WoT || How Marks of Excellence are Calculated (And a bit on how to get them)
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- If you're here because my videos are entertaining at times, you're in the wrong spot! This a pretty boring one; pretty much the most simple way to explain MOE I could think of. Hope it helps!
Links and stuff:
WoT official mod listing, mentioned in video:
wgmods.net/
Solo's Modpack, mentioned in video:
soloviyko.com/
Aslain's Modpack, mentioned in video:
aslain.com/ind...
(Sorry to those who use QB's modpack. It's also not too bad :)
UA-cam Tutorials, mentioned in video:
You're already there. You're welcome.
Twitch (Will return to streaming soon):
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I dont understand, if the last 100 battles are caculated that means your makr of excellance CANNOT decrease if you havent played 100 battles in a tank, yet mine went down a bit when i had a bad game, but a bad game is still better than being caculated at 0 ???
Sorry, I actually explained that part poorly. Here’s a better way of exemplifying it:
It takes your total number of damage and assistance in your last 100 battles and divides it by 100 to find your “global moving average.” This score is compared to others to determine your mark percent.
If you’ve only played 50 games with 500 damage / assistance each game, you’d have 500 * 50 = 25,000 / 100 = 250 damage average. Therefore, doing 0 damage in a game will still drop that average down, as it’s less than your previous 250 average.
Hopefully that makes sense. I realized far after uploading that I should’ve included this kind of equation example
@@Indoorwinner I have a question! The game say in last 14 days.. But... There is a day in 14 days for start this 14days? Can you understand my question?
@@Demolidor4ever Yo! I think I understand the question but I could be wrong, so correct me if so.
The 14 days is constantly changing. It is simply the most recent 14 days, two weeks past today, always for everyone. So as time goes on it will continuously change. Does that answer your question?
@@Indoorwinner I think your answer complements it even more. but for example, every 30 days I receive my salary, 30 in 30, in this case we talk about resetting one day a month for example, now let's imagine that the reset starts on the 1st of every month, it starts on the 1st of the day 14, and the 14th to the 28th again, the point is that there is no right day at the end of the month, so maybe I can never start every on the 1st but earlier for example the 28th and a new reset on the 10th of the month next, do you understand? my big question is about these reset days to start fresh to have some advantage maybe because maybe there is some advantage in doing 500 for example insted 100 battles in 14 days for example? Insted 100?
@@Demolidor4ever Yeah but there is no reset day. You can technically make your own “personal” reset day by simply not playing for 14 days and thereby taking your own stats out of the overall comparison, but your games would still count for your personal mark.
The games of everyone else in that vehicle don’t reset on any particular day, so trying to mark a vehicle just after a “reset” is impossible.
Just found this channel. Man you deserve more, you can see the level of detail and effort behind the videos, plus you have a lot on helping others. A well earned sub and I hope to see more likewise content. I’ve been going for marks recently and I had no idea about the assistance feature, thanks for that! I have three 3 marks I’m very proud of and a couple of 2s and 1s, this was very informative so thank you. Now I have motivation to grind marks tomorrow lol. I’m on console so there may be differences but either way I’m loving the content I’ve seen so far!
I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Congrats on the marks! Definitely a difficult accomplishment
You're good at this. I'm subbed. Keep them coming and there are never enough tank review videos!
Dude's the best WoT youtuber and only has 560 subs
One tiny piece of advice that worked for me: Focus on low scores instead of high scores. That means, don't try to drive an ace tanker in every game, instead try to avoid low scores. Consistency is the most important thing to look out for.
I'm sorry if you are named Dave
"Daves not home" in my best Chong voice
We are Legion!
Hello Dave
i had been playing for 12+ months and still didnt know what the hell marking a tank meant. probably should have youtubed it a year ago - cheers mate
Great video, much appreciated. Ive used the information to alter my equipment and consumables loadout on several classes to maximise the assist damage when marking tanks.
I really appreciate these technical in depth videos on a subject especially with practical examples. I know how long these take to make..
A few video ideas:
How to play a support heavy, or just a crap heavy in general.
Good map positions for each type of tank not just the "best" spots including tanks of different play styles (hull down vs side scrapper ect).
Medium tank tips, I really struggle with the decision making in them and often go the wrong way or not know when to be aggressive
I'm a visual person so being told about it as other guides or comments will do is great, but not a pattern i can recognize in game.
