The Forgotten GENIUS of how Maul Controlled the Criminal Gangs of Star Wars
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- Although Maul's criminal syndicate did eventually fall, it's still worth discussing the genius behind it and how he still controls the Pykes.
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What arc would you like to see replace this garbage one? Discuss it on my discord - discord.gg/Geetslys
Son of Dathomire or Dark Disciple
@@obi-wankenobi4337 crystal crisis
@@melancholymelon5316 The Bounty Hunter Arc
Let's be honest. Any arc would have been a better replacement
Rafa was a subpar character, but Trace was absolutely shit. I just wish they worked on their characters more, or just give Ashoka way more action scenes. I'm glad we got to see Ashoka, but I wish she got a better reintroduction into the show.
Trained by the Darth Sidious, surviving after being cut in half, and ruling all crime syndicates.
Man, Maul is underrated.
No,you are mistaken it's Plo Koon lol
The Imperial Officer I think he’s underrated but overdone... he’s been in one of the Prequels, Solo, Clone Wars (his return), then a comic of him escaping Sidious, then Clone Wars again this time, and he was in Rebels and his death... the dudes just been completely overdone in my opinion and honestly I’m not a huge maul fan so
@D T Well then YOU ARE LOST!!!!!
@@hottymcscottie6975 UM NO ITS MAUL!! GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!
And yet when Palpatine came back people called it bad story telling.
When Grievous and Palpatine went to Dathomir and killed everyone, is that what Merrin was talking about in Fallen Order?
YetiMonster1473 yes, she’s a survivor of the massacre
@@geetslys That's awesome, I love that game and especially the Dathomir chapter. Thanks for the awesome video! My dad was asking me last night why Darth Maul was there and I knew he had control of the Pikes but I wasn't sure how.
YetiMonster1473 Palpatine wasn’t involved Grievous and the droid army did the job
Reference: clone wars s04 episode massacre
No not exactly Merrin was referring to the massacre that happened in season 4 in the episode "Massacre" where Grievous and the droid armies wiped out the Nightsister clans.
Geetsly's I thought that Merrin was referring to the Droid attack on Dathomir in S4 of The Clone Wars
What can you say? Palpatine taught him well. I can see why he thought losing maul was a great lost. If he wasn’t defeated by obi-wan and if Anakin wasn’t a more powerful candidate, he probably would have been the one to rule along side Palpatine instead.
JK Network Ehh. Maul was trained only as an assassin - he never had the temperament for a true Sith Lord, and he was never trained as one either. Anakin was always the plan.
General Grievous1138 in legends- which can always be changed now (unfortunately). So what he is saying isn’t impossible.
being gay is not normal Sidious trained him while still Plagueis' apprentice, and furthermore he was only trained as an assassin, not in the techniques of a Sith Lord. Thus, he is not a Sith Lord.
General Grievous1138 and as I said before, that is no longer cannon. In fact I’m pretty sure it is confirmed cannon that Plagueis was dead before Phantom Menace, which was changed from Legends.
Lego Gamer5502 We don't do canon here. This is a Legends channel, which works in Canon where it fits.
“Tres Martez is quite possibly a murderer now”
Uh yeah, she murdered this arc much earlier
Not a bad arc,the season needed to be much longer,12 episode's won't do well
Sha Kaw I agree, it wasn’t horrible. My 2 biggest dissatisfactions were 1.) no lightsabers and 2.) Tres in the first 2 episodes
@@Mattropolis97 And more action of course:0
I wasn't paying attention who's named who but I liked how the younger sister asked "Are you saying this is my fault?!"
I imagine the collective brain tumor the audience gained just wanted to choke her and say "YES THIS IS YOUR FAULT FOR DUMPING THE SPICE"
MountainFox51 The fact that you can’t remember who they are further shows just how insignificant they are imo
It’s a shame Son of Dathomir was cut from season 6 but I’m still happy we got the story regardless. It was awesome to see Maul and his former Master go back and forth anticipating one another. There’re still years of his life as a crime lord unexplored so I hope we get to see something in the future. Especially how he wound up stuck on Malachor.
