As an American I’ve learned a lot about British railroad equipment from your videos. My previous exposure was limited to Thomas & Friends and the Hogwarts Express. Thanks a lot.
Hi Sam, so I've got a Little idea for a running session, I though it would be interesting to see a running session with trains from the North Yorkshire Moors heritage line.
My mother walked past as I was watching this review, and said “Is that a SamsTrains video?” I said “Yeah, I’m watching the review of the Princess Royal,” she said, “Yeah, Sam knows everything,”
I live in America, and found a Hornby Princess Royal, R30001 on Amazon US. A bit pricey for me, at $230 (I didn't pay $25 for faster shipping lol - I might change that, but I dunno), and I'm really excited! It's my first model train, and I think it's a good one to start with! Can't wait 'till it arrives... in a month
Hi Sam, how are you? So.. I recently lost the nem socket on the tender of this model, it has been falling of ever since I got the model 🤔. Now I have lost it for good, I am not sure what to do, I live in Portugal so it might be a pain to get a replacement from hornby. Is there another way to get it, if not, can I get it from hornby at all? Thank you for the wonderful review anyway, keep up the good work, wait, this video came out a while ago, keep up the current good work! William
Sam, 2020: "This is incredibly expensive, i hought this for £171" Sam, 2023: "So £189 or thereabouts doesnt sound too bad for a new tooled locomotive" How times have changed...
What a lovely locomotive, I have several Princesses including tender drive versions. Only one has given me problems, I sent it back to Hornby and they repaired it, no hassles. As you said some very minor things let it down, but on the whole I'm very pleased with mine.
one of my favourite LMS locomotives I'm so glad Hornby didn't disappoint with this one great review as always sam hop to see more of this model in the future p.s i think some of the quality errors are just transport handling (apart from the glue marks that's factory error) and i prefer the pony truck to be articulated
Beautiful model Sam! Some of the most beautiful British steam engines! It’s amazing and we’re very lucky that of only 13 built, there’s 2 preserved examples!
Hello Sam. Thank you for the great video. I received my Princess Elizabeth yesterday, but there aren't any glue marks on it. My Hornby Terrier didn't have any glue marks, either. It seems odd that you would have had two bad experiences with glue marks. I wonder if any other of your viewers have experienced glue marks.
It's a pleasure Charles - glad to hear yours were much better! Don't get me wrong - I've reviewed hundreds of Hornby models - the glue is rare - but it does turn up once or twice! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
The rivets are fantastic. Great model from Hornby and superb review from you, covering all aspects. It's hard for we in Australia to order at present due to very limited freight and no passenger flights, but when that changes, I'll be considering purchasing.
I just found out something really interesting. The fact that new hornby engines have flangeless and non pivoting back axles so actually to make them more realistic in a cool way. its trying to represent the Cartazzi axle, which is an axle that doesnt pivot but instead shifts from side to side in its axle boxes to accommodate tight curves. And, since model train tracks are much too tight for the wheel to actually work, they make them flangeless
Bought this yesterday from rails as my king Arthur had to go back due to a dodgy mechanism. Absolutely amazing runner, and the smokebox glow works brillaint on DCC.
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Hi Sam. Great review. Love the engine. I got mine direct from Hornby and it came at the beginning of the week. I agree with the die-cast comment a bit more would have been nice, but as you say, the weight is good. I don't have glue marks on my loco so it could be a quality control thing?
Hi Sam, A cotton swab soaked in a bit of vinegar shouldn’t hurt the paint, try it on a hidden spot & check to see if any color transfers to the the swab. At least you are in the UK, and you can complain to Hornby on a local basis. Being in the US, returning something to the UK isn’t very feasible. Since they use CA fumes to bring up fingerprints, perhaps someone in a crime lab knows a way to remove the CA fog without damage to the original article. Good luck!
If I'm feeling brave I might try it Bill - I'm frightened of making it worse! Sorry to hear that - it's a disaster for you then, if you need to return something! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I was thinking the same thing about the finish. When you look at it compared to the older version it's just a lot more vibrant and all the lining is much more well defined. I think I might have to get one 🤣
Thanks for the review! I just hope my Princess Royal will be okay when I order it. I've already found the box of my Hornby pen slightly damaged and I dont want that on such an expensive loco.
My first childhood train set was the Triang-Hornby RS609 Princess Elizabeth back in 1972, so this is very nostalgic for me. Thanks for another great review!
Cor blimey Sam what great loco absolutely cracking but some one at Hornby are slipping in quality control department, myself i would be strait on to Hattons and say a£170. quid for glue marks .I would want a replacement, but that said still a beautiful model i guess i will get one later on i will have to extend my paper round though lol. Great video again Sam me o'l son thank you.
Thanks a lot Tony - yes I hope this doesn't indicate more of a problem with Hornby quality again! If I didn't need to get this reviewed fast, I might have returned it! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Looks like a wonderful model - I went to the bluebell railway yesterday and saw many engines I also took selfies with all the engines in the sheds and visited Stepney - loved the review -Ollie
Sam, I really love your content. Watching your vids has become a regular pastime for me. This was a very nice review. I really love the maroon livery on this loco and the excellent details, rivets and all. Thumbs up, keep it coming! 😊👍
I absolutely love the massive amount of detail on this engine, where they splashed a bit of glue in the boiler I think it’s because Hornby got some clumsy workers, the detail on the interior of the cab is very well done especially where the cab doors are positioned open as well as the firebox doors, the firebox glow is amazing as well, and can you paint one of your steam locomotives to make it look like it’s weathered with the coal dust, ashes and soot all over the locomotive where the running number is barely visible, the spring buffers on the front of locomotive where they stick, that I’m a bit disappointed on, I’m looking forward on seeing more reviews like this in the future, have a great weekend
Thanks a lot Daniel - I love that too - they're amazing except the clumsy glue work ;) That'd be a great idea too for weathering! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Very nice indeed. Excellent review as always Sam. It makes you wonder how far the manufactures can 'push the envelope' with regards to detail etc. Lovely model.
