Doesn't matter if you're an olympic gold medalist or ranked number 1. For them, everybody has an equal chance to represent their country. Every big tournament/event, everybody starts from the bottom. No advantage point. That's how hard their selection process is. They say, it's harder to make the cut in the korean archery selection than in making it in the olympics.
Korean National Archery Team selection process is the Olympic Games in itself. If you make it into that team, you are already an Olympic Gold Medalist.
So they select their team on merit, not seniority or past performance. It's not rocket science, but yet I see the so many examples of seniority and past performance being the decision point. ???
@@pfdtx4633 It's not that other countries not try to pick them on merit but it's just that they don't have many archers to choose from so if one is/was an Olympian, he/she will likely be at the next Olympics unless he/she retires. Koreans have more than double digit Olympic medal level archers in each gender so they are not playing the same game even if they are just shooting arrows like everyone else. It's not too different than NBA/US basketball vs a small country. US could take Lebron out b/c he's old - or pick a reason - and still be the favorite in the Olympics whereas if a small country doesn't pick the one/two players who play in the NBA, the team will be much weaker so they have to be picked short of them being injured/unable to play.
@@pfdtx4633 By rhe time they reach last 24, the point difference between 1st and 24th is less than 1 point of overall score from the scoring system done by measurement of the distance from the center of the x10.
Many wonders why Koreans rule archery. It's very simple, the ultimate competition. No bias judgement. The true definition of 'let the best player win'.
The amount of support offered to elite archers in Korea compared with many other countries is stupendous. In the USA we have many other Olympic and non-Olympic sports vying for the same monetary and social support that Korea gives to its advanced and elite archers.
@@adsfadsf-s3vthe one behind archery leads the Hyundai motors and the other leads just failed football association. That tells you something, doesn’t it? 😉
They did that for the World Cup in 2002 under Gus Hiddink. Unfortunately they went back to the old ways of preferring to bring in people with connections.
3 gold medalist in the last Tokyo Olympics 2020, An San didn't get selected but still Korea women archers able to sweep all the gold medals in Paris Olympics 2024. That's how fucking good Korean archers are.
Brutal selection process but fair and ultimately necessary. With such a big pool of talents, choosing athletes by past results are just too biased and frankly demoralizing for young and new talents who simply don't have prior experiences due to their ages. They keep on winning so they will continue to stick with this process. It's sad to see some former champions not returning to the big tournaments like Olympics.
Even the top players have to start from the bottom when it comes to Olympics try out. There is no seed or anything. It can be bad for some sports as the athletes won't be as motivated to stay in shape during the non olympics seasons, but it works for archery.
Their selection process wins them 5 golds, 1 silver, and 1 bronze in Paris Olympic Archery Games. They took all the golds and still not satisfied with that, they then took additional 1 silver and 1 bronze.😂
In the Philippines only rich people can participate in any international competition those who have talents cannot afford the cost of travel, stays, and fees to compete no support from government. So most people we send in the Olympics are mediocre but millionaires that can afford the cost but never won local competition.
@@poonamranjan981in korea the archery association pays all athletes’s training and education costs, equipment costs. So athletes do not pay any fees from elementary school to university
when you still see some archers like kim woojin popping up year after year, it just goes to show how good they really are, not that we need to be told it lol.
Korean local archery is much more harder compared to Olympics. The traditional Korean archery aims for 150m, which can shoot more than 300m in maximum. It's just their blood making them crazy for archery. China was famous for spear, Japan-sword, Korea-archery.
@@dowoonie Probably not completely true. I noticed one of the women with a bandaid on. Bow string rubbing against the skin hundreds of times if not thousands will definitely cause some irritation or bruising.
@@dowoonie lol I'm a Korean woman, and that's definitely makeup - either bb or cc cream with high SPF, which adds to the white cast and makes the rubbing off more noticeable.
