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  • Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
  • Mike, Camilla, Chris, and Zee discuss their thoughts on this lavish racing game with plenty of content in the box.
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  • @searose6192
    @searose6192 Рік тому +146

    I love these group reviews. So much better than a single reviewer. Keep doing what you're doing guys!

    • @esTOPfomo
      @esTOPfomo Рік тому

      Unless the single reviewer is Tom, obviously

  • @Ipazc
    @Ipazc Рік тому +21

    My hype in board games does not came from kickstarter campaigns, it came for you guys. Excellent video as always.

  • @RadeTcg
    @RadeTcg Рік тому +9

    Hmm strange they thought it was unintuitive.I thought with Zees explanation I can pretty much play this game already.

  • @Flip5ide
    @Flip5ide Рік тому +16

    Everything you all said makes total sense, looks great, sounds like it plays great but even with Zee's explanation I feel like I'd need to play it to actually understand it.

  • @mf_from_hell
    @mf_from_hell Рік тому +19

    The Legends module really is a stroke of genius. I couldn't believe how well it worked considering the simplicity of it. Having played Heat both solo and with five and six other players, I think you should always fill out extra spots (so that there are always six cards on the grid) with legends, because they work well and help struggling players with slipstreaming through corners. The only weird thing with the AI is that the blue car always draws the short end of the stick and finish last. If this wasn't based on 60s F1, you would think the blue car is a Williams.

    • @carsons5750
      @carsons5750 Рік тому +8

      In the 60s they raced with national colours and Blue was the American Eagle which did not do well. In the 1967 season (which the box art most resembles IMO), they retired from 8/10 races and the teams entire lifespan run of 25 races entered had 1 win.
      Seems accurate, lol!

    • @SeenD
      @SeenD Рік тому

      At the 6 games I played with legends, green always finished last of the legends. :) Often the driver had a 0 or 1 to drive the corners.

  • @EngMadison
    @EngMadison Рік тому +7

    Actually, if your car goes slow it'll heat up. Race cars need to move in order to get air circulating through them to cool themselves.
    (I'll see myself out)

  • @vonwoolf9963
    @vonwoolf9963 Рік тому +40

    I find the whole commentary from Chris really on the spot. And it's not the first time I found myself thinking that about his opinions and the way he put them out there.

  • @jameswoodard4304
    @jameswoodard4304 Рік тому +14

    1. Yes, this looks awesome, and I'd love to give it a try.
    2. But a couple of those mechanical mechanisms (no that's not a typo) are *completely* backwards! The spot for the heat deck should not have represented anything. Your deck represents the car, so heat going into your *deck* represents your engine overheating. That spot on the board should have just said "Heat" rather than representing the engine.
    And I promise you that if you slam your transmission down into 2nd or 1st while going at speed, you aren't *reducing* the strain on your vehicle! Your rpms with go through the roof, the temps will shoot up, and your fuel will disappear like magic.
    I've noticed games seem to think of gears as speed levels rather than efficiency modifiers. You have to reduce *speed* going into the corner, but you only gear down so you can come back out of the corner efficiently. It isn't cooling down your engine, it's actually ramping up the direct power tranfer from engine to wheels. Higher gears actually increase efficiency and let the vehicle run "cool" enough to go at higher speeds.
    And I love that starting in a higher gear off the line implies a quick burst of speed at the beginning rather than the complete opposite which is reality.
    But it all seems like it would work together well to make a truely strategic/tactical, dynamic (Mike again with the good word choices!) racing game. And it's good solo?! 👍

    • @stephens2401
      @stephens2401 Рік тому +2

      absolutely agree. dropping a gear before a corner is not cooling the engine in any way. You're raising the revs to be at it's maximum torque range coming out of the corner. The theme takes a huge hit here for me but I'll still check it out. Hard to imagine it's better than Rallyman GT

    • @TechWiz717
      @TechWiz717 Рік тому

      Yeah unfortunately while it FEELS thematic it’s the inverse of how gears interact with the engine in reality. Consider, however, that most people have no idea how gears work, especially with so much automatic transmission and that mechanically for the game it simulates the slowing down into corners and speeding up out of them well. I don’t know how you’d implement more accurate gear shifting without completely changing how the game is played and I’m not sure it would works as well.
      Also I do feel the heat in your “engine” is best thought of as how much you can push the car beyond its normal limit (excluding the gear shifting which as you described is inverted) without causing a catastrophic failure. It’s not a perfect metaphor either, because it implies that driving more conservatively is kind of fixing your car by cooling down but I think it’s just a bit weird if you get really into the theme of how it works. Mechanically it makes sense and it somewhat approximates things though.
      Unrelated to heat but I do wish they had a qualifying option for the grid order. Personally think it kind of works to do a lap and see how many turns of play each player needs on a solo lap to finish the track.

