Here in Virginia, I tried to get registered as a motorcycle (66 cc) but, as I had assembled the bike myself, they'd send an inspector around to check it out for a fee of $142. So I'm still known as the Backroads Bandit around here.
Thanks for the video 👍Well as the only one to have crossed the country on a motorized bicycle. I can tell you ,you where wrong about most of the things you covered. I rode interstates, highways, turn pikes , causeway bridges, freeways , and bike paths . The only thing that a cop ever asked me after 8000 miles of touring was "why is the motor so small " . I love to hear grown mens fear of riding a motorized bicycle. I can't wait to do the GDMBR on a motorized bicycle. Probably going to do the east coast next year Florida to Maine or circumnavigate the state of Florida same miles. I do a trip every 2 years.
Thank you dude it's great to find someone that actually truly has experience and traveling cross country With a motorized bicycle and not having any issues I've been worried about this very same thing and I've been unsure because I don't want to cause any trouble. I want to keep that perfect record. Because I can't raise a family without it. And it seems like with all these regulations and stuff. It makes it nearly impossible. I mean That even a car has less regulations and Restriction The only requirements. you need A car license. even Though The most causes of accidents That also leads to death and the most recklness and Reckless drivers is always a car. It just doesn't make no sense It's already a hassle enough just to try to get your Licenses. Especially when you want to drive just a motorcycle not a car. because in my state you have to take both car Written test and driving test And motorcycle driving test and written tests at the same time. Before you are actually able to get your license even though they are completely 2 separate different tests For 2 different types of vehicles. that are complete opposite for each other. Especially when you have no intentions of driving a car. I mean what's the point of having to take a Car test and driving test. if your are not driving a car. But just a Motorcycle I wish that it was optional. If you're going to Only drive a motorcycle that you should just take the motorcycle Britain and driving test and That's it And if you're going to Only drive a car then then take the written and driving tests of a car. Especially when I have no plans of driving a car or even take getting a license for a car that are complete opposite form each other. And it just becomes such a hassle It's just not worth trying Don't get me on the topic of the DMV that is beyond Hell on Earth And unlike most places the DMV that Im near it takes about 10 hours before you even get to be served to take your Written test . even if the testing room is empty You still cannot go in. until they call your number And most people that are at the DMV are just getting new I d's or just renewing their driver license. That's what causes most Of the waiting. And most of those people are not even taking a test And when you think finally you are about to go take your written testing. Then You're told to leave because they're closing And you have to come back another week from now and wait another 10 to 15 hours and it doesn't even guarantee that you'll even can get to do your test Simply because you don't have time. And Because it simply takes too long to do it even if no one's in the testing room. Though you see what I mean It's just purely unnecessary and it's not worth the hard work and labor especially when you get nowhere. So I've been trying to look for other options That doesn't require you to have a driver's license for both vehicles but seems like there is no avoiding it. And there's no hope For me. I'm Do beyond my best to follow the law And I want to keep it that way but sadly it seems like I get punished for trying to obey All for something that may never even happen. That might even take you an entire year to get done. I just feel so hopeless and defeated.?😣😒😮💨 But think goodness there is some that's a relief
I have talked to the DMV in my state and you can have an engine on your bike and you can run what you want as long as the pedals are still on the bike and functional.
Luckily here in Tennessee it's legal and besides they would have no clue what to give you a ticket for either lol. Fortunately 50 cc's are aesthetically identical to the rest for the most part. T.C.A. code 55-8-101, no gears, 50cc under 😉& classifies a motorized bicycle exempt as a motorized vehicle and is its own separate classification, not a moped or motor driven cycle. All three of those have separate classifications here in Tennessee.
Interesting! Good to know. And agreed no one is going to pop off the jug and measure the displacement if it looks like a 50cc engine. Although, I did recently see someone on the motorized bike builders facebook group that had a 50cc sticker on a predator 212 and somehow passed registration in North Carolina. That made me laugh.
