I think it would be fair to mention that the Kimber costs for $70 for 2 meters, and the Nordost sells for $1200 for 2 meters. In most states, you can buy the Kimber for less than the sales tax of the Nordost.
I'm not doubting that you know this, but did I miss this info posted for the video? I'd certainly like to see the specs on both cables that were compared. Thanks BTW, for the price and depending on the resolution of your system, this is a no-brainer.
They both sound good but I give the edge to the second, with more presence, especially in the drums and the upper-mids of the drums as well as the high freq. The test is obviously flawed because of playing thru UA-cam, and the differences are nuanced (read: maybe my imagination) to my ears, but I hear "the room" a bit better with the second. (Nordost for those who are looking all over the comments for which is which). Too bad. They're way more expensive than Kimber.
I agree, although UA-cam is the source for me, standing or sitting in front would obviously be better. Listening via klipsch head phones, he kimber cable truly had better separation. While the Nordost seemed higher db(volume) it was muddled together. The vocals would in your face with the nordost, and laid back with Kimber. But seriously stick with the Kimber cable!
As RCA cable I use Kimber the KCAG with WBT-0110Ag connectors in 0.5 meters length. Hammer good they even replaced the umpteen times more expensive NBS Monitor II. This has surpassed all other cables so far.
@@ayc868 You'll never notice the difference. If it was a really long pair, you might. Either way, I would highly recommend you listen to a silver cable in your own system first. Also, if you like a silver in one application, between your source and preamp, for example, you might not like it somewhere else, like between an amp and preamp.
@@ayc868 It was a general comment on silver cables in general. I'm not saying all silver cables sound exactly the same, but they are prone to high frequency issues. That's why you always have to try a silver cable in the exact application before you buy it. Its very easy to hear. When silver is a good match, it sounds wonderful. When it doesn't, it sounds like the highs are singled out, or detached. Its hard to explain, but you'll know it when you hear it. In my own personal experience, I find that well designed solid core silver cables, like Audioquest, tend to be the most compatible, where stranded silver tends to less forgiving. As for length, you seemed concerned about 1.5m as opposed to the .5m pair mentioned. You'll never hear a difference going from a.5 to 1.5.
@@AT-wl9yq I used silver 20 year ago, too much high. (at that time my system may not good enough) . My current system is very neutral. tone correct, low distortion. very good on testing cable.
i have not tried the "white lightening" model... generally speaking if you want an open airy sound with tight bass nordost could be the right choice.. it depends on how it works in your particolar set up.
This isn't the best way to go about it. Everyone has different tastes and equipment. You may like these cables in one system, but not another. That said, if you can get them at a price where you can recover most, if not all your money, get them.
@@gianmarcogervasi6013 Yes even with the compression of UA-cam - the difference is obvious to hear the difference. Nordost has a certain type of sound profile - impressive.
Первое звучание более музыкальное, напевное. Второй вариант боле детальный, более атмосферный. Сказать что лучше не берусь. На вкус и цвет товарищей нет.
@@gianmarcogervasi6013 My apologies at my vague question and thanks for your answer but I was wondering which level of Nordost and thank you for doing this
Kimber - прозвучал жёстко и грубовато, по ощущениям через UA-cam, собрал весь звук в колонки, слышно что сечение кабеля больше. Nordost - более емоциональный, чувствуется глубина сцены, наверняка локализация каждого инструмента на сцене намного лучше, звучит мягко, бас не такой плотный, верха протяжнее. Мне больше нравится мягкая подача, локализация и емоциональность. Очень интересен ответ автора видео!
sono molto sorpreso ma trovo migliore il kimber 4vs (con ponticelli vdh cs12) rispetto al più costoso nordost baldur biwire che è montato nella seconda parte del video
Il Nordost è più naturale, ha una migliore musicalità, micro e macro contrasto etc. Con il kimber la voce della Krall è sporca e alterata, quasi tagliente, con il Nordost è natural is si a.. L'unico grande difetto dei Nordost è il prezzo, ma se puoi ti ripagano ampiamente.
