Thanks so much for clearing this up for me. I have both grafted and root stock in my garden here in Grand Rapids, and both perform very well, but my gardens are only 3 years old, so time might tell. In 1965 my grandmother who lived in Costa Mesa, CA, gave my mother a cutting from her Queen Elizabeth rose, and it flourished forever in our garden in San Diego. When I was leaving California, I sent cuttings to a friend in Atlanta, and it's thriving there. Now that he's retired, I'm going to have him send me cuttings from that bush, so the tradition lives on. I do have a Queen Elizabeth in my garden here, and it brings back lots of memories.
Thanks - I just added QE this year, not in response to the real-life QE's passing, but earlier on in the year just because it has such a reputation as a bloom machine!
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Mine was still blooming into the first frosts here. It's a tall, narrow bush, so it looks good behind lower growing roses or perennials. I don't cut a lot of roses since I really enjoy them in the garden, cut I did bring some in when QE passed.
I just dove into the idea of grafting and learned a few things: For US growers, UC Davis offers lots of different rootstocks (and overstock roses) cheaply, they are cuttings and need to be rooted. Small companies offer Fortuniana and multiflora as roses that could be used to graft. Also I was able to order 2 R. Canina rootstock seeds (from a very reputable company.) Now I need to warm stratify for months, then cold stratify, then plant. Once they grow I can try grafting as an experiment!
That's going to be a lot of fun Anne! I haven't had enough time to play around to my heart's content, but I'd love to do some multi-grafted roses around the yard.
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Really enjoyed your presentation, which I was just watching on my television. My experiences with grafted vs own root are really interesting. When I started, I didn't know that it mattered. I read a great book about northern gardens, and a family in the Chicago suburbs swore by Pickering Nurseries (how I miss them!!!) They had a lot of old garden roses, which is where I started. So I ordered from them. Their roses were grafted on multiflora, and bareroot. Because of the light weight of bare root roses, they were dirt cheap. Their two-foot bare roots were $14.00 each, and shipping for three or four roses was $18.00. So I went nuts. The trick was getting them into the ground, and Pickering was great about advising that you dig the holes before you even unwrap them, which was good for me because I found soaking roses was iffy. Using their instructions, I had 100% success. I have Pickering roses that I bought over 20 years ago that have never reverted, even though I actually exposed the graft union of Marie Pavie. I had to laugh when you mentioned Charles de Mills. I bought one from Forest Farm, which doesn't generally provide roses. It came with blooms in the box! I love this rose. That was in 2012. The only issue for me was that thrips would attack them and destroy the blooms. I apply a systemic (acephate) that prevents it (they do it to white peonies and deutzia scabra too!) Wonderful rose. Then, in 2018, one appeared to the left - perfectly spaced. In 2019 a second one to the left of the sucker, perfectly placed. Then a third in 2020. Again, great placement! But last year one appeared in front of the original rose outside the bed, and that puppy will have to be moved. Pushy Chuck! Now I go with own root only, unless there is a particular reason. I really wanted rose 'At Last', which is just spectacular, a blooming wonder. I ordered it from White Flower Farm and was surprised and pleased to find that my one-gallon plant was own root! Great!
So very interesting!!!!! Palatine often uses Laxa on OGR for the suckering of those like Charles de Mill, but they did not this year and may not next year, according to the e-mail they sent me.. A small group of rose growers is trying Fortuniana as a way to help roses be more drought tolerant in low rainfall climates. I agree about Distant Drums needs either warm weather or grafting as everyone (including nurseries) around the wet cool PNW has said when I did a survey of around 100 rosarians. Now to find DD on Multiflora instead of Rose Mosaiced Huey.
I learn so much with your channel ! big thanks ! I understand now why some "landscape rose" (I don't no the english term, such like DécorosierⓇ) are sold grafted.
I really enjoy your videos, this one’s no exception 👍 I also find them useful for broader plant types even though you’re speaking specifically about roses. For example, a lot of fruit trees are also grafted and I suspect a lot of these ideas could be applied to them too. Thanks again 👍
Thanks Kate. I actually had shot a little section comparing the reasons to why you'd graft apples onto dwarf rootstock, or even graft tomatoes in production greenhouses. Then I got inside to edit, one thing led to another and it got left on the cutting room floor (so to speak). Oh well. A topic for another time maybe.
Thank you for your video. I just have found your channel. Going to benge watch later tonight 😂 This past year I have found a new calling with flowers and I absolutely love roses. Looking forward to learning a lot from you, your channel and you faithful followers. Thanks again. 🙃
If you were to see me in the street or public environment you would probably just look at me and say “eh just another thug looking for trouble” … and you might of been right a few years back on the latter… Sometimes I find myself in the garden section looking at the plants and I get funny looks like if I was going to shove a rose in my pants and walk out or something .. the truth is I never liked a thief especially those who take from their own people who worked for what they got… Dont get me wrong I’m still a knuckle head but I’d never hurt a innocent person or thing. Thank you for these lessons it really does help me find a way out and keep me busy trying to propagate roses . Even after dozens of failed attempts I havnt given up on the rose . My girlfriend looks at me like I’m crazy with all these boxes of cuttings and buckets of medium .. there’s a garden ran by a university and older master gardeners which when i was incarcerated as a juvenile ,was trusted and granted the privileged to be able to pull weeds at the rose test garden, Years later it’s still there and I go there and take some cuttings , only because I remember one of the master gardeners years ago said i was part of this garden now and could come as i please… I always wonder if they still remember me when im there because I never am questioned by any of them or even bothered . I know a couple of them just look at me from the distance and think to themselves “ huh a thug picking some roses and taking some cuttings “ ..:. I hope master gardeners read this and if you see some thug picking a rose cuttings just know he probably trying to get away from his past and be left alone .. most the time…
Thanks. I do have one project on the go right now (hardwood cuttings of blueberry plants, plus some perennial cuttings on a lit bench) - it'll just be some time before I can wrap up any results.
