Optimizing irrigation and expanding! Timberborn Update 5 Iron Teeth Mega Build Episode 04
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Those new irrigation changes are going to require some adjustments to our setup. Let's get to work on those and other improvements!
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Ladders - Vertical Powershafts - Simple Floodgate Triggers - Smart Power - Custom Name List - Dam Decoration - Extended Architecture - Extended Floodgates - Ferris Wheel - Frog Statue - More Platforms - Path Extension - Staircase - Timelapse Camera
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“The doorway for the farmhouse”… doesn’t matter due to the new flippable building feature (press “F”).
Unpause gatherer flag for mangroves and raise up the single floodgate to 2.0m, down left i think is 1,5m.
Also program the fluid dump with time schedule. 😁
I think a stream gauge based scheduling (instead of time-based) works better for these larger dump areas.
I konw the metal is in that corner but I would move the metal production to the otherside, then you can continue to produce metal blocks in the badtide and it frees up the good ground for more trees. The added bonus is you won't need irrigation barriers where the poduction is so will save on metal and explosives for the manual irrigation.
I guess Jc forget the feature that he was very excited for!!
Flipping the building
Two years of "muscle memory" not being able to flip buildings is hard to overcome! 😂😂
When you expand the irrigation pits in the four squares, you should consider blasting a water path underneath your paths instead of using water dumps. You can put the path back over the water channel with platforms so that you don't lose any additional useable land spaces and you can place a floodgate (automated via water gauge) at the mouth of each channel. This would also solve your irrigation issue when the bad time comes!
Additionally, you could expand the channel system by splitting each quadrant into 4 quadrants of their own. so 2 channels each connect to the center river, and 2 channels each connect to your permanently clean outer perimeters. Use floodgates on the inner river mouths, and leave the outer perimeter mouths wide open and that should be capable of easily irrigating the entire square during a drought or a bad tide. will require a lot of dynamite and platforms, but may ensure long term survival!
Just had the thought, at 8:23. Once you have another cornwr of the upper area secured against badtide (i cant rember off the top of my head if thats done roggt this second) you could build a massive rectangular reservoir off the side to drop your pumps into. It will probably take a few cycles to fill, but would secure water for the future quite nicely.
I was going to suggest this!
Perfect for Iron Teeth because their "straws" go 6-deep.
Would need to build its height 1 tile lower than the castley bits and with dams to prevent overflow.
@@grimnir27 or just add more Crenellations to it so it matches
To help hold more water you can use levees and dams on the “teeth” around the outside of the top tier. Also if you want to get the irrigation farther you can blast out the paths to expand the water dump and use platforms instead!
In order to save a worker/space for pumps, maybe dynamite the inner paths then put platforms and overlay with paths again?
I still don't understand JC's distain for Kohlrabi, it is still a +1 for the Nutrition part of beaver happiness, so you need to keep at least as many plants as you have beavers for that, and putting it in the bad water effected zone wouldn't be so bad as you would be able to get at least 1 or 2 cycles of plants in each temperate cycle on normal, and as long as it is irrigated it would last through droughts, so they would only die in the bad water cycles.
Actually in general for beaver happiness it would probably make more sense to only plant Kohlrabi and then build Passive boosts like Campfires and Roof Top terraces etc, then you can save on beaver power by not wasting them away in a processing building :P
I suppose it's come down to what you are prioritising on?
My main issue is that since the kohlrabi don't have a second production step, an increase in kohlrabi stores requires a huge investment or monopolization of farmer work hours instead of splitting that work between some of the farmers and other beavers working in fermenters or something else. Pound for pound, it makes much more sense to focus on the higher-yielding crops if you have a limited amount of farm labor available. Eventually we will do more kohlrabies, though 😎
*adds 6 more breeding pods*
“We have enough food to handle these guys”
…i can already tell that the next episode you’re gonna run out of food🤣
Loving the series and im playing this map without badtides and its going awesome.
It's a cool map!
