Should Amazon GIVE UP On The Rings of Power?
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- Should Amazon even bother continuing with The Rings of Power?
Today, we are back with more of a discussion, where we finally come back to The Rings of Power and discuss whether it even makes sense to push on with it! We look at this today!
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I don't even care enough to hate it anymore.
I dont hate it its funny tho
@@AlexJones-ex8ox billions making this 💩
Me too. I absolutely despise that show but I am completely ignoring it now. Just don't care anymore. You can actually pretend it does not exist quite well.
Wait til season 2. You will be surprised how fast it will return.
😎
Amazon shouldn't have made it in the first place.
No, I think it'd be more accurate to say they shouldn't have made it the way they did......
Dei / wokness / greed / laziness killed this show
This
Elrond said it best
“Cast it into the fire”
“DESTROY IT!”
The answer is yes. The show is a dumpster fire.
Yes. I watch 5 different channels on UA-cam about LOTR and I have never watched Amazon Woke messaging.
It's not even a dumpster fire. Dumpster fires are actually fun to watch. It's worse!!
@@willt8988🤡
Why? I love that series?
It was better than Jackson's The Hobbit. These guys are soooo wrong!!!
Galadrial is the oldest elf in the show, married with a daughter who eventually marries Elrond, she's the great aunt of Gil-Galad, Mount Doom was created 16 centuries before the Rings of Power, the Numenoreans on the show were born 16 centuries after the Rings of Power and Gandalf won't show up in Middle Earth for another 3000 years...
So the question is how will another season improve things? 😂
It’s total fanfic from writers who clearly aren’t fans. Where is Celeborn? They really tried shipping Galadrial and Sauron!
@@VDL_Cards+Celeborn greatest the greatest smith of middle earth does not know Alloys of materials 😂😂😂
I'd rather have a second season rather than nothing any new tolkien works is good for me not always perfect but still enjoyable for a fan
@@davidjames1646 No fan of Tolkien can enjoy this name in only show. It doesn't only not contain the actual work of Tolkien, it insults his legacy.
By reading the title, the only answer is YES.
You read my mind.
You beat me to it.
Absolutely, sack it!
Was about write the same thing
My thoughts exactly
Tolkien said that the Blue Wizards were vital in the resistance against Sauron in the East. They were sent in almost a special mission to go East and keep down the numbers of Men who would join Sauron's army. And they were indeed successful in this, and without the Blue Wizards efforts in the East, the armies of Gondor, Rohan, and the "resistance" led by Gandalf would have failed as Sauron's armies would have swelled and straight out over-whelmed them.
They formed these interconnected mystery schools that doubled as shinobi style spy and ninjutsu intrigue. To give the men of the east a path to walk that was something other than the heavy looming presence of Sauron in that region
200 million for the same thing I sit in a bathroom to achieve for free.
Didn’t even need to watch the video to know the answer is YES!
I don't think they ever will give up on this intellectual property, but a reboot of The Rings of Power would be much appreciated at this point. If they can get some seasoned writers and showrunners who know how to write fantasy and have an appreciation and understanding of JRR Tolkien, this could work. However, as long as amateurs who don't seem to really grasp the assignment they've been given are left in charge, I doubt any change will bear much fruit.
if they do, they should get someone who actually respects the source material, or least someone who has actually read more than the wikipedia page description of it.
Why tho?
Nah leave middle earth alone. Stop putting makeup on a dead man's artwork...
Doesn’t it make more sense, from a business perspective, to sell back the rights and recoup costs?
Of course! Throw that show deep into the mines of Moria!
No. We must be certain. To Timeless Void it goes.
yes GET RID OF IT
Can they legally give it up? Part of the Tolkien estate selling the TV rights was a committment to 5 seasons minimum I thought. Pretty sure it's a contractual obligation.
produce an apology - for spitting in all our faces - thatd be nice
Jeff won’t give it up till he falls into its destroyed in the fiery heart of mount doom.
Just a city boy
Born and raised in South Arnor
He took the midnight cart going anywhere
“Hey, let’s make a TV show that predates one of the greatest works of fiction to ever be created, give it the largest funding to ever be allotted to a show in history, and then give the reigns over to two doofuses who have basically no experience at all.”
-Absolute, astronomically-stupid executives at Amazon.
