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Thought I performed well for Dallas FD's exam (they are a dept that trains fully as long as you have a bachelors) but the mechanical comprehension part must have made me not pass. Everything else was pretty basic, any tips for the gear diagrams part?
@@ScottyKnows94when can I study for the mechanical portion ?
I have been in the fire service 35 years and I remember my first ever instructor.
He walked into the class room, stood in front of the class for 2 minutes….He introduced himself and said….” If you want to pass the written exam, read the book, if you want a long and productive career in the fire service meet me at the burn building with all your gear in 10 minutes” he walked out.
He never yelled at us once his entire time as an instructor. We did no PT, he put us in fire gear day one and had us do fire ground evolutions all day for 7 hours, that was our workout.
The second week he introduced us to the same evolutions in fake smoke, the third week he introduced real smoke, the fourth week he introduced high heat and heavy smoke conditions…etc
He trained us to be Firefighters, not marines, once the high heat, fire, and heavy smoke conditions were introduced we were already in fire fighting shape and were able to handle it, moving lines, searching, forcible entry, communicating, working as teams, all of it was second nature by the 5th and 6th weeks.
It’s the same model I have used for years to train my probies, it works!
I will be forever grateful to that instructor!
Stockton CA also has great videos on their training and orientation for their recruits.
Hi Smoke Stack. If you're up to it, would you mind contacting me about that? I'm writing a book about firefighting. Thanking you, Peter
sounds like a proper instructor
Hi, my names chase and I’m currently going to college at kennesaw state. I was wondering if I could have your contact info and talk to you about being a fire fighter if that is your career choice. I do not know what I want to do as a career and my time is running out .
Thanks, chase
@@MaboPete ….How do I get a hold of you?
Once hired,Fire Fighters need to learn the dynamics and tactics of fire fighting.. This marine corp nonsense does nothing for them...The academy is just that to teach fire fighting, not set them up to fail...It is NOT an initiation it is a learning academy. Too many departments these days confuse the two....Belittlement and constant harassment breeds self doubt not confidence...Retired fire fighters (myself) will prove that all day long..
In my academy right now… got a guy who is 41, it’s never too late!
Just finished Fire 1&2 and Hazmat and am in EMT with a quality dude who is 57. I’m 36. Never too old.
I thought there was an actual cut off age or does it vary on city?
41? That’s not old at all. You must be 18 or something
I was 43. In a group of 20 year olds. It was tough and difficult at times but they kept up with me.😀
100 percent agree with this. I was 32 when I did my academy. Wasn't easy then to fight fires, getting worse every year with all the drugs and illegal apartment fires we've been having. Later on, my best man who was a vollie for 13 years made his career academy at 47.. hes now 59 and it be sad to see him go at our mandatory 60. He still loves the job and has the heart of a Lion.
2 months left in my academy. I'm 32 in a class with mostly 18-24 year olds. I started bottom physically and now I'm close to top 10. Growth mindset and never willing to give up has taken me a long ways.
I'm 33 and want to join the Philly FD. I'm unhappy in my corporate career. I want to help others. Awesome to hear that you did it too.
Well, her is my two cents: A few tips and philosophy acquired working in the fire service for 34 years.
Being a firefighter is a way of life. You always think safety and what might go wrong. You always prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Keep your skills up, don’t allow them to parish just because you haven’t needed them for awhile. Always try to perfect your craft.
Always strive to learn mor about fire behavior and firefighting strategies. Practice your knots while watching TV. Don’t just know how to tie a knot, know how to use it and when to use it. Always keep your SCBA on during overhaul if you go home with black boogers then you screwed up. If your the drive, learn to drive with your coat on - because you may not have time to put it on upon arrival. As a driver you should be able to have your SCBA on for show time in a minute or less. 42 second after setting the brake for me.
Take your health seriously, your going to need it after you retire. Eat real food. Keep hydrated, exercise on average no less than 20 minutes per day. Take showers after a fire, keep your PPEs clean and in good order. Consider a cold shower after a warm shower. Avoid all the sweets that end up in the kitchen. Learn breath control like box breathing and skip breathing. Focus on your brain, heart, liver and colon health. You have got to get sleep when you can. Sleep is when your body clears away the toxic waste that builds up around your mitochondria. Keep your boots shinny. Keep your finger nails clean. Wear safety glasses and gloves on medical calls. Lift with your legs not your back.
The idea is to still be healthy when you retire. The fire service takes its toll on the brain, heart, live, colon and prostate and breasts. Show up to work 15 minutes early. Have some coffee and get your pass over. Always, check the portable batteries. Lives are in the balance and a high battery level is important. The engine has bodily fluids that must be checked to insure a positive outcome. Don’t rely on the other shift! Keep your engine and tools pristine.
Keep your strength up, your team relies on you.
Avoid heated discussions about parenting, religion and politics with team members.
Well, hopefully there is some value with my post.
Well, there it is in a nut shell😂😂😂 Many things I had to learn the hard way.
Thank you! I finished my academy yesterday. perspectives like yours helps me understand what to focus on going forward.
Just passed FF1 at the Suffolk County Fire Academy at the tender young age of…53. Oldest in my class. It was absolutely one of the hardest things I’ve ever done mentally and physically - I’m in great shape but it pushed me to the edge. And, it gave me an even deeper respect for all first responders. I’m motivated, dedicated, and most of all grateful to the instructors who were tough but also wanted us to succeed and be able to serve. Thanks for the great videos!
Nice what fire department are you with I’m in Coram FD
great job. I almost became a Firefighter back then it took a very long time. I made it onto the list but ended up moving (reasons are a long story) But I wish I would of stayed with it. Our local FD has a volunteer academy.
I was 51 when I went in, turned 52 during. I was also the oldest in my class by quite a bit. I do train and am in good shape. But yes, it was tough at some points.
I started as a volunteer which was totally an accident when I was 55 and went through the academy and began working here at this municipal department part time. I left for another full-time job then got hired full time at my original department six month later. I’m 58. We are busy and do everything from fires, medicals and ocean rescue. Best job ever. I spent my former career as a tv news reporter lol😅
Congratulations man! Good work - I did my academy at 40 and it was rough - way to go!