Ini juga berpunca dripada jurulatih yg tidak berwibawa (bias, malas latih bakat baru, tidak mempunyai inisiatif utk meminta pengurusan bagi menaiktaraf infrastruktur)
Don't cry. There are other crying saying that meritocracy is dead, and now here is a place where it actually exists, there will be another ones crying because "its too tough" or its "mentally challenging"
What do you mean by school? If you meant by an actual archery school, that’s not what this video is showing. There isn’t an archery school per se in South Korea, but there are many schools (elementary through colleges) with archery teams and local chapters of hobbyists. After that, people interested in professional, competitive archery apply and participate in competitions throughout the country. Then the best of the best keeps getting filtered through more competitions until they become eligible to test for the Olympic team. Of course, you would have to be in Korea to even check out their widely available archery programs and you’d have to be a Korean citizen to be eligible to compete for the Korean Olympic team. But if you’re interested in archery, I’m sure you can find the opportunities in India (if you’re an Indian living in India). The Indian archers have been fierce at the Olympics recently, which implies great training available in India!
Well, only the top percent do get money, it's extremely hard to be in the top percent. Like maybe 20 archers or so, compound especially is more difficult as in competition (that's in Korea) they do not get money from the competition even if you win. You have to be a team to get some money while recurve archers get money if they win a medal in a competition (that's in Korea). They do get money if they go to another country for a competition, (compound and recurve). While the compound is getting known in Korea it isn't as big as the West, I quit being an elite archer in Korea last year. It's extremely difficult and very stressful, to be in the top percent you first have to be in the top 16 (or 18, I don't remember, also normal-ish archer, that includes middle school, high school, university students, and just adults that do archery for fun. These archers are mostly the older gen that has a job and do archery as a hobby or has a job that does archery) archers (plus the elite team, the team that mostly represented Korea in the last year or so, they are mostly the same archer and do not change. They get money as it is there job to do archery) and then have to be in another competition that determines that you are the top elite archer. (you might be able to enter the elite team) You have to fight other archers for the entire day and almost a week and then you could be in the team that represents Korea. And if you go to that team you have to fight again and again to be allowed in the competition, as you might be a 'spare elite archer' (in the elite team). (While I did both recurve and compound archery, I was mostly compound archer and the rules might have changed. So my knowledge is in the compound) And you get a bonus of course if you win a medal, and if you are in the team over again you get another bonus. (Of course, I'm talking about the compound as I'm not sure about the recurve. While recurve almost changes every year, the compound is a bit different as the top elite archers are monsters in their own right.) This is what I know as I never went into the elite team as while I was good I wasn't good enough to be in the top elite archers, did archery for 10 years and sadly couldn't be in the top percent. At least I fought with the top elite and lost by one point so I'm quite happy lmao.
I hear the top companies in S.Korea will have their own archery competitions and they will hire and pay alot of money who they deem as top archers to represent them
The rest of Korea is all about the school you went to and the people you know. If you ask any of the athletes they would prefer this even if they never get to go or they never get to go to the Olympics again. Also you can just change nationality if you really want to go as an elite Korean archer.
Technically it is the fair thing to do for everyone. But I guess the real question is whether or not this level of stressful competition is the right thing for the athletes, or society as a whole. Competition dominates everything. Should we focus humanity’s energy on collaboration instead, and demote the importance of sports to a fun activity? Or find a happier medium?
delusional. try finding a better job for the players instead of bleeding for olympics. it’s just impossible because they literally want to compete at the holy battlefield allowed for bests of bests.
Because there are too many top talents constantly challenging the title, unlike other nations where there is only one or two talent that stay there forever because there is no replacement available.
korea has an amazing pool of talented archers so there’s always a new face and its hard to remain on top. however, ki bobae (successful career + tv exposure) and an san (historic win in tokyo at 20) are definitely popular lol i can guarantee that if you ask korean locals on the street to name an archer these two would get mentioned the most
Hmmm... it is time for an san to be profesional athlete by joining to another country as naturalized player and face to face with her country... and let see that they make wrong decision by face to face... fair game 😊
An San was beaten by these archers in competition. It was very fair and objective. No one wins a spot because of any other criteria than you can shoot the best. Why should she get a special treatment?
Everything is fair when it comes to korean archery, An San knew it too, she will come back for sure, she just need to focus herself and fight again next time, after all she is already a legend, winning 3 gold Olympic medals is no joke.