@@ayc868 i have sold the hifi sistem in this video two years ago.. if i remember correctly at the time I used a pirelli screenflex power cord for the audio research gears
@@ayc868 it's a very good design at a low price... now i use others power cables for my best electronics (gigawatt, oyaide, furutech, bcd) but still use pirelli for the 2nd hifi set up
Il kimber è molto più definito, forse un pelo troppo. Il secondo è più morbido, forse più funzionale per ascolti lunghi. Il primo è veramente chirurgico. Sorprendente, vista la differenza di prezzo.
This video sold me on Nordost. After listening to the switch, I changed my speaker cables from Transparent Music Wave ultra to Nordost Heimdall.... and what a change 🍾👍🤩
Not familiar with this track but I've been disappointed with kimber speaker cables. Have compared the tc12 and carbon 8 to canare and chord epics. Chord has the most bloated bass(it's really obvious if you hear it in person), kimbers have tighter bass than chord but sound lifeless. Canare is the most balanced all rounder sounding and paired with furutech plugs they sound amazing for most genres. The kimbers still sound better for pianos though. Each cable has their own strengths but of there was one cable I would get among the 3, it would be the canare. Only tried the nordost blue heaven and it was already better than the kimber tc12 in almost all aspects, slightly outperforming the canare.
in my personal experience which cable is better .. depends on each set up... for example when i owned audio research ls26/vs115 paired with harbeths the best speaker cable was kimber.. with my vitus audio ri101 paired with marten oscar the best cable is cardas golden ref... and so on...
@@ayc868 I'm using Belden 8300 series for my power cord. Self made. 3 core silverplated copper, Teflon . 440V 16amp rating. Using it because of the good shielding, doesn't cost like bomb like other big brand. Drawback is higher resistance value than low gauge value of normal copper. But that you are talking about thousand km length. Personally MIT or Crystal cable. Crystal cable more because it is thinner and very good shield. Able to take high current. MIT has good filter but it can be too much. Other brand of copper cord I have not tried that much. Multi core twisted should be the way to go for copper. Shielding is a must.
на нордосте побольше "воздуха" вокруг голоса вокалистки, на последних секундах вообще ощущение что поёт она громче, чем на кимбере. Первый кабель передаёт голос не так богато, как будто немного компрессии и последний пик немного сглажен, чуть потише.
I think it would be fair to mention that the Kimber costs for $70 for 2 meters, and the Nordost sells for $1200 for 2 meters. In most states, you can buy the Kimber for less than the sales tax of the Nordost.
I'm not doubting that you know this, but did I miss this info posted for the video? I'd certainly like to see the specs on both cables that were compared. Thanks BTW, for the price and depending on the resolution of your system, this is a no-brainer.
What model o
f Kimber and Nordost cables are they?
The second is slightly more open. But like all these comparisons the system isn't good enough to reveal true differences.
Yes I heard it too. Nordost more smooth and airy. Just a tad more over computer crappy speakers.
They both sound good but I give the edge to the second, with more presence, especially in the drums and the upper-mids of the drums as well as the high freq. The test is obviously flawed because of playing thru UA-cam, and the differences are nuanced (read: maybe my imagination) to my ears, but I hear "the room" a bit better with the second. (Nordost for those who are looking all over the comments for which is which). Too bad. They're way more expensive than Kimber.
The Presence and Separation of the Kimber is stupendous!...The nordost sounds ordinary!...
I agree, although UA-cam is the source for me, standing or sitting in front would obviously be better. Listening via klipsch head phones, he kimber cable truly had better separation. While the Nordost seemed higher db(volume) it was muddled together. The vocals would in your face with the nordost, and laid back with Kimber. But seriously stick with the Kimber cable!
As RCA cable I use Kimber the KCAG with WBT-0110Ag connectors in 0.5 meters length. Hammer good they even replaced the umpteen times more expensive NBS Monitor II. This has surpassed all other cables so far.
what about 1.5 meter? how much performance drop?