I bought 5 grafted roses from two local nurseries last Spring. One of the roses would grow lush leaves and beautiful flowers first, then develop a lot of tiny yellow spots on its leaves. The yellow spots quickly enlarged, making the entire leaf yellow, weak, and eventually drop. The rose was rendered to a bunch of bare branches in this manner, shortly before new leaves pushed out. This vicious cycle repeated 3 times within a five-month span until I contact my local extension. A master gardener from the extension believes it is an unknown virus. Suspicion confirmed, I promptly dug out the rose and replaced it with a gardenia. With this experience, I’d think twice before purchasing another grafted rose next time.
I have 300 rose bushes. About half are grafted. Your local extension gave you bad advice. You should have asked a rosarian at your local rose society instead to evaluate the leaves and soil. My guess is overwatering. That's the exact symptoms. A rosarian would have told you that.
Thank you so much, very instructive and very well explained your videos, I love flowers and obviously roses 😊, but I don't know much about them so I learn so much from your videos, I am so grateful, thank you ❤! ... And that rainbow behind, what a great view for good auspicious!
Oh No! The dreaded grafted vs own root stock discussion. This is exactly the reason I stopped doing roses 40 years ago. I got so tired of the rose societies snotty, disdainfully condescending attitude with no beneficial conversation that I just stopped altogether. I absolutely agree that own root stock is far superior for genuine longevity and consistently healthy plants generally speaking. However, as you mentioned, there are so many reasons for grafting. As a person who has grown up in agriculture, grafting is literally a way of life and decisions of grafting are made based on the best possible result in each situation. Most of my early experience was grafting fruit trees, but grafting and cuttings are a huge part of agriculture as a whole. You mentioned tomatoes, many people don't know that so much of the produce we eat has been grafted and or propagated from cuttings. Bananas, papaya, coconut, rice, corn, squash, turmeric, ginger, coffee, wheat, sugar, and so on. The most important thing to understand is how each plant responds throughout the process of grafting and propagating new cuttings. The vulnerabilities of modified propagation methods like grafting and air layering in particular are compounded by possible pests or diseases that can be introduced to the plants and inherent weaknesses that can naturally develop because of these methods. This does not mean they are bad methods, but it does mean they have much higher risk of failure and complications. The positive side is the possibility of finding a better solution for stronger healthier plants that might otherwise struggle to grow. I prefer own root whenever possible, but will gladly accept a grafted or air layered plant for eventual cuttings of my own. I can't imagine how many videos you have started that end up on the "Cutting Room Floor" or end up in a completely different place by the time you are done. Great topic of conversation.🤙
Thanks Gw Builder. It's definitely something worth weighing the pros and cons for each crop. Grapes are pretty much all grafted in my region because of a soil pest (phylloxera) - and I'd never second-guess a gardener or grower who appreciates the benefits of grafting. I was having dinner with a retired vineyard manager a while back. In his mind it was kind of "silly" for me to grow own-root instead of grafted. He told me that at some points in his vineyard, he would decide to change crops, and all they had to do was "graft on a new variety to the existing rootstock". Neat, I thought! Not really for me, but something to be appreciated anyway.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm The funny thing is that "root stock" he is referring to is in fact own root stock depending upon which variety he switches back to. You are so right about adapting to the region you intend to grow in. If you want home grown grapes in your area, clearly only certain varieties will be successful there, which means using a modified method for propagation and harvest. The only thing silly is being close-minded for the sake of personal opinion. Specialty growers (most) will tend to have that elitist type attitude about their "superior" growing method, but in all honesty, good experienced growers will find multiple ways to get things to grow successfully.😉🤙
The fact is that you are a pro in this area and you could graft your own plants...I can't and if a branch stop producing roses what can I do? The general shape of the rose plant is probably compromise...
@@Alfakkin Perhaps, but being able to diagnose the problem with the plant is your first step. If there is an insect or nutrition issue, most of the time recovery is fairly quick and not as severe as assumed. Unfortunately identifying the problem is sometimes difficult, other times just understanding about the plants you are growing will help you identify the issue. Simple things like watering can be confusing because many of the symptoms are the same for over and under watering. Drooping branches and leaves, yellowing, and so on. This is where more careful looking at the soil for moisture (too much or not enough) deeper under the surface to identify drainage or soil composition aspects. For example the surface of soil might be very wet, but deeper down it is dry. The soil composition needs to be amended with sand, gravel or other products to make the soil more porous so water can penetrate to the roots of the plant. The same solution can also be applied to a with too much moisture ateound the roots by adding amendments to allow that moisture to get away from the plant. Sometimes grafting problems are root stock related and other times not. If you have more than one to compare with can be very helpful in identifying what might be happening. Sometimes grafts fail. I grafted 2 Sharwil avocados side by side on the same day. One tree took off rather quickly and was flourishing, the was slow to get started and took a year and and a half to really get established. All of a sudden the first tree started to blacken and die at the root stock and eventually the whole tree died, the other tree I just dug up last month and put in a 35 gallon pot to move onto the new property. It's over 8 feet tall. There is always a certain amount of risk when dealing with grafted plants and involves many aspects: The quality of the company doing the grafting. The expertise of the actual grafter. The quality of root stock. The quality of the grafted scion. The quality of care that plant receives during its development and recover after the graft. The length of time between grafting and sale of the plant. The quality of care during transport to the seller. The quality of care the seller provides. And the all the steps taken to get the plant home, prepare a place for the plant, get it planted, and the level of understanding how to properly help that plant succeed in its new home. The process of grafting is quite simple once you understand the specific details, but no matter how good a person might be at grafting, not everything works out. When a plant fails, I carefully evaluate the entire process so I can identify what caused the failure (and it happens quite regularly). I have tried to graft a certain mango tree probably 50 or 60 times and all attempts have failed. I finally discovered that tiny fire ants that look like specks of dust were getting in to the graft wound and eating all of healing sap basically killing the scions. Learning takes time and sometimes a bit of heartache along the way.