@Gaius Wyrden disney should have done 2 seasons. The writers had the last 2 seasons planned with the 3 arcs we got in seasons 7 as well as the son of dathomir, a bad batch on keshyek, the dark disciple, a Boba fett vs cad bane arc, and a obi wan anakin focused one vs general grievous
@Gaius Wyrden idk how we got one of the worst arcs of all of the ones possible to be made. I mean from all the cancelled arcs, why did we get the Martez sisters, lacking budget or something? I get you need to have Ahsoka change her mind about the jedi before Mandalore but 4 episodes of absolute dogshit is way too much. Even Bad Batch arc was way too drawn out
We really need to see A full on Maul's ressurrected Criminal empire at the Times of Sidious
4 more episodes left and the clone wars will be gone, just like that.
It came back and now will be gone so fast
Years of academy waiting, wasted
😞
sad when u put it like that :c
NOLOAF just a few years ago it wasn’t even suppose to come back in the first place
I hope we get to hear the Duel of Fates music when Ahsoka fights Maul
KORRA!
@@geetslys nah, nah, it's more like "KORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
And I HOPE Darth Maul wins! preferably easily.
@@verpen8108 It'll be a tie
@@verpen8108 that would be stupid. The last lightsaber duel of this amazing series to be a one-sided jobber match? Fuck that.
I just wish we got all the season 7 arcs instead of 4 episodes of ahsokas running around with a bunch of nobodies.
Bunch of fools*
They couldn’t put dark disciple of son of dathomir in bec of the licensing issues...
@@rvhw3466 I get that but others ones would have been better. The Ashoka arc isn't the worst we have ever seen but it's needs a lot of improvements. Ashoka's secret when revealed just gets pushed aside in the end like nothing even changes is my biggest problem with it. I still think Ezra is worse then Trace thought.
@@rvhw3466 How so? Dark Disciple is still a Clone Wars story that was made years prior to the show getting cancelled. They could've still produced that arc. It's all under the same company. It's just that Dave doesn't want to do anymore episodes, he's officially stated that. Look up "IGN No More Clone Wars".
Vandicoup the publishers probably didn’t give the rights to make it into episodes. Dark Horse was the publishing company that published Son of Dathomir and Del Rey published Dark Disciple. Neither are owned by Disney as far as I can tell.
Maul's take over of Mandalore was not entirely his genius. The way he engineered the conflict, playing both sides of a war he started. Its just a mini version of the purge and order 66 which had a thousand years of Sith planning and preparation to back it up
As an Agent of Destruction, he did pull it off....
“The Sith control everything. You just don’t know it.”
" Palpatine smiles gently your way...."
Sons of Dathomir and Dark disciple should have been made for tv. So good
Casual viewer: I’m so excited what will Palpatine do with Maul. Season 7: WTF? Nothing
Right? Lol
He killed Mother Talzin by using Maul as bait
the quote "so close but yet so far" perfectly sums up mauls life. When he lost to obi wan he was so close to becoming so much more but yet so far as to where he could be beaten by obi wan. he tried recruiting pirates. he got a few on his side (so close) but eventually got pushed back and betrayed (so far). He became more powerful than he ever had been (so close) yet him and his monster of a brother were easily crushed by the likes of lord sideous (so far). He tried creating the shadow collective. got mandalore and a bunch of power and was so close to where he was creating his own side in the clone wars, but so far as to where sideous and the seperatists could crush him. He tried getting revenge on kenobi and got him alone on mandalore and even killed the love of his life (so close) but obi wan was broken out before he could exact revenge (so far). He tried getting anakin and obi wan on mandalore and successfully got the jedi and the republic's attention and got the PADAWAN of anakin (so close) but didn't get kenobi or skywalker to mandalore (so far). he tried to restore the shadow collective by creating crimson dawn (so close) but it never lived up to the reputation of the shadow collective (so far). he tried getting ezra to activate that death weapon on malacore and successfully made him tap into the darkside (so close) but it didnt work out for him in the end (so far). he tried finally getting revenge on obi wan, and tracked him to tattooine where he confronted him (so close) but was finally defeated by obi wan for good (so far). maul's life has been filled with being so close but being yet so far. I kinda feel bad for the guy. every glimmer of hope is just crushed. if i'm missing any examples of maul getting so close but yet so far, let me know. Mauls life has always been so close to something great, yet so far away it pains.