I've got one of these on the way from AJMrailways only cost 130 quid delivered to Australia (no VAT) I hope mine doesn't have the glue marks as yours did. Otherwise, it looks pretty nice to me. I can't wait to run it alongside the Princess Coronation I got last year. Nice video Sam Cheers!
I love Princess Royal class from the LMS, they are beautiful locomotives. Princess Margaret Rose is preserved at The Midland Railway Centre at Butterley.
Being something of a customizer my self I think it would deserve a solid 5. The glue marks are easily dealt with. The mechanicals is where the value is for me. Great appearance and performance to back it up. Ive seen too many reviews where it looks astounding but falls down on its performance staggeringly. Just my opinion.
Thanks a lot for sharing! The ease of correcting issues isn't a factor though - the issues were there - for review purposes, that's what counts! The performance wasn't perfect, but I certainly didn't have the problems that others did! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam great review I have the Princess Margaret Rose in a set with the Royal carriages and a lovely HM 2000 controller lovely set from the early 2000 lovely detail , probably not quite the level of Princess Elizabeth but none the less a stunning model , yes you are right this was a beautiful class and I love the crimson LMS livery....stunning
Still amazes me how much PSI the real things had, even more so than a Gresley A3. Slight more than even there upgraded counterparts, the Duchesses. Amazing video, though I may have commented on it already.
i think my dad has a few of these, back in the old days me mum used to go out to train fairs in london area and if thre was one ofthese she would buy it for him, i think he has like 4? might be more no idea but its nice to see it being remade for the newer generation of steam goers
Hey, Sam! I’ve got it already his like the preserved one was the No. 6201 ‘Princess Elizabeth’ the DCC Fitted Sounder, right here in Today’s Easter 2020.
I find that when you buy first batch models there is always a few issue, I always wait and then buy. The only reason I preordered the other models is due to them being 100th anniversary models. I find it you go with a tooth pick you can scratch off the white), or with rubbing alcohol you can take a cocktail stick and lightly dab it in the alcohol ( it shouldn’t be damp ). These are two things I do
That's unacceptable Marco - when the models are ready for release, they need to be perfect! I didn't fancy trying to remove the marks - too frightened of damaging it more! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Don’t quote me on this, but I believe the princess class locos had the largest fire box of any other class of loco, measuring at 22sq/f. I wouldn’t fancy firing that on a long incline! Check that out as I may be wrong but I’m sure it’s right. Hope you and the fam are all good! Keep up the great work mate. You stay in and make more videos!
As much as I love GWR Green livery, I'll always have a special place in my heart for LMS Crimson! It just brings out the royal quality that these engines were named after
LMS Crimson is agreeably a beautiful and elegant livery, one of my favourites. Just something about the blue sky of a summer day or the grey sky of a winter day, and then you see a beautiful red machine travel among it, it stands out enough for it to blend and fit into the scenery
Hey Sam, amazing video as always! That truly is a wonderful locomotive, she really looks stunning down and running! :D Quick Question, have you heard about the new "Hunt Coupling" close magnetic couplers at all? They look really good, adds a good amount of realism to the coaches!
I had this one when i was a child in 1961 so i presume it was one of the first ones, mine had Smoke deflectors though and it was all metal in those days, i still have the Transformer kicking around. We had the real one come through Cornwall not too long ago, magic to see the full size version after all these years, we were even treated to a bit of wheel slip as it pulled out of the Station
She's a beauty. I would buy one but I need a loft and a layout like yours as my current layout is mostly suitable for smaller locomotives. This might change as I am considering a layout rebuild.
This model looks very good. I have the previous model (46207 'Princess Arthur Of Connaught') and this engine is weak on the smokebox, the shape of the chimney, the motion bracket fitted on the later Princesses (and which was not fitted to 46200/46201). Trouble is, do I abandon my never used (my models sit in a cabinet and are not run) 46207 and buy the new one? I don't like the over bright pipework under the cab on the new one but the smokebox and wheels are terrific and an etched nameplate would make all my previous Hornby engines look so much better. A very fair review and very interesting.
I see what you mean about the finish looks stunning! Really like the firebox glow looks better than Bachmanns attempt lol! Hope they add that in to future releases? Great review!
Hey Sam, my model came Thursday, all seems well and I'm very pleased with it. You could argue the price point for ever and a day however, they are not toys and are classed as luxury items and attract the higher price points, not sure what the answer to that is. To buy or not to buy?
Great to hear that Colin - they certainly are luxury items, that's true - hence why I marked the value for money down because of the gluemarks ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Cool! You’re reviewing the Princess Royal Class for real time and it’s not an April fools joke! It’s got a lovely colour scheme. I still love your april fools videos anyway. Love to see what April fools vid you have planned for 2020.