I do the same like you. I bought grafted one and propagated the own root. Do have trouble with grafted like crown gall and kanker that tiring me. Thanks for the sharing. Appreciate it.
I would say 80% of my roses on on their own roots. I had Double Delight tea rose which was grafted it it only lasted 3 years then kicked the bucket. So own roots better! A lot of my old roses came from the Old rose nursery on Hornby island, BC. So sad it is not there any more.
I had William Shakespeare rose from David Austin roses bought some years ago. It was an awesome grower, however I had to transplant it. Unfortunately I now have weedy sort of growths coming up from the rootstock, 3 years later I am still not rid of it. None of these stems have ever produced a flower, they are just as annoying as a raspberry vine.🧐
I bought a Zephirine Drouhin climbing rose at Lowes. It was on clearance for $20. I planted in the ground and let it grow over the trellis. But it took 4 years to bloom. I finally realized that my rose was NOT the zephirine drouhin. It looks very much like the Multiflora, a rootstock, but it is thornless. I'm very upset. Now I need to get rid of this thing, or maybe I can get cuttings of the zephirine drouhin to graft onto it.
This was really good. You answered every question that popped in my head! I have both in my roses and Japanese maples. The grafted ones slightly creep me out lol! But they’re so pretty eh! Jason, what is your HISEA code? My boots just sprung a leak and those are just what I need. As always, Thank you!
Hi Jason! I've been watching through a bunch of your videos, I am a bit disappointed in the quality of the standard roses available to me here. I'm thinking about trying to grow root and stem stock so I can graft my own. What should I grow? I'd love to see a video from you on how to do this 🙏🙏💕
I have a question about the potted roses that are available at the big box stores which is where I tend to buy the generic plants I use in my yard like Knock Out roses, Drift roses, etc. I went to a big box store this weekend and they had a great looking rose from Star. I couldnt tell whether is twas grafted or own root. But some of them looked like they were buried way too deep in the pot and you couldnt really see the crown of the plant. Some of them did stick up a little. Do you have any videos of the planting process that talk about whether you should pull all the dirt back from the top of potted roses until you see roots and that should be your planting depth???????
I did a little on potting depth in these videos (a while ago) - bare root: ua-cam.com/video/d3OI2lzPzDQ/v-deo.html and own root: ua-cam.com/video/8fNRsm0Qaoo/v-deo.html my answer has always been to plant the crown around soil level, and it's always been a good answer for me in my climate. A few people say "plant high" and quite a few more say "plant deep" - especially in colder climates. I wouldn't argue with local knowledge, and it's really not such a problem if you plant deeper than I do.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thank you. I appreciate that. I will watch them. So I am assuming that roses dont have the issues some other plants have where they will suffocate if planted too deep????? Also, any chance you documented how you built those little fences???? They look very nice as a back drop for small beds and support for bigger rose bushes.
I have heard there is several different methods of grafting. What would be the most successful method? When grafting what would be the minimum diameter of the rootstock you would put the scion onto? Would the best way be to do grafting be a scion and rootstock of almost exactly the same diameter? In the near future I want to graft a meyer lemon onto a lemon rootstock.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm can you please explain what those grafting methods are and show them in a video. I will appreciate it. The only things I know about grafting is that your tools need to be very clean and the scion is the top choice variety and the rootstock is what you are grafting onto.
Can you grow Morden’s Blush at Fraser Valley? I have been searching for these for two years now and I can’t find it. I think you could sell it out if you are permitted to propagate them. Lou
Thanks Lou. I had it spring of 2021, but sales were a bit slow so I didn't reorder in spring of 2022. It's a little vulnerable to downy mildew in this area, but has very pretty flowers. I'll see if I can get a few in stock again at some point, but the ordering windows are closed for most suppliers right now.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm If you get one please let me know. I’m trying to grow a bit of a rose garden in northern Wyoming! So hard to find a rose I want for this zone between 3-4. Thank you so much for replying. I’m also going to ask a few locals about taking cuttings from their roses - what I believe is ‘Harrison’s Yellow.’ They seem to bloom once in the spring with tons of arching branches loaded with glorious yellow roses. Apparently they were brought into this area by pioneers who settled here back in 1910’s. I’m listening to your video “Rose Propagation Q&A Fraser Valley Rose Farm//Grow Roses” right now!! So great all the info you offer on your channel.
Your videos are informative as usual, thank you. Do you only sell varieties at your farm that perform well in own roots? I am hoping to get able to get some of the English style ones from you as own root plants, like Chippendale, sweet mademoiselle, stiletto and David Austin’s. Thanks.
Thanks Kelly. The ones I propagate myself are grown on their own roots. I do supplement the assortment with some grafted varieties - so I can sell the ones I'm not licensed to propagate. I'll be working on the website this winter to divide or otherwise clearly mark which ones are which on the online store. I don't have Chippendale, Sweet Mademoiselle or Stiletto in my collection, but I'm working on propagating some other English roses I've recently added.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm hi Jason, I remember you sell Stephens big purple. I love the blooms but heard it’s not disease resistant or very prolific in our area, that stiletto is a better pick. Could you comment? Thanks and look forward to your updated site.
Still a little puzzled. Some once-blooming roses only bloom on older wood, but since you're only pruning dead, diseased & damaged wood, there should still be plenty there for blooming whether they're repeat-bloomers or not. I'd review the basics: soil, sun exposure, feeding, consistent moisture - and if there's no answer in the condition, I'd be tempted to replace with more floriferous varieties.