Ironic but not surprising that the best episode of the arc is the one where the sisters leave
Still pissed that they didn’t animate son of dathomir in the clone wars it would’ve been one of the shows best arcs
The comic was , like, sad.....
Maul's " Master/ father," killed his brother...
Then Maul's Mother gives her life to buy time to save her Son's Life....
No wonder Maul was a mental wreak in " Rebels."
I am left wondering why Maul didn't try to find Force sensitive children and raised them in the Nightsisters' strong hold Cave of Spirits. Oh, look .. pirates strong in the Force,
" I know a.., Place.. where you can breed a child that will become Powerful in the Force."
New host bodies for the souls of the Nightsisters can live in.
Really, that Pike Boss looks like he just came back from his Hawaii vacation.
Why didn't Maul out Sidious as the sith lord to the jedi? He clearly knew the plan of the clone wars because he mentions that they had begun without him.
Like the ignorent Jedi would EVER trust a former Sith. Get Real buddy even with all the evidence they’d never believe him nor listen to him they’d just lock him up or kill him. I’m pretty sure Papiltine would never let him get close to Coresiuant. Plus Maul Hates Jedi with a burning passion he’d rather see them dead. He’d never save them not in a million years.
Maul hates the jedi as much as sidious does and sidious and the war he planned creates chaos which allows maul to do what he was doing. If he outed him then the war would probs be over much sooner and the jedi would then focus on stopping maul instead.
But if Maul was to out sidious the clone wars would continue, but with Dooku as the master. Wouldn't this cause both sides to suffer and Maul could still rise.
What if Maul didn't know Sidious and Palpatine was the same person ?
Palpatine was using Sith magic to hide in plan sight .
kris palermo I think he did know because when savage mentions the clone wars maul says so it has begun without him. Showing he knew Sidious had a planned the clone wars
I wish they made more episodes including Maul and Talzin Vs Darth Sideous,Count Dooku and Greaves and also the Ventress and quilon Vos story they are all so good in my opinion!
The comic left me crying, but a cartoon of it , please. ....
Talzin acting as a shield to buy Maul time to escape was heart rending. No wonder the mandalorians stuck by Maul. Mandalorians have a strong sense of family unity and so do the Nightbrothers and Sisters, till the end.
As for " Greaves," dam he has plot armor, if he was messed up by Mace Windo force choking him why oh why did not Maul or the nightsisters do the same to him.
Everyone says that during these episodes the Battle of Courascaunt is happening (sorry for bad spelling). However, I honestly believe that the whole of Episode 3 takes place starting with episode 9 of this arc. In E9 of the arc, Anikan and the 501st are assigned the Siege of Mandalore, but he is called back to save the Chancellor. Then, by the end of episode 10, Grievous is dead on Utupau, and Order 66 is being enacted. That leaves episodes 11 and 12 to talk about that aftermath and figure out where to go from there.
This is all my opinion of course as at the time of this comment the last 4 episodes aren’t out yet. But it does make sense, considering that if the BoC was happening during the arc of episodes 5-8, as has been suggested, then they couldn’t have gotten to and from Courscant so easily.
Bro I just want to see Grievous become a Jedi killer and Mauls escape
Or how about seeing them fight?
seeing him kidnap the chancellor and kill jedi and clones on the battle of coruscant would be absolutely invaluable to making him actually comparable to legends and would be a direct tie in to revenge of the sith
Only 12 episodes. Season 7 was the biggest let down in my opinion because I was expecting something longer. :(
When you said Maul would almost definitely kill Marg Krim and the other Pyke leaders I don't think that would be possible considering Marg Krim and almost all the Pyke chapters were killed in Dark Disciple when Black Sun besieged Oba Diah so the Ahsoka arc in this season has to take place before that novel.
Here's what I think:
This arc takes place concurrently with Son of Dathomir but before the Pykes leave the syndicate so that means that after the episode "Together again" (the final episode of this arc) the final part of Son of Dathomir happens and the Pykes leave the collective and then the Siege of Mandalore happens.
So what I'm saying is that there's quite a lot between this arc and siege of Mandalore.
