking at h2h is the wrong way to go. Nadal has a winning h2h because of clay he leads federer 14-2 and that is where the difference has come..djokovic might have fared slightly better but it remained lopsided in nadal's favor on clay
@Illya Kuryakin sometimes it is a wake up call for people to get their act together when someone close dies...sometimes it is a reality check...peter Carter may not be a father to federer but surely was a father figure..he said his death was a major reason he started to work harder become a better professional to honor him....people have careers...aged mothers and fathers die..no one stops living no one stops thier careers in sports or otherwise..it is the circle of life and everyone accepts it.. Monica was a major hurdle stopping her grandslam run 3 out of 4 times and she was just getting started in her career..she was proving to be better than steffi graf..why in the world do u think a german man stabed her....he wasnt a lover or a stalker..he was simply patriotic and he knew what monica's removal would mean....22 slams At the time monica was stabbed she had won 8 slams compared to 5 of graf despite graf being at the top before seles came in..Monica had also won 3 back to back WTA FINALS compared to 1 by Graf. So you see where this was going...The rest are excuses
@Illya Kuryakin And you pick out any of the players you mention at their peaks and pair them...none of them would have gone on to win 22 slams. ..as i said each player you mentioned was part of a rivalry except serena williams..there was really something lacking in women's tennis during Serena Williams peak...that is why an Old semi retired Kim Clisters went onto beat Serena in the US open at the peak of her powers. Weak era dominated. But that is a topic for another time.
@Illya Kuryakin Court won 13 Grand Slams before open era...a lot of players werent playing...again Billie Jean and Court met in Grandslams only 3 times to my knowledge so not much of a slam h2h. Graf as i mentioned didnot have a quality rival after Monica Seles got stabbed...im not going to repeat myself again...Monica was a better player look at the stats i have been quoting...before the stabbing Monica had won 8 slams compared to graf's 5 and won 3 wTA back to back stopping graf 3 out of 4 times in slams during that time. The stats speak for themselves..but if you wanna deny the stats and believe something because you want to believe it then i can never beat that.
@Illya Kuryakin my dear there was no peak monica she didnt hit peak cuz she was only 3 years at top level after winning her first Grandslam...say if federer was stabbed in 2005 2006...there is no excuse or justification...u can keep throwing stats at me the fact it before she was stabbed she was stopping steffi at almost every major tournament..what steffi did in a 10 year period after tht is not in question here
I would so really appreciate if you (oArEZo, or anyone who has this very good quality High Definition match) could please upload the full match from the start til the end as this one only started from the second set. Thank you so very much
Oh boy 19 years and 2 months old AND already 8 grand Slams she was the real Goat!!!
@Max E at that moment It was 3-1 in Grand Slam Finals those are the important matches
😂 sure sure
She will be greatly missed in Tennis. I don’t think anybody did what she did at such a young age. She changed the game by how she played. One of the greats of all time. 9 gran slam titles before 20. It’s just very sad that she was robbed of her tennis career like that.
@Illya Kuryakin Then why did Williams say that Seles is her idol?
She won 8. Sorry for that mistake. She would have won another 20 if it was not for the stabbing. And yes. She did change the game in her style of play.
Illya Kuryakin why did she have an eating disorder?
Cancer is mostly caused by lifestyle. sometimes bad genes can make some people more succectable to cancer. I like to eat healthy to prevent myself from getting it. To prevent cancer you can follow the accronym NEW START. nutrition,exercise, water, sunlight,temperance ,air,rest,trust in God. Cancer prevention. Monica had a disorder because she was stabbed and she actually won a gran slam title being over weight after her comeback. She would have won 30 gran slams if she was not stabbed.
not one of the great....the greatest of all time you mean!!!!
Ah, the Magic of Monica. Even after all these years! Love watching her play.
Just unforgettable and nostalgic ones...
@@samofbeach damn true. She was comleletly different.
Commenting after 7 years. Lol
@@sohamdutta9281 yeah, but all good!
Me too.
Monica Seles, the best female tennis player that ever was.
I agree, Monica completely rocked, she was the absolute best, so awesome to watch and was the queen of power angels and top shots.
Serena disagrees.
@Max E We all know you gave false stats in another Graf-Seles video purposely. Tell me the source of this stat. Also, according to Wikipedia, "from January 1991 through February 1993, Seles won 22 titles and reached 33 finals out of the 34 tournaments she played. She compiled a 159-12 win-loss record (92.9% winning percentage), including a 55-1 win-loss record (98%) in Grand Slam tournaments", so before Seles got stabbed by a Graf fan, she won 7 out of 8 GS she played in. Seles clearly had Graf's number and was on a roll for a 2-year plus period.
@Max E Yeah, except that Seles won every GS from the start of 1991 to 1993 AO except for Wimbledon 1991 (Seles did not play) and 1992 (Seles was all of a sudden not allowed to grunt), while Graf either got beaten by Seles in the final (FO 92 & AO 93) or did not even make it to the final. Not sure if this is not having Graf's number, what is.
Federer also looked unbeatable until Nadal entered his sight, and it was the same with Graf and Seles.
@@vgr112261 how do you know..?
Monica was just relentless!!! Richard Williams modeled his daughter's games based on Monica's style of play. Venus calls her her idol.
I don't think Richard modelled his daughters game on Monica's...since his daughters were strong and athletic it's pretty obvious that they should be playing to their strength rather than trying to be ''crafty''!
The only thing they've in common is the aggressive style, their forehands and backhands are totally different!
Nice lies.
Illya Kuryakin you can pattern a style without being clone. Monica hit hard off both sides she kind of brought in the modern women’s game. Mary Carrillo called it “Big Babe Tennis”
@Illya Kuryakin
Serena and Venus idolized Monica when they were young...they both watched Monica beat the crap out of Steffi.😀
Sharapova as well as many other players idolized her as well.
I actually looked up the year end computer rankings in 1991.
1)Monica Seles 4400 points
2)Steffi Graf 3200 points
A Whopping 1200 points ahead!
This doesn't even count Monica's 1992 Aussie, French, US Open championships..as well as 1993 Aussie Open for Monica.
Monica was so far ahead of Steffi.....Steffi was not even close.
It's no wonder Steffi had horrible temper tantrums and angry outbursts after her Grand Slam losses to Monica.
I like Steffi but Monica was the undisputed Queen Of Tennis at that time.
