This is the first time seeing your channel, and I like what I see. I've tried Elementary a few times over the years & after watching your video, I thought I should try it again, just to see what all the fuss was about. After downloading & verifying the .iso, I wrote it to my Ventoy memory stick & booted it. First time around, after selecting keyboard/language, etc., I was presented with 3 options: LiveUSB, WipeEntireDisk, and Advanced/Custom ... I chose Custom and a new dialog appearing saying Analyzing current config, or similar. That dialog immediately disappeared, then absolutely NOTHING, just the blurred wallpaper. After a while, I rebooted and tried LiveUSB this time, which I prefer anyway so I can run Gparted myself & get oriented before running Installer manually. Once desktop appeared, I ran Gparted, formatted the partition I was willing to sacrifice, then ran the installer. Again, I chose Custom, and was immediately logged out, only to have to go through the exact same rigmarole as the first time 'round. Okay, that's it ... I do have patience, but what I do NOT have is TOLERANCE for shite distros/software that fail straight out of the box. How could anyone expect to trust that their daily driver is going to be reliable/stable if it can't even be installed without having to jump through hoops? Anyway, enough ranting ... I gave it a go so that I could be reliably informed (on top of what I learned through your insightful video), enough to actually be able to contribute to the discussion. As well as the poor install experience, I found the UI to be laughable, as you demonstated ... for instance, having the Font Size slider in that main menu seems ridiculous to me. In my experience, that's something I would change ONCE (if at all) thus it could be hidden away in Settings. The entire exercise seemed like a total waste of space, but I had to give it a go! Thanks for the great content. It has definitely earned a sub ... I'll look forward to your next one =)
I installed it quite a few years ago. It was supposed to be something a friend could work on. I had to get the wifi working multiple times because Elementary would forget the settings every time the laptop was shut down. Thinking about it now, I should have just stuck Mint on it.
I literally attempted to install Elementary OS 8 directly on my Lenovo Thinkpad T480 and the installer displays an error message stating that the install process failed due to a hardware error. Now keep in mind that I have successfully installed and used no less than 6 different distros on this laptop over the years without ANY issues. In fact, I'm currently using the latest version of Solus installed on it. Elementary has never been a good choice for me and v8 is no different.
Politics is re-defining words to refer to a fake pejorative "inclusivity". Accessbility is just a part of that, despite the maga effort to make inclusivity a dirty word.
Imagine that. When you spend more time being an internet activist than you do developing your software, the quality of your software suffers... who'd have thunk it?
Oof just read that Elementary OS 8 is super buggy since a bunch of other people are having the same issues so your not the only one there Just makes me wonder if they didn't test it long enough to iron out all of the bugs hoping that the developers can fix this
problems i found when using pantheon desktop in Ubuntu: 1*. theme & icons must using default one, otherwise themes will look broken in some GTK3 apps including GNOME Terminal (I don't like using their default apps) & missing icons in some places. 2. when using gnome console (that primitive terminal emulator), the window cannot be closed until logout. 3. most apps (.desktop in /usr/share/applications) are hidden in Pantheon & it must be modified to make it appear (for example, GNOME Terminal). 4. why GNOME Web, Document Viewer, file-roller, Capnet Assist & font viewer uses flatpak versions? it causes lot of issues for me when using APT. it takes so long due of installing flatpaks. * this issue is present way back to version 5.1 & they will not fix it.
The principles of macos and Linux desktop implementation are similar, both are Xorg (wayland, XQuartz) + DE (kde, gnome, cinnamon, aqua), but unlike macos, Linux has never paid attention to the development of the desktop.
I always wonder why people think we need yet another Debian-based distro with a custom theme. At least elementary made a DE. They should halt the introduction of new distributions and tell people to go work on a DE instead if they need a project.