I have a guy in my academy thats 56 years old. And he is absolutely smashing the physical part. It's never too late to chase your dreams
Thank you I am trying to join right now at 42
@@beauabumgarner38 - cpat orientation in two weeks. I have a lot of work to do
I'm 46... Going in!
The Fire academy i attended was rough. We got yelled at and our asses handed to us every day. It had a reputation of being the most difficult in central Florida. When I was done, I noticed a huge respect for those that came through my school. Guys would come from all over the station to shake my hand!!!!
im in central florida going through academy right now, where did you attend? congrats on making it through by the way
@@chase7099 Sorry for the late reply. Seminole Community College. It is now Seminole state college.
Why is the fire academy so militarized? There’s absolutely no purpose for that. It’s a civilian job. Most calls are for medical reasons anyway. Those that run the academy must be full of themselves
@@cyclingtexas1670 fire academies are a paramilitary organization. they're designed to weed out candidates who are unfit these are the people responsible for saving lives and protecting property 24 hours a day. its public safety and can be equated to LEO and how law enforcement academy is ran, since ff/leo work side by side. it is most certainly not a civilian job but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
@@cyclingtexas1670
It is a civil servant job, not a civillian job, and primarily medical calls, true. Thats even more reason to have tough training because we arent exposed to as much fire now days. But guess what, theyre burning just as hot but 10x faster, more toxic gases, conditions deteriorate rapidly, and if youre not ready 100% all the time and you get a nasty fire, you can get yourself killed, or others killed.
I'm 42 and been in for 20 years. We have physical testing every year and they lower the standards as you get older. I tell my guys that I should be held to the same standards they are. We are all doing the same job. When you can't keep up with these young guys, it's time to move on cause they deserve to have someone that is able to pull them out if they ever go down.
What are the young guy standards
Have my first shift with my local fire department on Friday. Thank you for all the helpful videos. I do not think I would have done nearly as well as I did on the panel interview without your help.
Congrats, Dude!
Congratulations, my dude! Have fun and stay safe out in the field brotha
Hope it’s going well man. I’m about 5 months in at my dept.
Same! I start tomorrow at Dekalb Fire Department In Georgia! Could not have passed my interviews without you!!
I start academy for fulltime company work at the end of March. I'm 33. Failed my CPAT the first time, passed it the second time. Your content was been so inspirational on my long journey into the fire service from training for the CPAT to the Chief's interview. Thank you, Mike.
That's awesome man! Congratulations! and I'm glad you put in the time, effort and work when so many others would have quit. Congrats!
Congrats man I’m 35 in mines. Never too late
@@mike_pertz It's an honor to be here... I had to really want it. And I do. Thank you, Mike!
@@ronthemogul Way to go man! Absolutely. It's not the age of the dog in the fight, it's the age of the fight in the dog.
Hi how are you doing today
I have my first interview on March 8th, thanks for all your advice and knowledge. I’d say you’re meeting your goal to give back to the fire service.
Thanks man! Good luck, keep me posted on how it goes!
You can do it brother! God Bless🙏🏼❤️
Hi how are you doing today
Hi how are you doing hope you’re good
@@mike_pertz made it through round 1. Second interview on March 15th.
I got in the "academy" at age of 33. Before you got accepted and sent to school we had to pass physical test:
1.5 mile run under 11:00
min 5 pull ups without pause
min 25 squats with 30 kg load under 1 minute
min 30 sit ups under 1 minute
min 30 push ups under 1 minute
swimming 150 m under 3:45
Elbows above water for at least 1 minute
Minor tasks with tools (sawing, drilling etc.) to see your practical skills
After you pass this you need to go through few psychological tests and then you are sent to academy for 6 months (more than 900 hours of training, theory + practice drills)
When you are accepted you still have physical test every year for the rest of your career.
Greetings from Slovenia
The same people saying this are the same people that say they’d “punch their drill instructor in the face if they yelled at them”. Nobody thinks you’re cool when you say that.
To me, this recruit-style of learning is done for a few reasons. Good order and discipline, ability to follow orders, and being able to perform under stress among others.
Speaking as a war veteran, fire fighters better physically train like we do. That instills the discipline, camaraderie, and physicality required. But, there is, in my opinion, where the similarities should end.
The only thing I think the entirety of the emergency field needs to seriously stop doing, is treating their jobs like they're fighting a war. You're saving lives, not destroying an enemy. They are two different mindsets and this country has a bad habit of seeing every struggle like it's a war and they're soldiers in the trenches. It's not. You aren't. Just as we aren't fire fighters, emts, police officers, or any other of the multitudes of roles.
We have a 38 year old in my academy. Its about heart.
I like how you said that. Should train like you're going to war, but with a mindset you're saving lives. There is still an urgency that needs to be met.
In fire, the fire however is the enemy. In emergency medicine, the enemy is time. So there is an enemy, but it's different.
Either way though the mindset should be as you said should be to save lives. Or I think as the Coast Guard Resuce Swimmers say "So Other May Live."
When I went through academy as a CO I understood the instructors yelling at us. We were signing up to work around Maximum security inmates. If you can’t handle an instructor yelling at you, this isn’t for you.
Firefighting makes no sense.
I will say. I think my military service, and receiving that type of conditioning in boot camp prepared me to not get stressed out. Took away any thin skin.
Burn building and other firefighting exercises builds fitness, discipline, stress tolerance, communication and team work. You don't need military training. Military training can teach bad habits, for a firefighter. See
@82dupont above, for a better and more detailed argument than mine.
I don't think many future firefighters really realize that a burning building is a dangerous environment. I think it is a very dangerous precedent that some departments are lowering standards to meet certain political quota's. But this isn't limited to various public services, but also in the business world. I get a lot of applicants that should never been allowed to graduate in IT. Universities have lowered that standards to such a degree, that local colleges provide better programmers and designers. Many of these students should apply for a refund!
I got in at 28, end my 6 month probation tomorrow! Appreciate your videos man!
That’s awesome! Congratulations Kail!
Hi how are you doing today p
Hey man not sure if you recall me commenting on your videos a while back about applying for the academy. Well today was graduation! It's been an awesome experience and I wanna thank you for all the helpful tips that got me hired.