Sith *PreTenDErs?!* - HoW dArE yOU ?!!?
For real it's like he calls Maul a Sith pretender at every opportunity he talks about him.
@@Ray-fk4vh its unfair!
This outrageous it's unfair! How can you be trained as a Sith since a baby until being 22 years and still only be a SIth Pretender ?
Considering he was given the name Darth Maul by becoming Darth Sidious' apprentice, he's no pretender. Savage Oppress never got the title or a new name, so pretender he is.
Ahsokas walkabout arc: ends
Me: I've been looking forward to this!
I always found it interesting how loyal the death watch was to maul. Most others would have cut and run as soon as his luck turned but they stood by him until the shadow collectives total downfall
Only 4 more episodes? Damn, I would've loved to have seen the Bad Batch Kashyyyk arc and the Boba vs Cad arc..
Maul reason for creating a Shadow collective & crimson Dawn is too build a empire and build up enough resources and power to try to take the Galaxy away from his old master Darth Sidious ...but in the end he fails at that
Thank you so much for this video. I knew the Ahsoka arc had to either take place during or after the son of dathomir comic and also be before the dark disciple novel. This helps clear it up. Marg Krib dies in dark disciple so this arc takes place before that but the pykes left maul in some of dathomir. I figured maul just threatened them to come work with him again.
This is Canon for me! I hope that Son of Dathomir is somehow one day turned into actually episodes! I really want to see Grievous, Dooku, Maul, and Sidious on screen together!
I love how Maul is basically the Star Wars godfather of the crime syndicates
Finally someone covered this !
Since we saw maul in solo, that means his criminal organization was still operational after order 66 right?
Yes, we can roughly say that his Crimson Dawn lasted about 15 years, at the least.
Great Video!
In-depth analysis
And on point
If Maul who has had years of sith training is a sith pretender then Rey is no Jedi for she never trained in the Jedi ways. Maul is and always will be a true Sith Lord.
no one ever said rey was a real jedi tho
@@Nate-mq4rh Episode 8 is called the Last Jedi and Luke pretty much calls her that when he fights Kylo and while Rey is lifting up a couple of boulders which is suppose to signify how she is a worthy Jedi. The Jedi force Ghost in episode 9 all pretty much call her a Jedi acting as if she's one of them. Pretty much every comic and book set after episode 8 directly or indirectly calls Rey a Jedi.
What do you mean Sith Pretenders, they weren’t pretending why they used Sith power and they weren’t pretending when they killed the Duchess!
There are only 2 sith and the titles were held by sidious and tyrannus. Whilst maul held the darth title he was replaced which meant his legitimacy was removed and so they are technically pretenders.
Tyrone Joseph This is true. But honestly I don’t know if I can ever consider Dooku a Sith, he was just a political puppet, hell he even risked the rise of the Sith by telling Obi wan the truth of a Sith Lord in control of the republic. He’s more dark Jedi who got taught lightning by a Sith to me
Maul was more of a derange crime lord with Force powers.
a.) Maul did know how to read/ write in Sith.
b.) Maul in Legends did know how to cast a few Sith magic spells/ rituals.
What separates a Sith Acolyte , Sith master, and a Sith Lord ?
i.) A master without an apprentice is a master of nothing.
ii.) Maul built his crime empire following the lessons he learn from his master and Sith holocrons as a child/ young adult. Maul was following the ways of the ancient Sith Lords/ masters.
" Maul was following the Ways of the Sith, there for Maul was a Sith."
As for Ban's " Rule of Two " being a Sith Lord, well he would have to kill his master first.
The only reason he was always quoting the " Rule of Two," was cause he was brain washed into it as a child and through his anger he drew strength....
Clone Wars : Maul Hates....
a.) Kenobi for defeating him.
b.) Hates himself for being careless enough to let Kenobi defeat him.
c.) Left on a scrap planet alone for years.
d.) Fail his master in being soo easily defeat by a Jedi he just over come.
Here is the sad part, Maul built his crime empire to earn his master/ father approval only to see his brother get cut down.
Even in KOTOR every Sith or darkside has nearly the same flaw that keeps them from being a true Sith, a true follower of the Darkside. They care enough for another person to let themselves be defeated or allow themselves to die for another's befit.....