Merry Christmas!😀
@@640A Crafty? LOL, yeah, we can tell you really know your tennis, haha
Mala Mo! Kakva su to vremena bila, kakva zemlja i kakav je borac i teniser bila. Kako smo kao klinci gledali i navijali, najezio sam se.
Grande, grandissima Monica Seles! Provo, a distanza di anni, le stesse emozioni seguendo i tuoi incontri! Grandissima tennista, bellissima persona, dentro e fuori, onesta e leale. Senza pari, e soprattutto, senza la boria che si nota in tante altre. Un ringraziamento particolare a chi ha caricato quest'incontro, che ricordi, mia mamma ed io, a seguirlo tanti, troppi anni addietro. ❤
The most beautiful thing about tennis is the beautiful smile of Monika Seles, who one day was taken from her by a criminal ... that one and her desire to win.
@Max E stefi was a joke for monica, i hope you are happy with her fals record , stolen from monica
Stefi would never made a record 377 weeks no1 without knife . That was the only way to stop monica , plus she won 8 slams like a teenager, she could end her carer with 30 plus slams. But all that records you stoled from her , Novak will return to our country .
@@user-tv5yz2gi7b Damn you are so childish.
@Max E yep, Monika won 90,91 and 92 FO . Sure stefi would won 93 French open
@@user-tv5yz2gi7b a mistake about incident, is put Steffi Graff like "The Criminal". Maybe , probably without an incident Seles should win a lot of tittles and do it hard to Graf next years.. but i see like both players had potencial still to win a lot of slams, anyway If it happens and having a big challenge player on court maybe Graf too no had leave and retired with 30 years; and maybe she had played until 38 playing hard against seles and winning a lot of tournaments with this years over, fact that Seles maybe became top player of all times, we never going to know.. but again If a crazy fan Of Graf trying to kill a player its not your fault. However if police know something else maybe i change my opinion.
Monica Seles, She is the best tennis player in the world. If it does not hurt the scene.
Yes u r a big scene hahhha
No Steffi is beter
Seles could be the best, if that incident never happen.
Stefi had no backhand.
Seles is goat !
8 GS titles at 19 with 3 more chances before her 20th birthday. Will never be duplicated. Also, Monica won her first 36 matches at the Australian, which is a better unbeaten streak than Nadal at the French!
it is a biggest tragedy of tennis what happend with Monica later.
@Max E but is your is a nobody.
Of Monica Seles' phenomenal records, these will never be broken: winning her first 6 GS finals and winning 8 GS titles as a teenager. She also won her very first pro final, ever, 1989 Houston, over someone you may have heard of, Chris Evert, and won her first 33 matches at the AO before the streak ended.. All of these bode well for the argument that she would have/should have been the best women's player ever!! Even Serena, Graf, Evert, Navratilova, and Court are no match for Seles' early career. Oh, what might have been!
McClernand4 You just confirmed your own intellectual level.
and you, you just confirmed you were a biaised fanatic 'seleslamist'...
@Illya Kuryakin Are you going to wish Monica and me a Merry Christmas and a Happy 2020?
@Illya Kuryakin Do you want me to kick your ass ....just like Monica kicked Steffi's ass?
@Illya Kuryakin I don't know about that..I was a good tennis player in high school and college.
This match is Vintage Seles. Even though she lost the first set to Graf, you can see Monica raising her game and level of play in the last two sets. This clip alone shows Monica going more for the lines and hitting many out of the airshots for winners.
Another good example about this match is you can see how Seles can hurt the Graf forehand on the run, esp from Monica's powerful backhand side, something she was not able to do with frequency after she came back in 95. With all the talk about "what if" "what could've", I do think Monica waited a year too long to come back on tour. She was also out of shape, something that contributed to many of her unexpected losses.
Love Monica and what she has done for the game. Today she looks like a fit, contented woman.
Actually, Seles was devastating Graf's forehand. hahahaha!
Being out of shape was the main reason. And the stabbing trauma which probably caused her father's demise being the reasons for her eating disorder. You can clearly see the huge difference in her footwork and movement on court from before and after the stabbing. Before she's right up there with Graf on how well she sprung around the court. She wouldn't be able to be that effective double handed on both sides without the movement which proved true on he after stabbing comeback.
One of the effects of bereavement is mental disorganisation. Seles had to wait until her mind was clear. Coming after only 2 years with 2 such major shocks demonstrates considerable will and personality.
It's amazing how Seles inspired so many players like the Williams'. And the Williams' have now inspired so many other players like Osaka and Andrescu.
Osaka andrescu are just misery comparing to Seles.
SELES NAILED IT, WHAT A PERFORMANCE
Love that lethal crosscourt backhand slice by Steffi at 23:37, and then Monica follows it up next point with a powerful crosscourt backhand. Such a great rivalry that could have been potentially the best in sport history. Yeah, no doubt Steffi had some great opposition in Sanchez Vicario and other girls, but no, this here was the rivalry. There was something intense and feeling when these two always met, and it was a loss for sport it never developed into what it should have.
Michael G agreed.
wrong! this match proves there would have been no rivalry only domination by seles. this was the first match where seles outaced graf in a match, seles was now entering her prime and was no longer the skinny weak girl graf could overpower, most of grafs wins over seles came in 89 when seles was only 15
What nonsense. This match was close like most other Seles-Graf encounters, except on grass where Graf was much better. This had all ingredients of a great rivalry , where the pendulum swings back and forth between two great champions.
5:17 Seles forces Graff to make more than 10 backhands then suddenly switches downline for a winner, classic tactics
good point
It was really nice to see how Monica played very strategically against Steffi. Normally Monica played very much with power and groundstrokes against others. Against Steffi she played very strategically and never gave up. Steffi on the other hand was more athletic than Monica. She also had the power to handle Monica. But Seles mind was sharper and she kept surprising Steffi with her serves and shot directions. She kept attacking Steffi. I wish the rivalry could take its natural course.
It is similar to Nadal versus Federer: the Spaniard has adequately the strategic game and mental power to win the Swiss. But lucky Nadal: he has never been stabbed.
GeorgeHenryThomas Are you Steffi Graf personally? Her dad or Seles attacker?
this was the first match where seles outaced graf proving she had more power now than graf and was now entering her prime
@@samofbeach By that rational maybe Steffi would have found a way to beat Nadal in later years, just as the Swiss Maestro was beating Nadal consistently in the latter years. If only had changed his racket earlier in his career…
That year Monica was still playing for wonderful Yugoslavia...