Hi how are you doing today
Hi how are you doing hope you’re good
Congratulations man
Even though I was on a volunteer fire department, there were very rigorous tests we had to pass to show we could do the job. Most of the departments around us were paid staff, so we had to interact with them more often than not. Pride in our department helped us to be recognized by those paid guys as though we were one of them. And I credit that to our rigorous and military like training that prepared us to go above and beyond on every call.
Hi how are you doing today
Hi how are you doing hope you’re good
@@charlottemonroe7360 No longer a firefighter as I wound up with cancer and heart valve issues sorry to say. Before that I was in top shape into my mid 50s. I was in better shape than guys half my age.
We had physical fitness tests in the Army every 6 months. Or more if your 1st sergeant decided to. The Army had minimal standards, yet your unit could elevate them if they chose, and require extra PT to reach them. The minimal score was 180 with a max of 300 plus. I had a platoon sergeant that required lower elisted to get minimum of 240 and NCOs to score 270. Those that didn't reach that score had to come to supplemental PT he held 3 days a week, and it was very grueling I can attest by experience. Basically if you couldn't reach the 180 the Army could discharge you under general conditions for not meeting standards. We also had weight requirements tied to height as well, but those overweight also had fat analysis as the Army knew muscle weighed more than fat. So long as you were buff you were able to pass weight as long as fat content is low enough.
Love the fact you are a Nebraska
I remember the PT well. I am almost 70 now. I can still do the pushups, the situps, and the run, but would have a tough time with chinups and pullups. Of course the time limits would be hard to meet. I would have to practice hard. However, if you want to achieve the goals you can do it if you prepare and believe in yourself to motivate yourself and lead others in large groups. Although we do not have PT on the volunteer fire dept I am on I still practice, because I do not want to let anyone down. LTC Rick K and Lt. MFD
Fire Fighters, Law Enforcement and Military Basic Trainings all have the same common goal of seeing how recruits handle stressful situations, all of the yelling isn’t personal, because if you can’t handle or fall apart because your being yelled at because you didn’t tie your shoes quickly enough. Then you won’t be able to handle the real world stress of your jobs and as a result people could die.
And always being able to do more Than the PT tests requires is excellent advice.
In my Air Force Squadron if the PT test called for two and a half miles then we ran three miles in training, forty pushups, then we did fifty etc..
The best thing a trainee can do is get in shape, get a thick skin, and don’t be afraid to ask questions of the instructors.
As a marine, I’m glad firefighters are trained “like marines”. Prepares future firefighters for the dangerous ahead
Trained like this is the downfall of the fire service, He is not old school....
There’s absolutely no reason to train firefighters like Marines, totally different careers, that require a completely different mindset.
I feel training like a “marine” is good for discipline and structure. For recruits that are not familiar with following a chain of command and understand the need for discipline in a paramilitary organization, training “like a marine” is valuable. If a recruit cannot handle the stress of an instructor yelling at them, this is not the career for them. It’s when the “yelling” is truly abusive and wrong it’s unacceptable. If the recruit cannot handle the stress of an instructor yelling at them, how will they handle the stress of emergency call? I would want a person who truly wants to be a firefighter to take all that the instructors have to dish out and let it roll off. When the recruits are in the academy it is a time when those who can’t follow instructions and cannot meet the training requirements are washed out. If a “poor” recruit does “slip by” in the academy hopefully they will be washed out during their probation time. Does anyone want a person who is not “cutout” to be a firefighter on a department for 30 years?
@@cafryrmn2550 What you get are people like that drill Sargent, at the age of 37 years old joining the the Fire Department, back in the day that guy would of got his ass kicked talking that shit, No training in the world can help the age Firefighters, trained like drill masters like him,
@@Jimmythefish577 it may be different careers, but the purpose of this is, to instill discipline and the ability to function under high stress situations! That is were they are the same. Alot of Highway Patrol academies across the country are ran just like this.
That was fun to watch.
The fire academy needs to be difficult enough that the recruits have truly accomplished something to graduate and at the same time have the respect of the online guys and gals at having done so. Soft academies produce soft probationary firefighters.
These videos are good though as it gives potential hires an idea of what it takes to get through the fire academy. Something that has really changed is the ability to have a pretty good idea of what you are getting into before even applying. The internet has changed everything.
I'm 39, just about to start recruit training for a career department next month. Been paid on-call for almost 10 years now. Don't let your own perception of your age stop you, but make darn sure you're as prepared as you can be. I'm in as good a shape as I was in my 20's and my cardio is better than it's ever been, but I'm still s****ing bricks, and that's a good place to be, it means I'm still asking myself what more I can do and making sure I stay humble, there's a lot I need to learn. Can't wait to get started! Thanks for the help in getting here @FirefighterNOW
Congrats Dane! Good luck brother!
if you're the oldest in your class you better fking be the top at PT and top at classroom. no excuses.
Good stuff! I went through my academy at 40 with one other guy that was 41 - everyone else was young and there was a high attrition rate! It kicked my butt but I worked hard to be in good shape and got in on my fourth attempt! You have to be hungry for it and want it. It was definitely structured in a paramilitary style and was tough. I had been in the Marines when I was younger too so thought I would be ready - mentally I had been through similar stuff - but there is a Big difference physically from 40 to 19! Believe in yourself - train hard and stay hungry and you'll find it's one of the most rewarding things a person can do!
I had a similar experience. I got out of the Marine Corps at 29 and went through my academy at 37. It kicked my ass and was not as prepared as I thought I would be.
I attended LSU Feti in Louisiana and I noticed that a major part of the academy that weeded a lot of recruits out was when we were blacked out with zero visibility and put in training exercises like the maze, a few recruits actually quit the academy because they couldn’t handle it. Recruit academy is very physically demanding but also mentally demanding too, a strong mental mindset going in is a huge factor into successfully finishing the academy.
I went through FETI as well, and noticed the same thing
The mentality of showing up to be in basic whatever it is. You got to be real with yourself and think is this for me. Have I tested and waking up with a mentality that is serious and hard about going down into the before I make the move to be anywhere. You got to be honest with yourself everyday about it.