That’s like designing a car, with the most expensive aero, body, most high tech systems and luxury designer materials for all the surfaces, more expensive that any other car on the market, and then you get to the engine and they decide to just put a push-lawnmower engine in there, that’ll be fine…
@@reddeadcharactercreations7884 more like a flintstones like drive...yabbadabbadooo....
From what I've heard, they essentially hired those guys on J.J. Abrams' recommendation, like some kind of Hollywood insider nepotism. Regardless, I'd loved to have been a fly on the wall during those production meetings, because it's like having two kids not only sitting at the adult's table, but deciding on what food is going to be served.
It really is an unfortunate waste of artistic and narrative potential, at least so far. Best we can hope for is that they finally realize that these two guys (who I'm sure are perfectly nice people who are trying their best) are in over their heads, and hand the reins off to competent showrunners who are more than up to the task. There have got to be dozens of people - well-known, respected people in the industry - who would absolutely jump at the chance to be a part of a Tolkien production.
Yes, they ruined it out of arrogance and hubris.
They need to have Bob Newhart wake up next to his wife Joanna, in Vermont and say it was all a bad dream.
Oh god this would help me begin to heal.
So nice to see both of you together on camera!
Yes, oh Lord, please. Have mercy on our souls.
City! Glad to see you guys back together.
Happy to see the both of you guys in a video together. The Amazon show should continue but only if they get help from fans like you guys.
I only read the title but the answer is YES absolutely
Yes! I’ve never understood how writers and producers think they can do better than the master. Arrogance or ignorance or stupidity - or all of those together. The idea that they need to “modernize” the story for today’s audience. Even the parts in The Lord of the Rings movies that were ignored, changed, totally made up still really irk me. I never knew that Dwarves are Scottish! And don’t even talk about The Hobbit! The first one: the only movie I’ve ever walked out of.
Tolkien fans often criticize adaptations of his work. But they don’t ever come up with ways in which they think it should’ve been done. I love the books and think they’re perfect, but I understand that some things will have to be changed for them to be adapted, and personally I’m okay with that because I want to be transported to Middle Earth again. The big man wrote The Hobbit and the LOTR in a way that works for a movie. The rest of his works are much harder to make a good movie or show out of if you adapt 1 for 1. I don’t necessarily agree with every change made, but I feel that way about the Hobbit movies and enjoy those too. I love Middle Earth. Books, movies, Video games. I’m happy I can sit with my father, whose favorite book is also LOTR, and watch this together. I never got to see any of the movies for the first time after I had read the books, now I do. Consider me thankful that people are trying to
I can see where you’re coming from, it’s certainly easier to criticise something than to create something. But @tolkienuntangled actually created a whole playlist detailing how it could’ve been done better and I’m a bit sad they didn’t do something like that…
@@ConstanzaRigazio no doubt it could’ve been done better. You’re 100% right
I don't feel as negative about season one as most others seem to do. There were a few things I didn't like but also some which I quite liked. Visually it was stunning and a great journey to Middle Earth! The storytelling was okay, it varied from good stuff to some facepalming here and there but it was solid overall. :D I wasn't happy how the Elves were depicted but really really loved the Dark Elf villain and the origin of the Orc plotline. And so on, and so forth - after all I'm looking forward to season two, knowing that it won't be the most mindblowing stuff ever but another trip to my favourite fictional world.
I'm in the same boat, I don't think it was as bad as people are making it out to be
City. Missed this format guys, great to see you both on screen together. Looking forward to The Guard and not looking forward to series 2 of ROP. Good luck with the opening of the shop. I live miles away so I'll order online to support!
City! Looking forward to watching your film when you're done.
Nice work dude thanks
With the pure amount of rich stories to draw from, ROP has instead created its own story. It's baffling.
Amazon only had the television rights to the Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit books, which means they could only draw Second Age lore from those 2 books and the appendices at the end of LOTR.
Exactly they had the story already. They didn't have to change it. Just fill in the gaps. @@bomouth142
@@bomouth142 You're absolutely right. Folks don't see the big picture. Usually, they just talk instead of looking for themselves.
@@bomouth142everyone has heard this excuse. All this would mean is they shouldn’t have attempted to make the show in the first place if they didn’t own the rights to do it properly.
@@bomouth142 Yep, and yet with the pure amount of rich lore to draw from, ROP has instead created its own story. It's baffling.