→ 13:30 I think instead of the dam pieces downstream of the water wheels, you need a dam around your mangroves, where you currently have the platform bridge.
→ If you want to maximise the use of the farmhouse-internal storage (which is 50 per type of crop), it might be better to mix the crops up, so every farmhouse has all crops to plant and harvest.
→ You could have saved your crops from dying by just converting the 1×1 levee square to a 3×3 levee square, no need to wait for dynamite. You can always dig it down later. (Too late now, but something for the next playthrough. Unless the irrigation physics works differently there again.)
→ For the next level down, you don't need water dumps (at least not yet, maybe later for the longer droughts/bad tides), just make sure the water doesn't completely drain out of the channel by closing it off.
My opinion on how I think the irrigation/evaporation should work:
The irrigation distance shouldn't depend that much of the water surface area (just from the height of water in it), but the "evaporation" rate should depend on the area being irrigated - so the 1×1 should have a similar irrigation distance as a 3×3 or a channel, and the total volume of water lost for "evaporation" would be roughly the same in both cases (i.e. surface level without a dump would go down faster for the 1×1, but a dump would need almost the same amount of water dumped in both cases to keep the level). So most of the water gets lost to actually making the ground around it green, maybe with a tiny contribution of actual water surface.
Instead of waiting for irrigation blocks. Blow up an irrigation ditch one tile in around the whole square, feed by dumps, platforms with roads on top. Can also run power under platforms
Thanks for vid
I’m stoked! You are licking those beavers 🦫 into shape
Mangroves are ready!
Now when you have dynamite you could blast the chanel from the water source down one and wide them with one on each side. Then cover the bottom and sides with levees. So no water touches the ground made of dirt/soil. That Is supposed to block the water. Don't know if it blocks both bad and good water or not. You can read about it in the second release of update 5, the one where the made it so you couldn't stop the badwater with placing levees next to the water. It will take a lot of trees but maybe faster and cheaper than irrigation blocker (the secant piles, what ever they are called).
Yes, both irrigation and corruption need actual soil to be transferred.
7:17 Speaking of the bridge idea... you may wish to place a platform (with an irrigation barrier underneath) followed by a levee and then your bridge on each side. that way the mangroves and oak trees are protected from contamination. Course you would have to move the lower floodgates/levees out two spaces to make it contiguous.
We're going to do something like that eventually!
Put flood gates around the water source on three sides and force bad water away from the farms
The water sources are not connected, so one would first have to dig out some channels between/around them. But that would then destroy the symmetry.
If you wanted to irrigate more of the upper areas (after you build the irrigation barriers) you could turn your 3x3's into 5x5's just putting platforms under your paths.
For the new center of the farm area, on top of one of the small storages, we should put a scarecrow down.
Love the gameplay just that the water pumps you should put on the outside of the gate, instead of the actual water source blocks. So that your water in the main areas are not running out as well as when the bad tide comes its not pumping the bad water. Just a more efficient and secure water source.
That's the plan! I eventually want to put water pumps in the corners of the upper level once I can get the depth blasted way down for reservoir storage purposes.
ahhhh yes... that is smart i was wondering why you put them all on the inside. i love whatching you play it is relaxing and not at the same time lol@@JCTheBeard
hey jc, its been a long time since ive been able to keep up with ur content im over a month behind on videos lol but i thought id watch this new series since its a manageable size atm. those updates are crazy!!! also you grew all those lovely mangrove fruits and havent harvested any of them, maybe its time to unpause your gatherer flag down there 😉 🐸🐸
Thanks for your continued support! Happy to have you on whichever videos you watch 😎
the thing i like bout update 5 is the contamination barrier. i use it where water and bad water are by a flood gate. keeps the contamination from spreading
You keep talking about fun like this is some sort of game 😂😂
You should plant the Kohrabies, its a basic food with the berries so you can have the basic for many beavers. Even if they died, they don't that much time to regrow.
Next episode we'll do exactly that 😎
@@JCTheBeard Also, clear up the dead trees that were kill by the bad tie.