As a 28 year Member of a Louisiana FD, I can say there are all kinds of reasons why kids today "wash out". The reality is, unfortunately, that a lot are soft and or sheltered. It's the wussification of America. I weep for the future of Fire Service.
@@robertthomas8237The
generation whose families got all the handouts, which created the middle class is calling the current generation that got nothing, and will retire with nothing, due to 401Ks constantly crashing, and social security ready to sunset *"soft and wussified"* 🤣🤣. You boomers truly are delusional.
I am currently an active duty nurse in the Army, but on my 3 months of parental leave, I am attending my college’s local fire academy. I graduate next week with my FF1, FF2, Hazmat awareness and operations. I’m only 24 years old and am the oldest amongst my class. I understand the need to install discipline, but I don’t think that should be the main focus. I had one of our instructor say “You may not know what to do, but at least you’ll be strong from these pushups”. I thought that was a terrible mentality to have. Train soldiers, PD, FD, EMS through knowledge and teaching, not only to be a body.
I was 43 years old when I went to fire school (Alabama Fire College). I was with a bunch of 20 year old cadets. It was tough and difficult at times, but they did manage to keep up with
me....😎
I love your comment. I'm a 52 female & seriously thinking about it here in CA 5:59
Hey I know I’m really late I want to become a firefighter in the state of Alabama but I feel as if I’m lost can u share any tips and advice would be greatly appreciated
Mine is run by ex-marines from the 90s -2000's all are shredded.
My dad was on this department, Las Vegas Fire and Rescue. He retired recently, but the instructor Gregg Burns is a great guy.
Hi how are you doing hope you’re good
Some countries are realizing that the "screaming in the recruits face", "Full metal Jacket" type plan is actually not the most effective method, My FF recruit training was so different than any of this, our team structure is so good and we have a very effective stats record.
Yeah, the "back in my day" fire service is gone. And the old guys can't let it go.
I got accepted into the Chicago Fire Department Entrance Exams. I wanted to become a Fireman because I am a recently discharged Navy vet so I thought this would translate well. This seems like something Im already used to so I hope I get to this point and pass.
How’d it go for you ?
Damn how'd you even accept into it in the first place I'm tryna to be a firefighter and live in Chicago
I just hope they're prepared mentally and emotionally for what they'll face. I was a volly firefighter and saw A LOT of guys with 6 packs and muscle heads quit. I don't care if you can do 1000 push ups and run 100 miles. If you cant handle seeing suicides, murders, talk to victims of rapes, and child abuse, you wont last. For every fire you put out, you'll see 50 or more EMS calls with people going through the worst situations imaginable. I worked on a rural fire dept and when I started, I was not ready to see what I did, but growing up with a mom who was an EMT for 15 years, I knew I was made of the right stuff. Lasted 6 years til I had to quit bc I was also going to college and was going to a Statistics classes at 9am after going on a car accident calls and suicide attempts at 2 or 3 am. I wouldn't trade a second of it though.
I'm 39, turning 40 in 3 weeks. in 2 days I will have my 1st day as a recruit firefighter. (Beyond excited) I thought for sure i was too old to join. I have been going to a fitness center for 2 years about 4-5x/week doing various circuit classes. I can't stress enough the importance of staying physically active and how much it keeps doors open for you in terms of career.
Also wanted to thank you Mike Pertz as i watched all your videos regarding the interviews during my hiring process for guidance.
That’s awesome man, congratulations!
I totally agree with you sir and love this video, I just retired after 20 years of service and I remember always going the extra mile and trying to do more and when I got on shift after training I would arrive at the department at 6:30 am and we didn't have to be there til 7:45 am . If you are going to join then have respect for the job and the firefighters who have came before you and respect your self by learning and always going beyond. It's not a free T shirt!!!! Once a leather Head, always a Leather Head.
Just retired after 30 yrs, loved every moment. When I was instructing I was in charge of fitness. First day I would say to them is “ there is one thing about fire, it does not get tired or take a break, it just keeps going until we stop it. As such you need to be fit enough to do that, START RUNNING!!!.
You can rationalize it every way you want, but getting talked down at prepares you for one thing: getting talked down at. It's great for weeding out those who will vocally disagree with the municipality or the union. Not great for weeding out those outwardly tough guys who fall apart when they are alone in the hot dark with a death click ticking. Yelling at someone isn't the same as testing someone under stress no matter how pervasive that misconception is. Fire doesn't give a shit how well you handled being yelled at.
yep. agree 100%, as someone who has been through multiple styles of training military and elsewhere. People glorify this type disrespectful attitude and training based on humiliation, most of them have never experienced the real thing. Its entirely inappropiate
A tough academy also instills pride! Pride in yourself, in you class and in your department. I always relieved 2 hours early. 5 am was a slower part of the day and less likely to get interrupted when doing my checks and being relieved at 5am was awesome because you would hear that air pack turn on from bed and know now you were not going to get a late call and get held over or you could get up and go home early and not have to fight as much traffic.
My cardio health workout for many years would mimic the most stressful situations experienced while fighting a fire.... one example, dragging a fully loaded heavy container in full firefighting gear including air pack across my attic floor on a hot summer day. If your mind is concentrating on your failing body while inside a burning building your mind is not concentrating on the hazardous condition that is about to hurt or possibly kill you!
Fully agree that an academy should be like this. As a former army dude... I love academies like this.
However when I see this during advanced courses for experienced professionals. It annoys the heck out of me. At that point I'm there to learn, so if you're yelling at me, there better be a damn good reason why you're taking away from the learning aspect.
I went to a pressure academy. Our training staff are field captains released during the day. It was kind of a game. They did need to see who would break and then get them to cope and learn. Not all did but we only lost 3 out of a class of 40. After about 3 weeks the pressure changed to keeping us focused and hustling. It becomes routine.
A few guys from each class would inevitably be assigned to the stations those captains worked at and to a man those captains were men of great character. They were very welcoming, looked out for rookie mistakes and were great mentors.
Things changed of course over 40+ years, mostly standards got bent. The big change was that a one man ladder throw was no longer a requirement to graduate. Now a recruit has to meet the minimum score in the entire ladder evolution module.