A true Sith only cares about their own power and the increasing of their own power only.
As for Sith Lord this and Sith Lord that, it is all a crap throwing contest of keyboard warriors.
@@brettzky183 Huh? Every apprentice is a political tool that's half the point. Why would Dooku being exactly what a Sith apprentice is make him not a Sith apprentice?
I only want to see my boi Grievous again 😭
If one lost shipment could bring them down, then I have to wonder how much power they currently have. Sounds like they didn't have the credits to cover it if it was a question of life or death.
9:03 well I mean and she shot some people
Geetsly’s didn’t even mention Palpatine using Maul’s stealth ship, man... he’s slackin’!
Woah woah woah woah. "Sith pretenders?"
Man if only if this season were longer,and maybe we could have gotten that Maul arc
The battle of dathamear needs to be a stand alone movie
I do love this Season of the clone wars I wish they could done more episodes like all of the unfinished episodes to be animated for the season.
How can Starwars be such a staple in modern film & culture yet contain such horrible storytelling... these last 3 episodes were so painful to watch as a fan.
pointless episodes they were just running around the prison doing laps...did anyone tell them this is the last season for christ sake
Disney just wanted to do the least amount of effort and try to win back fans trust.
I theorize that if Sidious never went to Mandalore and capture Maul, then his criminal empire would’ve prospered without the Seperatists interfering and Savage Opress would still be alive, until the Galactic Empire came and and Sidious would’ve sent Darth Vader to deal with them.
wow i never would have thought grevieous would defeat maul in a duel :O
This would of been such a good arch UGH
I used to be just a movie scrub. Then I finally watched Clone Wars and Rebels and now I want to dive all the way into canon. Where should I start reading?
Son of Dathomir because its the first canon comic to exist
Darth Maul, from Sith Apprentice, to Star Wars's Kingpin.
I don't get why the pykes need the spice so bad - can't they just pay it off or mine some more?
8:52 not necessarily true, the cost of that shipment could easily be covered by the Pykes. Companies have to use their own money to cover lost or damaged product all the time. They cared so much because their reputation is at stake.
If the Pykes and Black Sun went to war with each other than maybe the Pykes went to Maul for help
Part of me wishes that the Clone Wars was a 3 way war between the Republic, CIS, and the Shadow Collective
He really knows how to scrap together an army huh?
Itd be cool to hear about crimson dawn in the book of boba fett, maybe he was the one that dismantled them and put jabba back on top
Liked the Crimson Dawn Reference
If these got to be made into episodes they would’ve been a masterpiece
Here's an idea for the video for episode 9 of season 7 based on a theory I had for what's going to happen.
In the season 7 trailer, we see a battle involving Obi-Wan and presumably Anakin leading Jet Troopers against some Separatist Droid forces, then considering we have that scene where Anakin asks Rex why he called them back to the ship to reveal Ahsoka and Bo-Katan, it's most likely at the relative start of episode 9 Obi-Wan and Anakin will be involved in a battle before coming to meet Ahsoka. If that's the case the battle may be the Third Battle of Tythe, which from what I heard in Legends was what Obi-Wan and Anakin were doing right before episode 3. If this will, in fact, be Tythe, then maybe you could consider doing a video on the battle for the next video?
Of course, that's just a theory, the writers could choose another battle that happened right before episode 3, like Cato Nemodia or even make a whole new battle.
Sorry but you said that maul is a Sith pretender in this video. I’m just going to correct you as we all know that Dooku, is the real Sith pretender.
This would of been great to see in a clone wars arc
I just wish the circular episode 7 didnt exist and was subbed for more siege of mandalor content
It starts with them being imprisoned then 20 mins of bad character development then theyre captured again
Love it
Dryden Vos: Lord Maul, we-
Maul: “holds out ring finger and Dryden kisses it”
Dryden Vos: This is a simple misunderstanding.
Maul: You come to me the day my brother is to be married?
Or:
Maul: Who am I?
Jabba: You’re the man who killed Pre Viszla.
Maul: Say my name.
Jabba: Maul.
Maul: You’re god damn right.
