Building The Cave | Recreating a Retro Computer Shop - Sep Week 2
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
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Building a retro computer exhibition , The Cave, continues with our big push into week 2 of September and it's all happening now, including a recreation of a retro computer shop for an extra tier of nostalgia!
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Remember that to recreate the 1980s feel, the controllers in the shop demo unit should have cables which are far too short for comfortable use. For maximum points, making sure that at least one button is faulty and they should be slightly sticky.
Yes. And one of the rubber button covers for say select or start should be missing entirely necessitating using a paperclip or a small coin to bridge the contacts to get it to work.
Make sure those food bags and cards are acid free and don’t yellow and degrade the magazines. The magazine bags are likely archival quality and may be a reason why they are expensive.
Exactly what I was going to say! Polypropylene or Mylar bags don’t degrade in uv, and the boards need to be acid free boards
This all looks amazing and brought back some memories as I worked in a computer shop back in the 90's. I had to have my name on a badge and every flaming day I was asked "is that really your name??" "hows Luigi?" blah blah blah. Also we did some very naughty things, like putting the AA driving test software next to the Princess Diana memorial CD ROM... Oh dear. Those were the days.
When I was young in Czechoslovakia, we were protected from spoils of decadent western culture by our great Communist Party! (sarcasm, if it was not obvious) So no game shops for me, maybe until I was maybe 10. And then, the games were still pretty expensive for my family, so definitely not bought by pocket money. Listening you and other UA-camrs talk about arcades and game shops, makes me a bit envious, but you are doing great job recreating your memories!
@Miro I do wonder about this. Were games from the west allowed in the east during the days of the iron curtain? I can imagine that there were no possible import channels. On the west side we btw did some import from the east in the days, Pat and Mat are even today populair👍🏻
@@basvanharen2904 It was not about being allowed, I think it went under the censors' radar mostly, more of the fact, there were not that many computers, that could play it. You could buy smuggled, have some friends in higher places (state corporations, secret police, government), who were able to procure western goods. Then you could have family in the west, that could bring some of it or, more often, send western currency (usualy dollars), that you could exchange (in Czechoslovakia for example for a state cheques called "bony") and you could try to get western goods in shops called Tuzex (which is an abbreviation with meaning of "Domestic Export" (there is a Wiki about it if you'd like). The point is, even if you had bony, you won't go there to buy games. You'd copy games. You'd buy other western goods, that you are not able to get (chocolates, jeans (they were a thing!), some electronics, the richest even cars). And all this goods was still scarce, as you need foreign western currency to be able to buy that. And communist countries behind iron curtain did not have enough (as they traded little with western world - that was the reason for "bony" in the first place, to syphoon out the western currency from people -- and also, the exchange rate was incredibly bad; which leads to another aspect of regime, so called "vekslaci" (from the German word "wechseln" - to exchange), that exchanged bony and western money for profit with better exchange rates - many of those people are the current rich people and some even in Slovak government... I think, it was more than you needed to know, but that's the whole context.
TL;DR: They were allowed to some extent, you only would not normally even try to buy them.
You are, alas, extremely old. You are now a decrepit grandad. Please don't post anymore messages here.
@@bobbobson4069 Disregard of your heinous allegations (!!! :D), I am not that old. I was 6, when the regime fell, but it took many years to get to some level of normal and there are still residues in the society. My first original game was EF2000 (got it for Christmas in '96 I think and it was not a big box copy, I reckon, it was an OEM, that the computer company was selling for lower price) and my first boxed game was Red Alert: Aftermath DLC in '97. Then I went for a foreign english course in '98 (?) to UK and bought Fade to Black and one other game, in EA reissue big boxes. It got, obviously, better and now it is very normal to buy games in Slovakia, even though it's still more expensive for average Slovak person than for example Austrian or German, but not prohibitively. Anyway, to end on a positive note, I remember one arcade being opened after curtain fell on early 90's in my hometown of Nitra, where they had many cabinets and one amazing, hydraulic flight (or better one takeoff and then multiple landings with raising difficulty) simulator, which I was one of the few kids, who played it. My father was not a fan of paying for games (it was historically connected more with the slot machines and gambling, that became big), so I had very limited funds and per agreement, I only went there with his blessing (and I obeyed). Anyway, I almost made it to the end once (after not so many tries), but crashed on the last landing. But the whole arcade was standing around the outside preview screen. And the last note; not having many games, but being fortunate enough to have PC quite early (in mid-90s), I started programming (and as many of us, trying to make my own games), which gave me the good life I have now.