You and Taugrim IMO have the best guides I've found.
“Less popular in random battles it is, the easier it will be to mark.” Cries in Manticore☹️
Ouch, touché.
With that in mind… 279e
@@Indoorwinner It's not the only example. It's not unversally true, but popular tanks are generally driven by a lot of bad players, while unopular tanks, even if objectively bad, are only driven by hard core fans of this tank, and they tend to be good in it.
hands him some M&Ms - "Sorry I called you Dave"...hands another bag - "Sorry your name is really Dave"
Well articulated, Indoorwinner. Keep them coming...
Almost to my first mark in the KV-2! (59 percent)
After almost 300 battles
Haha congrats! That’s a pretty popular one so definitely a pain to mark. Best of luck!
@@Indoorwinner As long as I can one shot ARL44s and KV-1s I'm good!
@@Indoorwinner My percentage is now 62 percent after 3 games over 2k damage and a first class...and I'm not trying to mark this thing!
@@Indoorwinner I got my first mark on KV2
i think i have 2 marks on my kv2, keep up the good work, i know how tough it is!
You weren't lying about the Germans. Aced and marked my first: Tiger Porsche, it was fun and painful at same time😔
underrated
love ur style man, verygood vid thanks i have 3 marks on a lot of tanks but still dont know how it works xDD thanks a lot !!!4! :D
I just got my 1st MoE.... on a G.W. Panther. I know.... shaddup.
Randomly found your channel from a QuickyBaby video, I really like the way you make videos. Good one fella!
That’s awesome! Really cool to see UA-cam algorithms are recommending me from QB!
@@Indoorwinner Well I reckon quality content deserves the publicity.
You are The Legend! Im glad i found your channel!
If you want an easy 3 mark, go for the st. Emil or vk45.02 A or B. They aren't good thanks but can do alright if you know how to play them
The real question is how to stop getting marks of excellence. I can't stop getting them without even trying. After a long time of being showered in medals, your head starts to hurt.
Poor fella ;_;
Wow.......just gotta say.......Otter guy?
Thought I knew a thing or two about MoE after 3marking a couple tanks, but I had no idea spotting damage and tracking damage competed with eachother.
Marking Tanks is something i plan to work on as well as overall Improvement and getting better at the game, once i have researched all the Tech Trees as i am not that far off from having them all now :)
Thanks
Great video TANKS FOR ALL YOU DO
thank you so much :)
Really good video. I didn't know about the tracking vs spotting assist or the kills not counting at all. I was .02% away from my second MOE on the Bourasque a couple of days ago, decided to do a second game after a big win to finish it off...then got tier X with a terrible team and died horribly with only one pen shot...then immediately began 3 days of god awful teams with today's win rate being 37% in 20 games! Even dropping to tier 5 and doing 7 kills and half the team's damage couldn't win. Can you do a video on why WG hates me! lol
Great video buddy! Any advice for the e50m I’m at 85% but I’m stucked 😢
Hmm, I can’t call myself an E50M expert. Usually for the 85% area, though, you really have to start banking on your assist. Make sure you’re going for tracking shots whenever you can, as well as playing as you normally do for your own damage.
Best of luck!
Thanks!
first mark on kv2 in 66 battles:))
1:14 ooof
would be nice if marks gave you incentives.......like a crew perk or something
I think the incentive is a visual way to show off your expertise in that vehicle. That's enough for me at least.
Just a thought....
Really do hope that you put calls in. I am most interested in that. I have been a caller for a while and it seems like trying to herd cats sometimes.... How to you get battle comms to work?
Definitely going to be working on that! Most likely will divide up between 6, 8, and 10 (I may do one video for overall, but it depends on how long the first one ends up coming out). Will cover comms, clan organization, calling methods, etc as well as the strategies themselves. If you want something in particular covered, let me know and I’ll do my best! :)
Optics are legit overpowered when it comes to marking tanks with low alpha. It might take you 13 seconds to do 500 damage, but if you spot for a TD you can get 500 damage in 1 second.
Good video for that mid tier player, exactly what I'm here for.
Few thousand battles but wasn't really sure (nor did I care) how marks worked. Still in that "could I Ace this tank" phase! lol
Do you have any advice on T8 premiums? I caved after two years and gave WG $40 for 25 crates, got totally screwed with just the T5 and T6 premiums - no 8.