I live in zone 7A and can easily plant grafted roses but I just don't. I find it very Frankenstein'ish and look at plants as living things. I don't understand why a rose can't just be a rose. Everything just to make a few more dollars. I think it's terrible and customers should insist on own root. In every way they're healthier. I haven't lost an own root yet. I haven't found any trouble finding the roses I want, but then I'm a huge fan of Kordes and they're widely available as own root.
I used to buy own root roses but for the past few years nearly all are grafted. Hard to find ownroot in nurseries nowadays. I am not a fan of grafted. One grafted just pop out crown gall, 5 died because the bud union suddenly rotted. Now, i am trying to propagate the ones that seems established and have grown sturdier canes. BTW, is it safe to stem propagate the one with crown gall? The nasty lump is still small but i am wondering if the bacteria would travel throughout the whole plant.
Online sources are a little mixed, but it's probably safest (if you're confident in the diagnosis) to remove the whole plant. At least one university site claims the cuttings would be likely infected too.
Hey. I just received 4 grafted Mr. Lincoln. I was hoping for them to be own root. Do you know whether or not if I separated them from the graft union that the actual plant will grow its own roots? I was thinking about trying to experiment on one of them.
I always love a good experiment, but my gut says that it'll be easier for you to root a stem cutting from fresh growth than to convince the tissue at the graft union to throw new roots quickly after separation.
I'm surprised anybody would graft onto a multiflora rose rootstock commercially nowadays. Are they using a sterile variety that can't self seed? To anybody who buys one of those, please be careful. You don't want it to sucker and then make flowers and seeds. It is an extremely invasive plant and is labeled a noxious weed here in VA and many other states, and for good reason. Many areas around me are so crowded with multiflora rose and Japanese barberry that there's hardly any room for native species to grow, and when it's not them it's oriental bittersweet and wineberry.
I take your point - I don't graft at all myself, but some people of course praise the R. multiflora rootstock for performance over a wide range of soils. Your concern is ecological, theirs more about getting the strongest rose established quickly in the landscape. The type they use are not sterile as far as I know, so there's potential for escapees, particularly if you get rootstock suckers that go undetected in the landscape for a while.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm That definitely makes sense. They do have very strong roots. I can cut them down multiple times in a year all the way to the ground and they always come back. They don't care whether the soil is heavy clay or high silt content, an open field or dense shade underneath trees in a forest. And the birds spread the seeds everywhere. I'm a bit biased because there are areas on my property that were completely open 15 years ago, with wild black raspberries, cardinal flower, and other interesting natives, and now they are impenetrable multiflora rose thickets made of hundreds of plants, thousands in some places.
I have a ? I seen a video where someone took a rose in bloom and pulled the petals off and then cut the center off. Turn it upside down and put some type of dark liquid on it then inserted it into a slice of banana and planted it. And the a new rose stem grew from the bottom side of the bud. He planted the bud upside down. Can roses grow backwards like that? Or was that that fake?
I saw the same video in my recommendations recently. Total fake. The roots and fresh shoot are glued on! I can't believe how UA-cam recommends staged videos over real propagation.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm yea i was thinking it was fake. Never heard of a plant growing backwards. Lol. And yea i agree. They tackle the wrong things lol.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I just watched that video yesterday. The video from India. I noticed that he selected half mature rose hips and they magically rooted and sprouted in 20 days. The biggest miracle is that there was only one sprout from each hip. Absolutely amazing considering how many seeds are in each hip.🤣
How is the rootstock produced though? With varieties of citrus, for it to be the same, it must be a clone or a cutting. Growing from seed will never produce an identical plant to the parent. For the tops it is pretty simple. Have tree, cut tree, graft tree. Multiple trees. How do they get rootstock with the same characteristics over and over, and obviously in vast quantities? They must be rooted cuttings from a mother plant I guess. There is just some guy in the world who is rooting the same rose over and over again, only to lop it off as soon as it has leaves. What a monster.
It does seem pretty brutal when you say it that way! Dr. Huey is from cuttings, as is R. x. 'Fortuniana' I think. Multiflora can be mass planted by seed with not too much variability, and I know at least one Canadian supplier confirmed they produce their rootstock from seed.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I do a lot of gardening for pleasure and am a commercial farmer for a large company as well. I can google anything I want and get an answer straight away. I love that about our modern life. That being said, you are one of the only channels that leaves me asking questions I never knew I wanted the answers to. Thank you so much.
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Thanks so much for clearing this up for me. I have both grafted and root stock in my garden here in Grand Rapids, and both perform very well, but my gardens are only 3 years old, so time might tell. In 1965 my grandmother who lived in Costa Mesa, CA, gave my mother a cutting from her Queen Elizabeth rose, and it flourished forever in our garden in San Diego. When I was leaving California, I sent cuttings to a friend in Atlanta, and it's thriving there. Now that he's retired, I'm going to have him send me cuttings from that bush, so the tradition lives on. I do have a Queen Elizabeth in my garden here, and it brings back lots of memories.
Thanks - I just added QE this year, not in response to the real-life QE's passing, but earlier on in the year just because it has such a reputation as a bloom machine!
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Mine was still blooming into the first frosts here. It's a tall, narrow bush, so it looks good behind lower growing roses or perennials. I don't cut a lot of roses since I really enjoy them in the garden, cut I did bring some in when QE passed.
I just dove into the idea of grafting and learned a few things: For US growers, UC Davis offers lots of different rootstocks (and overstock roses) cheaply, they are cuttings and need to be rooted. Small companies offer Fortuniana and multiflora as roses that could be used to graft. Also I was able to order 2 R. Canina rootstock seeds (from a very reputable company.) Now I need to warm stratify for months, then cold stratify, then plant. Once they grow I can try grafting as an experiment!
That's going to be a lot of fun Anne! I haven't had enough time to play around to my heart's content, but I'd love to do some multi-grafted roses around the yard.
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Bless you and your family and business. Keep making the videos they are such a blessing
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Really enjoyed your presentation, which I was just watching on my television.