Jolly good show Sam. Love your reviews mate. I've got 4 of these locos and I've weathered them. Couldn't find any manufacturing defects at all. Not a criticism mate! Just observation. They're the nicest locos in my fleet. Always was a Bachmann fan boy, but I think hornby are getting the edge. Keep up the good work mate 👍
In the first Batches, William Stanier had a lot of GWR influences in the design. Hence the first batches having GWR style slide bars and later ones having conventional LMS ones
Hi Sam. Does it have a fall plate? Doesn't look like it does. A painted crew would be nice for that price. I'm surprised that Bachmann haven't sorted the firebox flicker. It's a simple job. I have flickering lamps on my shunting layout. You can buy 12 volt flickering LEDs. A good review as usual. Regards, Alan.
Yes it does have one - it just doesn't reach the tender unless they're close coupled! I agree - no idea why they couldn't do that - I expect they didn't want to spend the extra ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I think this LMS Princess Class by Hornby deserves an A! :) Things I like: -Separately fitted details -Weight -Livery -Performance Things I don’t like: -Sprung buffers being stuck -Glue marks -Roof intakes being loose and crooked
Having a small UK layout, I'm always trying to avoid buying the big Pacifics. I never succeed. The good news is that, for a variety of reasons, it looks like I will be building a much bigger UK layout. Cheers!
The Thumbnail said "New Tool".... I was sure it was a video about ME!!! 😜😆 At least it's NOT a Pen! 🐴😜 Sam..... That Loco is freaking GORGEOUS!! That just became my second favorite, right behind the Mallard. Carmine ✈🚂🚙
Great review of a significant model. I want one in either BR blue or Maroon. BR green is too understated for a Princess IMHO. I'm still in love with my earlier version and wondering how they could ever make a big improvement. The finish allows the maroon to show through unlike the near matt finish of earlier versions.
Haven't watched the review yet, but this is the review I've been waiting for. If it is better than the new Coronation or Sir William Stanier FRS, I can't wait for mine to arrive. My heart is in my mouth.
I've have the same engine but i need parts for the running gear so i phoned hornby for the parts and they told me that the model was over 15 year old and they did not have the parts
They said that for the latest model? I’d call them up, tell them they’re wrong, and ask again for the spares! Keep me posted my friend - let me know if they don’t help you! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Your example runs better than the one shown on the hornby magazine video. your cilinder on the right doesn''t 'bounce' up and down. 😁 It just shows that not all examples are the same
14:28 I'm surprised people complained about that on an A4. The trucks under the cab of LNER pacifics actually don't pivot like other trailing wheels because they are Cartazzi axles which have flangeless wheels and a bit of sideways play on the axle but otherwise do not pivot or swivel. I'm not sure about the Lizzies, though.
@@SamsTrains It's pretty interesting to look at. I once saw a video on UA-cam a few few years back with the A1 Locomotive Trust discussing how to Cartazzi axle worked in detail while Tornado was under construction. I can't find it anymore, unfortunately.
@@SamsTrains Some confusion has come about here. The Cartazzi truck wheels would never be flangless as the flanges impart the sideways play to the axles. Otherwise they would just roll off the rails with disastrous results. It is a toy approach by Hornby to cope with toy radius tracks but having no daylight above the trailing truck. I would hope they found a better way. Even Triang, in 1962, pointed out that the minimum mainline radius used by BR would scale to 9 or 10 feet in 00, so letting users think of the compromises needed when moving away from exact scale. (Source page 21 of Triang First Ten Years book). The A1 trust provides a useful PDF : www.a1steam.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/TOPLINK6.PDF that on page 19, can be seen a diagram of the movement allowed and the flanges can be seen on the wheels. Also has more detail of the design by Francis James Cortazzi prior to his death in 1869 (so he got mis-spelt by sloppiness along the way) but importantly the problems involved with the design. In the 1930s Sir William Stanier was in India investigating the derailments of Indian Pacifics and the role this axle played in it. So would be interesting to find what Sir William Stanier thought of the design. From the P2 trust site can be seen the Cartazzi wheelset with the flanges clearly visible after the tyres, which have the flanges on them are clearly visible : www.p2steam.com/category/construction/page/4/ Perhaps this flangless mis-information came about by someone jumping to the wrong conclusion after seeing contruction views of wheelsets before the wheel tyres had been fitted. The P2 trust give some good information on fitting the tyres if the whole document is read rather than looking at an early picture in isolation. Sam, do you have any contacts that can look at say a preserved A4, A3 , A2 or A1, say at York to try and see any mythical toy approach flangeless trailing wheels? Or ask someone involved with the full size locomotives and the LMS pacifics to give them a good laugh about flangless trailing wheels.
allways wanted a train set , now at 60 maybe i can free some space up in my attic . Sam this is your fault , the misses is going too hate me lol . great vids i love them .
9:53 Wow, I never seen a locomotive that has sprung buffers, but are sometimes stuck. I wonder if someone else experienced this problem with another locomotive.
Very good review of an impressive model.Yes those glue marks would annoy me at the price.Your vids can be very informative and since I very rarely buy online I always inspect at my Model Shop which is a great shop.Whenever I buy online I always worry about damage,quality and the hassle of sending it back.I must say though it’s a beautiful model
Thanks Alan - yes not best pleased with those, but very happy overall! Yes that's true about online buying - but I don't live that close to a retailer, and with the amount of stuff I review being so great, I don't have much choice :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Beautiful loco though Sam. Just wanted to put through an idea for you...I think you should go out of your usual comfort zone with the 00 gauges and maybe go out and review a 7 1/4 gauge loco. Just a suggestion. Keep up the good reviews mate😊
Hi sam, very good video as always. Good model too. But I will say that the train you ran with the new princess, the mail car is supposed to be at the front I believe.