Most people would think it isn't necessary but we ran a lot of 3 man engines in some pretty rural areas so you didn't have time to wait for help. We didn't have the 2 in 2 out rule so you really had to be on the ball. I will never believe that recruits shouldn't be trained under pressure. It doesn't compare to the real world where you have to get it right the first time. There are no resets and do overs.
I do think the training is more inclusive and that recruits are probably in better physical shape than we were. There just seems to be a little deep down can do attitude missing sometimes.
I am a Junior Firefighter and I do agree that there are times to be shouting and seeing how people react under pressure, but there also is a time to be learning. Stress and learning do not go well together. In my opinion one should be trained many times to a routine and then it gets faster and faster while getting more hectic. From my experience one can learn to maintain composer in a stressful situation, and learn information in a more brotherhood sisterhood joking situation. And once both skills are learned then you combine the stress with routine.
This video is freaking awesome. Absolutely we should be in spectacular shape. A department I’m interviewing for next week just released a 5 year plan and one of the items addressed is a yearly physical fitness exam with minimum requirements. It will be one of my talking points in my oral board interview this Tuesday. Lives depend on firefighters being in shape. You lose your right to be out of shape the day you decide this is the path. No other way! Thanks for all you do your videos have been a huge help. Fingers crossed for my oral board on Tuesday.
As someone in the military rn and striving to be a firefighter I love how some depts train like para military we need more people who have the discipline and who have the passion for the job
I'm 30 years old going through the pipeline now. Prior 11b in the Army. Not going to try to be deceptive, when I got back from my deployment I got really really bad off of opioids. Since 2016, Ive cleaned my life up, and still, even though I'm in great shape and performed at the top of my PT class with an 89 on my FCS exam. I've stated all of this with years of passed drug tests every month through my counselor, and, I'm praying for all of our people in the service to come home safe, and do their job to the best of their ability. I hope I get through. Because I've been working at this for years and years and years now... So, hopefully you guys will have another vet in the fire service that is disciplined and motivated even though discipline>motivation... I have both. Not asking for any prayers or anything like that but, if you could just send positive thoughts my way id appreciate it greatly! I stumbled across this channel, and I'll tell you this buddy, it's an awesome channel. Highly encouraging. Salute to all of our men and women in any type of public service and military. LETS GET IT GUYS AND GALS!!! THE WORLD NEEDS MORE LIKE US!! WILLING TO RUN INTO " The burning building per say' here's to hoping I make it through and get selected despite my past. Im a new person now and have been for a very long time. Highly trained in the Infantry, operational private security vector, and this, is where I feel like I can help the most people and I crave the bond that is created through shared suffering. LETS GET IT!!! YOUR HELPING MORE THAN YOU KNOW.!!
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Salute.
This is coming from me being on a low pay department were some individuals end up paying more in gas to get to the station than they get paid to make the call. I can tell you being on a volunteer department or low paid department and having leaders that are "not all there" will make you not want to be there or have trust in command. Having trust in leadership is a key to learning.
Your statements here stems from the knowledge that these guys know what they are doing and they can confidently say "I SEE YOU ARE LACKING SOMETHING, YOU BETTER LEARN QUICK" (and then they proceed to tell them what they did wrong)
I had faith that my mentors knew what to do, but didn't have faith that they would teach me proper ways of doing things or showing me what is being done wrong. Training is hard enough when you have individuals that are waiting to see you fail or that set you up for failure. Instead of seeing you struggle, stopping, and saying "hey, there is a better way". It sadly does happen. Shaming individuals is NOT good motivation, someone who is knowledgeable and teaches you in a teachable moment is.
I've had people tell me to be mad to motivate me, being angry doesn't make me a good firefighter and it doesn't help me make good decisions and it doesn't get the pike-pole through a solid piece of wood that is not structurally compromised. I've been left to basically freelance by myself on multiple occasions (no clear instructions from an officer to speak of, guess I'll look and see what needs done, pull hose, straighten lines, man a nozzle, stand in traffic waiting to see what the other end does), to make decisions without the aid of an officer even through they are readily available standing around or on the sidelines. No order, no collaborative effort to direct traffic, failure to follow their own rules of always 2 firefighters present. After seeing those that are the leaders in my area I've learned that they DON'T know everything (and they are considered the one of the better departments in our area), and what they do know they struggle to pass on to the next generation of firefighters. I've had to learn how to firefight through watching them and it has taken a LONG time and me realizing their commands will not motivate me, but my pursuit of continuing my education as a firefighter will, it will make me a better firefighter. Being on other departments that are struggling, just like me, but have willing individuals that see and know they are not up to par and want to learn to be better firefighters is a rewarding experience and that motivates me.
I have enough pride to do this job and to not let it overshadow what this job is and how important it is to do. It's important to do RIGHT (not just what someone thinks is right because they have an EGO), and in my rural area not many people try or can pass the exams or they don't need a "second job" they are just there to have fun with a fire (but they are on a second job, called being a FIREFIGHTER). THAT'S my motivation, to do what these other guys have not, be professional, know my job, train because I know I do not know enough. I don't need someone YELLing at me telling me "I am doing something wrong", it takes the same energy to YELL and tell me how to do something the right way.
@4:25, you said exactly what I said. I WILL not tolerate someone who yells at me and tells me to do something I KNOW is wrong or not right or not of sound judgement. I am an adult and I won't let anyone talk to me like that. It's hard to say that to the people that have been here more than 20+ years. Not when I KNOW they are wrong and I will not be shamed or feel shameful for saying so. Don't ever say don't bother joining, WE NEED PEOPLE, and now more than ever. We need people that WANT TO BE HERE.
I'm not against recruits or probationary firefighters getting SMOKED, I am against normalizing behaviors that are not effective when used by those that are not TRUST worthy.
Ha, I remember stepping foot into the academy on the first day. It's a real gut check among many more to come and the most fun you'll never want to have. EVERYONE including the Fire Chief has be through it. An experience you'll appreciate once it is over.
I felt the same way at boot camp. I got off that bus and was like “oh f**k, it’s happening”. 10 weeks later and I loved every second of it. It was fun, humbling, hectic, and strenuous - but we’ll worth it! Most fun I’ll never want to have again even though I truly do miss it!