Elementary is much too limiting for me. For me Ubuntu already is too limiting on its own because the repositories lose packages every year, including essential packages, because Canonical removes the packages when it considers the Snap good enough, their standard of good enough vastly differs from mine. Elementary itself puts extra limitations on top of that. On itself that is not neccesarily a problem, limiting options to make it easy for a user to figure out how to use the DE can help some users under some conditions. But are the conditions such that those users are actually helped by it? Maybe other users, for me it is just limiting.
@@Winnetou17 Where I live most people never had an Apple-PC. I can count the number of times that I used an Apple-PC on the fingers of mytwo hands, not including my thumbs: a few times because a mate had an Apple-laptop (he was like "try this out, it is great") and 1 time I used an Apple all in one myself, that one runs the FreeBSD-based macOS. It is foreign to me: there is a key on the keyboard which functions like the ctrl-key but it is much further to the right, there is a mismatch between the program its menu and some Apple-menu and you seem to miss a lot of usual hotkeys (to immediately go to another program instead of using the mouse) and windowsnapping behavior. I might have missed features but it striked me as being designed with the intention of having few features and being 'easy' for novice users.
@@Winnetou17 If it's trying to mimic macOS I can say they've been doing a bad work. It doesn't even look like the actual macOS and it's not as easy as macOS is. They're not getting the point and making life of the user worse by limiting the store and the need to deal with so many bugs seems to be as clunky system.
@@MarkHobbes The bugs are mostly an ElementaryOS 8, I think, since I haven't heard complaints before. ElementaryOS is one if not the first to implement gestures and have good accessibility in general. The decision to rather not have an app than to risk having a bad app is totally in Apple spirit.
I'm seriously thinking that I'll have to abandon this OS on my Dell XPS. There's no "upgrade path"...and with all the customization and tweaks?....yeah...I'm thinking I might switch to OpenSuSE KDE Edition. While I realize its only a few people?...an upgrade path?...some script or command that would allow someone to go from ElementaryOS 7 to ElementaryOS 8 somehow CAN'T be done? (And no....before y'all come at me with "Why Don't YOU Do It?"... I'M NOT A CODER....THAT'S why!...) But I give them much props,....they came along and created something that is phenomenal!! I will give it until like...March / April / May of '25?....to see if they come up with an upgrade path that doesn't require a full re-install, if not?...then these next few coming months?....could be the last this system sees my hardware.
My biggest issues with Haiku OS is the lack of software right now with things like the lack of a truly standout web browser, and proper hardware drivers for things like GPU's, but I do think it has a lot of promise if these can be worked out over time, and if they can I'd love to run it on some of the older aging Lenovo Thinkpads in my collection given how efficient it is.
You'll be even more limited than eOS using these systems, get something better. There are tons of decent distros around. If none of them is good, just go back to Windows, that's not wrong. I know Linux isn't for everyone.
@@MarkHobbes You're right. However, my little AMD A4/4GB RAM/64GB storage craptop is slow at running even bare bones Linux with, say, a windows manager such as Openbox and without a full desktop environment. I have many other Linux boxes to run my real work. Speaking only as a hobbyist, I'm just curious to see HaikuOS running from the internal drive. Full stop. It's okay running it live from the install USB, but I wish I had the skills to write my own emmc driver for Haiku so I could install it natively.
If this is the direction Wayland is moving Linux, count me as very unimpressed. I use Deb files because I trust them. If I have driver issues, I figure out that Mint installed the flatpak version. All the pop-ups for permissions would get old quick. I guess part of first run is to set all permissions to on. Why am I blocking permissions from my word processor? I guess on a workstation, corporate IT would like all the clamps, but on the personal PC it is a nuisance. But, since it probably wouldn't install on my non-standard e5 based system, I'll stay with Mint and hope it takes a really long time to drop X
I've had problems with Ventoy so instead of being stuck in doing it "your way", have you actually tried doing it another way like slapping the .iso on a normal USB stick and go from there. I bet there isn't any issues. Not trying to defend Elementary as it's not for me but let's be fair.