Illya Kuryakin what country are you from
@Ex-Yukaraoke Ма пусти ову будалу, шта он зна о Југославији, учио је од ратнохушкачких новинара. Monika and Nole, the best ever!
You Ukrainians are fascists, you have nothing to talk about@Illya Kuryakin
@Illya Kuryakin You Ukrainians are fascists, you have nothing to talk about
There are many grand slam champions from Yugoslavia, Croatia and Serbia, but not from Ukraine
Monica Seles was my favourite woman tennis player of all time, just the epitome
of grit, fire determination, and talent. If she wouldn't have been stabbed in 1993 at
the prime of her career, she well could have matched Steffi, and Serena Williams
for most grand slam titles.
The best 3 women players over the last 50 - 60 years, in no particular order, were
Graff. Williams, and Seles, and they all would have taken matches from each other,
and it's impossible to say who'd com out on top. They were all great, however I
think Seles is a little underrated, as her career was cut short by being stabbed in
1993, in her prime by a Steffi Graff fan in Hamburg Germany.
Love MS!!!!! I finally started to play back then because of her....
I love Monica Seles!❤
I really love the way Seles play. The word that best describes her style of play is "relentless". I kinda see similarities between Graf-Seles matchups and Federer-Nadal. Both Fed and Graf have that slice backhand and powerful forehand and both Seles and Nadal are relentless, few mistakes. Seles didn't move that great though. But yeah the stabbing really robbed of us of an epic rivalry - coulda been like the Evert-Navratilova rivalry perhaps.
Both Rafa and Monica are lefties too.
gracias lost cachirules. disfrute un excelente partido!
I do love Monica Seles very much ,she inspires other people and me
Monica was incredible here and she was only 19 years old. As great as Steffi was in this final, she was no match for Monica's superior groundstrokes and mental toughness.
+Illya Kuryakin I am a fan of Steffi but even Steffi admitted in her post match interview that Monica was a better player..especially during Grand Slams.
Let's not forget that Monica was only going to get better. She had only been playing professionally for only a few years.
joe well said... they dnt understand both were great , seles sufffered fr something unnatural thats what makes her case sad and espcially more as she won most slams ever ,in 19 yr age...
then, why does Steffi lead 10-5 in their H2H ?
McClernand4 Steffi got 4 out of 5 of those wins AFTER Monica's stabbing. And the first 3 wins were against 14 year old Monica. Let that sink in.
Shalom Aaron ve shavua tov.
Steffi beat Monica 3 times out of 4 in 91-92, when Monica was number one.
When Monica came back, she was just 21, and totally healed. She won the 96
AO. Why couldn't she beat Steffi more often ?
i really dont think Steffi had antything to do with it BUT she did come across as quite cold. Monica Seles is a peaceful spirit who was treated very badly by the WTA...but she still has 9 Grandslams so she did bloody good all the same !
sorry but even Monica implies she was rather a distant person......FACT: Steffi Graf benefitted from what happened to Minica Seles in 1993. She got about 7 years benefits
***** ?????
Steffi was a charmless person, imo. She came across as cold, and completely self-absorbed. Don't think I ever saw her smile. She visited Monica once, in the hospital, and that was it. Seles mastered her, before that terrible stabbing, and I believe she wd have won double the 9 GS titles she has.
I'm turco-greek, living in Belgium... When i was 6-7 i was so impressed by Yougoslavia players. And Still now, you know Croatia, Serbia, Slovaquia, Slovenia, Montenegro, Czeka republica etc... In football that was terrible i remember. But I didn't Know Monica was from Yougoslavia. And i m not surprise now. Respect.
I love Monica Seles, both uses two handed in forehand and backhand, which is very unusual to see, she has the same style with Marion Bartolli of France but different in handedness when they serve..The only problem with Monica is that she's slower around the court..Her movements are not quite good but her focus, anticipation, peripheral vision and smartness made her comfortable..Very intelligent tennis player that I've seen..love you Monica..
Seles is such a fighter and I respect that about her!!! She was basically the only one who could take down Graf during their Era, if that stabbing wouldn't of happened, I doubt Graf would of had the amount of Grand Slams, she would of had to share them with Seles. :)
Exactly. A pannel of tennis experts agreed that Seles and Graf would have ended their career with 16 and 15 slams. Seles 16, Graf 15.
shucham i agree, maybe a 1-2 more for both especially seles as she was younger and dominating 3 out 4 slams..
TENNIS LOVER agree
IF Monika got muscle injury, problems family and steffi is healthy. Can Seles beat Steffi
There's zero chance Graf would have ended her career with 22 slams if Monica was never stabbed.
Monika,nema ti ravne,svaka cast!!Do tada neviden tvoj stil igre,tvoja borbenost,tvoj talenat.Jasno je i najvecoj budali zasto se desio incident u Hamburgu,sve si kosila pred sobom a mnogima to nije odgovaralo...Morali su naci nacina kako to cudo od djeteta zaustaviti...Tvoj comeback je dokaz tvoje borbenosti i ljubavi prema Tenisu..Za mnoge a i za mene ,najbolja svih vremena,Monika Seles !!
@Illya Kuryakin Dann laß es sein!Wie war das letzte mal als du sagtest ALLE Deutschen sein G.Parche...und ich sagte ALLE niemals...Habe gewettet das der erste Kommentar vom Ukrainischem Günter sein wird,hat nicht lange gedauert...Thanks...
@Illya Kuryakin Ich spreche auch kein serbisch u.war auch nie in diesem Land,finde aber das die (Yugos)so hast du sie letztens gennant,viel mehr Ahnung vom Tennis haben als ihr Ukrainer.Was die Weltrangliste Jahrelang auch bestätigt!Please,go away,no one is interested in your hate...
The rally at 4:25 is vintage Seles. Locking Graf in a corner with crazy angles and finishing with a down the line killer. Her gameplan in this match was perfect.
monica seles for me the best player i ever saw, until nowadays great monica.
Illya Kuryakin shut up. Simply poiting out his opinion
Graf was a phenomenal champion and probably one of the 2 or 3 greatest athletes to play tennis. But anybody who doesn't think her record has a great big asterisk next to it is deluded. When Seles returned she wasn't even half the player she was before. First, physically and second, mentally. Wilt Chamberlin said she was the fiercest competitor he had ever seen in any sport.
+Richard Divinagracia you do realize I'm saying Seles was better than Graf right?
+Jonathan Wallach Sorry for misreading. We're on the same side of the fence.