100%. But will they? Doubtful.
Great to see both of you lads on screen together again. City.
Glad to see both of you on the channel again, I would love to hear your guys thoughts on why and how Tolkien didn’t like dune and Narnia. when the depth and lore off both worlds are just as fantastic?
Good "City" to you guys, i guess 😸; thank you for your video, I really enjoyed you having a casual talk on camera again 😊
Yes!
I think you should give them a chance to fix the issues they made in series 1
Honestly the moment when I trully and finally stop caring about this was when I heard about Tom Bombadil and Goldberry being Morgoth and Ungoliant theory, i dont care if its true, but I just dont care anymore, why would you took something so beautiful and so good I have no other words for Tom part from goodnes, and turned it into something evil...But that just me.
Who wants it who likes it, I wish that he enjoys it as much as I am enjoying in movies. I'm far more interested in War of the Brohirrim than this...
Great to see you guys again and great video and pls do more videos like this, when youre talking in front of camera, its great...
Tom = Morgoth? Is it too late to shove them thru the Doors of Night so they can enjoy a little personal time with Morgoth?
If UA-cam had been around in the early 2000s, a large volume of opinion channels would have whipped each other up and algorithmed there way to heavily critical content of Peter Jackson also.
City, good to see you both chatting even if it is about ROP
Top video, would be good to get more on camera chats like this when time allows. City.
Just finished my fourth rewatch, so Hell YES. it's worth it!
Short answer: YES
Long answer: YES, and they should apologize profusely when they do so.
yes, give it up now!
I would love an animated story of the blue wizards
Quite the double entendre on the title, there! 😆
I just wanna know where they spent the money?!!
City
Get back to do videos like this, discussions and especially the “what ifs” were the best videos
City! Great video, thanks guys.
They should give up…but they won’t. 🤦♀️
“City”, from Brazil. Thanks for the video!!
YES GET RID OF IT. It's a dishonor to Tolkien and a deal with the devil!
React to Counsel Of The Rings who just did two awesome fully self funded epic episodes that are replacing amazons episodes one by one! And fully Tolkien and lore friendly. ❤
There was an interview with Ron Ames, co-producer on Rings of Power, where it said he and Chris Newman (the other co-producer) negotiated the licensing deal and it limited them to Second Age stories (sorry lost the link). The recent tweak is possibly to use material in Peoples of Middle-earth (HOME Vol 12), which implies Gandalf (as Olorin) visits Middle-earth in the late First or early Second Age. Kind of a field trip for his wizardly training. So yeah, big reveal, meteor-man is Gandalf, who'da guessed.
Presumably War of the Rohirrim will be orchestrated to steal as much thunder as possible from Rings of Power. I'm less hopeful about it, since in spite of one of the writers being Philippa Boyens' daughter, she and her partner have next to no credits from a 20 year career. Good luck in all your ventures.
definitely yes
YES. Charlie Hopkinson will shred it again. Best part of Rangs of Powder!
Broken sword shilled for them before it aired but has been honest throughout airing so respect.
Wish I lived nearer wales would love to visit your set!
Fully agree that Amazon should cut their losses. Such a shame as the second age is my favourite part of the legendarium but they just haven’t delivered anything near what I hoped
Let it get traction on UA-cam man! Let’s see it. Your film!
I completely forgot all about it!!
GOD, PLEASE YES!
City. Recent watcher. Big LotR fan. Really enjoy your content.
Amazon waited until Christopher Tolkien died early in the production of its DumpsterFire, his "demand" was that Amazon could use the Appendices to make the show, but they couldn't change the lore. As soon as Christopher died, Amazon delayed the show for reshoots, fired Tom Shippey who was the lead Tolkien scholar & friend of Tolkien himself; they wanted Jackson on the team.
PeterJackson asked for the scripts then they ghosted him. Then later when asked about it he basically told them good luck.. You can blame this garbage show on Simon Tolkien, its stink doesn't reach Christopher. Firstly: they merge events (from thousands of years of history & build up towards several events but puts them all into one moment as if it’s happening in the same few years without time jumps or anything.) Guyladriel the murderous one dimensional girlboss heroine version of Galadriel never met Miriel(one of Aragorn’s ancestors) because, as an elf, she would have been sacrificed to Morgoth by the King's Men.