  • @torelaursen4139
    @torelaursen4139 Рік тому +19

    This game knocks every other racing game out of the park😊 excellent

    • @KristoVaher
      @KristoVaher Рік тому +5

      It really doesn't. It is not strategic enough. It has none of the sweet positioning and tango of a race that Rallyman GT has. It's even less strategic than Flamme Rouge.

    • @joeskis
      @joeskis Рік тому

      No way. Championship Formula Racing is the only race game that's all about how well you can drive you car. It's top in that category. My favorite racing game is Thunder Alley/Grand Prix. I know, what's his name, doesn't like the game because it's too slow. I got no problem with that.

    • @joeskis
      @joeskis Рік тому

      @@KristoVaher Just can't get over that constantly shifting is faster than staying in 5th gear in Rallyman.

    • @TheBrokenMeeple
      @TheBrokenMeeple Рік тому +1

      Yeah sorry, but Downforce and other racing games are done quicker and easier. The HEAT system in this game is great but it confuses many casual gamers to the point of extended turns. Games taking 60-90 to do all the laps especially on the windy tracks like Italy etc. It's a shame as a lot of this game is great, but the length of time I'm sitting there waiting for my next turn its an off put.
      Also Flamme Rouge is great Kristo :P

    • @joeskis
      @joeskis Рік тому

      @@TheBrokenMeeple hm, so sorta like Automobiles? Where players can think thru multiple ways to lay down their cubes which often can take awhile.

  • @rembrandtbrown6450
    @rembrandtbrown6450 Рік тому +6

    I really like the aesthetics of the game and the gameplay looks solid but I can't help but imagine a variant that's a deck builder with wacky races/speed racer antics.

  • @RabbitofCaerbannog13
    @RabbitofCaerbannog13 Рік тому +8

    We just played this at BGG Con and REALLY liked it

  • @markstamp3937
    @markstamp3937 Рік тому +5

    The overview had me thinking that this is a clunkier flamme rouge so interested to play it to see what the guys saw

  • @santeeblack3580
    @santeeblack3580 Рік тому +3

    This+ galaxy trucker= the anime Redline board game.. would be rad!

  • @nobbynobbs8182
    @nobbynobbs8182 Рік тому +6

    Just got the game myself and exited to get it on the table. Disappointing that the box seems oversized for the physical content though

    • @DTChrisYi
      @DTChrisYi Рік тому +8

      There's a good amount of content in there and a competent insert. But if this gets a bunch of expansion maps, I'm chucking the insert and fully utilizing that box space.

    • @TechWiz717
      @TechWiz717 Рік тому

      Box is well sized. There’s a great insert to sort everything out, the two boards are 3 layers thick and there’s 3 modules of extra content beyond the base game.

  • @nicholaslever-naylor8315
    @nicholaslever-naylor8315 9 місяців тому +1

    What I find odd is that the heat mechanic makes heaps more sense if it was tire heat - one of F1s biggest elements is managing tire temp where some heat is good but too much wrecks the grip and slows you down or forces you to heat manage. With that they could have then added a pistop mechanic that let’s you dump all your heat if you “change tires”

  • @racheldav4643
    @racheldav4643 Рік тому +4

    Not my favourite theme, but it was thematic. I totally share Camilla’s point of view that you need at least one test playthrough. It is an attractive game; the little car pieces are nifty. I could see this becoming a classic game and possibly being in top ten games of the year.

  • @kallegrafstrom5865
    @kallegrafstrom5865 Рік тому +3

    Hi all,
    Those of you who have played Heat and Flamme Rouge with both Peleton and Meteo expansions, how different is Heat to those?
    To me it sounds alot like Flamme Rouge with both expansions included.
    Kind regards
    Kalle

  • @scotthenderson1762
    @scotthenderson1762 Рік тому +4

    WOW! Glad to see that everyone likes this game so much! Added to the top of my Christmas list.

  • @njshaw2
    @njshaw2 Рік тому +3

    Played this last weekend, and loved it. Super game. My one complaint is the price; because it has all those extra modules and extra board, the cost is above what I think it should really be for the weight of game, and will likely detract mass-market consumers potentially discovering & purchasing it. I wonder if they considered a slimmed-down version with expansion modules available separately but decided to just put it all in the one box? I would totally have picked up a "basic" version if it meant lower cost, then bought the extra "expansion modules" at a later date if I played the game enough . At the current price, it's just way too expensive to justify. Hopefully the price will come down though.

    • @alcovitch
      @alcovitch Рік тому +2

      Disagree. The base game is way too simplistic. It REALLY needs the other modules to feel complete. Playing with the AI, the upgrade card drafting and the weather is kind of required to make this a complete game. Even then I wish there was a bit more going on.

  • @lllorez
    @lllorez Рік тому +3

    I think if you think about it like the heat on the engine block is potential heat, so thats why it's bad in hand but when you put it back on the engine it goes back to being potential heat the would originate from the engine if created.