Doesn't matter if you're an olympic gold medalist or ranked number 1. For them, everybody has an equal chance to represent their country. Every big tournament/event, everybody starts from the bottom. No advantage point. That's how hard their selection process is. They say, it's harder to make the cut in the korean archery selection than in making it in the olympics.
Korean National Archery Team selection process is the Olympic Games in itself. If you make it into that team, you are already an Olympic Gold Medalist.
So they select their team on merit, not seniority or past performance. It's not rocket science, but yet I see the so many examples of seniority and past performance being the decision point. ???
@@pfdtx4633 that's what great about their selection process. It eliminates the seniority all together. Every archer gets a chance.
@@pfdtx4633 It's not that other countries not try to pick them on merit but it's just that they don't have many archers to choose from so if one is/was an Olympian, he/she will likely be at the next Olympics unless he/she retires. Koreans have more than double digit Olympic medal level archers in each gender so they are not playing the same game even if they are just shooting arrows like everyone else.
It's not too different than NBA/US basketball vs a small country. US could take Lebron out b/c he's old - or pick a reason - and still be the favorite in the Olympics whereas if a small country doesn't pick the one/two players who play in the NBA, the team will be much weaker so they have to be picked short of them being injured/unable to play.
@@pfdtx4633 By rhe time they reach last 24, the point difference between 1st and 24th is less than 1 point of overall score from the scoring system done by measurement of the distance from the center of the x10.
Many wonders why Koreans rule archery.
It's very simple, the ultimate competition.
No bias judgement.
The true definition of 'let the best player win'.
so basically like every country
@@iche9373 how about australian break dancer
@@vinet4u how about Australian swimmer?
Before the ending I was thinking this would be great as a deep dive, or even a full series. Definitely watching as soon as it's out.
It would make a cool documentary.
The amount of support offered to elite archers in Korea compared with many other countries is stupendous. In the USA we have many other Olympic and non-Olympic sports vying for the same monetary and social support that Korea gives to its advanced and elite archers.
2:54 just in that one scene there are 7 Olympic gold medals 😂
Korea football association should take some notes from archery association
Yooooooo
korean football association and korean archery association both have presidents from Hyundai Chung family.
@@adsfadsf-s3vthe one behind archery leads the Hyundai motors and the other leads just failed football association. That tells you something, doesn’t it? 😉
They did that for the World Cup in 2002 under Gus Hiddink. Unfortunately they went back to the old ways of preferring to bring in people with connections.
@internetpeople6113 DEFINITELY the English F.A.!!
3 gold medalist in the last Tokyo Olympics 2020, An San didn't get selected but still Korea women archers able to sweep all the gold medals in Paris Olympics 2024. That's how fucking good Korean archers are.
Brutal selection process but fair and ultimately necessary. With such a big pool of talents, choosing athletes by past results are just too biased and frankly demoralizing for young and new talents who simply don't have prior experiences due to their ages. They keep on winning so they will continue to stick with this process. It's sad to see some former champions not returning to the big tournaments like Olympics.
Even the top players have to start from the bottom when it comes to Olympics try out. There is no seed or anything. It can be bad for some sports as the athletes won't be as motivated to stay in shape during the non olympics seasons, but it works for archery.
And the woman’s team bag another gold, 10th consecutive!
Complete domination 👏
Their selection process wins them 5 golds, 1 silver, and 1 bronze in Paris Olympic Archery Games. They took all the golds and still not satisfied with that, they then took additional 1 silver and 1 bronze.😂
1 silver and 1 bronze? Why not gold?
@@bruceparker6142 what are you talking about, they already take all 5 gold available. The 1 silver and 1 bronze is just additional.
@@bruceparker6142koreans competed themselves. They met on final
@@user-mw4it6rp4rk bro just lazy to think
So making it to the National team is much tougher than winning the Olympics medals. Got it
the truest form of meritocracy. this is how society should be operating
More like talent centrism that picks actually good people.
In the Philippines only rich people can participate in any international competition those who have talents cannot afford the cost of travel, stays, and fees to compete no support from government. So most people we send in the Olympics are mediocre but millionaires that can afford the cost but never won local competition.
What can be the best plan possible to curb this issue?