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I completely agree with the annual physical fitness test. My captain and I was just discussing earlier about how we think we should all at the least should have to do CPAT once a year. But you do CPAT, it's good for a year unless you get hired somewhere within that year, then you never have to do it again. We have alot of guys that get hired and become complacent.
70% of all firefighters are volunteers, in many rural areas the % is much higher with average age of firefighters in the 60s. Currently the recruitment rate is not keeping up with the demand. This is a problem.
Just my 2 cents coming from someone about to start a career with my dream department, who hired 5 out of an applicant pool of 700:
The “do more” attitude that the cadet put forward is the truth and applies to more than just fitness. You have to love this job and want to learn.
Over my 5 years as a volunteer I did every course I could think of, became a lieutenant, spent tens of thousands of dollars and a couple thousand hours of my time easily.
Anything i was weak at i sought to improve; I found I was weak at the medical side, so my solution was to go back to school during covid and become a paramedic even though the standard firefighter first aid is just a one-week course.
Now not only am I good at medical, I’m a paramedic instructor.
I’m of “average” fitness for someone pursuing this career, and I can run 5k any given Tuesday and do 50 pushups in a row. This job is highly cardio intensive. Getting in better shape before recruit training is my current goal.
Take it seriously and be better for the guy beside you. He’s the one that will need you one day. That’s how I think about it at least.
The job is 80% effort and desire to be there, the other 20% follows and is taught by the guys above you that see you want to be there.
As a 17 year guy and Captain in the fire service, this video is spot on! We are dealing with a softer generation now and that’s the fault of parenting and being raised in a soft environment. What you have to realize is that even though the recruit might be “a grown man who doesn’t need to be yelled at” you’re laying down something their parents, teachers and coaches probably couldn’t do!! But you know the real issue where I’m at is? It’s the places they go for recruiting events!!!!!! You shouldn’t be begging some 400 lb teenager to apply at the fire department, put up a sign at the local gyms!!
Discipline is key, it comes down to the little things that can kill you. “Attention to Detail”. Be opened minded with the process of any academy they are designed to break down individuals and build up as a team. Best of luck.
That part sums it up: “you can’t never be ready enough” if you’re not doing much physically, you need to do more & if you’re doing a lot, keep going up to the next level. You can’t do too much (avoid injury)
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Couldn't agree more with your assessment of this video. We got PTd pretty good during my recruitment class, but it wasn't close to how tired I've been during a working fire. If someone yelling at makes you want to quit, I'd rather you do it during training than when a real job gets tough.
Thank you for watching/commenting/reacting to this video, Mike. I'm a retired Fire Captain/Paramedic from Las Vegas Fire and Rescue and you said so many true things about the cadre of this class, and I doubt you've ever met any of them. But, as you know, there is camaraderie, brotherhood, and love for the Fire Service from the start to the finish, and you can't force that. We must own the love for the profession, each other, and those we serve. Unfortunately, there a huge change in society and this profession doesn't allow for weakness and "everyone is good enough". Everyone should be given the chance to try, but not everyone can handle the mental, physical and spiritual impact this path lays upon our lives. Whether we are in the first day of the Academy, or retired, this profession is part of who we are. Don't get me wrong, every probationary Firefighter I was assigned or engaged with I pushed a simple message, "Don't let this career define you, YOU define it". Be the best person/father/brother/son/friend/daughter/mother/sister you can be.....whether you are a Firefighter or an office worker.
I was 67 when I went.. I had to laugh at the militaristic yelling and brow beating of the younger folks. I’ve heard it all before. It was the best training I ever had..
I’m turning 30 in a few months and shooting for the spring 2023 academy here in SoCal. This is absolutely how firefighters need to be trained….there is no other person to come help you….you’re it, get serious. Really hoping my years in ROTC help
I have seen both sides of the Fire Service coin, career and volunteer. I was a career department training officer for 5 years and we did put our recruits through a tough time. We did not want to go to any LODD services or hospital visits. I also worked at a fire academy in a county that was 100% volunteer and the training we had to use was 180 degrees from my career classes a kinder and gentler approach being politically requiredWhat people who want a kinder and gentler approach many times fail to realize is this job, vocation, calling, can kill you in many different ways and it is an instructor’s job to prepare a recruit for the reality of the Fire Service. Many recruits talk a good game, a lot don’t have the heart and motivation for success especially when they’re used to “everyone gets a trophy”. We cannot lower our expectations or standards to socially sensitive standards because we owe it to recruits to train them to succeed and go home at the end of a shift or incident.
I think there can be a balance, no? To instil toughness, but also encourage recruits to seek medical and mental health attention so they dont burn out?
@@kitbarrows3874 absolutely. No one should be denied or denigrated for seeking or needing medical attention of any kind but as we are all aware, there are varying levels of discomfort and instructors, to the best of their ability must try to differentiate between the BS issue and one of genuine importance. Too often today “hurt feelings” are seen as a major disaster. Inducing a certain level of stress is necessary to help sort out who can be depended upon in a real incident. I used to say to my recruits/students “if you think I’m stressing you out, what do you think will happen on the third floor of a fire building when the hall lights up?”
@@tnzayatz6579 fair. I would argue that for better or for worse, people have gone soft so it would probably be useful to have some kind of lessons in coping with stress during training, because they arent gonna be used to it. Otherwise you'll have recruits dropping out in their droves. But I absolutely agree that the training shouldnt be eased up.
What do career firefighters think about volunteers?
@@ALSuspiria-sh1ss I don’t think there’s too much in the way of negative thought, a lot of career guys either started as volunteers or volunteer in the town they live in. Personally it has been my experience that more volunteers don’t care for career guys (jealousy?) than the other way around. I respect that not all jurisdictions can have a career department. The only time I get worked up is when a volunteer says they are a professional and then want less training or weaker standards because “I’m a volunteer.” Funny thing- fires and incidents can’t tell the difference and are equal opportunity killers.
I graduated the academy like 2 and a half months ago and it was a decent experience there were older people still chasing there dreams who were in there late 30s and early 40s which I admired. I felt like we had a lot of downtime and I expected them to be more hard. I’m a quiet guy who understands your feelings don’t matter and was waiting to be yelled at more so the discipline would be instilled in me. It wasn’t too difficult but it was a bit challenging learning all new stuff. I respect firefighters and am still going through with it.