    • @DicepairGames
      @DicepairGames Рік тому +1

      That's how I understood it. If it gets in your discard pile/deck, it means you got heat. If it's returned to that pile, you get rid of it, so your car cools down.

  • @scottrenfer2735
    @scottrenfer2735 Рік тому +3

    Looks cool! I just got my dad Formula D for his bday, and we're going to play it this weekend for the first time. This and Flamme Rouge are both on my list for possible future gifts for him. This one might be too complicated for him though... Thanks y'all!

    • @kcthebarbarian
      @kcthebarbarian Рік тому +6

      Downforce is a great racing game with different levels of play, as you can play a simplified variant (in the rules) without the auction portion. My children and parents play it this way all of the time, and we still enjoy it immensely.

  • @bullno1
    @bullno1 Рік тому +2

    I like how Kickstarter has become a dirty word.

  • @Orochi_001
    @Orochi_001 Рік тому +1

    Perhaps a clarification of the word “clutchy” is in order, as much as it’s being used here. The definition I’m seeing has no relationship whatsoever to this discussion.

  • @crosscutgames
    @crosscutgames Рік тому +2

    I too love the group reviews. This one looks really great! On the Wish List it goes!

  • @dddmmm21
    @dddmmm21 Рік тому +1

    I never felt the game clutchy, everyone fully got it by round 3. I also never told people the heat storage area was the "engine", I just said it is where you keep your Heat cards. My only con is that it felt long, everyone felt game should be over by mid 2nd lap.

  • @marcuswilliams8762
    @marcuswilliams8762 Рік тому +3

    I was hoping this wouldn't be a Flamme Rouge reskin, as I simply adore that game. Seems different enough to own both... I really want this game now. Great review as always... thanking you all.

    • @Naeddyr
      @Naeddyr Рік тому

      Oh it's the same designers, no wonder it felt similar! "A more complicated Flamme Rouge" went through my head; deck management, bad cards clogging your deck when you do certain things, slip-streaming rules. Even the rule from Flamme Rouge where you always move your cyclist to the right side of the track if possible is more complicated here (and I'm not sure why).

    • @paulwilkins4332
      @paulwilkins4332 Рік тому

      @@Naeddyr It's for theme....keeping cars on the inside of the turn. For me, I like the thematic nod over the slightly simpler rule in Flamme Rouge

    • @Naeddyr
      @Naeddyr Рік тому

      @@paulwilkins4332 I guess that explains it.

  • @jakermaker9697
    @jakermaker9697 Рік тому +1

    Star Wars Podracing version next? Great review and can’t wait for my Amazon delivery this week 😊

  • @charliedc4728
    @charliedc4728 Рік тому +1

    Wow, this seems really fun. I almost pre-ordered it, but then I realize it's about racing cars. Delete...thank goodness...I avoid yet another game on the shelf that would never be played...whooph! But for you race car fans...it looks groovy 👍

    • @TechWiz717
      @TechWiz717 Рік тому +1

      I’m a little bit of a racing fan, but not huge and none of the people I’ve played with are racing fans in any way. Everyone still loves it. Very worth checking out still imo.

  • @wanplaypause
    @wanplaypause Рік тому +1

    This or Flamme Rouge if you don’t have either yet?

  • @ian_forbes
    @ian_forbes Рік тому +7

    Sounds like the best teach would be to “play” a lap open handed with the group and then start again “for real”. With that said, I don’t see why I would play this over Downforce.

    • @grog3514
      @grog3514 Рік тому +9

      This is a racing game. Down force is a racing themed betting game with racing elements. Everyone technically controls all the cars.

    • @kcthebarbarian
      @kcthebarbarian Рік тому

      @@grog3514 Not entirely true about Downforce, as there are multiple variants in the rules that allow racing without the auction portion of the game. This is primarily how I play with my parents and children, and we still have a great time.

    • @ozza000
      @ozza000 Рік тому

      It seems a very different game to Downforce to me. Heat is purely about winning the race and doing the best move for you every turn. Downforce is half a betting game, it's more about manipulating the race to the result you want than necessarily winning the race. Apart from the racing theme, I don't think they are that comparable.

    • @grog3514
      @grog3514 Рік тому +1

      @@kcthebarbarian I used to play Monopoly as a race with a racing variant too. Yet Monopoly is still not a racing game.

    • @kcthebarbarian
      @kcthebarbarian Рік тому

      Except in this included variant you are literally trying to cross the finish line first with your car, which makes it a race. Pretty sure Monopoly does not have that official variant in a majority of its iterations, since it is not a racing game. Don't know why this has to be an argument. Just wanted to point out that Downforce also includes a straight racing game in the reprint, for those who don't have the game and might be turned off by labeling it strictly an auction/betting game.