The hobbits and Gandalf never met in the 2nd Age because Gandalf was in Valinor till the 3rd Age.
Miriel wasn’t even born yet. She was born 300 years before or after the rings of power era. Also Elendil would never say “forget the past and toss it aside.” That’s the whole thing about the Faithful Númenoreans!!! Faithfulness to what’s good. To their elf friends. To the Valar, to Eru Îlluvatar. The way Galadriel acts like Fëanor when he isn’t seeing straight such as how she threatened bloodshed in the highest court of Númenor! The way she isn’t tall, the way she fights rookies doesn’t make her look strong. Should have had her spar with Elendil who was greater than Miriel in many ways even as far as lineage goes too! Have her spar with those greater Numenoreans and let the rookies laugh at their masters being vested by an elf woman holding back from actually hurting them! Now that’d be cool.
(Remember. Their whole mantra was to write the book Tolkien never wrote”. Also watch them fake super fans. And then watch their social media that had nothing Tolkien on it ever. Like…. It’s painfully obvious what’s going on here. Same formula towards other titles. They’re just trying to bank on the brand of which that’s the only reason they did this.
Just watch Peter Jackson’s new movie coming out and the War of the Rohirim. You’ll see that Brian Cox is involved In it along with Philipa Boyens as well as Actor for Èowyn named Miranda Otto. Fran Walsh I also believe is Involved as well! Watch George The Giant Slayer’s first video regarding the war of the rohirrim. It was beautiful. And he has a wonderful soul too. When I say first video.
I don’t mean very first uploaded video though lol. )
There was also no Adar. No poppy. No Nori. No fake Gandalf who literally didn’t come the way he was supposed to which introduces Círdan. And since they screwed up the themes and lore so badly they have to dig in their heels. And they are also being sued by multiple people and groups and companies actually. The rings were forged last and not first. They were not in his sights or touch nor did he even know about them. And also guyladriel wasn’t a murderous Fëanorean either. But the note of the elven rings.
They were made last and without the knowledge of Sauron. His touch never got to them. Made in secret so that whole story is thrown out the window as well. And making them first and having the obvious Sauron figure who wasn’t an elf to just be there when they’re making them and have his eye show up in the forge which wasn’t even the worst of it.
The greatest of elven smiths still around which is Celebrimbor doesn’t even know what alloying is. Not to mention all their environmental scandals on top of bad CGI stuff. Full of copy past crowds and plagerisms up the wazoo. It’s also getting sued by several people and groups.
I’ll also remind you that they just ran an old sick horse til it died of cardiac arrest and then only had a ten min coffee break to loosely honour this horse. Not to mention Tolkien loved animals in a deep way. They also have been causing environmental damage one of which being King Charles ancient forest to make a set. It’s scandal after scandal. And the fire in studio that took four hours to put out with firemen for yet another example.
PS they don’t have the rights to the Silmarillion nor anything much of the second age let alone the first. Only the trilogy books and their appendices….
Remember that they also plagiarized tonnes of films in nontasteful instead of true a homage way… “tempest in me” but when threatening Fëanorean level bloodshed in the court of Numenor was from Cate Blanchett’s Elizabeth role which was done with grace and poise of a veteran actress(which doesn’t even sound like anything those of the great chill house of Finarfin would even act like.
Again it’d be best to put Elrond there due to Elros. But ooook let’s make girlboss do everything. Even if it continues to make zero sense. )😍
fact they downplayed Elendil, Gil-Galad and Finrod is beyond infuriating and not explaining Elwing, Elronds mother beyond just showing her as a swan was pure LOLism. Like. What’s worse is Grandpabimbor…. Let’s not forget good ol’ Guyladriel either. The LOTR version of Star Wars’ Rey! Guyladriel the Female Fëanor without any of his charms and subtleties and wit… just the bloody violent rages…
I canceled my Amazon Prime after the 1st 2 episodes. Never been back since
City. As a Newport resident, I will try to make the opening. Great content as always guys
Thanks! 😁
YES. Throw this 💩 away!
And wheel of time is terribel to
I would like to see the creation of Ea and Arda
I’d say get over it just enjoy the show for what it is. Yeah they should definitely make more.