Police here where I’m at are just looking for Law breakers and dangerous riders an driver’s! The stupid ones thin their selfs out every day on the news 🗞️ Most Bicyclists i see here ride like their bulletproof but end up like the roadkill around here ! The business people doing business while driving home are the ones that have tried to kill me on the road.
there is almost no point to build a motorized bicycle, our government makes it almost impossible to legally ride a motorized bicycle. after doing all of this your 200-300$ bike is almost double the price after insurance, registration, and everything else. "Free country" SMH
I have done at lot of research on Idaho Law. Oddly, AI, like Google's Bard or Chat GPT will answer most questions for each state. Yeah, most states are kind of arbitrary, and it does depend on the city, county, and if your officer has had a bad day. Actually, DMV, in Idaho doesn't want to have anything to do with mopeds, they don't want to be bothered. If it doesn't have a VIN, they don't want to see you. However, if you want to apply for a VIN ($75) and sign a sworn statement that your home-built 2 wheeler meets Fed standards, have at it.
In Illinois a motorized bicycle is not the same as a moped. You don't need a drivers license or plate or registration just to be 16 years old.. 50cc and top speed of 20 operable pedals and a speedometer are all that is required beyond normal requirements for all bicycles. We can use manual clutch but no changing of gears is allowed it must be single speed for the motor. Automatic tranny is for mopeds. Motorized bicycles are required to have operable pedals but mopeds are not. You need a DL to ride a moped but no license is needed to ride a motorized bicycle here they are commonly called DUI bikes because you can ride one if you lost your license due to DUI. Mopeds require insurance but not motorized bicycles same for registration. However, a nearby city requires registration of motorized bicycles but it only applys to residents and not people just riding there. Except installing a speedometer a kit should be perfectly legal. Googles AI is broken and can not be trusted look at the actual laws. I've looked at multiple "google questions" and they were 90% wrong. Even stating that we need an M1 endorsment on our license to ride a motorcycle. We don't even have an M1 endorsement we have a class L for 150cc and below and 16 year olds and a class M for 18 year old and over and covers all displacements. And your very first source is wrong and so is your second I have posted a reply on that forum correcting their mistakes. Illinois law actually states a motorized bicycle is NOT a motor vehicle.
California says: 4hp or less, 30mph top speed, must have pedals and a automatic transmission, ( no manual clutch or shift gears) you get a lifetime plate, no renewal or insurance and no inspection, you self certify. all for $25. You must then have a M2 motorcycle endorsement on drivers license.
@@shithead In California they have M1 and M2 endorsements, the M1 allows you to ride anything with 2 wheels regardless of size or cc's. The M2 only allows you to operate a motorized bicycle, moped or a scooter or anything less than 150cc's. A normal Class "C" license allows you to operate a motorcycle with a side car or any three wheeled bikes.
@@shithead Yes, they are. But one good thing is you get a legal plate for life (no renewals) for $25, you self certify, no inspection. You do all by mail, way better than the states that still have the silly 49cc or less rule, and a inspection.
In Texas 27mph max speed and 1.95hp 49cc engines I'm pretty sure that my minaralli hybrid engine and my yd100 engine and phantom engine all fall under the against the law here but as long as you go 27mph when you go by the police they don't say anything just like when you have a dodge charger with a skat pack they know that car can fly and if you open it up in front of them they will give you a ticket but as long as you drive it when you go past them they don't care about it you ought to see what the cops have down here especially the hwy patrol officers lol be safe brother and thanks for the knowledge I'll say one thing these people getting them flying down the road over the speed limit and driving the wrong way is going to get us all in trouble
In my town, the cops wont mess with you as long as you arent doing wheelies or running red lights. Which you shouldnt do anyway! I was told directly by a cop, that they will never pull over a motorized bicycle here in kansas. Kansas law is- not over 30mph, no helmet required, and have pedals, no public trails, you stated up to 130 cc but ive havent seen that. Georgia- must be a bicycle frame, no cc limit, helmet required, must obey all traffic signs and signals, ie hazard and stop lights, and road rules. You can also argue that you have a right to travel and even public enforcement, aka police cant impede your right!
I just wanna know have you went to CoOp or Tractor Supply an buy some of the biggest wire ties you can find and make your own plastic chains? They work in snow and ice and any off road situations here that I’ve ran across ❤warm that baby up before launching out onto the snow flats 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🏍️
I haven't looked into a fat tire conversion with plastic chains. I do have a studded nokian 26" tire for the rear that does fairly well, but I do prefer the clutch engagement speed of the 20 inch. Admittedly, it's now below 0F most of the time here and that makes me not want to spend much time outside despite the traction issues.