  • @apertotes
    @apertotes 4 місяці тому

    Racing cars do not cool down at low speeds. That is hardly realistic and all the catch up integrated in the game push me back from Heat.

  • @ConeDefense
    @ConeDefense Рік тому +1

    We all knew Mike liked the art without watching the video.
    That said, I agree.

  • @YegRon
    @YegRon Рік тому +1

    This was a really interesting review. For the first half I was quite sure you weren’t going to rate it well. Yet you clearly all loved it! I don’t have a racing game in my collection yet, so I’ll definitely be looking at this. Thank you for the review!!

  • @hamilflynch307
    @hamilflynch307 11 днів тому

    They should have named it fuel with fuel cards

  • @MichaelLettner
    @MichaelLettner Рік тому +1

    Makes me glad I learned this at a convention for the guy teaching it did great and we even added the garage cards. After just the first play I give this a 9 so I'm excited to hear that it gets better with more plays. Now it just needs to get in stock for me to buy it!

    • @MichaelLettner
      @MichaelLettner Рік тому

      It was a hot game at Tokencon and it was the only game that was constantly being played all three days. And there was two copies always being played.

  • @Max-pj9km
    @Max-pj9km Рік тому +1

    In the Spanish version of the game, "heat" cards are named "forced engine". I think is a better way to name it and at least for me, it makes more sense.

    • @DanielSultana
      @DanielSultana Рік тому

      Interesting, especially since it is addressed in the video at 17:00 that "heat" might not be adequate, but this brings up two new questions, First of all, what is the game itself called since "Heat" is in the title of the English version? Secondly what are the "cool down" cards called in the Spanish version?

  • @fenixreborn3834
    @fenixreborn3834 Рік тому +1

    I've been looking for the right racing game to get, and I have high hopes for this one. I'm hyped that they all liked it!

  • @Sgrand80
    @Sgrand80 Рік тому +1

    Not a car guy but my guess is when you shift up and go fast you put stress "heat" on the engine. When you down shift you go slower and put less stress on the engine so it allows you to put stress on it later when you shift up again.

    • @jameswoodard4304
      @jameswoodard4304 Рік тому +6

      That's how it works in the game, yes, but real gears actually do the opposite. Higher gears actually reduce strain on the engine which *allows* for higher speeds.
      For instance, if your car gets stuck in first gear because of a malfunction, your engine is going to be roaring, overheating, and burning through fuel way before you get up to minimum safe highway speeds. But if it were to get stuck at a high gear, it would stall out at low speeds for lack of umph.
      If you slammed a car going at racing speeds down to first gear, the engine would probably explode. And if you tried to start from a standstill in 3rd, it would just stall out and never move an inch.
      So the gears are actually backwards (like the heat cards) in this game.
      The game still looks like it works great, it's just backwards from reality on a couple things.

  • @wrightknight5508
    @wrightknight5508 Рік тому +4

    Seems like this might benefit from a Wingspan Swift Start pack type treatment. A small module for beginners that simulates one lap, perhaps a pace lap/formation lap. Or, a Terraforming Mars Prelude-ish module helping to set the game state, like qualifying for position.

  • @holden88
    @holden88 Рік тому +1

    I thought the term "clutchy" with regards to board gaming meant games where the winner of the game can be decided by one decisive factor (one strategy, turn, play ect...). For example, a clutch play is one that completely secures the victory. These guys don't seem to be using it in that way. Is there an alternate definition?

    • @DTChrisYi
      @DTChrisYi Рік тому +4

      We're too old and uncool to use clutch in that sense. I mean it's like when you're driving standard/stick shift for the first time and you are bad on the clutch. It's not a smooth drive, gears grind and the car might stall out. But once you learn the nuance of how to use the clutch, you can drive great.

    • @bannacha
      @bannacha Рік тому

      I think it is one of those multi meaning words. We used to say clutching up or he clutched up to mean he froze up before the race. I too often heard that from an old track coach. 😂

  • @nightwishpower
    @nightwishpower Рік тому +1

    I think the heat mechanic is genius

  • @logicalparadox2897
    @logicalparadox2897 9 місяців тому

    Definitely agree with the discourse here. I had all the same thoughts, confusions, and criticisms. It's a fantastic game, but the iconography is a bit of a miss in many ways. I particularly feel mystified by the React step having 3 icons on it... when it's really just boosting or cool down, so why the heat icon? Also, while the individual mechanisms are very simple, the mechanics of how they come together and interact is difficult to wrap one's head around at first (and not super easy to explain).
    And I agree that the primary metaphor behind the key mechanisms and the theme (Heat) is pretty counter intuitive and head-scratchy. Its like taking Death cards out of your heart in order to represent damage and then returning the death tokens to your heart to represent healing.