Math Lover steffi won 9 slams very fast.. bt frm 9 to 11 slams..it ws a long journey... seles was stabbed at her absolute peak....and when a 19 yr old has life threatning attack ..its psychologicalimpact cant be seen frm outside..and also greaf was losing most of slam finals to seles... 3-1 that time. these all point towards difficult slam journey fr graf post 11 slams...she would win wimbledon a few times , us open one/ twice at max and maybe an odd ao or fo l
maybe.. so it dsnt look to go beyond 11+3+2+1 =17 to 18 acc to me... 22 ?? how ,without hamburg? she would still remain great graf.. 18 means evert,navratilova,graf at par.... but this hamburg incident changed thencourse of tennis history... how much seles would win..my god difficult... 8slamsat 19 .. 3 slams each for 2 yrs.. even if she played till 30 .. that is another 11 years , only 1 slam a yr frm there also takes hed to 8+11 = 19...atleast..gosh...
you can't just assume what would have been. You're using a backwards sort of logic. We have reality, a reality in which Seles was attacked and failed to return to tour at her previous level. We also have a reality in which Graf was dominant virtually throughout her ENTIRE career, before and after Seles. What we don't have is any concrete basis to assume that Seles would have automatically dominated had she not gotten attacked. While it may be LIKELY, it's not a given. It's safe to say Graf was fairly bad in the 90-93 period in comparison to the rest of her career, and in that period she lost to many players besides Seles. Long story short: Graf's career isn't asteriked because we can't assume what would have been in a different life. We don't KNOW if Seles would have maintained her level, and it's quite possible that Seles was an early bloomer who was going to fizzle out at a younger rate than others. What should be asteriked is Seles's career, not Graf's. Seles arguably would have won more, yes, but we can't assume how Graf would have performed moving forward, especially when post 93 it's commonly agreed that Graf improved back to a peak level
Exactly. Serena's the female goat because her success didn't have ANY asterisks. Steffi was getting dominated by Monica before she was stabbed, Navratilova had Evert who was competing closely against her (and the time was very uncompetitive and less powerful). Serena's battled every possible injury and adversity and has played in the toughest eras in tennis yet somehow come on top every time. That said, Steffi and Seles in my opinion in terms of peak playing level are top 4 easily. Not sure if Navratilova or Venus belongs there in terms of talent.
What Graf fans fail to understand is that Monica was starting to beat Steffi consistently in GRAF'S prime. Monica had just turned nineteen the month before this match, and she was already closing in on Graf's GS total (11 to Monica's 8 after this match). Monica was just starting to develop other aspects of her game (her serve, especially--look at the total number of aces during this match, 7 for Monica and only 1 for Steffi). Monica's prime was still a couple of years away. By that time should would have had 12+ major titles, at least! Even if Monica hadn't been stabbed, I concede that winning Wimbledon would have been a tough feat, but she would have made a couple more semifinals and at least one or two more finals. Even so, no one can dispute that she OWNED the other three majors, particularly the AO and the FO. Is it really so far fetched that Monica would have won 6-7 AOs, 6-7 FOs, and 4-5 USOs??? This would have put her in the range of Evert and Navratilova. No way Steffi wins another 11 after this match with Monica at full strength. She could barely get be the other top players of the era.
***** Seles "destroyed" so much Graf that she lost 6/0 6/1 in 1989 and 6/2 6/1 in 1992 against Graf. Are you sure that you know what destruction means? And please stop with the "what if's" and stop insulting people.
xicano777
Graf's prime wasn't the 90's, it was the 80's when she won 9 GS titles between 1987-1990. Without the stabbing Graf would have still won all the W titles (cause Seles sucked on Gras)... they would have split some of the FO titles, while Seles would have won more AO titles (probably all of them from 1991-1996 or so) while Graf would have taken some of the USO titles. They would both have had 14-16 GS titles.
The difference is that as a Graf fan I can see both sides of this debade bc I am reasonable. The Seles extremists claim Graf ordered an assassination or was mean towards Seles after the stabbing which has been proven wrong countless of times. Either way, Steffi was more successful and just for the sting of it, i am mentioning this here bc all the vile crap those Seles lovers said is pretty special-needs mental.
suddenlyitsobvious r u on glue? you dont make any sense.
Imagine if Nadal was stabbed at age 20 ....how many more slams Roger would have won ......Steffy is a lucky legend
Amazingly, Seles at this point was still growing taller (!) and getting better. Developing a bigger serve. Hitting harder and deeper than before. Thinking even more brutally on court as far as point construction. Frightening to imagine. This match exemplified her growing powers. Steffi was already a pure legend and surely the greatest natural athlete, most fluid athlete, in the history of the game. (Steffi could have been an Olympic-level sprinter, I am convinced.) But she found her proper foil in Seles, whose quirky, somewhat unorthodox style and killer instinct matched Steffi’s, and whose bombs off both wings were relentless. Steffi is still one of the three or four greatest I have ever seen play, but Seles had definitely supplanted her at the top and it’s a tragedy that this great rivalry was prevented from continuing under normal circumstances for both women. I think there’s only a very *tiny* asterisk that should be placed next to Graf’s record, but an asterisk just the same. Not her fault, either. Two astonishing yet star-crossed champions.
it is a biggest tragedy of tennis what happend with Monica later.
more than a tiny asterisk. she would of never won 22 slams if Seles wasn't stabbed. 91 and 92 she won 3 slams each year 93 she was on the way to a grand slam. its so sad
Monica Seles, one and only. G.O.A.T. 💝
Between 1989-1993, Seles was unique at tennis history. Her carrer was very similar to Maureen Connolly's one.
***** Well, she won more tournaments as a teenager than any other player in history!!!! You should know this if you really know tennis.
*****, pay attention: I've deleted message from you including in this topic because offenses are not admitted here too.
And just for being CLEARER: Seles was better than Graf like a teenager tennis player, despite both were number one at 17 years and few months.
Seles in a shorter period of 4 years (15 yo and a half to 19 yo and a half) got in GS: 8 titles and 1 r.u., and in Masters: 3 titles and no r.u.
Graf in a larger period of 6.5 years (13 yo and a half to 20 yo) got in GS: 6 titles and 3 r.u., and in Masters: 2 titles and 1 r.u.
So, the most appropriate comparison between successful teenagers careers should be done between Seles (8 GS and 1 r.u.) and Connolly (9 GS and no r.u.).