It certainly looks nice, LMS livery is one of the best, but that might just be my bias as a midlander, but the model, i would say is really flippin' good, i like it
Another great review. Do you the glue marks is a problem with the batch or more of an individual problem and you where the lucky one to get one less then perfect?
It's a beautiful locomotive Sam. It is expensive though. I seen it here for 209 euro. I thought the running board would have been diecast but it certainly has class and the new tooling is obvious in the smooth running. Great review as always. Bye for now basil.
As an American I’ve learned a lot about British railroad equipment from your videos. My previous exposure was limited to Thomas & Friends and the Hogwarts Express. Thanks a lot.
Great to hear that Zendo - thank you! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
Level of details & visual realism is incredible!!!!!!!!!!! Love all the riveting all over the model, pipework & quality of livery applied!
Yeah I agree - it looks wonderful! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam, so I've got a Little idea for a running session, I though it would be interesting to see a running session with trains from the North Yorkshire Moors heritage line.
BlisseyRan that is an amazing idea I love the North Yorkshire Moors Railway I live about 45 minutes away from the Grosmont
Yeah, please do it sam!
That would be fantastic - I'll definitely look at doing that! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Sam'sTrains and you could also do running sessions from other railways as well😀
Severn valley! Western and merchant navy's!
My mother walked past as I was watching this review, and said “Is that a SamsTrains video?” I said “Yeah, I’m watching the review of the Princess Royal,” she said, “Yeah, Sam knows everything,”
Definitely the start of hornbys attack on Sam's wallet
haha that started long ago ;)
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Haha
Lol
I live in America, and found a Hornby Princess Royal, R30001 on Amazon US. A bit pricey for me, at $230 (I didn't pay $25 for faster shipping lol - I might change that, but I dunno), and I'm really excited! It's my first model train, and I think it's a good one to start with! Can't wait 'till it arrives... in a month
"The best part about it is it's not a pen"
Oh, I got my excitement up for nothing! ;)
haha sorry about that - more pens coming soon ;)
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
what is a pen in model train terms i know what a pen for writing is but not a model train pen
Hi Sam, how are you? So.. I recently lost the nem socket on the tender of this model, it has been falling of ever since I got the model 🤔. Now I have lost it for good, I am not sure what to do, I live in Portugal so it might be a pain to get a replacement from hornby. Is there another way to get it, if not, can I get it from hornby at all? Thank you for the wonderful review anyway, keep up the good work, wait, this video came out a while ago, keep up the current good work!
William
I feel like this is a contender for being in the top 5 locos of the year! Absolutely brilliant loco and the crimson lake livery looks beautiful on it!
Oh without a doubt - this will take some beating! :O
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Sam, 2020: "This is incredibly expensive, i hought this for £171"
Sam, 2023: "So £189 or thereabouts doesnt sound too bad for a new tooled locomotive"
How times have changed...
Sam: "This is heavy"
*Proceeds to dangle loco by tender*
Viewers: *incoherent screeching*
:D
haha!! No engines were harmed in the making of this video ;)
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Lol
The engine must be like: *god put me out of my misery*
Lol
What a lovely locomotive, I have several Princesses including tender drive versions. Only one has given me problems, I sent it back to Hornby and they repaired it, no hassles. As you said some very minor things let it down, but on the whole I'm very pleased with mine.
one of my favourite LMS locomotives I'm so glad Hornby didn't disappoint with this one great review as always sam hop to see more of this model in the future
p.s i think some of the quality errors are just transport handling (apart from the glue marks that's factory error) and i prefer the pony truck to be articulated
Thanks Daniel - I'm really glad this one worked out good too!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Beautiful model Sam! Some of the most beautiful British steam engines! It’s amazing and we’re very lucky that of only 13 built, there’s 2 preserved examples!
Thanks very much Ryno - yes it's a high proportion of preserved examples!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Well done on this review Sam! The Princess Royal looks absolutely gorgeous! :D
Thanks a lot mate - yes they did an amazing job! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Old vs New please
This is like a new series
Thank you! I'll see what I can do! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Luke Hill yes
Hello Sam. Thank you for the great video. I received my Princess Elizabeth yesterday, but there aren't any glue marks on it. My Hornby Terrier didn't have any glue marks, either. It seems odd that you would have had two bad experiences with glue marks. I wonder if any other of your viewers have experienced glue marks.
It's a pleasure Charles - glad to hear yours were much better! Don't get me wrong - I've reviewed hundreds of Hornby models - the glue is rare - but it does turn up once or twice!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Gordon: I am the fastest with my 3 pistons
Sam: The LMS Princess Royal has 4 pistons
Gordon: I have failed my life mission to be the largest Pasific
haha!! ;D
The rivets are fantastic. Great model from Hornby and superb review from you, covering all aspects.
It's hard for we in Australia to order at present due to very limited freight and no passenger flights, but when that changes, I'll be considering purchasing.
Yes you're right - the rivets just look right on this one, super impressive! Hopefully you can get one some day! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I just found out something really interesting. The fact that new hornby engines have flangeless and non pivoting back axles so actually to make them more realistic in a cool way. its trying to represent the Cartazzi axle, which is an axle that doesnt pivot but instead shifts from side to side in its axle boxes to accommodate tight curves. And, since model train tracks are much too tight for the wheel to actually work, they make them flangeless
28:31 Is the odd one out the Merchant Navy Class? If so, the theme would be LMS locomotives. The Merchant Navy Class is from the Southern railway.