@@ayc868 You'll never notice the difference. If it was a really long pair, you might. Either way, I would highly recommend you listen to a silver cable in your own system first. Also, if you like a silver in one application, between your source and preamp, for example, you might not like it somewhere else, like between an amp and preamp.
@@AT-wl9yq not clear here, which silver cable ? How long is considered as long?
@@ayc868 It was a general comment on silver cables in general. I'm not saying all silver cables sound exactly the same, but they are prone to high frequency issues. That's why you always have to try a silver cable in the exact application before you buy it. Its very easy to hear. When silver is a good match, it sounds wonderful. When it doesn't, it sounds like the highs are singled out, or detached. Its hard to explain, but you'll know it when you hear it.
In my own personal experience, I find that well designed solid core silver cables, like Audioquest, tend to be the most compatible, where stranded silver tends to less forgiving.
As for length, you seemed concerned about 1.5m as opposed to the .5m pair mentioned. You'll never hear a difference going from a.5 to 1.5.
@@AT-wl9yq I used silver 20 year ago, too much high. (at that time my system may not good enough) . My current system is very neutral. tone correct, low distortion. very good on testing cable.
Second cable for sure… more open and more air and less boomy bass.
The second cable what was it? It was clearer with a larger soundstage
nordost baldur
@@gianmarcogervasi6013 that’s your winner bud
I have a chance to buy some Nordost white lightening speaker cable at a reasonable price, how is that cable, any good?
i have not tried the "white lightening" model... generally speaking if you want an open airy sound with tight bass nordost could be the right choice.. it depends on how it works in your particolar set up.
This isn't the best way to go about it. Everyone has different tastes and equipment. You may like these cables in one system, but not another. That said, if you can get them at a price where you can recover most, if not all your money, get them.
The first one for sure.
If Nordost is the 2nd cable played - then it wins for me with better air and more space.
nordost is the second played
@@gianmarcogervasi6013
Yes even with the compression of UA-cam - the difference is obvious to hear the difference. Nordost has a certain type of sound profile - impressive.
The first one sounds better to me
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Первое звучание более музыкальное, напевное. Второй вариант боле детальный, более атмосферный. Сказать что лучше не берусь. На вкус и цвет товарищей нет.
The 2nd one is streets ahead in communicating the expressiveness and being engaging. Assume thats Nordost. Which one is it?
the second is nordost
@@gianmarcogervasi6013 My apologies at my vague question and thanks for your answer but I was wondering which level of Nordost and thank you for doing this
@@georgecav nordost baldur bi-wire
Totally off topic, but amp and speakers are you using here
audio research ls26 pre and vs115 amp, harbeth super hl5plus speakers
I like the first one, it sounds more like my system so I:m probably biased.
First one is better
kimber what...8tc or 12 tc....nordost valhalla or odin...which
kimber 4vs - nordost baldur
первый вначале больше понравился по звуку
Kimber - прозвучал жёстко и грубовато, по ощущениям через UA-cam, собрал весь звук в колонки, слышно что сечение кабеля больше. Nordost - более емоциональный, чувствуется глубина сцены, наверняка локализация каждого инструмента на сцене намного лучше, звучит мягко, бас не такой плотный, верха протяжнее. Мне больше нравится мягкая подача, локализация и емоциональность. Очень интересен ответ автора видео!
sono molto sorpreso ma trovo migliore il kimber 4vs (con ponticelli vdh cs12) rispetto al più costoso nordost baldur biwire che è montato nella seconda parte del video
Il Nordost è più naturale, ha una migliore musicalità, micro e macro contrasto etc. Con il kimber la voce della Krall è sporca e alterata, quasi tagliente, con il Nordost è natural is si a.. L'unico grande difetto dei Nordost è il prezzo, ma se puoi ti ripagano ampiamente.
First one for me, not a lot in it though, but the first has more presence, bite and air.
what power cord you use on the demo?
this was a test of speakers cables kimber 4vs vs nordost baldur (not power cord test)...