    • @Rufiy0
      @Rufiy0 8 місяців тому

      The reason why there is heat icon in the react step is because once you start playing with the upgrade cards, they have heat as a mandatory cost to play those cards, there's even more icons in the advance upgrades all of which you can take in any order

  • @timdertim
    @timdertim 8 місяців тому

    Crazy I also gave this an 8.5

  • @arnold2011
    @arnold2011 Рік тому +2

    Love Flamme Rouge. Just need Heat now.

    • @KristoVaher
      @KristoVaher Рік тому

      It's less strategic than Flamme. Beware.

    • @TheGameBoyGeeks
      @TheGameBoyGeeks Рік тому +3

      I disagree, this was much more strategic than Flamme Rouge. The designer has evolved since the. And Has re used what he designed into Flamme Rouge but made it much more interesting.

  • @roberthuffman2620
    @roberthuffman2620 Рік тому

    Let's talk about the Elephant in the Room shall we? They didn't say anything about Down Force or Formula D and how it compares. Why should I buy this? ...if my fun with Formula D is practically complete? (Just playing devil's advocate there). At first glance this look almost exactly like Formula D with cards.

  • @TheLimestoneCowboy
    @TheLimestoneCowboy Рік тому

    I’m impressed! If I understand correctly, You use a revolving deck of cards, but the you don’t buy cards.
    The cards that clog your deck are actually useful, but only when culled.
    And to use it, you gotta reintroduce it to your deck!
    Cards and gears and other systems all affect each other in very few steps

  • @jeremycarlson1189
    @jeremycarlson1189 Рік тому

    Ok...I now may be sold on this game. It seems less...lucky?...than Formula De, which I like. Great review everyone!

  • @JeffGoris
    @JeffGoris Рік тому

    I agree with everything you guys said about this game, except that I rate it a 10. Yes, it was a tricky to get into, but after 1 lap, it's a total joy to play. Thanks for your review. It did help convince me to acquire this game.

  • @mikeghanley
    @mikeghanley Рік тому

    This is nearly every mid complexity game and up. Hard to explain, all clicks after a play through.
    Totally agree that some of the iconography isn’t intuitive until after that initial play through.
    Lots of strategy and I really fell in control of my car and how I can plan my race to win.

  • @radioactiveali4619
    @radioactiveali4619 Рік тому

    I’m very torn on this. I love Flamme Rouge, but what makes that game fantastic is it’s elegance. This looks interesting on one hand, but I almost feel they went about 20% too far with the rules grit.

  • @sherlockhomeless7138
    @sherlockhomeless7138 Рік тому

    I agree 100% with Camilla at 14:10 through 14:40. I've seen about 4 videos and I finally seem to be able to grasp it een though it'sreally not a very difficult game.

  • @xWilcoXx
    @xWilcoXx Рік тому

    Way too expensive for what it is and underwhelming to me. I had one random minor slip up in the game I played and my whole game for 30 min was unrecoverable after receiving all the heat cards . I don't like how punishing this game is.

  • @stuashley6220
    @stuashley6220 Рік тому

    If you like racing, definitely try Charioteer, GMT games, Matt Caulkins designer. It’s a real race.

  • @nshaw1299
    @nshaw1299 Рік тому

    I love the idea of Deck managememt, that uses the principals of deck building but the overall list of cards remain the same for each person.
    Any other game already did it?

  • @MrScreenplayJay
    @MrScreenplayJay Рік тому

    I just noticed that the shadows cast by artwork elements on the game board fall in different directions. Not a deal breaker, but a bit disappointing for a DoW title.

  • @codym6376
    @codym6376 Рік тому

    Looks like the price is $60 at GameNerdz. Not sure if I see the value yet, but may watch some other reviews to get a few more viewpoints.

  • @drewkennewell4267
    @drewkennewell4267 Рік тому

    Gotta agree with the comment about calling them Heat cards. Thematically it's just silly and makes zero sense. It would have been far better to name the Heat cards as Stress cards, and then name the Stress cards something else entirely.

  • @gomezthechimp1116
    @gomezthechimp1116 Рік тому +1

    Rallyman's a solo racer.

  • @JonnyLuscious
    @JonnyLuscious Рік тому

    I'm interested in this, but for some reason never can get car racing games to the table.... The theme just doesn't seem to appeal to many people I play with, which is a shame.

  • @Fuzzyape1
    @Fuzzyape1 Рік тому

    A little late, but another minor detail...it's not days of thunder. Thanks for the video! Great job.

  • @Stumptonian1
    @Stumptonian1 Рік тому

    Thanks for the review. Ordered it just now (so my wife can give it to me for Christmas) 😉😎

  • @nathanwallace9960
    @nathanwallace9960 Рік тому

    This box insert clearly has more room in it already prepped for new content like an expansion. Space for another game board, two more player colors, new road condition tokens and a few more advanced play cards... I wonder what the plans are for this and when.