My experiences with grafted vs own root are really interesting. When I started, I didn't know that it mattered. I read a great book about northern gardens, and a family in the Chicago suburbs swore by Pickering Nurseries (how I miss them!!!) They had a lot of old garden roses, which is where I started. So I ordered from them. Their roses were grafted on multiflora, and bareroot. Because of the light weight of bare root roses, they were dirt cheap. Their two-foot bare roots were $14.00 each, and shipping for three or four roses was $18.00. So I went nuts. The trick was getting them into the ground, and Pickering was great about advising that you dig the holes before you even unwrap them, which was good for me because I found soaking roses was iffy. Using their instructions, I had 100% success. I have Pickering roses that I bought over 20 years ago that have never reverted, even though I actually exposed the graft union of Marie Pavie.
I had to laugh when you mentioned Charles de Mills. I bought one from Forest Farm, which doesn't generally provide roses. It came with blooms in the box! I love this rose. That was in 2012. The only issue for me was that thrips would attack them and destroy the blooms. I apply a systemic (acephate) that prevents it (they do it to white peonies and deutzia scabra too!) Wonderful rose. Then, in 2018, one appeared to the left - perfectly spaced. In 2019 a second one to the left of the sucker, perfectly placed. Then a third in 2020. Again, great placement! But last year one appeared in front of the original rose outside the bed, and that puppy will have to be moved. Pushy Chuck!
Now I go with own root only, unless there is a particular reason. I really wanted rose 'At Last', which is just spectacular, a blooming wonder. I ordered it from White Flower Farm and was surprised and pleased to find that my one-gallon plant was own root! Great!
So very interesting!!!!! Palatine often uses Laxa on OGR for the suckering of those like Charles de Mill, but they did not this year and may not next year, according to the e-mail they sent me.. A small group of rose growers is trying Fortuniana as a way to help roses be more drought tolerant in low rainfall climates. I agree about Distant Drums needs either warm weather or grafting as everyone (including nurseries) around the wet cool PNW has said when I did a survey of around 100 rosarians. Now to find DD on Multiflora instead of Rose Mosaiced Huey.
Thanks Anne. I've always struggle with the performance of Double Delight. Makes sense.
I learn so much with your channel ! big thanks ! I understand now why some "landscape rose" (I don't no the english term, such like DécorosierⓇ) are sold grafted.
I'm digging the rainbows in most of the outdoor shots.
I really enjoy your videos, this one’s no exception 👍
I also find them useful for broader plant types even though you’re speaking specifically about roses. For example, a lot of fruit trees are also grafted and I suspect a lot of these ideas could be applied to them too.
Thanks again 👍
Thanks Kate. I actually had shot a little section comparing the reasons to why you'd graft apples onto dwarf rootstock, or even graft tomatoes in production greenhouses. Then I got inside to edit, one thing led to another and it got left on the cutting room floor (so to speak). Oh well. A topic for another time maybe.
Great video. Thanks mate. I'll put a link for it into ARE so the members can catch up. Well done.
Thanks Darryl
Thank you for your video. I just have found your channel. Going to benge watch later tonight 😂
This past year I have found a new calling with flowers and I absolutely love roses.
Looking forward to learning a lot from you, your channel and you faithful followers.
Thanks again. 🙃
If you were to see me in the street or public environment you would probably just look at me and say “eh just another thug looking for trouble” … and you might of been right a few years back on the latter…
Sometimes I find myself in the garden section looking at the plants and I get funny looks like if I was going to shove a rose in my pants and walk out or something .. the truth is I never liked a thief especially those who take from their own people who worked for what they got…
Dont get me wrong I’m still a knuckle head but I’d never hurt a innocent person or thing.
Thank you for these lessons it really does help me find a way out and keep me busy trying to propagate roses . Even after dozens of failed attempts I havnt given up on the rose . My girlfriend looks at me like I’m crazy with all these boxes of cuttings and buckets of medium ..
there’s a garden ran by a university and older master gardeners which when i was incarcerated as a juvenile ,was trusted and granted the privileged to be able to pull weeds at the rose test garden,
Years later it’s still there and I go there and take some cuttings , only because I remember one of the master gardeners years ago said i was part of this garden now and could come as i please… I always wonder if they still remember me when im there because I never am questioned by any of them or even bothered .
I know a couple of them just look at me from the distance and think to themselves “ huh a thug picking some roses and taking some cuttings “ ..:.
I hope master gardeners read this and if you see some thug picking a rose cuttings just know he probably trying to get away from his past and be left alone .. most the time…
Late to the party here, but would love a video on roses that don’t do well on their own root.
I can't wait for more rose propagation videos!!!
Thanks. I do have one project on the go right now (hardwood cuttings of blueberry plants, plus some perennial cuttings on a lit bench) - it'll just be some time before I can wrap up any results.
Looking forward to watching your new project🙏
I bought 5 grafted roses from two local nurseries last Spring. One of the roses would grow lush leaves and beautiful flowers first, then develop a lot of tiny yellow spots on its leaves. The yellow spots quickly enlarged, making the entire leaf yellow, weak, and eventually drop. The rose was rendered to a bunch of bare branches in this manner, shortly before new leaves pushed out. This vicious cycle repeated 3 times within a five-month span until I contact my local extension. A master gardener from the extension believes it is an unknown virus. Suspicion confirmed, I promptly dug out the rose and replaced it with a gardenia. With this experience, I’d think twice before purchasing another grafted rose next time.
I have 300 rose bushes. About half are grafted. Your local extension gave you bad advice. You should have asked a rosarian at your local rose society instead to evaluate the leaves and soil. My guess is overwatering. That's the exact symptoms. A rosarian would have told you that.
Thank you so much, very instructive and very well explained your videos, I love flowers and obviously roses 😊, but I don't know much about them so I learn so much from your videos, I am so grateful, thank you ❤! ... And that rainbow behind, what a great view for good auspicious!