It may have been - I forget now mate! :O
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
My friend The Narrow Gauge Engine flipped when I told him that this beautiful loco was being re-released!
Great vid!
-Dj
haha awesome - I was pretty happy too! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
Thanks The Express Engine,and I hope I can buy This beautiful model haha!😁
19:02 I think you made her happy with all those compliments sam, she was purring with happiness!
Nicholas Sammons he must get them for nothing, for reviewing them!
haha I guess you're right! I pay for all my models in full Jim, unless otherwise stated! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam I did buy for £189 and didn't have any glue marks... The buffers are sprung and do spring back ok. Lovely Locomotive, very pleased.
Really glad to hear yours was better - it's a superb model in your case then! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Bought this yesterday from rails as my king Arthur had to go back due to a dodgy mechanism. Absolutely amazing runner, and the smokebox glow works brillaint on DCC.
Ahh dear sorry to hear that - great to hear this was better for you!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
What a beautiful loco! Well done for the review Sam. :)
Thanks very much Emma, glad you liked that! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
How can someone dislike this video? Fantastic loco, fantastic reviewer, fantastic review! Well done Sam, from Italy💚🤍❤️!
haha no worries mate - you're very kind, thank you! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
I built this with lego in the past and was a treasured build. This really is the most beautiful and elegant British steam locomotive ever!
Ooh wow that's awesome - I'd love to see that! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
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Hi Sam.
Great review. Love the engine.
I got mine direct from Hornby and it came at the beginning of the week. I agree with the die-cast comment a bit more would have been nice, but as you say, the weight is good. I don't have glue marks on my loco so it could be a quality control thing?
Thanks a lot mate, I love it too! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
Hi Sam, A cotton swab soaked in a bit of vinegar shouldn’t hurt the paint, try it on a hidden spot & check to see if any color transfers to the the swab. At least you are in the UK, and you can complain to Hornby on a local basis. Being in the US, returning something to the UK isn’t very feasible. Since they use CA fumes to bring up fingerprints, perhaps someone in a crime lab knows a way to remove the CA fog without damage to the original article. Good luck!
If I'm feeling brave I might try it Bill - I'm frightened of making it worse! Sorry to hear that - it's a disaster for you then, if you need to return something!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
i would just like to say your videos are amazing and some of my trains are dodgy but your videos taught me how to service and thank you
Thanks so much Connor - that's lovely to hear!! :D
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Sam help! My front bogie for my princess royal came off and idk how to fix it
I was thinking the same thing about the finish.
When you look at it compared to the older version it's just a lot more vibrant and all the lining is much more well defined.
I think I might have to get one 🤣
Yeah definitely - the bodywork is stunning here! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Thanks for the review! I just hope my Princess Royal will be okay when I order it. I've already found the box of my Hornby pen slightly damaged and I dont want that on such an expensive loco.
Fantastic mate - I hope you really enjoy it! Oh dear - be careful with that Pen! :O
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I love how he gives a little introduction about the loco and then shows it running 😎
Thank you! :D
My first childhood train set was the Triang-Hornby RS609 Princess Elizabeth back in 1972, so this is very nostalgic for me. Thanks for another great review!
Shikantaza Hornby are recreating that set for part of there centenary collection
@@terrier_productions How wonderful! Pity I'm N-gauge now 😆
Shikantaza ha ha
Oh very nice - amazing models for the time! :D
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Cor blimey Sam what great loco absolutely cracking but some one at Hornby are slipping in quality control department, myself i would be strait on to Hattons and say a£170. quid for glue marks .I would want a replacement, but that said still a beautiful model i guess i will get one later on i will have to extend my paper round though lol. Great video again Sam me o'l son thank you.
Thanks a lot Tony - yes I hope this doesn't indicate more of a problem with Hornby quality again! If I didn't need to get this reviewed fast, I might have returned it!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Looks like a wonderful model - I went to the bluebell railway yesterday and saw many engines I also took selfies with all the engines in the sheds and visited Stepney - loved the review
-Ollie
Thanks Ollie - that sounds like an amazing day! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Sam, I really love your content. Watching your vids has become a regular pastime for me. This was a very nice review. I really love the maroon livery on this loco and the excellent details, rivets and all. Thumbs up, keep it coming! 😊👍
Thanks so much mate, that's lovely to hear!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
The satin finish is stunning! I really liked the look of that.
For sure - the best thing about this model is the bodywork! :D
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I’ve just ordered based on your excellent review Sam! Can’t wait to get it 🙌
I absolutely love the massive amount of detail on this engine, where they splashed a bit of glue in the boiler I think it’s because Hornby got some clumsy workers, the detail on the interior of the cab is very well done especially where the cab doors are positioned open as well as the firebox doors, the firebox glow is amazing as well, and can you paint one of your steam locomotives to make it look like it’s weathered with the coal dust, ashes and soot all over the locomotive where the running number is barely visible, the spring buffers on the front of locomotive where they stick, that I’m a bit disappointed on, I’m looking forward on seeing more reviews like this in the future, have a great weekend
Thanks a lot Daniel - I love that too - they're amazing except the clumsy glue work ;)
That'd be a great idea too for weathering!