I installed this system for my laptop (im newbe in linux just try to find good system for my mother). At very first system run i have probem with drivers already, dockpanel take too much space when you run window in full screen mode, you have no minimize window functionality, screenshots doesn't work. But design looks good, i wish this design in linux Mint. It would perfect colaboration
I had a similar problem with LinuxLite. On booting it just wouldn't recognize the SSD. I tried Sparky Linux and it worked. Interestingly Linux mint didn't. Most of the time AntiX worked.
On top of all these questionable decisions, this distro doesn't have a valid reason to exist. If you want a good, stable Ubuntu based distro, use something like Linux Mint or Zorin.
Hmm … I just downloaded it and installed it on my old Dell laptop. No problem whatsoever. And I am a Linux noob. I have just tried Ubuntu a couple of years ago, and the Terminal scares me. ;)
Not buying that "classic session" and "secure session" nonsense, but hey. It's good to keep it "layman's terms." I just don't want permission management to get in my way even in CachyOS. I am security-savvy and the permission system in Linux is just overkill for me. Of course, it may not be overkill for users who get their computers infected left and right.
You couldn't pay me to touch this distro with a barge pole with all the issues it has, and all the issues with it's devs, so just a suggestion Tom to please stop covering this trash distro for such low view counts, and wasting your time, and our time!!! ✌
@@Winnetou17That's because he already has talked about the developer drama calling for harm, and death to certain groups that don't fall into their twisted ideology. So no I'm not exaggerating, I'm just saying it like I see it, as I don't see this distro being around too much longer if even Tom can't get it to instal on real hardware.
@@Winnetou17 I agree. And what Lunduke said is just rude & totally disrespectful and kept referring the creator Danielle by her Wrong name!! Maybe she would benefit from more help & Devs but considering it's the output of virtually one person of course there will be some bugs! 🐛 Perhaps he should put his Red hat back on and find some manners when doing such ultra right vlogs! 😠😤😡
They mean inclusivity because it is accessible to people with disabilities and therefore isn't discriminating against them. That's become a new corporate talking point you'll see a lot these days. Inclusivity is picking fonts and color palettes that can be read by users with vision problems 🤷. It's a thing.
Idk what problems you were having.... But I just installed it on Qemu, in like 5 minutes, and it boots to desktop no problem. Maybe your ISO is corrupt? Not that I wanted to install this trash, but I was just curious. Have a nice day!
Same, I always have issues with it, and just end up keeping a couple USB keys clipped to my EDC laptop bag with my 2 most used distros on them I've written with Etcher being Manjaro Gnome, and Solus Budgie, & another key encrypted for data backup.
I noticed (Daah) that we make up a list of how we feel about a certain object/thing that changes over time even if the object stays the same. I know it's off-subject, but, I am curious how do you feel about Laws ?? (how do you use this tool in a general manner?!) Because recently I decided to treat a Law as a Guide first, and means for approval second. (* considering no law is added by accident, and some where written in __ *) I ask you because, I don't see ppl on youtube use the Law as a Guide, only as a defense/attack mechanism to personal intentions. well, except this show, in which we see the connection between the law and company related conflicts (I really appreciate it btw, thanks :).
If at least it were something good, I wouldn't care about paying them, but they created a very crappy software that doesn't deserve even our free downloads. It's a total waste of time.
It's complete Trash rc 2 works some what better It still is Trash i had to work that i can install it and install My flatpaks then it got far wors it is a unstable mess
@ i got it to work but its still is bad i install it and set it up but i had most problems with it i install Steam to try to Play games it wont even download it
On the positive side an OS that will not install properly on hardware has the advantage that it is completely secure.