TL;DR: Ramblings about the gamer's life in post-com country, nothing of interest to anyone, except people, who like to read nonsense. :D
@@bobbobson4069 Yes, we are only youngsters here. Spry and fit as any 35+ can possibly be.
All the retro store needs now is the clueless old lady behind the til who puts the commodore tape into the spectrum cassette case as it has the same name, which then does not get noticed until you get home and have to go back to get it replaced.
"Yeah we had a dodgy patch but we won't offer to replace them we'll just give you a work around that we won't even supply, we'll make you pay for those as well"
The Cave will be a pilgrimage point for all retrocomputing fans, from all over the world. Greetings from Brazil!
This is so amazing! Congratulations on the BBC coverage!
Fantastic channel neil retro games takes me back to my zx 48k days buying master tronic cassettes our local shop micro tricks small store with the same boards you have in your shop full of spectrum commodore 64 amstrad cpc 64 great days very fond memories 😀
I just shutdown my Cessna Caravan in MSfS 2020 and a couple minutes later I'm listening to a BBC weatherman talking about flying over a vector graphics Chicago! YES!!!!!
Awesome to see the Cave getting all kinds of well deserved attention. You and Mark are stars!!!
Neil - FLIGHT SIM FTW!!! I love seeing that Thrustmaster flight stick behind you for most of this video - flight sims got me into computing back in 83 and are still my main jam! I love the progress and keep it up!
Epic. The only word that is fitting.
Well done, you've come absolutely miles from where you started.
I can literally smell the nostalgia through the screen, and that shop is going to be fantastic.
Is it bad that I chuckled at "fitting". Reads almost like a pun!
Being crushed to death by a shelf full of video games sounds like something pulled straight from an episode of Midsomer Murders. Great job with the cave, Neil. I hope I get to visit it some day.
Neil. If this was near me once you get that arcade up and running, I’d be there every week. I’ve absolutely loved seeing this going from a bare room to what is going to be one of the coolest game experiences.
I am so happy for you, and here’s to a long future in the cave.
Thank you Bryan! I'm dreaming of the day we might be able to open that section...but not too soon I need to finish this bit first!!! :D
@@RMCRetro hah take all the time you need. I’m there as soon as you open, though!
That boxed copy of POD! Oh my, that's absolutely pristine!
It's really amazing to see how far the cave has come! I mean, it already looks better and more professional than some commercial exhibitions designed by people who design exhibitions for a living. So nice ro see!
Those bags and boards may be more damaging long term than helpful if they introduce acids that degrade the contents.
Yes, I was gonna comment this. I don't know much about comic books and magazines but I do know the purpose made bags are more expensive for a reason.
I wouldn't be too worried about the food bags. For the cardboard it's hard to tell, as there is such a wide range of quality. There is even pH-buffered museum cardboard which I bought for my photographs. It's pricey, though.
Not wondering wood prices are so high at the moment,
RMC seems to have bought all the wood supply in the country :-D
"To capitalize on that"? I don't think they've done their research... this is pure love.
Yeah that line did stick a bit when I heard it, this is indeed for the love of it!
Oh the pod casing, one of my favorite games!
I bet that BBC weatherman is rocking an absolute beast of a PC for the current Flight Sim. 3090, full cockpit setup, rudder pedals, the lot. He reeks of hardcore. I bet his gaming room smells of rich mahogany.
Romantic Robot Multiface II for the Amstrad CPC was the first thing that I ever saved up for. I still remember that it was £48 and it took me about 5-6 weeks with 3 paper rounds but it was brilliant. Those pesky lens lock, colour codes and book word protections no longer mattered :-)
Absolutely fantastic Neil, The Cave seems to be coming on very well, and the shop space is gonna look excellent. Great Job and Great Video!!!