  • @aorakis5795
    @aorakis5795 Рік тому

    Awesome game!
    And it is sure that at least a 2 extra cars expansion (and fortunately 2 more tracks along with those) is on the horizon!
    This game deserved his 8.5 - 9 / 10! No question.
    Rule wise : Note that, the winner is not the 1st passing the finish line. But the one who goes the further after the finish line!
    (the only time the 1st passing = wining is if your opponents are still one corner/turn behind you at the very last corner)
    Sorry, It seemed important to mention it :)
    Big thumbs up for the IA module wich you want to use in every game to get more cars on the board, as it is so easy to manage and so much better for the theme and feeling.
    Also allowing the game to be great in solo!
    Can't wait to have more tracks to make huge championships!
    Cheers from belgium

  • @rafad5767
    @rafad5767 Рік тому

    Thought I didn't need more racing games, but this one looks really good.

  • @marc-andreviau3560
    @marc-andreviau3560 Рік тому

    Seems to feel like rallyman gt. That game (rallyman gt) had the racing feel, and strategy.

  • @Xombigod
    @Xombigod Рік тому

    Great game. No matter if you're a beginner or an expert everyone can enjoy and keep up with the leaders due to the slipstream mechanic.

  • @euestiveemcaboverde
    @euestiveemcaboverde Рік тому

    They will definitely bring outs other tracks

  • @jibi4820
    @jibi4820 Рік тому +1

    how do you feel about Heat compared to Downforce?

    • @TheBrokenMeeple
      @TheBrokenMeeple Рік тому

      Downforce plays much faster - they didn't mention that this game is 60-90 min with a big group of new players.

    • @alcovitch
      @alcovitch Рік тому

      @@TheBrokenMeeple It does not take 90 mins to run 2 laps unless everyone is a first time board gamer.

    • @TheBrokenMeeple
      @TheBrokenMeeple Рік тому

      Oh you mean the target audience for the most part ? This is not a game intended for heavy gamers to be playing constantly.

  • @BerZ3rker360
    @BerZ3rker360 Рік тому

    First time i've seen this game. Will now buy it based on your review👍

  • @eriksjogren800
    @eriksjogren800 Рік тому

    Thanks

  • @born2bwildne744
    @born2bwildne744 Рік тому

    My copy will be here before Christmas !!! Yeah !!

  • @KristoVaher
    @KristoVaher Рік тому

    This here is a little too random, too many catch-up options, too little jockeying for positions. It's less strategic than both Flamme Rouge AND Rallyman GT.

    • @TechWiz717
      @TechWiz717 Рік тому

      Don’t really agree here. There is randomness, but it’s pretty influenced by your own actions as a player. Racing poorly increases your randomness through stress, but that’s the representation of you having lost concentration and now anxious to get back into it. The catchup options are really nice to have, because even with them it’s really easy to be out of the race. You NEED to run all 6 cars imo, it makes position jockeying more exciting and gives more opportunities for it. The AI driver module is extremely streamlined and running 1 or 5 AI drivers is pretty much equivalent effort. Most of the positional battles happen out the gate and in corners, which makes sense to me. Sometimes you get a clear leader and it’s a battle for other positions, sometimes the grid stays close until one person has a disaster or someone is able to break out a bit. The strategic aspects are all in the hand and heat management, it doesn’t entirely come through in the first game, but it is there.

  • @rich926
    @rich926 Рік тому

    If u could only choose 1 - This or Formula D?

  • @stevensmolders3855
    @stevensmolders3855 Рік тому

    picked this one up at Essen spiel. Great racing game indeed.

  • @jelledaems808
    @jelledaems808 Рік тому

    I can concur that this is an amazing game! Thank you for the great review!

  • @JonTripp115
    @JonTripp115 Рік тому

    I think the rules say that if you need to spend a Heat card and don't have any, then you "spin out". Why oh why doesn't it say that you "overheat"?? That's definitely how I'm going to explain it to other people.

    • @TechWiz717
      @TechWiz717 Рік тому

      It’s because the only time you NEED to spend a heat to prevent a heat is in corners. The best way to think of heat in the engine imo is how much additional stress you can put on the car to push beyond its limits. If you overdo it in a corner, you lose control of the car. Theoretically you might crash out, but they can’t really translate that into a game as effectively so it’s a spin out. Think of it like in a racing video game, you try to corner way too fast and turn hard you either crash or you lose control of the car and spin. That’s what the heat is representing. Any other scenario that may require heat, you’re just not allowed to do if you don’t have available heat. You can run fine with an empty heat chamber too, so it’s not really an overheated car.

  • @PaulMDavidson
    @PaulMDavidson Рік тому

    Chris has excellent taste in clothing.

  • @5iron4
    @5iron4 Рік тому

    Are there additional negatives to blowing thru a curve besides taking on heat? A spin out or something? Loss of position?