Didnt a poor girl weightlifter just won a gold medal in the last Olympics?
hey don't generalise!!
@@poonamranjan981in korea the archery association pays all athletes’s training and education costs, equipment costs. So athletes do not pay any fees from elementary school to university
Why don’t states or spots association pay?? I can not understand
Very inspiring. I expected nothing less from the Korean Archery team, the best archers in the World
I hope this documentary is available on UA-cam I can't wait to watch the whole episode
Such method is bulletproof, given the golds they get recently. Nothing is coincidental.
when you still see some archers like kim woojin popping up year after year, it just goes to show how good they really are, not that we need to be told it lol.
I like this kind of selection process, all fair. You win if you're the best not any other conditions
Korean local archery is much more harder compared to Olympics.
The traditional Korean archery aims for 150m, which can shoot more than 300m in maximum. It's just their blood making them crazy for archery.
China was famous for spear, Japan-sword, Korea-archery.
I didn't know that they choose the players like that 🤯
I'm want to watch this. I went to the website but noticed it's for EU only. I'm in the US.
The last frontier of the ahchery is the game of moving target.
And their men team won gold again 😂
Kim Hyung Tak hit the nail on the head regarding other countries.
Wow, everyone got a vertical scar under their lip. I think they shoot more than one million arrows...
That's where their makeup's rubbed off.
@@munchkin0518 Sunscreen. They load up like crazy on the sunscreen
@@dowoonie Probably not completely true. I noticed one of the women with a bandaid on. Bow string rubbing against the skin hundreds of times if not thousands will definitely cause some irritation or bruising.
@@SublimeDevNull it’s definitely a combination of both. The loaded on sunscreen makes the marks much more apparent though.
@@dowoonie lol I'm a Korean woman, and that's definitely makeup - either bb or cc cream with high SPF, which adds to the white cast and makes the rubbing off more noticeable.
correction: an joined the national team in 2018, not 2021.
Malaysia patut belajar dari mereka bukam harap atlet yang sama ja
Msia ada potential dkt archery, tpi budget dan perhatian diberikan kpd tempat yg kurang tepat. Contohnya bole sepak malaysia
Ini juga berpunca dripada jurulatih yg tidak berwibawa (bias, malas latih bakat baru, tidak mempunyai inisiatif utk meminta pengurusan bagi menaiktaraf infrastruktur)
한국에서 대한양궁협회를 제외한 나머지 스포츠협회들은 비리와 갑질로 전부 썩어있습니다
simple jer.. jangan pilih kasih😎👍🏹🥇🇲🇾
Meritocracy at its most extreme
At its best
Don't cry. There are other crying saying that meritocracy is dead, and now here is a place where it actually exists, there will be another ones crying because "its too tough" or its "mentally challenging"
İsterseniz 100000 ok atın sonuç değişmeyecek.
I'm Indian and want to join this school, is it possible?
What do you mean by school? If you meant by an actual archery school, that’s not what this video is showing. There isn’t an archery school per se in South Korea, but there are many schools (elementary through colleges) with archery teams and local chapters of hobbyists. After that, people interested in professional, competitive archery apply and participate in competitions throughout the country. Then the best of the best keeps getting filtered through more competitions until they become eligible to test for the Olympic team. Of course, you would have to be in Korea to even check out their widely available archery programs and you’d have to be a Korean citizen to be eligible to compete for the Korean Olympic team. But if you’re interested in archery, I’m sure you can find the opportunities in India (if you’re an Indian living in India). The Indian archers have been fierce at the Olympics recently, which implies great training available in India!
Is archery lucrative in Korea? Do the top archers make a lot of money?