LOL 🤣
Can't be in danger... If you're already dead 💀🤣
just like windows 11 will not install if hardware not right
This is the first time seeing your channel, and I like what I see. I've tried Elementary a few times over the years & after watching your video, I thought I should try it again, just to see what all the fuss was about. After downloading & verifying the .iso, I wrote it to my Ventoy memory stick & booted it. First time around, after selecting keyboard/language, etc., I was presented with 3 options: LiveUSB, WipeEntireDisk, and Advanced/Custom ... I chose Custom and a new dialog appearing saying Analyzing current config, or similar. That dialog immediately disappeared, then absolutely NOTHING, just the blurred wallpaper. After a while, I rebooted and tried LiveUSB this time, which I prefer anyway so I can run Gparted myself & get oriented before running Installer manually. Once desktop appeared, I ran Gparted, formatted the partition I was willing to sacrifice, then ran the installer. Again, I chose Custom, and was immediately logged out, only to have to go through the exact same rigmarole as the first time 'round. Okay, that's it ... I do have patience, but what I do NOT have is TOLERANCE for shite distros/software that fail straight out of the box. How could anyone expect to trust that their daily driver is going to be reliable/stable if it can't even be installed without having to jump through hoops?
Anyway, enough ranting ... I gave it a go so that I could be reliably informed (on top of what I learned through your insightful video), enough to actually be able to contribute to the discussion. As well as the poor install experience, I found the UI to be laughable, as you demonstated ... for instance, having the Font Size slider in that main menu seems ridiculous to me. In my experience, that's something I would change ONCE (if at all) thus it could be hidden away in Settings. The entire exercise seemed like a total waste of space, but I had to give it a go!
Thanks for the great content. It has definitely earned a sub ... I'll look forward to your next one =)
Welcome and I'm glad you found the channel.
That sounds like ElementaryOS alright!
It's a well-known distro, despite all the issues. I'm boring and have stuck with Mint for many years.
during my distro hopping days, I found many guide videos for noobs saying " you like windows? go with zorin, you like mac, go with elementaryos".
ElementaryOS was always half-baked TBH
I installed it quite a few years ago. It was supposed to be something a friend could work on. I had to get the wifi working multiple times because Elementary would forget the settings every time the laptop was shut down. Thinking about it now, I should have just stuck Mint on it.
Elementary OS was always half-baked TBH, back in 2013 it didn't even have a lock screen option 😂
I literally attempted to install Elementary OS 8 directly on my Lenovo Thinkpad T480 and the installer displays an error message stating that the install process failed due to a hardware error. Now keep in mind that I have successfully installed and used no less than 6 different distros on this laptop over the years without ANY issues. In fact, I'm currently using the latest version of Solus installed on it.
Elementary has never been a good choice for me and v8 is no different.
Usually it's issue with inter raid just need to disable it on bios and then it works well
The devs are actually one person that pushes politics more than actually developing the distro. Pantheon is cool, but this distro is dead.
Agreed 100%, & as I said before I think it's a waste of Tom's time, and energy to even bother covering this POS any longer.
Politics is re-defining words to refer to a fake pejorative "inclusivity". Accessbility is just a part of that, despite the maga effort to make inclusivity a dirty word.
Imagine that. When you spend more time being an internet activist than you do developing your software, the quality of your software suffers... who'd have thunk it?
Plus by doing that kind of BS they drove others away from wanting to help with the distro, so I'm not surprised this distro is dying!!
“Elementary, my dear Watson”
🌨❄
Oof just read that Elementary OS 8 is super buggy since a bunch of other people are having the same issues so your not the only one there
Just makes me wonder if they didn't test it long enough to iron out all of the bugs hoping that the developers can fix this
Maybe it just does not identify as an operating system. Stop being a bigot 😂
I do think it will fix those decently quick (say, this week)
ElementaryOS was always half-baked TBH
problems i found when using pantheon desktop in Ubuntu:
1*. theme & icons must using default one, otherwise themes will look broken in some GTK3 apps including GNOME Terminal (I don't like using their default apps) & missing icons in some places.