    • @NotPhilSpencer
      @NotPhilSpencer Рік тому

      If you go through a corner too fast, you pay heat equal to the difference between your speed and the speed limit. If you don't have enough heat to pay, you spin out and go back to the space before the corner.

  • @cardboardconjurer
    @cardboardconjurer Рік тому

    Great breakdown, gang👏 Sold-o🎲

  • @Puzzu
    @Puzzu Рік тому +2

    Thanks for this review! It looks neat, sort of like a hand management version of Formula D but somehow not sure if it grabs me as much as the excitement of rolling the various multi-sided dice that correspond to your gear in Formula D, and then seeing if you wipe out at the corners when you push your luck. There was a simplicity to that game that makes it somehow pretty fun and exciting every time I play it. Maybe the only downside was that it was a bit hard to catch up if you had several bad rolls in a row but still love it. Downforce (and Flamme Rouge) was alright but just didn't have the same feeling of racing excitement. Will have to try this sometime though.

  • @BeyondTheLineProductions
    @BeyondTheLineProductions Рік тому

    This or downforce?

  • @MrUSAFMatt
    @MrUSAFMatt Рік тому +3

    Im sold, just preordered it. Looks amazing

  • @rodboudreau3982
    @rodboudreau3982 Рік тому

    FormulaD but with cards...

    • @laartwork
      @laartwork Рік тому

      Yeah... the dice mechanics is so fun, but there is that euro banner that wants to replace all dice with cards, and it usually feels forced.

  • @SimulationKris
    @SimulationKris Рік тому

    Thanks! Great review.

  • @pnutbutrncrackers
    @pnutbutrncrackers Рік тому

    28:19 -- Zee LOL

  • @lystic9392
    @lystic9392 Рік тому

    17:30 I guess the way I think about it it's not so much that you pay heat but that you take heat. And the engine space is just there to store it.

    • @SeenD
      @SeenD Рік тому

      Yeah, but you remove heat from the engine. Even though in reality it means adding heat to the engine. So I kinda agree with them. I have no idea what to call it, instead of the engine.

    • @lystic9392
      @lystic9392 Рік тому

      @@SeenD The way I explained it to people was the engine was the cards rotating through your hand, discard, and play area. So you take heat into your rotation/engine when you push your car to the limit. It's technically not the correct explanation but they immediately understood it.

  • @evanb6862
    @evanb6862 Рік тому

    Wonder which people prefer between this, Downforce, and Formula D. I'm a big motorsport fan, and would love to get a boardgame with this theme. I guess Rallyman could be in consideration as well.

    • @bhodges3
      @bhodges3 Рік тому

      Don't forget Thunder Alley! ;)

    • @grog3514
      @grog3514 Рік тому

      Those are all great games but get this one. Downforce is mostly a betting game and Formula D can drag if people start counting out their turns. This game plays smoother and feels exciting.

    • @evanb6862
      @evanb6862 Рік тому

      @@grog3514 Well...a little late. :) We got Formula D for Christmas. We've really enjoyed playing it, though, and the kids have asked to bring it out a few times. Perhaps this will be an eventual follow up, but I do love the theming of at least the Formula racing in Formula D. Thanks for the insight!

    • @grog3514
      @grog3514 Рік тому

      @@evanb6862 oh yeah, formula D is still fun! Rolling that giant die in 5th gear is a always a thrill!

  • @mikesied
    @mikesied Рік тому +2

    Heat seems perfectly thematic to me. The harder you push your car, the more the engine will overheat.

    • @MW-jt3ds
      @MW-jt3ds Рік тому +2

      I think what they are saying was that it felt backwards because the harder you push your engine, you remove heat from your engine and put it in your hand. The section of your board where heat is stored shows an engine symbol and as you overheat, you remove heat from this area. It feels right and thematic when you are doing it, but the symbology makes it seem backwards and hurts the teach.

  • @DeltaDemon1
    @DeltaDemon1 Рік тому +2

    Now, all they need is a weapons expansion.

    • @koalabrownie
      @koalabrownie Рік тому

      Never played classic car wars but don't really see how weapons in a racing game would ever work. Seem like you'd either be in the lead and getting shot, or not in the lead and shooting. Silly kart races are a different matter of course.

  • @pedrolembke7628
    @pedrolembke7628 Рік тому +6

    „I feel the need… the need for speed!“ 😂

  • @ryanbrown9102
    @ryanbrown9102 Рік тому +1

    Zee with confidence: "There's just not a lof ot racing games."
    - The others nod their heads, politely, make some gestures of agreement, while (*probably) thinking: "We love you Zee but... what the heck, man!? Where did you bring this one from?"
    (*) Or this is just my own opinion on Zee's insight, which I projected on them.

  • @jamesfaucher4588
    @jamesfaucher4588 Рік тому +1

    I just played this at BGG and I liked it. The rule book is terrible for such a simple game. Also, the gear shifter and player mat are not well made. Formula D does those better. Zee is right about the thematic disconnect with the Stress and Heat cards. The game play is fun and I'm excited to do more when it comes out in the US.