@@gianmarcogervasi6013 I know, but what do you use for power cord?
@@ayc868 i have sold the hifi sistem in this video two years ago.. if i remember correctly at the time I used a pirelli screenflex power cord for the audio research gears
@@gianmarcogervasi6013 I use Pirelli tire, but have never used pirelli screenflex power cord.
@@ayc868 it's a very good design at a low price... now i use others power cables for my best electronics (gigawatt, oyaide, furutech, bcd) but still use pirelli for the 2nd hifi set up
They sound the same.
Il kimber è molto più definito, forse un pelo troppo. Il secondo è più morbido, forse più funzionale per ascolti lunghi. Il primo è veramente chirurgico. Sorprendente, vista la differenza di prezzo.
Which type of kimber ? And which type of nordost ?
kimber 4vs - nordost baldur
Kimber is good
it depends from amp/speakers combo... nordost.. kimber.. cardas... each cable is better in one specific set up
@@gianmarcogervasi6013 any thoughts on those with monitor audio gx200 speakers? :)
@@CyberBeep_kenshi you should try kimber 4vs or 8tc
bravo
0:19 0:50
Like tea or coffee...
Definitely kimber
Which is which
0.00-0.30 kimber 4vs - 0.30-1.09 nordost baldur
@@gianmarcogervasi6013 oke thanks
nordost makes you a BIGGER fool than kimber
Nordost 👍
The first
This video sold me on Nordost. After listening to the switch, I changed my speaker cables from Transparent Music Wave ultra to Nordost Heimdall.... and what a change 🍾👍🤩
Not familiar with this track but I've been disappointed with kimber speaker cables. Have compared the tc12 and carbon 8 to canare and chord epics. Chord has the most bloated bass(it's really obvious if you hear it in person), kimbers have tighter bass than chord but sound lifeless. Canare is the most balanced all rounder sounding and paired with furutech plugs they sound amazing for most genres. The kimbers still sound better for pianos though. Each cable has their own strengths but of there was one cable I would get among the 3, it would be the canare. Only tried the nordost blue heaven and it was already better than the kimber tc12 in almost all aspects, slightly outperforming the canare.
in my personal experience which cable is better .. depends on each set up... for example when i owned audio research ls26/vs115 paired with harbeths the best speaker cable was kimber.. with my vitus audio ri101 paired with marten oscar the best cable is cardas golden ref... and so on...
@@gianmarcogervasi6013 Yeah it depends on the system. In my case it was using a Hegel h390 with a Dynaudio HS
I alway judge by the instrument rather than vocal in a song. Vocal usually heavy altered for taste while the instrument for presence.
@@kongwee1978 Do you have recommend power cord?
@@ayc868 I'm using Belden 8300 series for my power cord. Self made. 3 core silverplated copper, Teflon . 440V 16amp rating. Using it because of the good shielding, doesn't cost like bomb like other big brand. Drawback is higher resistance value than low gauge value of normal copper. But that you are talking about thousand km length. Personally MIT or Crystal cable. Crystal cable more because it is thinner and very good shield. Able to take high current. MIT has good filter but it can be too much. Other brand of copper cord I have not tried that much. Multi core twisted should be the way to go for copper. Shielding is a must.
Kimber have more trible
Best is both cable be aviable as fake from china, fakes of kimber also nordost fakes exist 😂😂🤣
Nordost for me. There is a bit more smoothness and air to the vocals from what I can hear but both are quite similar and good.
Второй кабель интереснее! Это кто?
nordost
Can’t hear any difference.
на нордосте побольше "воздуха" вокруг голоса вокалистки, на последних секундах вообще ощущение что поёт она громче, чем на кимбере. Первый кабель передаёт голос не так богато, как будто немного компрессии и последний пик немного сглажен, чуть потише.
2 is good
El primero es kimber?
Yes
No difference.
Nordost for sure
Kimber all day