Epic is not even the word that is going to cut it, this is beyond epic! I still remember when big name stores had their game corner, rows of cassette tapes, disks and later on cartridges. That is something I am waiting to see again and I am glad somebody has bothered to re-create that. It is my ambition to visit this place :D
Exciting to see it all coming together and the enthusiastic news coverage. :)
17:13 probably not intentional funny, but “Mark’s draws” lol
I really hope all those wooden crate shelves are secured to each other. One person tripping or bending over and giving them a butt bump could see a chaos tumble domino effect.
The shop area definitely needs the air freshener WH Smith used in all their stores!
duuuude. being with you as a subscriber all these years and watching this turn from seed to flower is so inspiring. thanks for the dedication. As an American I've always longed to jump the pond and see the UK. I'm pretty certain this museum you've built will force my itinerary somewhere near Gloucester!
Neil always happy to see the progress you are making. I truly wish I could be there to help you build it... I can see your passion in this. I would love to do what you are doing. Thanks for your contributions to preserving our most loved past time of video games. As a Westwood developer it makes me smile to see the passion has not stopped for the beloved games we made so long ago. Cheers mate
Oh wow. Recreating that feeling of going to shops and buying big box games is genius. Quite emotional really as that's something I desperately miss about the hobby. Love the WHSMITH promo video!
There are a lot of good reasons to visit GB once again, but your cave is one of the best. I think, next year my motorcycle is heading west.
Congrats on BBC covering your amazing creation! Good work, mate!
You better not go Hollywood on us! Kidding aside, as a long time subscriber it's nice to see how the cave has morphed over the years.
Thanks Frank! Don't worry about that. I'm looking forward to finishing and getting stuck back into the machines
It's amazing to see how far this channel has come, well done!
Just superb well done looks amazing. Ive never been out of the hobby since the early 80s and seeing it represented like this is just epic. Including all the old in shop ads. You have create a 80s style RMC ad to go on that CRT in the shop.
I like this little paradox thing, that all the presentation of cool retro-stuff is controlled by a new smartphone via app! x'D thats great
Yep. We used to visit the coast from London in the 80s as had family here (now live on the coast). Used to go on the pier and would play Double Dragon. That was eventually replaced with Final Fight. Half way to coast we'd stop off at a cafe where I'd play gauntlet. Would never get far on these but still. On the Isle of Wight in Wight City I'd play Robocop, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Simpson's and they also had the sit down, in cabinet, Star Wars game. Anyway. My point is. I'm now fasinated that I can play all these on mame. One rare one that oddly has never been released on the switch despite it being perfect for it, is Tumblepop. Discovered it in France one summer holiday. Only found it in Ryde IoW and nowhere else. Play it on mame now and then and still disappointed no one has released it.
to me a poignant recent example of this weird mishmash of retro/modern computing is pistorm. a software emulated m68k CPU that you can plug in to a physical amiga. the concept of having a tiny cheap gigaherz scale computer inside an old computer we spent all year saving up for not that long ago emulating an ancient chip at a fraction of it's own native speed is just odd. like technoir inception or something
Congratulations on the BBC coverage! Wish we had an exhibition over here in the United States in northeast Texas. (Midwest silicon valley)
Oh wow, that video! Instant nostalgia hit. Hoping you can get some C64 games on those shelves, spent many a happy hour browsing in Boots and Smiths during the regular family shopping trip on a Saturday, even better when I had birthday money to spend on a 'big' game for 9.99, happy days. It's looking awesome Neil, can't wait to visit
2:51 was hilarious!
That music at the very beginning of the video is what this channel needs more of :)
Mini split AC’s are awesome! I have a Mitsubishi with a heat pump in my garage. Quiet and efficient.
13:00 - I still have my copy of Sublogic Flight Simulator II for my C64 somewhere. I saved and paid a "fortune" for that at the time.
Loving the WH Smith video! I remember the (almost unimaginable now) days of the Audio / Video area, and the rows of 3 CRT TV's hung from the ceiling.
Real nice! Amazing space. I know where my first stop will be when I visit your country.