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Very nice indeed. Excellent review as always Sam. It makes you wonder how far the manufactures can 'push the envelope' with regards to detail etc. Lovely model.
Thanks Mike - yeah I agree - can't wait to see what's next!! :D
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I've got one of these on the way from AJMrailways only cost 130 quid delivered to Australia (no VAT)
I hope mine doesn't have the glue marks as yours did. Otherwise, it looks pretty nice to me.
I can't wait to run it alongside the Princess Coronation I got last year.
Nice video Sam
Cheers!
Blimey that's way better - hopefully yours will look better mate! :D
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I love Princess Royal class from the LMS, they are beautiful locomotives. Princess Margaret Rose is preserved at The Midland Railway Centre at Butterley.
Me too Lewis - they really are - I've seen Margaret Rose at Butterley! :D
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Wow Sam. Amazing review as ever! I'm very tempted to go out and buy one now haha. Thanks for the excellent analysis.
Christian
Thanks very much Christian - I can't blame you for that!! :D
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A good honest and enjoyable review Sam......it's a beautiful engine......👍
Thanks a lot mate - appreciate it! :D
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Being something of a customizer my self I think it would deserve a solid 5. The glue marks are easily dealt with. The mechanicals is where the value is for me. Great appearance and performance to back it up. Ive seen too many reviews where it looks astounding but falls down on its performance staggeringly. Just my opinion.
Thanks a lot for sharing! The ease of correcting issues isn't a factor though - the issues were there - for review purposes, that's what counts! The performance wasn't perfect, but I certainly didn't have the problems that others did!
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Honestly the best looking train you’ve shown off so far!
Thanks Michael - I'd say you might be right there!
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Hi Sam great review I have the Princess Margaret Rose in a set with the Royal carriages and a lovely HM 2000 controller lovely set from the early 2000 lovely detail , probably not quite the level of Princess Elizabeth but none the less a stunning model , yes you are right this was a beautiful class and I love the crimson LMS livery....stunning
Ooh yes those are great models - I still love mine! :D
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Still amazes me how much PSI the real things had, even more so than a Gresley A3. Slight more than even there upgraded counterparts, the Duchesses. Amazing video, though I may have commented on it already.
I'm still waiting for mine in the mail! I'm so excited!
Ooh hope it's good Kevin! :D
I'm delighted to hear your review on this fine model Sam...still financially beyond me these days, but one can but dream....!
Thanks very much Bob - I can't blame you for that, I didn't think this was entirely worth the money!
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i think my dad has a few of these, back in the old days me mum used to go out to train fairs in london area and if thre was one ofthese she would buy it for him, i think he has like 4? might be more no idea but its nice to see it being remade for the newer generation of steam goers
Ahh fantastic - yes those older ones were fantastic - I have quite a few - doing a video on them soon! :D
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This is my favorite loco since 2010! And back then it was the old Princess Elizabeth. :)
Ooh good to hear that - even the older models were fantastic!! :D
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Is the duchess class just a double chimney princess correct me if I am wrong?
No it's a completely different (and bigger) class - check them out on wikipedia if you want to know more! :D
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Hey, Sam! I’ve got it already his like the preserved one was the No. 6201 ‘Princess Elizabeth’ the DCC Fitted Sounder, right here in Today’s Easter 2020.
Ahh fantastic - how does it sound?? :D
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I find that when you buy first batch models there is always a few issue, I always wait and then buy. The only reason I preordered the other models is due to them being 100th anniversary models. I find it you go with a tooth pick you can scratch off the white), or with rubbing alcohol you can take a cocktail stick and lightly dab it in the alcohol ( it shouldn’t be damp ). These are two things I do
That's unacceptable Marco - when the models are ready for release, they need to be perfect! I didn't fancy trying to remove the marks - too frightened of damaging it more! :O
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Don’t quote me on this, but I believe the princess class locos had the largest fire box of any other class of loco, measuring at 22sq/f. I wouldn’t fancy firing that on a long incline! Check that out as I may be wrong but I’m sure it’s right. Hope you and the fam are all good! Keep up the great work mate. You stay in and make more videos!
I certainly would be surprised Chris - at least in the UK - they are massive!! Stay safe mate,
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As much as I love GWR Green livery, I'll always have a special place in my heart for LMS Crimson! It just brings out the royal quality that these engines were named after
LMS Crimson is agreeably a beautiful and elegant livery, one of my favourites. Just something about the blue sky of a summer day or the grey sky of a winter day, and then you see a beautiful red machine travel among it, it stands out enough for it to blend and fit into the scenery
Yeah me too - it's superb isn't it?! :D
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@@SamsTrains Like I said, I'm being deliberately pedantic so I can be a massive nerd about rack railways :P. Keep up the good work, mate :).
Hey Sam, amazing video as always! That truly is a wonderful locomotive, she really looks stunning down and running! :D
Quick Question, have you heard about the new "Hunt Coupling" close magnetic couplers at all? They look really good, adds a good amount of realism to the coaches!
Thanks so much Jack - they are wonderful indeed! Yes I've heard about them - I hope to cover them soon! :D
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I never saw your Hornby pen video. But It's good to see a people Hornby Locomotive.
haha it was nice to get back to locos again ;)
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I had this one when i was a child in 1961 so i presume it was one of the first ones, mine had Smoke deflectors though and it was all metal in those days, i still have the Transformer kicking around. We had the real one come through Cornwall not too long ago, magic to see the full size version after all these years, we were even treated to a bit of wheel slip as it pulled out of the Station
If it was metal, most likely you had a Hornby Dublo un-streamlined Coronation class - those were amazing machines! :D
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Maybe Sam, you should try live steam version it would blows your mind out if they make one like that.