Thanks Gina!
Oh No! The dreaded grafted vs own root stock discussion.
This is exactly the reason I stopped doing roses 40 years ago. I got so tired of the rose societies snotty, disdainfully condescending attitude with no beneficial conversation that I just stopped altogether.
I absolutely agree that own root stock is far superior for genuine longevity and consistently healthy plants generally speaking.
However, as you mentioned, there are so many reasons for grafting.
As a person who has grown up in agriculture, grafting is literally a way of life and decisions of grafting are made based on the best possible result in each situation. Most of my early experience was grafting fruit trees, but grafting and cuttings are a huge part of agriculture as a whole.
You mentioned tomatoes, many people don't know that so much of the produce we eat has been grafted and or propagated from cuttings.
Bananas, papaya, coconut, rice, corn, squash, turmeric, ginger, coffee, wheat, sugar, and so on.
The most important thing to understand is how each plant responds throughout the process of grafting and propagating new cuttings.
The vulnerabilities of modified propagation methods like grafting and air layering in particular are compounded by possible pests or diseases that can be introduced to the plants and inherent weaknesses that can naturally develop because of these methods.
This does not mean they are bad methods, but it does mean they have much higher risk of failure and complications.
The positive side is the possibility of finding a better solution for stronger healthier plants that might otherwise struggle to grow.
I prefer own root whenever possible, but will gladly accept a grafted or air layered plant for eventual cuttings of my own.
I can't imagine how many videos you have started that end up on the "Cutting Room Floor" or end up in a completely different place by the time you are done.
Great topic of conversation.🤙
Thanks Gw Builder. It's definitely something worth weighing the pros and cons for each crop. Grapes are pretty much all grafted in my region because of a soil pest (phylloxera) - and I'd never second-guess a gardener or grower who appreciates the benefits of grafting. I was having dinner with a retired vineyard manager a while back. In his mind it was kind of "silly" for me to grow own-root instead of grafted. He told me that at some points in his vineyard, he would decide to change crops, and all they had to do was "graft on a new variety to the existing rootstock". Neat, I thought! Not really for me, but something to be appreciated anyway.
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The funny thing is that "root stock" he is referring to is in fact own root stock depending upon which variety he switches back to.
You are so right about adapting to the region you intend to grow in.
If you want home grown grapes in your area, clearly only certain varieties will be successful there, which means using a modified method for propagation and harvest.
The only thing silly is being close-minded for the sake of personal opinion.
Specialty growers (most) will tend to have that elitist type attitude about their "superior" growing method, but in all honesty, good experienced growers will find multiple ways to get things to grow successfully.😉🤙
The fact is that you are a pro in this area and you could graft your own plants...I can't and if a branch stop producing roses what can I do? The general shape of the rose plant is probably compromise...
@@Alfakkin Perhaps, but being able to diagnose the problem with the plant is your first step. If there is an insect or nutrition issue, most of the time recovery is fairly quick and not as severe as assumed.
Unfortunately identifying the problem is sometimes difficult, other times just understanding about the plants you are growing will help you identify the issue.
Simple things like watering can be confusing because many of the symptoms are the same for over and under watering.
Drooping branches and leaves, yellowing, and so on. This is where more careful looking at the soil for moisture (too much or not enough) deeper under the surface to identify drainage or soil composition aspects.
For example the surface of soil might be very wet, but deeper down it is dry. The soil composition needs to be amended with sand, gravel or other products to make the soil more porous so water can penetrate to the roots of the plant.
The same solution can also be applied to a with too much moisture ateound the roots by adding amendments to allow that moisture to get away from the plant.
Sometimes grafting problems are root stock related and other times not.
If you have more than one to compare with can be very helpful in identifying what might be happening.
Sometimes grafts fail.
I grafted 2 Sharwil avocados side by side on the same day. One tree took off rather quickly and was flourishing, the was slow to get started and took a year and and a half to really get established. All of a sudden the first tree started to blacken and die at the root stock and eventually the whole tree died, the other tree I just dug up last month and put in a 35 gallon pot to move onto the new property. It's over 8 feet tall.
There is always a certain amount of risk when dealing with grafted plants and involves many aspects:
The quality of the company doing the grafting.
The expertise of the actual grafter.
The quality of root stock.
The quality of the grafted scion.
The quality of care that plant receives during its development and recover after the graft.
The length of time between grafting and sale of the plant.
The quality of care during transport to the seller.
The quality of care the seller provides.
And the all the steps taken to get the plant home, prepare a place for the plant, get it planted, and the level of understanding how to properly help that plant succeed in its new home.
The process of grafting is quite simple once you understand the specific details, but no matter how good a person might be at grafting, not everything works out.
When a plant fails, I carefully evaluate the entire process so I can identify what caused the failure (and it happens quite regularly). I have tried to graft a certain mango tree probably 50 or 60 times and all attempts have failed. I finally discovered that tiny fire ants that look like specks of dust were getting in to the graft wound and eating all of healing sap basically killing the scions.
Learning takes time and sometimes a bit of heartache along the way.
I love roses, thank you for the video. Very informative. Ester. From Texas😊
Thanks!
I do the same like you. I bought grafted one and propagated the own root. Do have trouble with grafted like crown gall and kanker that tiring me. Thanks for the sharing. Appreciate it.
My pleasure Chelsea.
I would say 80% of my roses on on their own roots. I had Double Delight tea rose which was grafted it it only lasted 3 years then kicked the bucket. So own roots better! A lot of my old roses came from the Old rose nursery on Hornby island, BC. So sad it is not there any more.
It's too bad that we lost so many interesting suppliers - I used to love to check those sites!
Thank you Jason. Great information! 🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄❄️💚🙃
Thank you Judy
Nice information 🙂
Such wonderful advice! Thank you. You rock!
My Gallia is a bully 😤
Yup it's good, bcz some plants its very difficult to produce roots, we can grow very fast by using a already rooted plants.