I remember around 1984 when I was 15ish Years old Gaming with a little pocket money £5.00. I went to W H Smiths on Argyle Street for the Games. Downstairs there were all sorts of shapes and sizes of Micro-Computers lined up on the shelving unit. I went along the Microcomputers to program them all with colour bars bouncing around the screen in BASIC. This all had to happen before anyone else came into the shop that Saturday morning. Good fun. The Games cassettes were in a glass cabinet under the counter for security purposes. It's common sense that you have thought of security. Great Video of the Games Museum build. Thanks.
Great update my friend. I always look forward to another RMC video. Thank you 👍
Fantastic progress there Neil. I'm more impressed with everything video. 👏
This is absolutely incredible. I don't have words to describe how enthusiastic I am about your work here. Visiting from across the pond is on my bucket list. I wish you nothing but the very best!
Growing up, my friends parents had a game shop in our local town. Many Saturday mornings were spent there. Just seeing those walls going up brought me right back. I'm hoping for an easier 2022 so I can travel back to the UK and come visit the cave.
Outstanding job so far, so happy I could contribute a tiny bit to the coloring book. Hopefully someday I can make it over there to see this wonderful museum, I think I’d be in there as long as you’d let me, so many fascinating things that you’ve included. Until that time I’ll enjoy the coloring book and videos on how everything is going. I’m finding myself wishing that we had a place like yours over here in Massachusetts, I’d never leave 😂😂
Best wishes on your push to get things ready for people to enjoy your museum.
wow......got big nostalgia for CHiPs (was something upper/lower case like that lol) on linthorpe road in middlesbrough back in the mid to late 80's......drooling over the amiga's whilst browsing 64 games........an adjustable spanner ornament for the shop door would be very fitting👍👍
That shop needs some kind of a price list hanging on a wall or stuck to the counter.
2:50 - nice to see Thing is keeping well. ;)
It’s so great to see how far you’ve come since leaving the old cave and starting again in the new one! Truly inspiring.
I used to get all of my Mastertronic games from WHSmiths! From wandering through the vinyl and tape section, to the grotto of micro goodness that was hidden amongst the magazine section. Aahh... nostalgia!
Yes, I do want to visit this place. Probably plan the whole trip to UK just to visit your place! Absolutely love it!
Great work all round esp the preservation and presentation of our retro computer memories. However I take there's no lift in the mill for accessibility for us wheelchairs etc.
Sadly not, it's a real downside I'm afraid and I'm open to suggestions to make it more accessible
I'm glad you found a WDTV for cheap, because I sold mine for quite bit more than a I paid for it a few years ago.
Back in the 80s, computer gaming was definitely treated as niche and 'just for kids'.It was almost completely ignored by mainstream media. Surprisingly the main toy shops also ignored it. I remember looking around a branch of "Toy and Hobby" (an old UK toy store which seems to have been mostly forgotten by the Internet) and not seeing any computer games for sale! I would have to go to high street computer shops or places like Boots or WH Smiths.
Neil, its looking great so far.
My referb just needs flooring, but im not in a rush just yet.
Thanks Ralph!
With all that work and effort for recreating a soon lost world, you should be knighted! Fantastic work!
Fantastic effort on an incredible endeavour. Those slat walls with full size box games took me back decades. Cannot wait to see the final result. You may have to pay a large fellow, smoking woodbines, to stand behind the counter, shouting not to touch the games… if you really want the authentic experience :)
lol @ Mark squeezing himself into the BBC segment 😎
Can't wait to pay a visit :)
Took me a second to realise what you meant when you said "Mark's drawers". For a moment there I thought this video was taking a very different turn, and I had somehow ended up on the wrong site!
All my local WH Smiths still look like they were last decorated when Renegade came out of the Spectrum.
heheh, I actually shouted out loud 'wow! renegade' and my miss-spent youth came flooding back :D loving the progress on the cave too.
You have done so much.. since I started watching. Well Done! Long may it continue.
This is going to be an awesome location and now you finally got the whole floor for it, it will be even better! 😎👍
3:20 wouldn't it be better to have somehow a directional control of these two lamps? Now they are hanging at these steel cables, only roughly pointing in the wanted direction.