That would be superb! Never come across a Live steam Princess in OO though!
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Hmm, I have a friend having a old princess royal belonging to my great grandpa. Damn, it’s fascinating how products and detail have changed over time.
Ooh lovely - the old ones are still excellent! :D
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She's a beauty. I would buy one but I need a loft and a layout like yours as my current layout is mostly suitable for smaller locomotives. This might change as I am considering a layout rebuild.
Thanks a lot Ben - ooh sounds like a good project for you! ;D
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What a beautiful loco, I might buy it to display in my room, I can’t have a layout because of space. One question, how does it look in real life
This model looks very good. I have the previous model (46207 'Princess Arthur Of Connaught') and this engine is weak on the smokebox, the shape of the chimney, the motion bracket fitted on the later Princesses (and which was not fitted to 46200/46201). Trouble is, do I abandon my never used (my models sit in a cabinet and are not run) 46207 and buy the new one? I don't like the over bright pipework under the cab on the new one but the smokebox and wheels are terrific and an etched nameplate would make all my previous Hornby engines look so much better. A very fair review and very interesting.
Thanks John - haha that's quite a dilemma - these are lovely, but not cheap of course! Your call! ;D
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I see what you mean about the finish looks stunning! Really like the firebox glow looks better than Bachmanns attempt lol! Hope they add that in to future releases? Great review!
Thanks mate, I definitely thought so! And you're right about the firebox glow too!
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Excellent review Sam of one of the most beautiful steam locos ever. Cheers Norbert
Thanks Norbert -yeah I agree! :D
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Hey Sam, my model came Thursday, all seems well and I'm very pleased with it. You could argue the price point for ever and a day however, they are not toys and are classed as luxury items and attract the higher price points, not sure what the answer to that is. To buy or not to buy?
Great to hear that Colin - they certainly are luxury items, that's true - hence why I marked the value for money down because of the gluemarks ;)
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Cool! You’re reviewing the Princess Royal Class for real time and it’s not an April fools joke! It’s got a lovely colour scheme. I still love your april fools videos anyway. Love to see what April fools vid you have planned for 2020.
haha absolutely - I agree, lovely colour scheme indeed! :D
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Jolly good show Sam.
Love your reviews mate. I've got 4 of these locos and I've weathered them. Couldn't find any manufacturing defects at all. Not a criticism mate! Just observation. They're the nicest locos in my fleet. Always was a Bachmann fan boy, but I think hornby are getting the edge. Keep up the good work mate 👍
In the first Batches, William Stanier had a lot of GWR influences in the design. Hence the first batches having GWR style slide bars and later ones having conventional LMS ones
Ahh yes I remember reading that - very interesting stuff! :D
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Hi Sam. Does it have a fall plate? Doesn't look like it does. A painted crew would be nice for that price. I'm surprised that Bachmann haven't sorted the firebox flicker. It's a simple job. I have flickering lamps on my shunting layout. You can buy 12 volt flickering LEDs. A good review as usual. Regards, Alan.
Yes it does have one - it just doesn't reach the tender unless they're close coupled! I agree - no idea why they couldn't do that - I expect they didn't want to spend the extra ;)
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10:10 Nice attention to detail Hornby. I love it.
Me too mate! :D
I think this LMS Princess Class by Hornby deserves an A! :)
Things I like:
-Separately fitted details
-Weight
-Livery
-Performance
Things I don’t like:
-Sprung buffers being stuck
-Glue marks
-Roof intakes being loose and crooked
Good score mate - I think an A is fair! :D
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Having a small UK layout, I'm always trying to avoid buying the big Pacifics. I never succeed. The good news is that, for a variety of reasons, it looks like I will be building a much bigger UK layout. Cheers!
haha glad to hear that Andrew - they are impossible to resist! ;D
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The Thumbnail said "New Tool".... I was sure it was a video about ME!!! 😜😆
At least it's NOT a Pen! 🐴😜
Sam..... That Loco is freaking GORGEOUS!! That just became my second favorite, right behind the Mallard.
Carmine ✈🚂🚙
haha!! Yeah they really are gorgeous - good choice of favourites there! :D
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Even though I’m not much of a fan of steam loco’s, I do really like the princess.
Ooh glad to hear that! ;D
Great review of a significant model. I want one in either BR blue or Maroon. BR green is too understated for a Princess IMHO. I'm still in love with my earlier version and wondering how they could ever make a big improvement. The finish allows the maroon to show through unlike the near matt finish of earlier versions.
Thanks Craig - ooh yes the BR blue looks fantastic!! :D
They are an improvement, but a very expensive one!
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Yup, the surface finish and rivets seem unusually good. The printing, too.
Yeah absolutely - mightily impressed by that! :D
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Haven't watched the review yet, but this is the review I've been waiting for. If it is better than the new Coronation or Sir William Stanier FRS, I can't wait for mine to arrive. My heart is in my mouth.
I hope mine doesn't have glue marks. The paintwork looks amazing, maybe I need new coaches now?
Thanks a lot mate - ooh yes it's better than the Coronation in my opinion! :D
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Maybe you can mod it by adding smoke unit.