2. when using gnome console (that primitive terminal emulator), the window cannot be closed until logout.
3. most apps (.desktop in /usr/share/applications) are hidden in Pantheon & it must be modified to make it appear (for example, GNOME Terminal).
4. why GNOME Web, Document Viewer, file-roller, Capnet Assist & font viewer uses flatpak versions? it causes lot of issues for me when using APT. it takes so long due of installing flatpaks.
* this issue is present way back to version 5.1 & they will not fix it.
Yet people are still clowning ubuntu
At this point its good distros are cementing their positions: Opensuse, Fedora, Ubuntu/Debian/Mint, Arch/Endeavour.
Anything else is not worth it
The principles of macos and Linux desktop implementation are similar, both are Xorg (wayland, XQuartz) + DE (kde, gnome, cinnamon, aqua), but unlike macos, Linux has never paid attention to the development of the desktop.
I always wonder why people think we need yet another Debian-based distro with a custom theme. At least elementary made a DE. They should halt the introduction of new distributions and tell people to go work on a DE instead if they need a project.
Elementary is much too limiting for me. For me Ubuntu already is too limiting on its own because the repositories lose packages every year, including essential packages, because Canonical removes the packages when it considers the Snap good enough, their standard of good enough vastly differs from mine. Elementary itself puts extra limitations on top of that. On itself that is not neccesarily a problem, limiting options to make it easy for a user to figure out how to use the DE can help some users under some conditions. But are the conditions such that those users are actually helped by it? Maybe other users, for me it is just limiting.
Of course it's limiting, it's mimicking MacOS. It's meant to be easy to use, decently intuitive, but barely customizable. Some like that.
@@Winnetou17 Where I live most people never had an Apple-PC. I can count the number of times that I used an Apple-PC on the fingers of mytwo hands, not including my thumbs: a few times because a mate had an Apple-laptop (he was like "try this out, it is great") and 1 time I used an Apple all in one myself, that one runs the FreeBSD-based macOS. It is foreign to me: there is a key on the keyboard which functions like the ctrl-key but it is much further to the right, there is a mismatch between the program its menu and some Apple-menu and you seem to miss a lot of usual hotkeys (to immediately go to another program instead of using the mouse) and windowsnapping behavior. I might have missed features but it striked me as being designed with the intention of having few features and being 'easy' for novice users.
@@Winnetou17 If it's trying to mimic macOS I can say they've been doing a bad work. It doesn't even look like the actual macOS and it's not as easy as macOS is. They're not getting the point and making life of the user worse by limiting the store and the need to deal with so many bugs seems to be as clunky system.
@@MarkHobbes The bugs are mostly an ElementaryOS 8, I think, since I haven't heard complaints before.
ElementaryOS is one if not the first to implement gestures and have good accessibility in general.
The decision to rather not have an app than to risk having a bad app is totally in Apple spirit.
It may be terrible technically and not even boot but it's made exclusively by blaquez, whamenz, and tranzformerz!
I thought I was the only one having that issue.
I'm seriously thinking that I'll have to abandon this OS on my Dell XPS. There's no "upgrade path"...and with all the customization and tweaks?....yeah...I'm thinking I might switch to OpenSuSE KDE Edition. While I realize its only a few people?...an upgrade path?...some script or command that would allow someone to go from ElementaryOS 7 to ElementaryOS 8 somehow CAN'T be done? (And no....before y'all come at me with "Why Don't YOU Do It?"...
I'M NOT A CODER....THAT'S why!...)
But I give them much props,....they came along and created something that is phenomenal!! I will give it until like...March / April / May of '25?....to see if they come up with an upgrade path that doesn't require a full re-install, if not?...then these next few coming months?....could be the last this system sees my hardware.
ElementaryOS was always half-baked TBH
It was already stagnant before pre-fallout. Post-fallout although I didn't think it could get worse
Makes glad i dont run elementary os anymore, im considering going with haiku OS and freebsd next on a thin client.