@@pulsar2121 frost bite can be a pain everywhere, have almost lost fingers and a few toes. Dry ice 🧊 burns as a child taught me cold 🥶 can burn 🔥 too! Stay warm and stay safe…
Unnecessary to register in California, and they are legal as is (49cc), but I opted to register my bike as a MOPED. 26 bucks. Got a license plate too. As a moped I can run bigger engines. My 2 cents. Great work, now let's put the whole country, state by state guide together.
It is necessary to register. They did away with the 49cc rule. This was an old law. It is now based on horsepower and speed rating (4hp max and only 30mph). A motorized bicycle in CA IS a moped by the law. Anything bigger than 150cc is considered a motorcycle and needs to be registered as such... don't think any cops will pull you over for it, but they can.
@@CuddlyJon Could give me this new law#? Old one says: (CVC §§5030-5039) Motorized bicycles (mopeds) must be licensed before they are operated or moved "UPON A HIGHWAY"...
sadly it needs to have a plate you need a license and you need to be 16 which really sucks havent gotten pulled over yet i dont fall into any of those categories
Look, as long as you're not being an a%&hole, you're staying out of the way of traffic (not including freeways , turnpikes and expressways) the cops aren't going to bother with you in most cases. So in closing, can you get a ticket yes, but in reality will you get a ticket? Probably not.
Here in Virginia, I tried to get registered as a motorcycle (66 cc) but, as I had assembled the bike myself, they'd send an inspector around to check it out for a fee of $142. So I'm still known as the Backroads Bandit around here.
Register is as a moped.
I'm east bound and down brother.......
I'm in VA as well and I'm not gonna do any of that because it's just a damn bicycle with a little bitty weed eater motor.
Thanks for the video 👍Well as the only one to have crossed the country on a motorized bicycle. I can tell you ,you where wrong about most of the things you covered. I rode interstates, highways, turn pikes , causeway bridges, freeways , and bike paths . The only thing that a cop ever asked me after 8000 miles of touring was "why is the motor so small " .
I love to hear grown mens fear of riding a motorized bicycle.
I can't wait to do the GDMBR on a motorized bicycle. Probably going to do the east coast next year Florida to Maine or circumnavigate the state of Florida same miles. I do a trip every 2 years.
Thank you dude it's great to find someone that actually truly has experience and traveling cross country With a motorized bicycle and not having any issues I've been worried about this very same thing and I've been unsure because I don't want to cause any trouble.
I want to keep that perfect record. Because I can't raise a family without it.
And it seems like with all these regulations and stuff. It makes it nearly impossible.
I mean That even a car has less regulations and Restriction The only requirements.
you need A car license.
even Though The most causes of accidents That also leads to death and the most recklness and Reckless drivers is always a car.
It just doesn't make no sense
It's already a hassle enough just to try to get your Licenses. Especially when you want to drive just a motorcycle not a car.
because in my state you have to take both car Written test and driving test And motorcycle driving test and written tests at the same time.
Before you are actually able to get your license even though they are completely 2 separate different tests
For 2 different types of vehicles.
that are complete opposite for each other.
Especially when you have no intentions of driving a car.
I mean what's the point of having to take a Car test and driving test. if your are not driving a car. But just a Motorcycle
I wish that it was optional. If you're going to Only drive a motorcycle that you should just take the motorcycle Britain and driving test
and That's it
And if you're going to Only drive a car then then take the written and driving tests of a car.
Especially when I have no plans of driving a car or even take getting a license for a car
that are complete opposite form
each other.
And it just becomes such a hassle It's just not worth trying
Don't get me on the topic of the DMV that is beyond Hell on Earth
And unlike most places the DMV that Im near it takes about 10 hours before you even get to be served to take your Written test . even if the testing room is empty You still cannot go in.
until they call your number
And most people that are at the DMV are just getting new I d's or just renewing their driver license. That's what causes most Of the waiting.
And most of those people are not even taking a test
And when you think finally you are about to go take your written testing.
Then You're told to leave because they're closing And you have to come back another week from now and wait another 10 to 15 hours and it doesn't even guarantee that you'll even can get to do your test Simply because you don't have time. And Because it simply takes too long to do it even if no one's in the testing room.
Though you see what I mean It's just purely unnecessary and it's not worth the hard work and labor especially when you get nowhere.