That would be fantastic - would love that! :D
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I've have the same engine but i need parts for the running gear so i phoned hornby for the parts and they told me that the model was over 15 year old and they did not have the parts
They said that for the latest model? I’d call them up, tell them they’re wrong, and ask again for the spares! Keep me posted my friend - let me know if they don’t help you!
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Awesome..Not watched your channel in ages Sam..This is a GREAT loco !! Ade
Thanks a lot Ade - yes this one was marvellous! :D
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Great review Sam,great model so good in fact I now have four of them.
That loco looks really nice! The red really goes with it!
Thank you - I agree!! :D
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Your example runs better than the one shown on the hornby magazine video. your cilinder on the right doesn''t 'bounce' up and down. 😁
It just shows that not all examples are the same
Very interesting Ron, I wasn't aware of this - thanks for the tip!
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Super model thumbs up to Hornby.No problems with mine fantastic can not wait for the Princess Royal TTS decoders to be released. 😃
Thanks a lot Richard - glad to hear yours was good - the TTS decoders sound good! :D
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That chassis was used for Gordon in the Rev. W. Awdry's layout.
Yeah the tri-ang one certainly was!! :D
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14:28 I'm surprised people complained about that on an A4. The trucks under the cab of LNER pacifics actually don't pivot like other trailing wheels because they are Cartazzi axles which have flangeless wheels and a bit of sideways play on the axle but otherwise do not pivot or swivel. I'm not sure about the Lizzies, though.
Ahh really? I never knew that - I'd love to know if the Lizzies were like that!
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@@SamsTrains It's pretty interesting to look at. I once saw a video on UA-cam a few few years back with the A1 Locomotive Trust discussing how to Cartazzi axle worked in detail while Tornado was under construction. I can't find it anymore, unfortunately.
@@SamsTrains Some confusion has come about here. The Cartazzi truck wheels would never be flangless as the flanges impart the sideways play to the axles. Otherwise they would just roll off the rails with disastrous results. It is a toy approach by Hornby to cope with toy radius tracks but having no daylight above the trailing truck. I would hope they found a better way.
Even Triang, in 1962, pointed out that the minimum mainline radius used by BR would scale to 9 or 10 feet in 00, so letting users think of the compromises needed when moving away from exact scale. (Source page 21 of Triang First Ten Years book).
The A1 trust provides a useful PDF :
www.a1steam.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/TOPLINK6.PDF that on page 19, can be seen a diagram of the movement allowed and the flanges can be seen on the wheels. Also has more detail of the design by Francis James Cortazzi prior to his death in 1869 (so he got mis-spelt by sloppiness along the way) but importantly the problems involved with the design. In the 1930s Sir William Stanier was in India investigating the derailments of Indian Pacifics and the role this axle played in it. So would be interesting to find what Sir William Stanier thought of the design.
From the P2 trust site can be seen the Cartazzi wheelset with the flanges clearly visible after the tyres, which have the flanges on them are clearly visible : www.p2steam.com/category/construction/page/4/
Perhaps this flangless mis-information came about by someone jumping to the wrong conclusion after seeing contruction views of wheelsets before the wheel tyres had been fitted. The P2 trust give some good information on fitting the tyres if the whole document is read rather than looking at an early picture in isolation.
Sam, do you have any contacts that can look at say a preserved A4, A3 , A2 or A1, say at York to try and see any mythical toy approach flangeless trailing wheels? Or ask someone involved with the full size locomotives and the LMS pacifics to give them a good laugh about flangless trailing wheels.
allways wanted a train set , now at 60 maybe i can free some space up in my attic . Sam this is your fault , the misses is going too hate me lol . great vids i love them .
Sounds great - I'm sure you'll enjoy it... maybe you could just not tell the misses?! ;D
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9:53 Wow, I never seen a locomotive that has sprung buffers, but are sometimes stuck. I wonder if someone else experienced this problem with another locomotive.
Me neither - never seen that before!
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Very good review of an impressive model.Yes those glue marks would annoy me at the price.Your vids can be very informative and since I very rarely buy online I always inspect at my Model Shop which is a great shop.Whenever I buy online I always worry about damage,quality and the hassle of sending it back.I must say though it’s a beautiful model
Thanks Alan - yes not best pleased with those, but very happy overall! Yes that's true about online buying - but I don't live that close to a retailer, and with the amount of stuff I review being so great, I don't have much choice :(
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Beautiful loco though Sam. Just wanted to put through an idea for you...I think you should go out of your usual comfort zone with the 00 gauges and maybe go out and review a 7 1/4 gauge loco. Just a suggestion. Keep up the good reviews mate😊
Ooh that might be cool - I may try some other gauges at some point! :D
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Hi sam, very good video as always. Good model too. But I will say that the train you ran with the new princess, the mail car is supposed to be at the front I believe.
Thanks a lot mate - ahh you may be right, I'll remember that! :D
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It certainly looks nice, LMS livery is one of the best, but that might just be my bias as a midlander, but the model, i would say is really flippin' good, i like it
haha I think that's definitely fair to say - they're amazing! :D
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Another great review. Do you the glue marks is a problem with the batch or more of an individual problem and you where the lucky one to get one less then perfect?
Thanks a lot Kyle - I have no idea unfortunately - it could well be a problem with the whole lot :(
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It's a beautiful locomotive Sam.
It is expensive though.
I seen it here for 209 euro.
I thought the running board would have been diecast but it certainly has class and the new tooling is obvious in the smooth running.
Great review as always.
Bye for now basil.
Thanks mate, yes very expensive! Glad you enjoyed the review,
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Sam :)