The shop videos! The memories! Where the hell did you find those?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. ONE DAY ... I will find my way to the cave. I'll take you out for a vroom in something exciting.
When I look back to only 12 months ago when you were in the previous cave, I see how far this channel has come. Go Neill, you deserve it.
can't believe the supplier of the wall brackets didn't recommend using bluetac.. in proper Sinclair style.
"The use of blu-tac about the size of a runner bean should solve that problem."
So excited!!
Nice update. If you need any Slat-board wire shelfs, I have a few dozen you can have for free. You just get to pay shipping from near Seattle USA, lol.
Speaking of retro game shops, I made quite the thrift shop find yesterday. Found a complete in the box copy of Sim Isle. Even the bit of cardboard the CD case sits in is there, the CD looks completely unused, not a scratch on it.
Oh what a great find! The Sim series are really nice to collect. I had a fondness for SimFarm!
@@RMCRetro Thanks. Yeah I'm attempting to find all the Maxis classic SIM games from before EA bought them and wreaked a great game development studio.
Fantastic seeing the progress again, getting excited to see it done, but the build has been a lot of fun to watch. Anytime you want to add in a build video here and there in the future, Im on board. Cheers and well done.
I so wish I could get over to the UK any time soon. This looks absolutely amazing and I could easily just spend a week there. :)
Them: "Oh, so you're taking a trip to the UK? That's exciting. So much to see! Are you going to Buckingham Palace? The British Museum?"
Me: "No..."
Them: "Canterbury Cathedral?"
Me: "No..."
Them: "The Roman baths?"
Me: "No..."
Them: "Shakespeare's birthplace?"
Me: "Um, well, there's this place in Gloucestershire..."
@@Middcore The Cave, This Museum Is Not Obsolete and a few others I can't remember off the top of my head - that's a ton of reasons to plan a trip to the UK already
I remember buying Jetpac from Watford WHsmiths for the ZX spectrum. I bought the game before I even had the computer.
Wish I could visit but we are restricted to 10km at the moment in Melbourne so a few thousand kilometres might be off the cards...
Love the look of the shop so far! Cannot wait to visit!
Amazing, I can't wait to visit!
Big shout out to MegaBites on Station Road in Chippenham. The most grumpy shop keeper ever but dam did they have great games! It's kebab shop now I think. The way all independent game shops met their end, with chilli sauce and salad.
I don't know who was helping you with the tapes in the drawers but I LOVE her dinosaur shirt. I want one!
I wonder if I'll get a dejavu feeling from all these video's once I finally visit the cave :)
Fantastic progress, the shop should be a real nostalgia trip 👍
9:03 At first I thought it was the opening to Battlestar Galactica, then I thought I saw a Draconian spaceship from Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, but no it's a WHSmith commercial.
Excellent progress, Neil!
The Cave looks amazing (and has for a while, tbh) I am most...envious.
Looking forward to visiting (I live in South Brum so this is quite convenient).
15:09 - Just good karma, the faulty batch of brackets was just so that you could find that other place with the better brackets.
Looking great Neil! I definitely wish I could visit, but being a third of the world away from me is a problem, never mind that I was too lazy even to attend the vintage computer festival last weekend with LGR and 8-Bit Guy which was only 30 minutes from me.
I wasn’t expecting to see Mark’s draws
Good luck Neil! The Cave is looking amazing.
Audio glitch at 4:30 ish
Oh! Thanks Jonzini...I lost my voice for a few seconds there
if you DO get the retro arcades, PLEASE get a ridge racer and a moonwalker cab!!
For that TV playing video in the shop, you ought to sprinkle in some of the old TV ads from Commodore, Atari, and Apple. They're all on youtube and you can snag them using the youtube-dl script.
Nice one! Keep up the hard work!
Outstanding!
Beautifull result, job well done! Keep up Neil! It is so unfortunate that I wont be able to visit the cave anytime soon, because I live abroad... anyway hi from Geece!
“900 kilograms” somehow sounds more impressive than “one ton”
Might I suggest that any video footage of the Aircon engineers putting the unit on the roof, be released as a Patreon video 😁
Haha I'll see what I can find