My biggest issues with Haiku OS is the lack of software right now with things like the lack of a truly standout web browser, and proper hardware drivers for things like GPU's, but I do think it has a lot of promise if these can be worked out over time, and if they can I'd love to run it on some of the older aging Lenovo Thinkpads in my collection given how efficient it is.
I can only wish I could install HaikuOS on my crappy laptop with an eMMC drive.... A driver for "mmcblk" still doesn't seem to exist.
You'll be even more limited than eOS using these systems, get something better.
There are tons of decent distros around. If none of them is good, just go back to Windows, that's not wrong. I know Linux isn't for everyone.
@@MarkHobbes You're right.
However, my little AMD A4/4GB RAM/64GB storage craptop is slow at running even bare bones Linux with, say, a windows manager such as Openbox and without a full desktop environment.
I have many other Linux boxes to run my real work.
Speaking only as a hobbyist, I'm just curious to see HaikuOS running from the internal drive. Full stop. It's okay running it live from the install USB, but I wish I had the skills to write my own emmc driver for Haiku so I could install it natively.
I can't find my partitions to install it😢
If this is the direction Wayland is moving Linux, count me as very unimpressed. I use Deb files because I trust them. If I have driver issues, I figure out that Mint installed the flatpak version. All the pop-ups for permissions would get old quick. I guess part of first run is to set all permissions to on. Why am I blocking permissions from my word processor?
I guess on a workstation, corporate IT would like all the clamps, but on the personal PC it is a nuisance.
But, since it probably wouldn't install on my non-standard e5 based system, I'll stay with Mint and hope it takes a really long time to drop X
I've had problems with Ventoy so instead of being stuck in doing it "your way", have you actually tried doing it another way like slapping the .iso on a normal USB stick and go from there. I bet there isn't any issues. Not trying to defend Elementary as it's not for me but let's be fair.
A Distro for people feeling a transformation is coming ;)
The Pantheon desktop is beautiful, but the package management is terrible.
I installed this system for my laptop (im newbe in linux just try to find good system for my mother). At very first system run i have probem with drivers already, dockpanel take too much space when you run window in full screen mode, you have no minimize window functionality, screenshots doesn't work. But design looks good, i wish this design in linux Mint. It would perfect colaboration
You can reduce the size of the dock so it takes up less room. Also, you can check if there is a driver update in the settings.
A lot of people are getting real sick of politics being pushed down their throats.
I had a similar problem with LinuxLite. On booting it just wouldn't recognize the SSD. I tried Sparky Linux and it worked. Interestingly Linux mint didn't. Most of the time AntiX worked.
Sounds like they need to mark it as unstable alpha !!! my fav is mint anyway
Nick was using this distro until recently. he now uses fedora nor tuxedo os (allegedly)
already shows the all 'inclusive' priority over excellence .it will go the dodo
On top of all these questionable decisions, this distro doesn't have a valid reason to exist. If you want a good, stable Ubuntu based distro, use something like Linux Mint or Zorin.
I just got a notification that HP data recovery is a new startup App.
Michael Tunnel said he had AMD issues. Not sure if he meant AMD proc or gpu or both.
Sounds like it’s malware.
yeah and it is woke
Deviancy took over at Elementary OS. It's no wonder it's a POS.
Agreed, and I can't see this one lasting too much longer if the main "DEI" dev can't even make a decent installer that works on bare metal hardware.
So, it is 2024 and Linux desktop is moving backwards 😅 I like and have used it for the last 30 years but my go to is now Mac OS and the M4 Pro Mini.
Hmm … I just downloaded it and installed it on my old Dell laptop. No problem whatsoever. And I am a Linux noob. I have just tried Ubuntu a couple of years ago, and the Terminal scares me. ;)
I don't use VirtualBox anymore
I stick to my trusty QEMU/KVM with Virt Manager
Not buying that "classic session" and "secure session" nonsense, but hey. It's good to keep it "layman's terms." I just don't want permission management to get in my way even in CachyOS.
