the saddle line is just a prussic knot made with a rock climbing sling. and the safety lin is 8.5mm dynamic rock climbing rope that i tie around the tree with a bowline. more detail is in my video called new harness with lineman factory lineman loops. Im not using this particular harness anymore and dont have all the part on it to show you.
In theory could I buy a saddle and us it in the same way as your system? The only problem i see is how I would use the tethered rope in the front. Like your system just don't know how to sow lol.
You could but I do not know if a bridge is ment to handle a shock loaded fall. John at tactisaddle.com is working on a new stand harness design for me and made to my specs that should be amazing. I should have the protoype soon to test out. Finally we are goon a have a dedicated rock style tree stand harness made the right way.
@@SamkoTradBow Thats what us tree hangers need. I'll buy a regular safety harness for now Intel john getts that to market. Bought a novik helo and excited to get more mobel. Thank
Some great ideas here. One piece of feedback. There are quicker ways to tie a bowline. Look up outside chronicles fastest way to tie a bowline the third method. It cuts down on moving the rope end as much and would be easier when up 18-20ft in the air.
I dont believe so. There is stitches all over it already from the factory. And I just put a few stitches to hold the loops in place. I have zero worries or concerns personally.
Been using a Black Diamond Alpine Bod harness for years. Had wife sow linemans loops which makes it quite versatile. It is simple, light weight and does come in sizes s,m,l,xl. I do use a full length climbing rope that I girth hitch around tree and a Swabish prusik to make it adjustable. I also use the rope to pull up pack or tree stands. Rope is a added safety measure, should I fall I can simply let myself to the ground. I am 59 and have no issues with this setup. Love your videos, keep em coming.
Possibly. But I jave watched videos of dozens of rock climbers fall and they never tup upside down. Also think if there is an industry that knows falling its the xlimbing industry so I trust it and am excited to use it this season
@@eagleone8270 yep that system worked flawlessly for me for over 20 years. And if I dont like this rock system I will be going right back to that style set up.
Thanks for all the videos and great advice, I built the custom linemans belt from your recommendations. One quick question, can you use the bridge loop on the front of this harness for your linemans belt?
You could but it gets in the way and makes it really hard to put your sticks on the tree and very hard to climb up becasue it comes to a point int he front and the belt snags on every step, etc.
Being an alpine/mountaineer, and a bowhunter (now with stand). Love to see with a "normal" climbing harness. I was also thinking, why use the big bulky full-harness that came with my Lone Wolf. Keep up with the great chanel, thanks!
This harness has been fantastic. I'm in the process of testing a new one right now that I'm really liking it's called the petzel falcon mountain harness. It even has dedicated lineman belt loops that are rated the same as the main attachment point.
Traditional Bowhunting And Wilderness Podcast I was hoping for a video comparing a Rock climbing harness to a standard typical full harness! Hopefully we’ll get a video soon of the new harness you’re trying out.
I’ve been using one for about 7 years now. Mine is like yours but an older black diamond and has a factory loop like you made. Seems most expect you to clip into 2 places which I don’t like or want. My harness weighs like 13 oz and is surprisingly comfortable.
So quick question. Using this set up. I have private land and keep some hang ons on the tree. How do you make the transition to get on the platform while still staying connected to the tree? Can’t just move the linesman belt around the hang on. Is it the same thing your doing here with branches? Use another line and wrap it higher?
You are correct. Before I step on the stand I tie my tether to the tree then disconnect my lineman belt to get on the stand. Or I often keep my lineman belt higher than I hang the stand so that I can just step into the stand with my lineman belt still attached and then tie my tether. So im hanging the stand below my lineman belt when im standing on the top step of the stick.
Fore those that can't find a ropeman ascender in stock or want a different option the PETZL MICROGRAB CLIMBING ROPE GRAB has been a great alternative. Great channel for a beginning tree stand hunter. Thanks
Interesting...I just got a Tether to try saddle hunting this year and I do like it but what I found is that being a bigger guy (about 240) the platform is just too small for my liking...So I Just purchased a small platform with a seat similar to yours and my thinking was I can now have a modified saddle hunting set up where I have the benefits of both styles...Nice job!!
That sounds like a great plan! Just make sure that if you use the saddle with a limp safety line like on a tree stand that its fall rated. I believe most saddle bridges are designed for static weight not a slack fall. If your bridge is not ready to handle a slack line fall you could add a belay loop or similar to the hard loops the bridge connects to.