*****, it is given above an enough explanation for my initial statement. Once you persistently ignore my advices and insist in using offensive adjetives, verbs and nouns, I withdraw your messages without addicional justifications.
she was my idol growing up playing tennis....now i play two handed both forehand and backhand due to her! love her! thanks Monica, you changed tennis game for the better, if only the stabbing had never happened you would have been be the one getting most of the slams not Steffi....let's hope that no more super crazy fans of any player would have the chance again to do what that Steffi Graf's fans did to you.... best of luck, Monica!
***** obviously you hate Monica and you show that with your many comments. I feel sad for you. She just loved to play tennis.
***** you pity her, and why is that? And please have an explanation regarding her, not her fans. Because if you use her fans as a reason why you pity her, then that is really sad on your part. This is about Monica, and that is the only reason why you have chosen to say nasty things about her. Of its truly her fans that have caused you to say hateful nasty things about Monica, then that says a lot about you just as it does them. So once again, why do you pity Monica?
Are you joking me? That right there proves to me you are a total freak. Yes, I called you a name. But that kind of comment is ludicrous, what a freaking loser you are mr. Gunther Parche. Please stay away from Serena, because she doesn't deserve to be stabbed just because she will be considered the greatest play of all time now. - and I actually want to thank you now, because before i couldn't help myself in replying to your hateful remarks towards Monica, but now i finally realize you are just LOST. You are a lost soul and there is no reason to even engage you in conversation. Goodbye, everyone see's your ridiculous ludicrous comments (and the only other person who makes these type of comments regarding Monica is that George guy, who I actually think is truly the same person as you), so I will not let myself ever be baited by your hateful remarks towards Monica and actually think that you could be reasoned with.......and guess what....Serena will be considered the Greatest. Sorry, I know that hurts.
and Serbia would have both male and female GOAT...
Mónika never played for Serbia, she played for Yugoslavia and then the United States and she is Hungarian by ethnicity
映像が綺麗✨🤗 セレシュ大好きだった✨✨✨
Monica nista nije zaboravljeno, sve se pamti, svi mi znamo sta se dogodilo i u tom slucaju ne oprastamo nista, PRAVDA 🕊️❤️☝️
Seles is the greatest of all time in women's tennis in my opinion..
Saying that beeing a German. Beetween 1990 and 1993 Monica was clearly better than Steffi and in the years to follow she would be such superior to Steffi that Steffi would ve retire in frustration early. (if the disgusting crime on Monica wouldnt had happened) She has been just 20 years old and still had so much development before her. She is the best woman tennis player of all time period.
Everybody is having their peak time... Monica also same... Steffi also had her Peak time & loss... finally whoever is maintaining their superiority always ... they are real champion...that is Steffi ..
Bravo man.Honest person.Probably Mo couldnt get 22.but it would for example 17 :15 for Graf in GS
2020 tj aussi passionnant !
it's amazing how she improved her serve in 93. Before she just spinned her first serve in.
Monicaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Nice video quality even if its an old match, a little problem with the sounds but its fine... well that is why most of the player on WTA admired Monica more. she is a class player and not arrogant especially towards player on the other side of the net... she is not the GOAT yes because of her misfortune but nevertheless she is admired in and out of the tennis court...
I think it was due to her beginning the GRUNT AND SCREAM craze plus her ridiculous cover up stories for missing Wimbledon and the stupid stories about having mysterious illnesses or being pregnant. She was unpopular everywhere with the crowds.
Michael Brennan
Who was unpopular, Monica?
@@dmbunny8000 Did you smoked?
Bravo nasa draga Monika Seles 🙂
I love watching this match
She was well on her way to being the GOAT. Were it not for that unfortunate incident, I truly believe it would’ve been Monica and not Graf in the discussion for the GOAT 🐐, of course before the arrival of Serena. Monica would’ve won between 15-18 Majors and no way would Steffi had 22, she just wouldn’t because Monica clearly had her number everywhere except for Wimbledon. Between ‘91 AO to ‘93 AO (9 Major tournaments) Monica played 8, made the final of those 8 and won 7! That was incredible domination! But it wasn’t meant to be. She still had an extraordinary career!
One of Monica’s greatest revenge victory
Ilya Kuryakin Serena Williams would destroy graf, so would Naomi osaka. Justin henin would beat that ugly faced graf too. Seles was a clear step above graf when that deranged graf fan, just like you, stabbed seles. Your horse faced heroine was the beneficiary of a criminal.
I did fall in love with Monica when I was an elementary student, It was the early 90s 🥰
One of 2 wins #1 Seles had in her 7 matches against Steffi.
The other one was at the FO 92 and was an even bigger struggle for Seles.
but, did Seles win even though she struggled?...
@@seanjames1967 Mostly not.
Only in 2 of 7 matches, as I said.
She is the most dominated #1 player in the history of the game.
Has several other negative records for a #1 (worst slam final loss, losses to youngest and oldest player). I think those records will never be broken.
All that is clear sign that she didn’t belong there. Under normal circumstances she would have been a solid #2.
Watching Seles always make me sad. You get the feeling that this world is so unjust. I cant help think about the no of slams she would have won
Not to mention that psycho pos who never served a day in jail for stabbing her in public on video! No justice on this planet for victims.
What happened to her?
@@docmcmuffinz1559 She was stabbed by a Steffi Graf fan. :(
The darkest day in tennis history.
2:37 Steffi saw the serve out but didnt have any challenges remaining.
You wonder how Tennis history would have changed had hawkeye been in place decades ago
Formidable Monicaa seles potencia velocidad contragolpes y drop shots. Todo en una sola jugadora unica con su increible concentracion e intensidad!
Quello che non dimenticherò mai comunque fu la classe e lo stile del padre di monica seles che applaudi la sabatini che aveva appena battuto la figlia....un gesto incredibile...un grande signore....la perdita del padre ha rotto per sempre l'equilibrio della seles
if Yugoslavia hadn't broken apart, it would be one of the most successful sports nations in the world, especially in ball sports, water polo, tennis, soccer, handball, basketball etcetera.
Serbia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Montenegro, Macedonia.
just a few examples
tennis
Djokovic, Seles
Soccer
Mijatovic, Savicevic, Mihajlovic,Stojkovic, Ibrahimovic, Modric, Suker,
basketball
Divac, Danilovic, Kukoc, Jokic, Doncic
And these are just a few of many...