I have 9250 gold tho, and today I'm intrigued by the centurion for 6500 gold.... idk i'm used to russian medium 'hide everything but turret' style so it could be fine.
However, most of the recommended 'good' T8 premiums aren't actually for sale... I may cave and buy more crates to try and get the bourrasque, but otherwise here's a list I found (most stuff from actually this YEAR is sadly hard to find on this topic):
Lights:
M41B Brazilian Bulldog
LT-432
Höllenhund leKpz M 41 90 mm
Mediums:
STA-2 Black Edition
Motherland
M46 Patton KR
FV4202 (P)
Centennial T95
AMX Chasseur de chars
Heavies:
Scourge Kirovets-1
Object 252U Defender
King Tiger
HMH Chrysler K
HMH AMX M4 mle. 49
FCM 50 t
TD:
Rheinmetall Skorpion G
Hey! Glad you liked the video!
So to answer your question... well it’s difficult. I fully recommend getting at least 1 tier 8 prem, so you have the right idea (though don’t sell the “screwed over” lower tier prems you got! All prems are useful!)
The big thing is that the tier 8 prem I can recommend is going to be different for you as an individual player. It’s a good idea to go for a tank that you are planning on playing the non-premium version line of (e.g. Defender for Russian Obj 277 crew trainer) because you want to use the premium to train your crew for your vehicle as well as grind credits. If you want to go off something from the advent calendar, that’s even more complicated as I can’t remember what’s still left to go on sale... but you can always buy from the tech tree directly. Here’s a couple prems I consider “worth,” (especially if you are getting your first one)
- Defender
- LT 432
- EBR FL 10
- Progetto
- Bourrasque (you mentioned)
- Lorr 40 t (already been in advent calendar this year)
- Patriot
- M6A2E1
- 112
- ELC even 90
- Cent 5/1 (tech tree tanks are fairly weak, though)
- Lansen C
- 50 TP pr
- Skorpion
- T54 prot
- Renegade
- Emil 1951
- SU 130 PM
- The more recent the release of the prem, it’s usually a good one. Power creep without a doubt exists in this game.
Out of the ones you listed, Defender, Skorpion, FV4202, M 41 90, and STA-2 (arguably) are the ones I recommend. Though all tier 8 prems are “good,” they definitely aren’t equal.
Without a doubt, I recommend staying FAR away from the AMX CDC. It’s the only one you listed that you will actively regret getting with every fiber of your being (not an overstatement ;)
I’m sorry I can’t be of more help. Typing in all the tanks in order of recommendation is a video on its own. I do wholeheartedly recommend a prem though, just make sure to get one that matches a line you need a crew trainer for. After you figure out the class and nation you want, it’s a simple matter of finding the prem you enjoy the look of the most.
Tanks.gg is a website that allows you to compare the stats of tanks easily, so if you’re really torn between a couple try using that system. Let me know if you have any other questions; hope that helped!
In the line you like playing and in the tank style you like playing...one premium to build crew is very nice.
Question??? You said to wait 2 weeks so the damage resets. When do the 2 weeks begin?
They don’t. The term “rolling average” means that the total average is constantly calculated against the past two weeks. That means that if you played today, Wednesday, you’d be compared against games in that tank up to the Wednesday two weeks ago. If you played tomorrow, then the Wednesday two weeks ago would no longer count, but everything from the Thursday two weeks ago-onwards would.
Waiting two weeks simply allows for your scores to be compared against DIFFERENT scores. Not necessarily easier scores, but it may be!
But how do I add the Decal to the vehicle, on my EBR it says I have 80% but I cannot find the way to put the Rings onto the gun
Marks of excellence are automatically applied when earned. 80% would mean that you met the first mark requirement of 65%. Therefore, you should have 1 mark.
If you don’t see the 1 mark, double check that you’re looking in the correct place for the mark percentage.
@@Indoorwinner I just saw another video and it said I must turn the option on in settings, so I’ve fixed it now
@@HampusNocco That’s interesting! I know about the “Non-Historical elements” option in settings but not a separate one for marks of excellence.
Glad it’s working for you!