I had William Shakespeare rose from David Austin roses bought some years ago. It was an awesome grower, however I had to transplant it. Unfortunately I now have weedy sort of growths coming up from the rootstock, 3 years later I am still not rid of it. None of these stems have ever produced a flower, they are just as annoying as a raspberry vine.🧐
Ouch Laura! Not fun to have to deal with a pesky rootstock.
Super !!
I prefer own roots over grafted ones. I just don't like people messing around with mother nature.
Great video, thank you!
Thanks Ryan.
I bought a Zephirine Drouhin climbing rose at Lowes. It was on clearance for $20. I planted in the ground and let it grow over the trellis. But it took 4 years to bloom. I finally realized that my rose was NOT the zephirine drouhin. It looks very much like the Multiflora, a rootstock, but it is thornless. I'm very upset. Now I need to get rid of this thing, or maybe I can get cuttings of the zephirine drouhin to graft onto it.
That is really disappointing after all that time!
All else fails I do cuttings from grafted roses. then I have a back up if the original plant dies.
I'd say a "backup copy" is a smart play, and fair game all around.
This was really good. You answered every question that popped in my head! I have both in my roses and Japanese maples. The grafted ones slightly creep me out lol! But they’re so pretty eh! Jason, what is your HISEA code? My boots just sprung a leak and those are just what I need. As always, Thank you!
Thanks so much Cindy. I don't have an affiliate link for HISEA - and I'll have to sign up. It looks like an interesting site.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm oh my! I seriously thought I heard about them from you, lol! Thank you for solving that!
learnt lots thanks could you let me know what rose verity's they use for the trunk of rose trees love your videos
Thanks Rex. I've heard it's often R. canina or R. multiflora f. inermis.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thanks
I didn't know dr huey is better for alkaline!
Hi Jason! I've been watching through a bunch of your videos, I am a bit disappointed in the quality of the standard roses available to me here. I'm thinking about trying to grow root and stem stock so I can graft my own. What should I grow? I'd love to see a video from you on how to do this 🙏🙏💕
Grafting isn't the way I produce roses, so I'm probably not the best guy to make a video on the topic.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm but you are the smartest rose guy I know 😅😅
Great video ! What is the width / length size of your greenhouse in the video ?
Thanks Cliff. That one is 20ft by 95ft.
I have a question about the potted roses that are available at the big box stores which is where I tend to buy the generic plants I use in my yard like Knock Out roses, Drift roses, etc. I went to a big box store this weekend and they had a great looking rose from Star. I couldnt tell whether is twas grafted or own root. But some of them looked like they were buried way too deep in the pot and you couldnt really see the crown of the plant. Some of them did stick up a little. Do you have any videos of the planting process that talk about whether you should pull all the dirt back from the top of potted roses until you see roots and that should be your planting depth???????
I did a little on potting depth in these videos (a while ago) - bare root: ua-cam.com/video/d3OI2lzPzDQ/v-deo.html and own root: ua-cam.com/video/8fNRsm0Qaoo/v-deo.html my answer has always been to plant the crown around soil level, and it's always been a good answer for me in my climate. A few people say "plant high" and quite a few more say "plant deep" - especially in colder climates. I wouldn't argue with local knowledge, and it's really not such a problem if you plant deeper than I do.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thank you. I appreciate that. I will watch them. So I am assuming that roses dont have the issues some other plants have where they will suffocate if planted too deep?????
Also, any chance you documented how you built those little fences???? They look very nice as a back drop for small beds and support for bigger rose bushes.
I have heard there is several different methods of grafting. What would be the most successful method? When grafting what would be the minimum diameter of the rootstock you would put the scion onto? Would the best way be to do grafting be a scion and rootstock of almost exactly the same diameter? In the near future I want to graft a meyer lemon onto a lemon rootstock.
I've only tried the T-bud grafting, but chip grafting also looks pretty doable.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm can you please explain what those grafting methods are and show them in a video. I will appreciate it. The only things I know about grafting is that your tools need to be very clean and the scion is the top choice variety and the rootstock is what you are grafting onto.
Might be a stupid question, but could you graft normal roses onto a mini rose bush
That should work.
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Can you grow Morden’s Blush at Fraser Valley? I have been searching for these for two years now and I can’t find it. I think you could sell it out if you are permitted to propagate them. Lou
Thanks Lou. I had it spring of 2021, but sales were a bit slow so I didn't reorder in spring of 2022. It's a little vulnerable to downy mildew in this area, but has very pretty flowers. I'll see if I can get a few in stock again at some point, but the ordering windows are closed for most suppliers right now.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm If you get one please let me know. I’m trying to grow a bit of a rose garden in northern Wyoming! So hard to find a rose I want for this zone between 3-4. Thank you so much for replying.
I’m also going to ask a few locals about taking cuttings from their roses - what I believe is ‘Harrison’s Yellow.’ They seem to bloom once in the spring with tons of arching branches loaded with glorious yellow roses. Apparently they were brought into this area by pioneers who settled here back in 1910’s. I’m listening to your video “Rose Propagation Q&A Fraser Valley Rose Farm//Grow Roses” right now!! So great all the info you offer on your channel.
Your videos are informative as usual, thank you. Do you only sell varieties at your farm that perform well in own roots? I am hoping to get able to get some of the English style ones from you as own root plants, like Chippendale, sweet mademoiselle, stiletto and David Austin’s. Thanks.
Thanks Kelly. The ones I propagate myself are grown on their own roots. I do supplement the assortment with some grafted varieties - so I can sell the ones I'm not licensed to propagate. I'll be working on the website this winter to divide or otherwise clearly mark which ones are which on the online store. I don't have Chippendale, Sweet Mademoiselle or Stiletto in my collection, but I'm working on propagating some other English roses I've recently added.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm hi Jason, I remember you sell Stephens big purple. I love the blooms but heard it’s not disease resistant or very prolific in our area, that stiletto is a better pick. Could you comment? Thanks and look forward to your updated site.
is it possible to graft roses on apple tree?