Too bad and sad that this beautiful Yugoslavia does not exist
a very talented nation, which did not suit the west, because the ones from the east were always better athletes
see currently the Djokovic case
Mónica la mejor
Great quality
It took a lot of years but I found a women's player I enjoy watching since Monica in Ostapenko.
Monica vs Steffi on groundstrokes:
Steffi: odd forehand, often very late point of contact, backhand non weapon, no one would ever try to replicate her style
Monica: compact, contact point always in front, both sides major weapons capable of hitting winners from most parts of the court, a generation of women modeled their games after the way Monica hit the ball
Monica wins.
+Illya Kuryakin fuck you
+Illya Kuryakin you don't get the point fanboy, he's speaking about the legacy in terms of play style. And he's right about that, no one plays anymore like grafs whit this slice backhand, and now a lot of women have this agressive style from the baseline (sharapova serena azarenka stosur... and a lot more.) So just stop to copy and paste every damn time the graf's achievements for every comment that piss you off, and read properly what he wrote, you butt hurt fanboy
+Illya Kuryakin Without the stabbing:G: 15S: 19
Well that style wouldn't hold up in today's game because the ball comes at you so fast now, it's harder to make those shots with the speed the ball is coming at you and you can't just make those kids of shots without them being severely punished.
***** No the game is way way faster than it was then.. The players hit the ball much harder and power is more of a feature. Seles was considered a hard hitter in those days but these days she'd be considered to hit the ball at an average pace. When the ball comes at you harder it's more difficult to hit those kinds of shots and when you do, the player at the other end has the power to destroy them. Anyway Steffi spent a lot of time trying not to hit her backhand- so when the power hitters came along she she couldn't run to the forehand and had to play her weaker side.
Yo era fans de Steffi pero, cuando la vi a ella, Mónica inigualable, ¡ jamás habrá una igual!
De hecho estefi fue mucho mejor tenista los números hablan por si mismo seles 9 títulos de gran slam y estefi 22 títulos de gran slam no hay comparación mil veces mas ganadora la alemana
@@unchulodeesquinapatoduck8376 , es que Mónica no pudo lograr con sus 17 años lo que había logrado la alemana con sus 25 años...Seles recién comenzaba, eso no se puede comparar. Si no le hubiese pasado lo que le pasó, hubiese arrasado con todo y tendría más títulos que la alemana, pues esta última terminó perdiendo su puesto y eso es doloroso
Linda mÓNICA saludos desde QUITO LUZ de américa
Seles exposed Graf's weaknesses in her game. That WEAK BACKHAND and HITTING that FOREHAND LATE! She got away with it with lesser players like Sabatini, Sanchez Vicario, etc but not with Seles who consistently hits hard on BOTH WINGS! Thats why she ousted and overpowered Graf as the top ranked player. Graf was a great player but made greater than what she actually was due to the stabbing of the true#1 player!
staff did win the golden slam.monica would have done it also probably
Monica had the best grunts. I don't care what anyone says.
Monica Seles rocks
Monica Seles the greatest female tennis talent ever !
@Illya Kuryakin and Chris Evert, and Martina Navratilova. And Justine Hénin.
I haven't seen any other player return, pick up the ball so quickly like Monica did.
So incredible!!
Monica would have won about 18 Grand Slams
but she had already won 8 by her 18th birthday
GeorgeHenryThomas Hingis had problems with players like Seles who would have overpowered her like the Williams sisters did.
h but thank god for Hingis, altohugh Im sure she would have thought that she would have won more than 4 slams
Close to 30 better say
every new player who hasn't been injured is sure to be stronger. Look at the young Graf against Navtratilova then Navtratilova with Chris evert, BJK
4:25 -5:13 this point though... Graf totally outclassed by Seles
@Max E seles was 17/17 back then😂 ; as a full 18 years old , seles crushed the poor steffi☹
@Max E poor steffi😂😂😂 monica robbed her ☹ the fact is that from 1993 , steffi was literally crushed by Monica, as you can see from this video. The only way for steffi to stop monica was to...you know...
@Max E course not😂 but you can see in that match , that the best steffi was nothing compared to monica. She was really something else.
@Max E Monica beat up Steffi.
Brilliant rally by Monica.
Monica IS the best ever. No doubt about that!!! Grazie Monica
Steffi's slice is a work of art
She was a beast indeed! I still think Serena's power is unmatched but on a good day Monica was as tough as anyone jack!!!
After this final Steffi Graf broke racquets in the locker and was very violent. She kicked benches. Her family was called in to escort her out. She was angry which also scared Seles very much. This was the hint. Steffi was sobbing and saying that she cannot win another grand slam if Monica keeps playing like this. She just didn´t want to play anymore. Later her father hired Gunther Parche. Steffi didn´t need to do that. She should have kept playing. Federer never wanted to kill Nadal, or Nadal never wanted to kill Djokovic.
i remember hearing that from a commentator and reading it too.
I dont know about Fed and Nadal or Nadal and Nole killing each other. They are friends outside tennis and have respect for each other.
GeorgeHenryThomas
Is that the best you've got? youre nothing but a TROLL hater, that is what you are. Again, Graf 22 slams will ALWAYS be tainted as: ' IN MONICA SELES ABSENCE". get a life, hitler ! you will never win against me.
This comment is true but I heard Steffi smashed rackets in Berlin not Australian Open. I think Monica wrote about this in her autobiography.
"Her father hired Günter Parche"? You must be outta your mind.
Andrew Simpson
Yes indeed. In Australia also she was devastated in the locker room and later her mum was called in to take her from there.
Both are my favourite
Emending my statement: remembering this game by watching it on UA-cam, it is emphatic how Seles dominates her opponent's backhand, how she takes by surprise her adversary's forehand and how she exploites her rival's devolution, until the moment that Graf gets desparate in some moments of the third set.
Seles was better than Graf. Between spring 90 and spring 93, multiple Major throphies in series for Seles. In the same period: 2 Grand slam titles for Graf. Says it all.
I think the thing with Seles is that over that 3 year period she was getting better and better not just staying the same. At an accelerated pace. And the tournaments were becoming more and more dominated by her. The others won more over a period of time against Navratilova or Serena, but not in the same way.