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I like intense instructors, they’re motivating, knowledgeable, and almost always the person who’s actually rooting for you the most to be successful. My favorite drill sgt at boot was the one who scared me the most to be on top of everything. Not everything requires yelling though, just like many drill sgts from boot, some just like the sound of their voice. Regardless, ask yourself if you want it and remember why you started, that should keep you humble.
I'm a volunteer in one of the sixteen fire districts in my county. Each of those districts are fully manned by volunteers and a paid chief.
I was in the service so watching this video was pretty much like watching boot camp all over again. Been there, done that but I'd like to remind all of you that over 65% of all firefighters in this country are volunteers. I am the only member of my department with military experience. If the members of my department were treated like these cadets are being treated, whether it's the best way to train or not, we would have no firefighters in our district (except me and the training officer who was a member of a "real" fire department before he moved to our area.
What's more important, having people trained in this manner or have people willing to serve their community, fight fires, do vehicle extrications, and put themselves at risk? I don't have a good answer to this and really am interested in other people's opinions. I will tell you this, I would trust any of the firefighters in my department to have my back under any situation we could find ourselves in despite them not having this type of training.
Lol that got me with the memories of hearing the instructor say get back here and realizing y’all messed up and they’re about to mess you up
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This is great. Too many guys don’t understand discipline and how it makes everything click together all the way down the ladder without thinking once you have that discipline, besides it could just save your live and others. Thank you for posting this.
At 40 years old, I am 1.5-2 years from being in academy ready shape.
Could I pass before then? Possibly, but in a line of work where someone else trusts me with their life, I don't want to be a liability. I look forward to the opportunity to go through an academy when I feel I am ready, even if I would be older than most recruits.
You are never too old to start a new career.
I am watching this because my son will be entering the NYC firefighter academy in January. I am very happy to see here the recruiters are the way they are. Yes. fighting fires is exactly like the military, because they have to be prepared and ready for everything.
I have a gentleman with my recruit class who is 52 and he did great in fire school now we almost done with our advanced emt age is nothing but a number
Great video! This should be shown in every fire academy. I’m completing 40 years this year, and my tour in the fire service. Leaving at the top. I strongly recommend that every recruit follow the advice of this video. Come in healthy. Stay healthy. It will improve your chances to leave healthy. There are no other options.
can't wait, I breezed through all the training for the Marine Corps (before they added a 4th phase) and I was a drunk. Now I got a few years of sobriety under my belt and a huge chip on my shoulder. Registered for the Fall EMT course and bought a NREMT prep to practice in the mean time. If a current or Veteran Firefighter see's this. If you went back in time when you were checking the boxes for your application to the fire department what job would you have got to make the most money but also allow you to focus on your schooling??
Thanks for the amazing video. I really needed this. Im going through an academy in June!
Good luck! Make sure you're ready and keep a positive attitude, you'll do great!
@@mike_pertz I will do that. Thank you!
I don't want to say I'm encouraged by the fitness test being so basic, since I know it's not nearly a reflection of the job as a whole, but I really did expect something a lot worse. To put it into perspective, I was in a female military unit and we had to run 1.8 miles (3km) in 14 minutes and do 8 pull ups in a row, not 10 in 10 minutes. Maybe I can chase my dream after all.
I am currently in the US Marine Corps. These expectations are very low and easy to pass. Not to mention the Military in general requires 2 passing fitness tests to complete the requirements of that fiscal year. If you don't pass then you could be doing those fitness tests daily until you do.
As someone who doesn’t have a military background this is very insightful. I have a much stronger appreciation for this process and I look forward to what it will do for me.
I tell my cadets on the first day, "get comfortable with being uncomfortable". Not all community college fire academies are easy, just saying. The problem here in Texas is the online fire academies that have no PT program or very little. Excellent video and keep em coming! The yelling part of the academy is used to stress individuals to see how they will react under stressful situations. You cant imagine as a new recruit the stress level that you will experience once you are on the job. We have to find out how they will react in those situations. If you cant handle being yelled at or an officer getting on your a$$ then you are in the wrong job field. BTW i have been teaching at the fire academy for 30 years., now that I am retired from active fire service that is all I do. Very rewarding to turn out excellent firefighters, they are few and far between.
I remember when I was preparing for the fire academy/fire service, I would go for a 3-mile run with a 30 pound backpack. Other times, I’d run stairs with a 90 pound bag of concrete. I found that endurance runs helped me. One thing that I don’t hear in these videos is nutrition. So important!
Im looking to become a firefighter but I'm not really sure how to do so. I've signed up for a training thing but never got any responses for it.what do y'all recommend I do to start the process
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The physical requirements aren't bad at all. I do Wildland Firefighting and a 10 minute mile is considered slow.
Brush Monkey!! Yes indeed. I'm 6 foot 1. A cyclist, I put in 22000km per year on average. Those academy runs were cake, I have a long stride.
Brush monkeys are a unique breed, my brother. We hike miles before we go to work.
I'm 57 today, and I really miss it. Keep your canteen full, and your spoon sharp!
Good thing you mentioned the vegas heat. Preparation is key.
When I was attempting to get into LVMPD academy (2 year process) from day 1 of filling out my application I did so in a way where if everything was completed on time as was expected I'dda made winter academy.
Anyone doing academy for anything in vegas or any place hot. Take note.
Colder places just invert that.
I am a career firefighter (captain) now retired but still do volunteer for my city's busy 6 station department. So when I first saw this the first thing that popped in my mind is that it was very staged and rehearsed for the clip. I may be wrong but it looked too polished!
I'm not even in an academy yet but I love watching these videos. I think one of the things people forget when the instructors are shouting in their faces is that these instructors are trying to make sure they don't get themselves killed out there. And in order to ensure that, they need to instill great discipline in their recruits.