Well, only the top percent do get money, it's extremely hard to be in the top percent. Like maybe 20 archers or so, compound especially is more difficult as in competition (that's in Korea) they do not get money from the competition even if you win. You have to be a team to get some money while recurve archers get money if they win a medal in a competition (that's in Korea). They do get money if they go to another country for a competition, (compound and recurve). While the compound is getting known in Korea it isn't as big as the West, I quit being an elite archer in Korea last year. It's extremely difficult and very stressful, to be in the top percent you first have to be in the top 16 (or 18, I don't remember, also normal-ish archer, that includes middle school, high school, university students, and just adults that do archery for fun. These archers are mostly the older gen that has a job and do archery as a hobby or has a job that does archery) archers (plus the elite team, the team that mostly represented Korea in the last year or so, they are mostly the same archer and do not change. They get money as it is there job to do archery) and then have to be in another competition that determines that you are the top elite archer. (you might be able to enter the elite team) You have to fight other archers for the entire day and almost a week and then you could be in the team that represents Korea. And if you go to that team you have to fight again and again to be allowed in the competition, as you might be a 'spare elite archer' (in the elite team). (While I did both recurve and compound archery, I was mostly compound archer and the rules might have changed. So my knowledge is in the compound) And you get a bonus of course if you win a medal, and if you are in the team over again you get another bonus. (Of course, I'm talking about the compound as I'm not sure about the recurve. While recurve almost changes every year, the compound is a bit different as the top elite archers are monsters in their own right.) This is what I know as I never went into the elite team as while I was good I wasn't good enough to be in the top elite archers, did archery for 10 years and sadly couldn't be in the top percent. At least I fought with the top elite and lost by one point so I'm quite happy lmao.
I hear the top companies in S.Korea will have their own archery competitions and they will hire and pay alot of money who they deem as top archers to represent them
They have many club teams sponsored by companies and municipal governments, so many archers can make living.
@@404-not-found-Hkimi dude no one is gonna read all that.
I read everything. @@Jaykmane
😮
The rest of Korea is all about the school you went to and the people you know. If you ask any of the athletes they would prefer this even if they never get to go or they never get to go to the Olympics again. Also you can just change nationality if you really want to go as an elite Korean archer.
나무늘보
The only reason the mens haven't received every gold is because the good Korean players go to teach other Countries for $$
Technically it is the fair thing to do for everyone. But I guess the real question is whether or not this level of stressful competition is the right thing for the athletes, or society as a whole. Competition dominates everything. Should we focus humanity’s energy on collaboration instead, and demote the importance of sports to a fun activity? Or find a happier medium?
delusional. try finding a better job for the players instead of bleeding for olympics. it’s just impossible because they literally want to compete at the holy battlefield allowed for bests of bests.
运动员们真的有很多不为人知的辛酸，加油！
There are no celebrity Archers in Korea.
Ki Bo-bae
Ann San
You gotta be kidding...
This video starts with 'Ki Bo Bae' Stadium (0:04).
They've named a stadium after her name...lol
Because there are too many top talents constantly challenging the title, unlike other nations where there is only one or two talent that stay there forever because there is no replacement available.
korea has an amazing pool of talented archers so there’s always a new face and its hard to remain on top. however, ki bobae (successful career + tv exposure) and an san (historic win in tokyo at 20) are definitely popular lol i can guarantee that if you ask korean locals on the street to name an archer these two would get mentioned the most
Ruthless? Clickbait much?
too many resources put into usless objectives, gold medals, then what?
Uh, gold medals are the objective. No one is forced to be an archer, This is not North Korea. And "useless" is your own value judgement, not theirs.
Archery is part of Korean heritage and identity.
Someone..Feminist
I like feminist. I am feminist
Support faminist but not fake one
@@user-gx66ghj55 The problem is that few feminists speak of true equality
Only korean incel use feminist as insult.
such an annoyingly rage-bait comment
Hmmm... it is time for an san to be profesional athlete by joining to another country as naturalized player and face to face with her country... and let see that they make wrong decision by face to face... fair game 😊
An San was beaten by these archers in competition. It was very fair and objective. No one wins a spot because of any other criteria than you can shoot the best. Why should she get a special treatment?
She is a patriot. She will accept this result. Please support her.
So good attitude of An San...
Maybe it is time to take a rest for a moment... and have a quality time...
She have been the legend... ✊😉
Everything is fair when it comes to korean archery, An San knew it too, she will come back for sure, she just need to focus herself and fight again next time, after all she is already a legend, winning 3 gold Olympic medals is no joke.
Update: women Korean team sweep all 3 gold medal at Olympic France 2024..lim sihyeon won 3 gold..team,mix team & individual 😅😅😅