@@Indoorwinner 👍🏼 at the bottom of the first page in the settings, I thinks it called like allow marks of excellence, or, show mark of excellence. Something like that
do a video about which lines to grind from begining. (Include heavy tanks)
Just to clarify, are you interested in which lines you should be focusing on or which ones you should grind from tier 1, as opposed to skipping with free xp?
Or do you mean which lines to play as a new player?
I want to make sure I don’t misunderstand
I grinded my MoE to 93.4% and logged out for 6 hours to sleep. I logged back in and my MoE went down to 79%
I then uninstalled!
I have been obsessing over getting my first mark on a Obj 257. I was 63.4% and sucked the next game..I keep getting close. I have a 55% winrate but it is driving me nuts. I have one mark on my T34-85m, Panther M10, Super Hellcat... I also think marks should be more visible and I see a 3 mark tank I'm following them.
Make a vide on topic how to damage your opponent...as a beginner i always find my cells not penetrating my opponents but my opponents hit me almost every shoot.
As i beginner these situation really sucks a lot.
That’s a good one, I’ll add it to my list but it may take a while. Until then, I recommend checking out tanks.gg if you haven’t already. Allows you to see the exact weak spots of different tanks. Best of luck!
@@Indoorwinner thank you for your support.
i use wot garage for checking moe values and it says a certain amount of shots calculated by damage. does that include spotting?
Usually MOE calculators combine both dealt and assisted, yep!
You CAN play fewer than 100 battles and still get MOE if you are outstanding.
HOW DO I KICK A TEAM MEMBER FROM A CONFIRMED TOUNAMENT TEAM??
If you go to the tournament team list you should be able to kick them. Just make sure you’re logged in and are the creator of the tournament team.
EDIT: if you’re already confirmed, you’ll need to submit a ticket. Those take 24 hours minimum. If you don’t have that much time, you’re screwed :)
Does Stun dmg (when playing arty) not count? I find it hard to do 3k+ dmg combined for 100 games in the tier X arties
Artillery stun damage does indeed count.
Damage done to an enemy while they are stunned does count for you as assistance damage. Which type of assistance you may ask? I don’t actually know…. Sorry.
@@Indoorwinner Thanks for the answer so far. Maybe an interesting mechanic to test? But not that important, i dont think i will get much spotting done in an arty ^^
I don't understand sometimes even the same day when I play my AMX 13 F3 I need to deal minimum 1300 dmg to not loose % I did multiple times more than 1400 dmg and lost% it's fricking impossible and I'm more than good on it i'm currently 16th in the pantheon and first in average dmg per game so yeah they don't want to give it to me or what ???
If you use a MOE tracker mod it’ll be easier for you to see how much you need to do. Remember that it’s combined damage, not just damage, so that may also be impacting you.
@@Indoorwinner I don't often do combined dmg because I use HE, not stun HE
ASLAINS MOD PACK IS SAFE
Any advice on marking the 277?
I have been trying real hard to get it marked before CWs starts again, but I just really suck with it in random battles.
Currently averaging a bit above 2.5k DMG and 1k assisted, you which is really far from the like 5k you need to mark it.
I genuinely don't know what I'm doing wrong, I just can't make it work and it is really frustrating me...
Honestly it’s hard to give advice on a particular tank just through text. The 277 is quite good, but doesn’t have a specific role. Meaning, in order to Mark it, you have to be doing EVERYTHING correctly (unlike, for example, the Kranvagn where I could just say “find a ridge and laugh” and call it a day).
For the 277, I fully recommend checking out high-level gameplay in the tanks (Lacho’s Wot Replays has high-scoring videos for every single vehicle).
My advice through text: Play smart-aggressively. Meaning, take aggressive locations that allow you to either constantly dish out damage or spot (usually through proximity) for your team.
For example, on El Halluf from the North spawn, go to the top North West corner and play from there, as you are fast enough to get there and have a big enough gun to dish out damage.
Best of luck!
@@Indoorwinner appreciate the advice, I'll have a look at some replays and take some notes from there.
Is the northwest corner really that good of an idea? I have attempt to play there a few times, but always found it to be very committing, and really leaves no escape if everything starts falling apart.
@@jensaugust743 It’s situational. If you’re top tier (against 8s) I fully recommend it, nothing can really contest you.