  • @pfcravt
    @pfcravt Рік тому

    I agree with Zee on the heat cards. I heard about the game the first time and wondered what they were thinking there

    • @lllorez
      @lllorez Рік тому +4

      I think if you think about it like the heat on the engine block is potential heat, so thats why it's bad in hand but when you put it back on the engine it goes back to being potential heat the would originate from the engine if created.

    • @huckwach3074
      @huckwach3074 Рік тому +1

      Maybe it should have been coolant. As your engine loses coolant your engine heats up....adding coolant back to the engine cools it down. But I don't think racing cars add/lose coolant during a race so maybe that's not better

    • @Max-pj9km
      @Max-pj9km Рік тому +1

      In the Spanish version of the game, the heat cards are called "forzar motor", or "forced engine". Is that a better way to name it?.

    • @pfcravt
      @pfcravt Рік тому

      @@Max-pj9km that seems odd. There may be more to the way that is used though.

    • @Max-pj9km
      @Max-pj9km Рік тому +1

      @@pfcravt yes, but that's how this type of card is named

  • @TimYoung1984
    @TimYoung1984 Рік тому

    No comparisons to the other great racing games? How does it stack up to Downforce?

    • @ozza000
      @ozza000 Рік тому +3

      It's very different to Downforce. Heat is a pure racing game, you are racing to win. Downforce is half a betting game, and is about manipulating the race to the result you want. Often it's about getting to certain spots to block others to force them to move you. I don't think they are that comparable despite theme.

    • @TheGameBoyGeeks
      @TheGameBoyGeeks Рік тому +2

      I specifically compared it to Downforce and other racing games in my review that you might want to watch.

    • @torelaursen4139
      @torelaursen4139 Рік тому

      Heat is superior to downforce in every way.
      I am wondering if downforce would be a better game than it is without the blocking rule. Unlike the game boy geek i find downforce very repetitive. It is always the first car to block the corners that wins.
      Heat is a much more open game.

    • @ozza000
      @ozza000 Рік тому +2

      @@torelaursen4139 Without the blocking rule Downforce is barely even a game. Also it's not true that the first car to block the corners wins, that's like the theory of the leader at the betting lines always wins. It's only true if the others don't do anything to stop them/help them win. After a while players will realise that you should be ganging up on the people in that position, otherwise you are just gifting victory to them.
      Also note the expansion maps are even harder to do this as the blocking corners aren't right at the beginning, and there's less of them.

    • @TimYoung1984
      @TimYoung1984 Рік тому

      @@TheGameBoyGeeks thank you for your reply and recommendation. I watched your review last night, and it was quite helpful.

  • @pmduguay
    @pmduguay Рік тому

    Super fuuuun!

    • @pmduguay
      @pmduguay Рік тому

      I get what they are saying, but they kind of overstated the "complexity" from your first lap. I agree the iconography could be better, but it's totally minimal. This game is easy and super good.

    • @pmduguay
      @pmduguay Рік тому

      Unfortunately, it's just barely not better enough to replace Rallyman GT in my collection. Barely!

  • @Slyfox1775
    @Slyfox1775 Рік тому +2

    This review has Tom all over it . Wish he was in on this one .

    • @Julebstube
      @Julebstube Рік тому +1

      Well, Tom got Monster soup instead!

    • @Julebstube
      @Julebstube Рік тому

      And now Helsinki too, all from the same designers

  • @nielsjensen6897
    @nielsjensen6897 Рік тому +1

    This is the best racing game out there. Period.
    Do a test lap first and race for pole position.
    With the modules it is amaaazing!

    • @Dave286i
      @Dave286i Рік тому

      do u know quest for eldorado? more fun, propper deckbuilder

    • @nielsjensen6897
      @nielsjensen6897 Рік тому

      @@Dave286i I know Quest For Eldorado. It’s fun having different cards unlock as you go. But it suffers the same thing that most deckbuilders suffer from; “Hey, I got this thing. Can I use it? No. When can I use it? Eventually”. Like you have ordered the card off Amazon and don’t know when you’re going to get it.
      I love that Heat doesn’t have deckbuilding in it. For me it’s much more about timing.

  • @thomashougaard724
    @thomashougaard724 Рік тому

    Thanks a lot for the review guys/girls, really good stuff. I am not a big fan of racing games but this one is an exception, its a bit tricky to learn but the gameplay keeps being interesting several races in which is rare!

  • @Listan1
    @Listan1 Рік тому

    Mike and Chris staring at the camera when Zee was talking at the outset with slight nodding…do they get coached on that. :)

  • @DeltaDemon1
    @DeltaDemon1 Рік тому

    Obviously? I thought it was a game about the movie Heat.