I'll withhold an opinion on the future of Rings of Power until Season 2 comes out. However, based solely on Season 1, I think that Payne & McKay's vision of the Second Age of Middle-earth strays too far from Tolkien's legendarium. It's not recognizable as Tolkien's Middle-earth.
Glad to see both you together. They should have stopped before the first season when everyone with a brain that works independent of being told what to think said it was already trash. City!🤘🏼
City! Great vid more like this please
Yes they should
Yes.
I admire your positivity. I've seen almost nothing good from Disney or Amazon or Netflix for the last 5-7 years or even more. I don't think the Rohirrim movie is gonna be any good. I think they will cancel the RoP show next season or maybe on season 3.
The Breaking Bad is an old production from the mythical era when quality and good storytelling was at the forefront of moviemaking - bad example of a show that can develop into sth better than it started. The same is true for SW The Clone Wars
I’ve gotten far more entertainment watching reviews and breakdowns of that show then watching the show itself.
Yes
How to save Amazon rings of Powers:
Images from season 1
voice speaking: 《Things that were, things that are, and some things... that have not yet come to pass.》
the video zooms out from the mirror of Galadriel and then they start everything again.
Staying loyal to the books.
Always liked live chats more interactive lore amazing interactions better
Amazon has money to wash though!! 10% for the big guy!
I've been pleasantly surprised by the improvements in Halo season 2 on Paramount. But ROP was way worse than Halo season 1.
City!
Season 2 should be the last season, though Bezos’ stubbornness might play a factor. Who knows maybe S2 will be a massive turnaround?
Animated lotr content would be amazing. Dragon Age did it so a fantasy series could definitely work. Would love to see a series about the history of middle-earth, with each episode focusing on a different character; from ancient heroes like Helm Hammerhand to more recent villains like Shelob.
As far as 'War of the Rohirrim' drumming up collateral support for RoP season 2 by reminding people of Tolkien again, it could just as easily work in the opposite direction if WotR is any good. In that case, people will be comparing a good show with what they remember of a bad show, rather like RoP and House of the Dragon were compared, but more so as this time it would be two Tolkien shows. People then might quite reasonably be saying, "Look, it's perfectly possible to create a great Tolkien show, so why is Amazon so bad at it?"
That's an easy one. Absolutely
Love these dudes
I think that it is worth it if they fix it right now. Yes the first season wasn’t the greatest but I think if they take some time reevaluate everything, they can make it fantastic
I have never seen a company so determined to fail.
City :) Also really appreciate all your work!
I watched 1 episode, not 1st but in middle after 20 minutes I was confused, as this was not what Tolkien originally wrote, flicked off. later I heard i was saturated with DEI. It was nowhere near what I expected of a Tolkien story.
City
But dragons are pretty cool,
I fact just picked up two for moria
Why would they, narcissists need to prove they are right!
They can't lol
Gotta say, I have thoughts similar to Halo. Universally panned, I gave it a shot recently and I really like it. It's not Oscar winning cred but, it's competently written, acted and enjoyable. I just can't imagine that happening here. Unfortunately, I was excited by this and really disappointed. I don't see a pullback from that. I'm trying the think of an example where a show started off badly and recovered. There were shows that I took a while to warm up to, like Dark, even Stranger Things but not something that faceplanted out the gate like this one did.
It's my understanding that the Tolkien estate inly gave licence for certain characters and story lines and where told they could not touch other parts. So part of the blame lies at there feet.
Not at all. If you seek to do a show on an IP and you don't get enough rights to properly do it, guess what. You either don't do the show or focus on a different timeline lmao. Amazon shit the bed. Nobody else's fault
Amazon is a big company all they care about is money not writing a good story
A good story would make them more money, tho. RoP spent more money than any other show and still wasn't even the top spot on Amazon.
I don't think you understand how making money works
Without having watched the video yet: I feel like they fucked up so bad, they should rewrite and reshoot season 1 entirely or take a shot at a different story of a different age :)
I usually give a show 2 seasons before deciding. It was bad but it was not at all what I was expecting.
I wrote this in the other video….. to salvage.. just say season 1 was like a vision,a dream, Galadriel had off what “could” happen.. she wakes up.. and then restart it
Let’s promote your film more!
Yes, but doesn’t really matter to me. I’m not watching season 2. I will watch real adaptations in the future
City!
Yes I usually watch it till the end
😁