I didn't realize I was comparing Seles to herself, but comparing her to Austin/Navratilova etc. etc. which you mentioned. 1992 was a year she won all grand slams and went to the finals of Wimbledon. Then she one the first grand slam of the year at the Australian before being stabbed. In 1990 Seles won the French and...oh, right, no other grand slam. In 1991 she won the Aussie, French and US open. In 1992 She won all and made the finals of Wimbledon. She started beating Graf in the Grand Slams. Twice at the French and then the Aussie open. So she was getting stronger. Overall match percentages don't really tell the story. There are too many variables; i.e., sickness, skipping tournaments, playing less etc. What matters is that she was killing at the Grand Slams. The others you mentioned were not. Even Navratilova said that if she did not get stabbed she very well could have been the greatest player of all time. But what does Navratilova know. lol
Seles was easily the better player from 1990-1993 that's why the germans had to stab her.Seles would have won 25 Slams had she not been stabbed and i think Steffi would of maybe won 13 Slams.I'm just glad i was able to watch these great matches in the early 90's when i was in my 20's.
Agreed.
Well Graf played badly during part of Seles' peak, and actually kept losing before reaching the semis or finals to other players (not Seles). As she started to regain her peak (late 1992, early 1993), Seles got stabbed shortly afterwards.
I remember this match very well. In 1992/1993 Monica had become more powerful than the previous three years in which Steffi had managed to beat her (except in 1990 ). That year, Steffi had not yet found nor developed the right strategy to beat Monica (except on grass where her game was superior). Monica's game was much more efficient than Steffi on rebound ace surface. Then, between 95 and 99, Steffi played Monica in a different way using her short crossed sliced backhand very successfully.
If Steffi could have served even harder and used her top spin backhand down the line more often - like Roger Federer does-, very few players would have beaten her.
She gave steffi a big warning, we can see that steffi is slightly scared. Monica a real fighter a big winner. BRAVO MONICA but sad what will happen 3 months later.
Notice how back then, after a match, even after winning a grand slam final, there was little to no on court celebration by the winner... usually just a simple wave and acknowledgement of the crowd's applause. Nowadays, you win a set in the first round of any tournament, some of the players set off fireworks, ring bells and blow trumpets
Hahaha. True though. Neither Monica or Steffi were big celebrators.
I am always surprised by the aggressive attitude of Monica Seles's fans against Steffi Graf. What's the point blaming Graf for that horrible act in Hamburg? Graf explained on and on how she was horrified and she felt sorry for Seles when she visited her at the hospital. Seles's fans are always considering a possible different future with "and IF... and IF..." The fact of the matter is they were both great champions. You have to respect both of them. Seles was better on rebound ace surfaces like in the AO : she would beat Graf in 93 and again in 99. On clay, Seles and Graf had equal results (Seles won the FO in 90 and 92 and Graf won in 89 and 99) and at the US Open and Wimbledon, Seles could never beat Graf. Remember how Seles was destroyed by Graf on grass : 6/0 6/1 and 6/2 6/1... Facts, only facts. Respect for both of them and that's it!
So sad...who would have thought that this would be the last Grand Slam Seles would be in her prime :(
I don't consider Steffi as The G.O.A.T. To me the all time list looks more like:
1.Serena Williams 2.Martina Navratilova 3.Chris Evert 4.Monica Sels 5.Steffi Graf 6.Margaret Court.
A fair estimate (without that horrible stabbing) combined with their great rivalry would be Seles on 17-18 and Graf on 16-17 slams.
Watching this makes me feel sad cause i do not have the chance to watch this quality nowadays.
She was the only one who could seriously challenge Steffi how sad her career was cut down.if continued she could overthrow steffi
Seles was Graff's Kryptonite
+Illya Kuryakin most of grafs wins were during their early meeting and after she got stabbed.
but from from a period bet '91 to early '93, steffi was getting her (tight) ass handed back to her by Seles
+Illya Kuryakin genius would just right
***** gay would be apprropriate for you
+D DIESEL that tyte ASSSSSS !!
+Illya Kuryakin of course you ignore the fact graf family ordered the stabbing of Monica Seles.
Total domination. Superior in every single department (except that Seles was NOT at her best, hitting a lot of unforced errors....). I felt bad for Steffi, how she totally fell apart towards the end of this match, and at the press conference, where she deteriorated into a sobbing shaking incoherent total "mess", by her own words....
And look at Seles and her family.....Confident, always gracious, always congratulating the Graf family, win or lose.
A study in contrast.
Illya Kuryakin
Yawn. Boring. No one cares. Move on.....
@Illya Kuryakin
Its not my fault, don't get upset and call people names, Fraulein.....Watch the press conference!
STEFFI IS A MESS! SHE LOOKS LIKE A NUT!
ua-cam.com/video/NuhOfZrkBuA/v-deo.html
Steffi Graf, SOBBING after her loss to MONICA SELES at the Australian Open 1993.....
www.agefotostock.com/age/en/Stock-Images/Rights-Managed/PAH-2666834
@Illya Kuryakin
AAAAWWWWW....Someone is getting ANGRY! Stop the name calling, Haus Frau..... you asked for evidence, and here it is...
I repeat: STEFFI GRAF SOBBING after her LOSS TO MONICA SELES at the 1993 Aussie Open....
www.alamy.com/stock-photo-tennis-player-steffi-graf-cries-after-the-loss-of-the-australian-open-59948106.html
@Illya Kuryakin YES. Read article below, fräulein...You owe me an apology....www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1993/01/30/seles-tops-graf-wins-australian/73d78700-6c8b-483f-9276-0a7d18d3f87b/
WELL?
How much strength do you have to have, to be able to constantly play both backhand and forehand with two hands. You just have to be a machine.🤝🤝
The best ever women's player, real Champion.!!! Yugoslavia!!!
This video shows in a totally funny way how Seles was simply devastating Graf's forehand. Hahahaha!
*****
Graf would've never won 22 slams if Seles had not been stabbed. Both of them may have won around 15 slams without the stabbing. Seles was clearly the dominant player in the early 90s. And this is coming from a Graf supporter.
*****
The point is that Graf wasn't a much better player than Seles which is what you probably wanted to imply by listing up their slams.
Hardy30680 I think they would have ended on more like 18/19 each. The slams that Sanchez and Hingis won would have gone to Seles.
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GeorgeHenryThomas, I have deleted about ten messages, mainly yours, once your "discussions" are without qualification.
Incredibly, the same audience against Seles as today against Novak Nothing new in the west!
Monica you are amazing
Questo match esprime alla perfezione la differenza abissale di gioco e di controllo di ogni scambio fra Monica e quella mandante di pugnalate...erano entrambi al loro apice, al loro massimo livello di gioco, eppure Monica l'ha regolata sfondandola più volte pure sul dritto...gli angoli di questa Monica, il suo rovescio e la sua grinta rimarranno eternamente indelebili...numero #1 per sempre!