So I've been trying to look for other options That doesn't require you to have a driver's license for both vehicles but seems like there is no avoiding it. And there's no hope
For me. I'm Do beyond my best to follow the law And I want to keep it that way but sadly it seems like I get punished for trying to obey
All for something that may never even happen. That might even take you an entire year to get done.
I just feel so hopeless and defeated.?😣😒😮💨
But think goodness there is some that's a relief
I have talked to the DMV in my state and you can have an engine on your bike and you can run what you want as long as the pedals are still on the bike and functional.
What state is that?
Yes what state please.
Luckily here in Tennessee it's legal and besides they would have no clue what to give you a ticket for either lol. Fortunately 50 cc's are aesthetically identical to the rest for the most part. T.C.A. code 55-8-101, no gears, 50cc under 😉& classifies a motorized bicycle exempt as a motorized vehicle and is its own separate classification, not a moped or motor driven cycle. All three of those have separate classifications here in Tennessee.
Interesting! Good to know. And agreed no one is going to pop off the jug and measure the displacement if it looks like a 50cc engine. Although, I did recently see someone on the motorized bike builders facebook group that had a 50cc sticker on a predator 212 and somehow passed registration in North Carolina. That made me laugh.
Police here where I’m at are just looking for Law breakers and dangerous riders an driver’s! The stupid ones thin their selfs out every day on the news 🗞️ Most Bicyclists i see here ride like their bulletproof but end up like the roadkill around here ! The business people doing business while driving home are the ones that have tried to kill me on the road.
i live in Tennessee too. you deserve more likes, thank you
@@JamesPiccone can confirm, rode past 5 cops now. No one is pulling me over. I gotta weed wacker engine on mine
Same for Illinois.
there is almost no point to build a motorized bicycle, our government makes it almost impossible to legally ride a motorized bicycle. after doing all of this your 200-300$ bike is almost double the price after insurance, registration, and everything else. "Free country" SMH
I have done at lot of research on Idaho Law. Oddly, AI, like Google's Bard or Chat GPT will answer most questions for each state. Yeah, most states are kind of arbitrary, and it does depend on the city, county, and if your officer has had a bad day. Actually, DMV, in Idaho doesn't want to have anything to do with mopeds, they don't want to be bothered. If it doesn't have a VIN, they don't want to see you. However, if you want to apply for a VIN ($75) and sign a sworn statement that your home-built 2 wheeler meets Fed standards, have at it.
In Illinois a motorized bicycle is not the same as a moped.
You don't need a drivers license or plate or registration just to be 16 years old.. 50cc and top speed of 20 operable pedals and a speedometer are all that is required beyond normal requirements for all bicycles.
We can use manual clutch but no changing of gears is allowed it must be single speed for the motor.
Automatic tranny is for mopeds.
Motorized bicycles are required to have operable pedals but mopeds are not.
You need a DL to ride a moped but no license is needed to ride a motorized bicycle here they are commonly called DUI bikes because you can ride one if you lost your license due to DUI.
Mopeds require insurance but not motorized bicycles same for registration. However, a nearby city requires registration of motorized bicycles but it only applys to residents and not people just riding there.
Except installing a speedometer a kit should be perfectly legal. Googles AI is broken and can not be trusted look at the actual laws.
I've looked at multiple "google questions" and they were 90% wrong.
Even stating that we need an M1 endorsment on our license to ride a motorcycle. We don't even have an M1 endorsement we have a class L for 150cc and below and 16 year olds and a class M for 18 year old and over and covers all displacements.
And your very first source is wrong and so is your second I have posted a reply on that forum correcting their mistakes.
Illinois law actually states a motorized bicycle is NOT a motor vehicle.
California says: 4hp or less, 30mph top speed, must have pedals and a automatic transmission, ( no manual clutch or shift gears) you get a lifetime plate, no renewal or insurance and no inspection, you self certify. all for $25. You must then have a M2 motorcycle endorsement on drivers license.
what an m2 motorcycle endorsement? Is it different than a regular motorcycle license?
@@shithead In California they have M1 and M2 endorsements, the M1 allows you to ride anything with 2 wheels regardless of size or cc's. The M2 only allows you to operate a motorized bicycle, moped or a scooter or anything less than 150cc's. A normal Class "C" license allows you to operate a motorcycle with a side car or any three wheeled bikes.