I am security-savvy and the permission system in Linux is just overkill for me. Of course, it may not be overkill for users who get their computers infected left and right.
You look a real gentleman in Beard 💪💪
You couldn't pay me to touch this distro with a barge pole with all the issues it has, and all the issues with it's devs, so just a suggestion Tom to please stop covering this trash distro for such low view counts, and wasting your time, and our time!!! ✌
Elementary OS got Lunduke'd basically, heh. I just installed CachyOS yesterday and runs fine; so easy to install.
You're exagerating. Tom totally should review these kind of distros. And I appreciate he didn't go into the developer drama here.
@@Winnetou17That's because he already has talked about the developer drama calling for harm, and death to certain groups that don't fall into their twisted ideology. So no I'm not exaggerating, I'm just saying it like I see it, as I don't see this distro being around too much longer if even Tom can't get it to instal on real hardware.
@@Winnetou17 I agree. And what Lunduke said is just rude & totally disrespectful and kept referring the creator Danielle by her Wrong name!!
Maybe she would benefit from more help & Devs but considering it's the output of virtually one person of course there will be some bugs! 🐛
Perhaps he should put his Red hat back on and find some manners when doing such ultra right vlogs! 😠😤😡
They had a team of people until DEI split up the team
They mean inclusivity because it is accessible to people with disabilities and therefore isn't discriminating against them. That's become a new corporate talking point you'll see a lot these days. Inclusivity is picking fonts and color palettes that can be read by users with vision problems 🤷. It's a thing.
Inclusivity and Accessibility have different legal definitions
Well the wallpapers are nice. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Xir is this for?
He is this for?
Abraham Lyncon vibes here...
Four-score and seven years ago...
Idk what problems you were having.... But I just installed it on Qemu, in like 5 minutes, and it boots to desktop no problem. Maybe your ISO is corrupt?
Not that I wanted to install this trash, but I was just curious. Have a nice day!
No, ISO is properly verified and it did install on the VMs without issue. I was just having issues with real hardware.
Ventoy never works for me. It's costing me more than I like.
Same, I always have issues with it, and just end up keeping a couple USB keys clipped to my EDC laptop bag with my 2 most used distros on them I've written with Etcher being Manjaro Gnome, and Solus Budgie, & another key encrypted for data backup.
secure boot still a issue with ventoy.
I noticed (Daah) that we make up a list of how we feel about a certain object/thing that changes over time even if the object stays the same.
I know it's off-subject, but,
I am curious how do you feel about Laws ??
(how do you use this tool in a general manner?!)
Because recently I decided to treat a Law
as a Guide first,
and means for approval second.
(* considering no law is added by accident, and some where written in __ *)
I ask you because, I don't see ppl on youtube use the Law as a Guide, only as a defense/attack mechanism to personal intentions. well, except this show, in which we see the connection between the law and company related conflicts (I really appreciate it btw, thanks :).
Trash Distro and you have to pay to use it 😢
set $0. it still be downloadable freely. you just don't know the tricks.
joke website for a joke distro lmao you can set to zero but the placement of that payment section is so damn explicit lmao
If at least it were something good, I wouldn't care about paying them, but they created a very crappy software that doesn't deserve even our free downloads. It's a total waste of time.
It's complete Trash rc 2 works some what better
It still is Trash i had to work that i can install it and install
My flatpaks then it got far wors it is a unstable mess
Curiously, the official download that you get from the home page, says "rc2" in the file name.
@ i got it to work but its still is bad i install it and set it up but i had most problems with it i install Steam to try to Play games it wont even download it
Meh...I'll pass.
The concept of inclusivity pertains also to accessibility. Words mean what they mean, not the pejorative definitions given to them by maga.