Massimiliano Mariani falso : Steffi avrebbe guadagnato senza quest'errore incredibile di arbitraggio, allorché dominava l'incontro (6/4 e break !).
after this match was over, graf was interview and was asked what she will do to beat seles, she said: between the very best tennis of me and seles, seles wins hands down. And I think, if seles was not stabbed, graf slams may only be half, like between 10, 11 or 12, while seles slams are probably around 15. Graf consistent rivals in slams are Sanchez Vicario and Seles. After the stabbing, seles was never the same. Graf 22 slams will ALWAYS be tainted as: ' IN MONICA SELES ABSENCE"
an angry, bitter, in denial, pissed off grafiti fan. I have the tape from back in the day, and wont play it for you, that would be your lost. Im neither a fan of both, just stating the facts. Must be really hard to accept the fact that your player cant win until her opponent get stab. GET OVER IT ! I will repeat.....**** IN SELES ABSENCE ******
slumnote
Its hard to understand and ..to fathom that Seles has to postpone because of the stabbing..i myself still considered very well that stabbing was so fullllll of dirty trick...its not coincidental even...SOMEONE HAVE TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY ABOUT THIS..Im not said that i hate Graf..no..she just fine..but this Stabbing was so...hard to understand..
Graf already had 11 slams before Seles was stabbed and you say maybe only 10 slams which is less than she already had, LOL! Seles nutters in their stellar form as always.
slumnote WHAT are you talking about?? Steffi had alreay 11 slams when Monica was stabbed. So you say Steffi should have given back one of her trophies and not win a SINGLE ONE any more?
Bryguy Bry Seles was just performing better at GS tournaments, except Wimbledon. A number one Seles couldn’t dominate Graf, it was 3-2 for the great Graf. Seles has “zero” Wimbledon title and she couldn’t emulate Graf’s Golden Slam achievement in ‘88 even when she was number one. Pre stabbing, Graf leads head to head against Seles 6-4. Overall, it was 10-5 for the greatest female tennis player, Steffi Graf. 😀👍
Seles the sexier and better player
GRANDE MÓNICA POR SIEMPRE
Great win by number ONE Monica Seles.
You play far better when you have very good and similar strong opponents. You have to play better - so the opponent plays better, which is why you have to play better. it's like a rising circle. I think that these two legendary tennis players would have shown some unforgotten matches....only if this fucking bastard didn't have stabbed seles. respect to both of them Seles and Graf. unforgotten.
Every Generation 1 or 2 players rise up to the top of the game be it lendl-Mcenroe, Sampras-Aggasi, Nadal-Federer-Djokovic, Evert-Navritolova and the list goes on. In her short career Monica Seles, by the time she got stabbed defeated Steffi Graf 3 out of 4 consecutive slams the last one being this slam. She was clearly going to outshine Steffi and was only 20 years old with time to improve even more when she was stabbed.
Imagine Federer without a djokovic or Nadal...how many slams did those 2 stop federer from winning? What do you think would happen if Djokovic or nadal were taken out of the picture. The rivalry of her generation was taken out of the picture and she collected slams like souvenirs..ofcourse i have nothing against Steffi he was a great player but greatest of all time at that point...i dont think so... she would surely not have reached 22 slams has seles been around surely you see that
@Illya Kuryakin Seles stabbing predates her binge eating disorder...people may say it wasnt related but it was. If someone hold a gun at one's face he may get nightmare for years and affects a person psychologically indefinitely. Getting stabbed is a huge deal, eating disorder is the least i expect as a result of it. As far as death of father is concerned tennis players have lost loved ones before it didnt end their careers why should this be any different,
Djokovic didnt have a winning record against federer till very recently...a few years ago federer was ahead..now a 40 year old federer has a losing record big deal. With career this long looking at h2h is the wrong way to go. Nadal has a winning h2h because of clay he leads federer 14-2 and that is where the difference has come..djokovic might have fared slightly better but it remained lopsided in nadal's favor on clay
@Illya Kuryakin sometimes it is a wake up call for people to get their act together when someone close dies...sometimes it is a reality check...peter Carter may not be a father to federer but surely was a father figure..he said his death was a major reason he started to work harder become a better professional to honor him....people have careers...aged mothers and fathers die..no one stops living no one stops thier careers in sports or otherwise..it is the circle of life and everyone accepts it..
Monica was a major hurdle stopping her grandslam run 3 out of 4 times and she was just getting started in her career..she was proving to be better than steffi graf..why in the world do u think a german man stabed her....he wasnt a lover or a stalker..he was simply patriotic and he knew what monica's removal would mean....22 slams
At the time monica was stabbed she had won 8 slams compared to 5 of graf despite graf being at the top before seles came in..Monica had also won 3 back to back WTA FINALS compared to 1 by Graf. So you see where this was going...The rest are excuses
@Illya Kuryakin And you pick out any of the players you mention at their peaks and pair them...none of them would have gone on to win 22 slams. ..as i said each player you mentioned was part of a rivalry except serena williams..there was really something lacking in women's tennis during Serena Williams peak...that is why an Old semi retired Kim Clisters went onto beat Serena in the US open at the peak of her powers. Weak era dominated. But that is a topic for another time.
@Illya Kuryakin Court won 13 Grand Slams before open era...a lot of players werent playing...again Billie Jean and Court met in Grandslams only 3 times to my knowledge so not much of a slam h2h.
Graf as i mentioned didnot have a quality rival after Monica Seles got stabbed...im not going to repeat myself again...Monica was a better player look at the stats i have been quoting...before the stabbing Monica had won 8 slams compared to graf's 5 and won 3 wTA back to back stopping graf 3 out of 4 times in slams during that time.
The stats speak for themselves..but if you wanna deny the stats and believe something because you want to believe it then i can never beat that.
@Illya Kuryakin my dear there was no peak monica she didnt hit peak cuz she was only 3 years at top level after winning her first Grandslam...say if federer was stabbed in 2005 2006...there is no excuse or justification...u can keep throwing stats at me the fact it before she was stabbed she was stopping steffi at almost every major tournament..what steffi did in a 10 year period after tht is not in question here
Most beautiful sportstar of the world.
I would so really appreciate if you (oArEZo, or anyone who has this very good quality High Definition match) could please upload the full match from the start til the end as this one only started from the second set. Thank you so very much