Kohlrabies are even better than berries as food - they give one nutrition well-being point, while berries give zero. (Berries are needed for breeding, though.)
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Also, while you don't have much built is it worth moving all of the paths around the outside on the top tier in one block for when you are ready to place irrigation barriers. At the moment you are building all of the infrasruture up against the current path which is going to be a pretty big task to change when it comes to it.
Could be. I need to figure out exactly how those irrigation barriers work, first. If I can get away with placing those inside the reservoirs on the edges then that would be ideal. If they have to go _outside_ the reservoirs, then that will complicate things significantly. We shall see!
@@JCTheBeard I hadn't even thought about putting them in the water
@@JCTheBeard from my understanding they work how levees did during the patch where stuff couldnt pass so you will need to replace the path but you could then build platforms on top and just have your path 1 higher, also for the mangroves the barriers will need to be paced in the as the outer row of trees inside of the levees
@JCTheBeard ; If those barriers work remotely the same as the badwater blocks of the folktails you showed us earlier, they will be flushed with the ground as you place them (not on top as a leevee). The icon seems to show us that placement.
Makes sense to leave a space open for them, as most likely you also can't directly place a path on them, only platforms.
soo one thing i found odd is you using all four corners with flood gates, while good idea in practice i figured when you put them in at first youd only do it on only 2 sides n the other sides would be just pure dams in order to have less worry of badwater, and it also limit where good water comes in and or badwater in a worst case scenario
Why don't you build a channel to the outside ring and put the paths on top of it?
That way it will always have water, and you won't need a water dump. I also like to add a dam every 5 spaces to separate it from the large water reservoir
That's actually genius, why didn't I think of that??
I would love to see you do this map in U6
14:50 I'm surprised there isn't a mod that lets you set a floodgate's height to anything.
Stopping to comment while watching (13:10), so you may have already done something about it. But, basically, it occurs to me that if you're just using one of the little outflows for water wheels, you could close one with levees, rather than having dams at both. Because otherwise you're essentially wasting half of the power :)
Build more storage. You keep building "enough" then missing something and running into trouble.
Build double the storage of the essentials and when you run into issues you know you'll have time to fix it
The problem is that he only notices it when the storage is actually running out. Like this time, when half of the farms were paused during most of the temperate season.
By the way, you dont need the irrigation barrier, if you line your channels with levees it also blocks irrigation and contamination.
so are those essentialy just pricy levees?
@Redneck353 The irrigation barrier? No they go flat on ground and block both irrigation and contamination from passing under them. You can also build platforms on top of them.
The thing is they don't limit the flow of water at all, while the levee bit does because you have to line both sides and bottom your water flow with them.
@@IamHattman Gotcha, thanks, didn't get that far yet on my IT run on U5
I fink you choud plase the water wheels on the wider canals thos who are comming straite out of the senter like that you have power when there is water or bad water
its the.,.. Megaaaaaaaaaaaaa buuuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiiiiiiild! lol at 4:50 I was curious.. at the lower water level that's contaminated.. could you place the bad water barriers on the inner side of the contaminated water to prevent the land from cracking, and then you could use that water strip as well for more mangroves? just curious :D
Of the four central water streams up top, only 2 have been dammed. Is there a reason why you haven't dammed the others?
The two were around the farmland, so more important.
Why would you care about the side of the doorway? ( mirror mod is now part of the vanilla game remember 😆 )
hi try this map pls [U5] Ancient Beaver Ruin Map :) :)
Pofavol por las baterías de gravedad en la salida de agua en este mapa es muy importante.
We'll do something like that, eventually. It's going to take a bit of time to get there 😎
I have some plans for this, don't worry
El truco de la bomba de agua ya no sirve el roto de 1×1×1 es inútil aroa es un 3×3×3 o 3×3×1 es importante ñ.
like not re planting things you deleted
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Hey wait you're not Devilish 😂
@@JCTheBeardI noticed he hadn't had time to post it, so I did, to make sure everything would be ok. 😊