I live in vegas, i trained with marines and loved it but not too thrilled about taking lives... fighting nature and saving lives with the training of a marine seems right up my alley. Joining asap 😎
I’m a volunteer firefighter and im a big boy 5’7” 240lbs i look out of shape but i do 75 pushups every morning and night, i can do 48 situps in 1 min my running isnt great due to shin splints. I can handle just about every task by myself when alot of others cant seem to. Idk if its normal or not. I move extrication tools myself, grab the water thief off the back or the engine carry/throw ladders myself. Ive also been a coal miner and roughneck and ive been 240lbs. When i started roughnecking i was 298lbs and everyone though i would fail but i pulled thru earned respect and at the end of 6 week hitch i came back 220lbs. None of my clothes fit and my mom didnt even recognize me. I now work in the tree business and carry 200lbs+ logs outta the woods myself. I guess long story short just cause someone looks outta shape doesnt mean they cant hold their own or contribute alot. I can carry or drag a fully kit FF without a problem. For new guys who are out of shape, embrace the suck and use the pain as a reason to do better and never let yourself go back to that. Itll pay. Push hard, dont quit ask questions when you don’t understand and motivate your fellow FF. A team is only as strong as the weakest link. People i was in the army with, in the coal mines and oilfield with and FF would all have each others backs and would move heaven and earth for each-other if needed.
This is a good video I'ma, a Safety Officer for my department and we put a physical standard in we have a choice of combat challenge or moderate pack test if you don't pass you don't put a pack on. I take the test and physical even though I don't go in.
Coming from a cop of nearly 40 years in the OKC metro, I can say that I’m glad to see fire academies that are run like this. Our police academies are run like this, and we too are seeing a softer type of applicants in today’s generation. Hell, we often have people quit on the first day before noon. And I’m glad they quit, because I wouldn’t want them covering my back. We jokingly tell them that if they can’t hack the police academy, to go join the fire department. But in all honesty, we don’t want them to be firefighters either. I’m glad the fire side has tough academies. Keep it up brothers!
Joining my local fire academy after I’m back from army basic and my ait so hopefully that experience with boot will help
I'm a French professionnal firefighter and it's Amazing how this video is boosting me / re activating the fire within me. I love this content, thanks for that ! I will use this !
I just finished my freshman year at VMI and now I'm starting the fire academy over the summer to volunteer and help out in the community. Really excited
I went into the academy at age 39, took home the top fitness award, and top rung. I also came in very disciplined and in top shape as a former jiu jitsu competitor. This year will be my 5th year as a career FF. Its never too late ladies and gentlemen get it!!
Hey Mike. I am an EMT basic. And 40 years old. I’ve been a carpenter for 20 years. I just passed NREMT. I am applying with one of my local depts. They don’t usually hire just basics. They want Medics. However, only a few medics have applied and I want to give myself the best opportunity I can to be considered. I have a good friend on the dept who is going to bat for me. I am going on ride alongs, meeting the chiefs, I went to watch the evolutions at the last academy to see how it goes. I am reading everything I can, I watch your channel daily. I’m practicing my interview with my buddy who is on the interview board. I met the EMS Chief to set up the ride along last week. I went in a suit and she loved it. Is there anything else you can recommend I do to help my Chances? I’m going to medic school asap. I just can’t till it starts. But hiring happens prior. Thank you so much for all you do!! You’re pretty amazing my friend
That’s awesome Mike! Good for you for putting in the work. You’re doing all the right things!
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Thank you so much for the response Mike. I really appreciate how responsive you are. You have no idea how much your videos have helped me. I think I speak for everyone on this channel when I say your advice and input is absolutely priceless. The time and effort you’ve put forth to help everyone is incredibly commendable and says to me that the guys on your crew are very lucky to have you. Thank you again for your time sir. Have a great day..!!
in some states, firefighters were regarded as military. In Italy when there was compulsory military service you could choose (rarely is a choice) to be part of the C.N.VV.F. In Honors there are 7 Silver Medals for Military Valor 33 Bronze Medals for Military Valor
96 War Crosses for military valor for a total of 136 individual decorations for military valor
You're a cool dude, well said. People need to hear these things about the academy and about the type of person person they need to be to join this career.
I did the COBRA hazmat program in Alabama with a bunch of Vegas firefighters. Those guys were super competent and also a blast to hang out with once we clocked out!!
They left a very good impression on the rest of us!!
just stumbled upon you channel after receiving a email about my enrollment from the FDNY. been running/pace walking 2.5 miles minimum 4 times a week and am expected to be in the acadamey in about a year.(nyc take forever) great content!
As some one who is currently testing for LVFR being in shape for academy has been my single focus for quite a long time. Even the minimum standards they give to just to Apply are nothing compared to the actual Academy.
I'm going to be 31 in September. I recently went through my 3rd attempt in being recruited by my local FD. I intend to go at it again this September when the trainee positions open. I'm not gonna give up on this
im right with you brodie
it all boils down to what kind of fire department you want to work for...you want to work for a department that is ultra aggressive like this, that breaks down a door and brings every bag into a abdominal pain call. or a department that is a little less high strung...and that really comes down to culture..it really makes a difference working at a department that has a good culture
Can’t wait to go to the academy very excited🔥💯
I join the Marine Corps in 2001 after 911 and I ended up getting out in 2017. The difference in between your basic recruit that joined in 2001 and that was joining in 2017 was night and day. We had kids who would cry at the drop of a hat who were weak who were fat and mentally couldn’t handle it. That’s why I got out because I could no longer Handle the insanity of pushing people through who didn’t deserve it and who would probably get themselves or someone else killed
Hello I love your channel and your reviews etc on everything fire related. I’m still new to the fire service (just over one year). You’re spot on with recruit mindsets. I saw all types in my class, and yes several were way out of shape. I went through my recruit school highly motivated and worked very hard. Six months on the job I got an email from my chief “congratulations you’ve been selected to attend smoke divers”. That was highly intimidating as a probie to get that email. Going into smoke divers I trained my ass off. I was easily in the best shape of my life and it paid off. I was the first recruit in my class to complete the smoke diver course. Absolutely it was an insanely tough week, but it separates people who want to be there, and who just wanted a job.
New hire here. I'm about two weeks out of academy and my department requires you to pass an annual fitness exam which is the same exam as what our final fitness exam was to graduate academy.
NFPA 1582 and 1583 are there so fitness requirements are verified annually