Hi Geetsly's,
I was wondering if it was possible for someone to turn back to the light side as a result of a form of 'torture'
Prehaps this is a bad idea. But could you guys see of you could collab with a bunch of other Star Wars UA-camrs it doesn't matter if they focus on gaming, lore, books, art or even meme's as long have a opinion/exprience they want to share. And make a vid were you all talk about you're personal favorite, Most hated and best moments in all of Star wars and also why you keep coming back. I would enjoy listening to people talk about their memories of Star wars and remenis with them.
I'm not pretentending I know how hard it is to be a UA-camr or how hard it is to for fill this request of mine and I already apreciate someone, anyone reading my rambling. Thanks for your time keep up the great work. And may force be with you all.
Forgotten? That the first thing I think then I heard about a new clone wars season.
Son of Dathomir is the best arc that we wont see
Lock and loaded * 2mins later gets force choked by palpatine with one hand *
Correct me if this is wrong, but I wasn't surprised or confused to see maul. After watching the movie, Solo, I was under the impression that Maul had ties to the criminal world and smuggling. Didn't have to read the comic mentioned in the vid to make that connection.
I really hate how they had a different voice actor for Palpatine later on in the show. The original voice actor was just so good!
The original voice actor died...
How about we got that comic as an entire season of the clone wars. It looks good.
I kind of felt like this arc could have been 2 episodes and it would've done the same thing.
honestly, if the sequels didnt stop star wars future story, i think we might see several factions fighting eachother based on the ones we've already witnessed. The Republic will try to rebuild itself, but the curroption will still eat at it, the sepratists will reform due to different ideals, but with new toys. A new empire might rise again to challenge them, but their control will be based on assertiveness. The rebels might become zealous against all factions, meaning the republic and sepratists see them as a threat. So we might see these factions fight one another due to the past forming opinions based on experience, star wars will never know peace.
For some reason it says there's no views and yet there's 7 likes
Are dooku and grievous even going to appear on season 7?
Well now I have to read son ofdathomir!!
The Pike king is kida sypathic to me
Never read son of dathomir but I watch many MANY!!!! youtube videos covering. At times I wish maul joined forces with the jedi
What would be great
A Maul Crime Empire TV Show
I'm no rabid maul fan or anything, but I'm pretty sure Maul is not a sith pretender. He was the dark lord of the sith, wasn't he?
Anyways, good video.
I never forgot he was intelligent. He was always more inventive than Sideous gave him credit for.
Maul was arguably the smartest of the Sith, or at least just as smart as Sidious. But unlike Sidious, Maul never underestimated his enemies, not since Obi-Wan and later Sidious defeated him.
Mandos are the best things that have ever existed in Star Wars.
i was looking for this
It looks like at some point Maul was able to bring the collective back together from hiwbthe last arc went
For the last video how was the republic successful?
I think Maul's story could have been animated before the showdown
Thought it was stated in the episode where maul would send the black son to replace them?
I think it would be great for us adults however the SOD arc is not for children.
Too much screaming in pain and death. A true war horror story taking place within the space of the stars.
Why does mauls new lightsaber have that thingy at the one end?
I'm wondering if the spice that the sisters stole will play a role as well
i think maul had more fun as the space godfather than as a sith lord
I’m wondering just how the pykes rejoined maul. They left in SoD, so I what to know what happened there.
All but exterminated the Night Brothers. Yet, by the events of SW Jedi: Fallen Order, the Night Brothers don't seem to have issues with their numbers. (Without any "available" Night Sister either.)
What the hell happened?
Perhaps Maul punished the Pykes, but at least we know Marg Krim survived.
"If you haven't read son of dathomir you are doing something wrong" Or maybe I haven't heard of it bud.
Maul killing Pykes because Trace dumped their spice doesn't make her a murderer. What a silly thing to say.
1:13 sith pretenders 😂 you mean count doku right Darth maul is a true sith Lord.
Nabil Ahmad Maul wasn’t actually a Sith Lord he was only an assassin
@@ryneclark2622 No dude that was just a cover story Palpatine gave Plagueis to keep his guard down. Palpatine took him in as an official apprentice and gave him the title "Lord Maul" in the Phantom menace
@@ryneclark2622 he wanted to make maul to a sith lord after he kills plagueis but that never happend because sidios thinked he died