I don't think so.
I have two climbing roses that do not grow roses beautiful bushes but no roses for years
Can I get them to grow roses
That's a stumper Theresa - do you do annual pruning?
Yes every year
The three “D’s”
Still a little puzzled. Some once-blooming roses only bloom on older wood, but since you're only pruning dead, diseased & damaged wood, there should still be plenty there for blooming whether they're repeat-bloomers or not. I'd review the basics: soil, sun exposure, feeding, consistent moisture - and if there's no answer in the condition, I'd be tempted to replace with more floriferous varieties.
I live in zone 7A and can easily plant grafted roses but I just don't. I find it very Frankenstein'ish and look at plants as living things. I don't understand why a rose can't just be a rose. Everything just to make a few more dollars. I think it's terrible and customers should insist on own root. In every way they're healthier. I haven't lost an own root yet. I haven't found any trouble finding the roses I want, but then I'm a huge fan of Kordes and they're widely available as own root.
Yes - Kordes is way ahead of the curve on supplying own-root roses for the market!
Hi Jason. When is time to craft roses?
From what I understand, most grafting is done while the roses are at the peak of active growth, so late spring.
Thanks.
I used to buy own root roses but for the past few years nearly all are grafted. Hard to find ownroot in nurseries nowadays. I am not a fan of grafted. One grafted just pop out crown gall, 5 died because the bud union suddenly rotted. Now, i am trying to propagate the ones that seems established and have grown sturdier canes. BTW, is it safe to stem propagate the one with crown gall? The nasty lump is still small but i am wondering if the bacteria would travel throughout the whole plant.
Online sources are a little mixed, but it's probably safest (if you're confident in the diagnosis) to remove the whole plant. At least one university site claims the cuttings would be likely infected too.
Hey. I just received 4 grafted Mr. Lincoln. I was hoping for them to be own root. Do you know whether or not if I separated them from the graft union that the actual plant will grow its own roots? I was thinking about trying to experiment on one of them.
I always love a good experiment, but my gut says that it'll be easier for you to root a stem cutting from fresh growth than to convince the tissue at the graft union to throw new roots quickly after separation.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Alright, Thank you
What is the best n p k ratio for Blooms Jason?
Relatively balances is okay (like 10-10-10) - but some growers will slightly prioritize the middle number, phosphorus.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thanks mate!
I'm surprised anybody would graft onto a multiflora rose rootstock commercially nowadays. Are they using a sterile variety that can't self seed? To anybody who buys one of those, please be careful. You don't want it to sucker and then make flowers and seeds. It is an extremely invasive plant and is labeled a noxious weed here in VA and many other states, and for good reason. Many areas around me are so crowded with multiflora rose and Japanese barberry that there's hardly any room for native species to grow, and when it's not them it's oriental bittersweet and wineberry.
I take your point - I don't graft at all myself, but some people of course praise the R. multiflora rootstock for performance over a wide range of soils. Your concern is ecological, theirs more about getting the strongest rose established quickly in the landscape. The type they use are not sterile as far as I know, so there's potential for escapees, particularly if you get rootstock suckers that go undetected in the landscape for a while.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm That definitely makes sense. They do have very strong roots. I can cut them down multiple times in a year all the way to the ground and they always come back. They don't care whether the soil is heavy clay or high silt content, an open field or dense shade underneath trees in a forest. And the birds spread the seeds everywhere. I'm a bit biased because there are areas on my property that were completely open 15 years ago, with wild black raspberries, cardinal flower, and other interesting natives, and now they are impenetrable multiflora rose thickets made of hundreds of plants, thousands in some places.
-Would you stratify a "wild rose" seed less months than something else? Get this party started?!
No, it should be about the same: 2-3 months of cold & a little bit of moisture.
I have a ? I seen a video where someone took a rose in bloom and pulled the petals off and then cut the center off. Turn it upside down and put some type of dark liquid on it then inserted it into a slice of banana and planted it. And the a new rose stem grew from the bottom side of the bud. He planted the bud upside down. Can roses grow backwards like that? Or was that that fake?
I saw the same video in my recommendations recently. Total fake. The roots and fresh shoot are glued on! I can't believe how UA-cam recommends staged videos over real propagation.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm yea i was thinking it was fake. Never heard of a plant growing backwards. Lol. And yea i agree. They tackle the wrong things lol.
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I just watched that video yesterday.
The video from India.
I noticed that he selected half mature rose hips and they magically rooted and sprouted in 20 days.
The biggest miracle is that there was only one sprout from each hip.
Absolutely amazing considering how many seeds are in each hip.🤣
Lol GW Builder. Once you start pulling that thread, there are so many problems! Hmmm. Maybe I should pull some threads...
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Perhaps you should.
How creative can you be?👌
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How is the rootstock produced though? With varieties of citrus, for it to be the same, it must be a clone or a cutting. Growing from seed will never produce an identical plant to the parent. For the tops it is pretty simple. Have tree, cut tree, graft tree. Multiple trees. How do they get rootstock with the same characteristics over and over, and obviously in vast quantities? They must be rooted cuttings from a mother plant I guess. There is just some guy in the world who is rooting the same rose over and over again, only to lop it off as soon as it has leaves. What a monster.
It does seem pretty brutal when you say it that way! Dr. Huey is from cuttings, as is R. x. 'Fortuniana' I think. Multiflora can be mass planted by seed with not too much variability, and I know at least one Canadian supplier confirmed they produce their rootstock from seed.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I do a lot of gardening for pleasure and am a commercial farmer for a large company as well. I can google anything I want and get an answer straight away. I love that about our modern life. That being said, you are one of the only channels that leaves me asking questions I never knew I wanted the answers to. Thank you so much.
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