Problem is, I see a lot of people playing that corner that only look down the 1 line. Check the other side of the cliff you’re hugging as well, you’ll get shots on anything playing the typical medium ridge.
If you play it correctly, it works quite well
Hey man, so is the calcualtion any different in great battles?
I assume you mean grand battles? If that’s the case, grand battles count for neither service record stats OR marks of excellence! So... yes.
I penned an AMX CDC with my KV-2 not knowing what the heck that tank even is.
How did you know that the strv m/42 is my favorite tank? Name is not Dave though
Interesting, how come when I went from playing 72 battles to 73 battles, my moe went down when I got some damage but didn't do well?
Pretty simple, so I’ll explain it in two ways.
English: Your average went down. Your average at 72 games was x damage, but at 73 it went down from x damage. To explain in mathematically....
Say you average 2000 a game over 72 games. It’s not calculating on 72. It’s calculating on 100. So
2,000 dmg * 72 games = 144,000 total damage.
This is divided by 100, not 72. You get 1,440 average instead of 2,000 for your mark.
Now let’s say in your 73rd game you did 1,000 damage. This is lower than your 1,440 average, so your percentage drops.
Hope this helped a bit, I’m a history and not a math teacher ;)
@@Indoorwinner but I thought since it’s moving average for past 100 battles and so for 72 games the rest of the 28 games were defaulted to 0 so technically any damage in the 73rd game should increase my moe?
Bc if you only play one game and get an ace, then by your calculation you’d have 3 moe instantly since it’s divided by 1 and not 100
@@michaelcheng4985 That may have been my bad in the video, looking back. I’d go off what I just typed in my message rather than the defaulting to 0 (I probably meant the default to 0 or not existing to refer to the first couple games when you pas 100 battles, oops)
Your second point:
1 game with 10,000 damage. Best game ever. Takes 2,000 to mark the tank.
1 battle * 10,000 dmg = 10,000 dmg.
10,000 dmg / 100 battles total = 100 average damage.
100 is not 2,000 needed, no mark.
@@Indoorwinner hmm there’s something weird going on bc if you play 1 game and get and ace then the moving average would be 99% of MoE which definitely cannot be true since I have done that before
Only thing i get alot in wot is crying tank aces being toxic.
Still sounds like stereo instructions .... thanks for explaining this nonsense!👍
been trying to 3mark the AT15a for about 2years now, been at 2marks for months and i can never get above 90% lol
That is some serious dedication, friend.
Best of luck to you!
@@Indoorwinner it's so frustrating cos I'll have loads of great games which increase the % by a tiny amount, then one mediocre game which will drop like 2%😂 love the tank tho so oh well
Dang so if you have a proper 4k game but you replace a 100 battles ago, 5k game you will still go down :/
So they are only used to impress other players
I managed to get my first and only mark on the SU-101. Tank is so trash that an average good game can surpass 95% of players
Je suis Dave.
I've been trying to 3 mark my VK 30.02M for months LOL Its a popular Tier 6 German med tank tho so its been hard. I've been hovering around 90 to 93% with it for a long time.
I use Aslain's mod pack too.. but I do not use XVM at all. I believe its cancer to the game. So much toxic behavior arises from it. Before I reached a WN8 that was halfway respectful all I heard in chat (and DMs) was how bad I sucked. I turned off chat and only took DMs from Friends. Then I got better and turned it all back on. Sadly it was still all very toxic. Much a problem on NA server for sure.
Yeah XVM creates a lot of problems, unfortunately. I assure you, I also get plenty of hate message for playing horribly, so don’t ever take it personally! Good luck on your marks!
I've switched team chat off and only accept messages from friends, so many aholes in this game
Im impressed at your ability to not sell tanks 😦
Years of failure ;)
I dont like Solo's or Aslains; too slow to update and bad performance in game. I prefer a custom XVM and Gun Marks by Lebwa
Why does WG have such a disdain for German tanks?
Historical accuracy takes away the balance form the game, so they compensated.
... and then kept compensating. A lot.
@@Indoorwinner Soooo they know German tanks were vastly superior and as Russian gaming company they went full bias mode. Thats my opinion of course. I can't stand the Russian tech tree, and I play on Console, the firepower lacks rediculously.
Complete bullshit, that tanks what you not see in the battles have lower requiments. Its completly diverted. More popular tanks are easier to mark.