@@beaubrummelmotorizedbicycles california is so silly lol
@@shithead Yes, they are. But one good thing is you get a legal plate for life (no renewals) for $25, you self certify, no inspection. You do all by mail, way better than the states that still have the silly 49cc or less rule, and a inspection.
California has weird laws about a shit load of things that none of the other 49 states have
In Texas 27mph max speed and 1.95hp 49cc engines I'm pretty sure that my minaralli hybrid engine and my yd100 engine and phantom engine all fall under the against the law here but as long as you go 27mph when you go by the police they don't say anything just like when you have a dodge charger with a skat pack they know that car can fly and if you open it up in front of them they will give you a ticket but as long as you drive it when you go past them they don't care about it you ought to see what the cops have down here especially the hwy patrol officers lol be safe brother and thanks for the knowledge I'll say one thing these people getting them flying down the road over the speed limit and driving the wrong way is going to get us all in trouble
Here in kansas it's legal because they consider motorized bicycles . Besides mopeds don't have pedals
In my town, the cops wont mess with you as long as you arent doing wheelies or running red lights. Which you shouldnt do anyway!
I was told directly by a cop, that they will never pull over a motorized bicycle here in kansas.
Kansas law is- not over 30mph, no helmet required, and have pedals, no public trails, you stated up to 130 cc but ive havent seen that.
Georgia- must be a bicycle frame, no cc limit, helmet required, must obey all traffic signs and signals, ie hazard and stop lights, and road rules.
You can also argue that you have a right to travel and even public enforcement, aka police cant impede your right!
Good to know. It's a similar situation here in North Dakota despite us having some of the most restrictive moped laws in the United States.
In my town there barely ever one most days there aren’t even cops here
That includes many places but this is about the law not what you can get away with.
Thank you. Keep em comin!
You're welcome. I'm glad you're enjoying the videos.
What about a motorized tricycle? Can you use a class c or still have to get a motorcycle license
Depends on your state get info from your states dot gov site do not trust googles AI.
I just wanna know have you went to CoOp or Tractor Supply an buy some of the biggest wire ties you can find and make your own plastic chains? They work in snow and ice and any off road situations here that I’ve ran across ❤warm that baby up before launching out onto the snow flats 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🏍️
I haven't looked into a fat tire conversion with plastic chains. I do have a studded nokian 26" tire for the rear that does fairly well, but I do prefer the clutch engagement speed of the 20 inch. Admittedly, it's now below 0F most of the time here and that makes me not want to spend much time outside despite the traction issues.
@@pulsar2121 frost bite can be a pain everywhere, have almost lost fingers and a few toes. Dry ice 🧊 burns as a child taught me cold 🥶 can burn 🔥 too! Stay warm and stay safe…
Iowa law only requires the flag if you are on a highway. Read the law again.
Unnecessary to register in California, and they are legal as is (49cc), but I opted to register my bike as a MOPED. 26 bucks. Got a license plate too. As a moped I can run bigger engines. My 2 cents. Great work, now let's put the whole country, state by state guide together.
It is necessary to register. They did away with the 49cc rule. This was an old law. It is now based on horsepower and speed rating (4hp max and only 30mph). A motorized bicycle in CA IS a moped by the law. Anything bigger than 150cc is considered a motorcycle and needs to be registered as such... don't think any cops will pull you over for it, but they can.
@@CuddlyJon Could give me this new law#?
Old one says:
(CVC §§5030-5039)
Motorized bicycles (mopeds) must be licensed before they are operated or moved "UPON A HIGHWAY"...
@@leonardarola CVC 406 is what I'm referring to. It classifies motorized bikes and mopeds as one in the same.
this is kinda interesting
In pa you just have to be 16 but you don't have to have a license that's it
sadly it needs to have a plate you need a license and you need to be 16 which really sucks havent gotten pulled over yet i dont fall into any of those categories
Electric ones are considered bicycles and don't need the red tape to operate.
I think we're screwed coming and going.
Not in Illinois none if what he said is true here.
Look, as long as you're not being an a%&hole, you're staying out of the way of traffic (not including freeways , turnpikes and expressways) the cops aren't going to bother with you in most cases. So in closing, can you get a ticket yes, but in reality will you get a ticket? Probably not.