Can you sit down in this harness similar to a saddle? I was considering using this set up with the bottom half of my summit climber stand and was curious about your thoughts.
Great video, and big fan of your channel!!! Just a couple of follow-up questions. Can you do a video that walks throught the different knots for this setup? I am seeing 3 knots, the bowline knot for strapping to the tree, the prustik for adjust the slack, but what knot are you using at the rock climbing harness? Also, how long is the 8mm dynamic line, I am guessing 8 feet? Thanks!
I attached it to the harness with an anchor knot backed up with a stopper knot. Could also use a figure 8 knot. Will try and get a video make on the knots this winter!
Any concerns about tying those knots in cold weather? I did a little practice this evening but I'm unsure about how that would go when I can barely feel my fingers.
I always use a hand muff when temps get chilly to cold as I dont like wearing gloves or should I say warm thick gloves, i do wear leather or thin mechanic gloves alot hanging the stand. But I would never let my hands get that cold and try to climb down a tree. if i cant undo a knot i surely cant safely climb down and would stay a few more minutes and warm my hands. But with taht hand muff my hands are never cold.
@@SamkoTradBow Thanks for the reply. I really like the knot idea - less clanking possibility and no need to disconnect/girth hitch/reconnect/etc - but I wondered about the cold. I use a muff as well but I know there are times when the fingers can feel a little stiff. Maybe I'm hunting too late into the season, haha!
I may just have to jump on board with you on this one... but like you, I don' like to fix things that aint broke and I've been using a "Seat-of-the-Pants" harness for a long, long time! But I sure do like light weight, simple, easy, and safe. Maybe time for an upgrade
So far im happy with this new rock harness. But time will tell. Like you i have been using a seat of the pants minimalist harness for 20 years and always loved it. Not its discontinued and I do not like anything else out there in the full body harness. So time to upgrade and so far Im happy.
I am going to a setup like this. My only worry is the bowline knot being uncomfortable digging in my back while sitting. Do you run it off to one side or is there another way to avoid this?
Traditional Bowhunting And Wilderness Podcast do you tie off the tag end of the bowline knot? I’m doing research on it and have read that if there is no tension on the rope and the tag end is not tied off the knot works loose easy.
Thanks for the video Jason! I dabbled in this a little last year, but didn't get to hunt much because of work and my wife's illness. Look forward to trying it out this year!
Jason, I like what you are thinking. You got me doing some research for myself. What about a running bowline - Overhand Flip Method, just watched someone using it. I think it might be a better anchor around the tree and easier to use.
Yep a running bowline is a fantastic knot only thing is trying to take up the slack for difference size trees and trying to keep the knot from sliding down the tree. Maybe there is a way to do it. Bit I could not figure it out.
I think its about 8 feet but I need it long for some of the super wide oaks I hunt in. some of the trees i hunt I have to put extensions on my straps on the sticks and stand.
Just what im looking for. You just might have inspired me to make the system ive been looking to buy. Haven't been able to find what I want. Im sure there's a good way to use this as a deer drag as well. I want a linesman's belt/ fall harness/deer drag all in one setup, in earth tones, with all metal components coated to prevent noise. Ty sir, truly appreciate you and the content you put out.....
love it! question would mr tuckers saddle with the adjustable bridge mimic the same concept. if the bridge was close to your body then in theory you could regular stand hunt and saddle hunt with a few adjustments. i like the idea of being able to have both options when im going i blind etc. and i was in the Navy for 4 years and now the Coast Guard for the past 10 and we use a bowline knot for pretty much everything from rigging to search and rescue, by far most versatile and safest knot.
Yes and no. Yes johns saddle would work perfectly but I would tie into both loops that the bridge connects to for use as a fall restraint. The bride would probably hold but saddles are designed to have static weight, not fall arest. So if you tie into both main harness loops with a rope or check even a second strap for safe measure your be good to go in my opinion. I just dont trust stopping a fall with only the single bridge.
@@thebluecollarbowhunter360 I'm sure john could very easily add a belay loop on there for you as well so its dual purpose all the time. Dont be afraid to call him if your wondering anything on that saddle.
Traditional Bowhunting And Wilderness Podcast Jason just spoke to John came up with an awesome idea to be able to effectively get the same versatility you show in this video. Plus what a super nice guy John is great to chat with like minded kind people, breath of fresh air man, Thanks again.
Great video Jason! I’ve been using one for 6 years or so now I found it to be easier to stay connected to the tree while using a climbing stand and then I added the linesman’s loops last year for hang on stands. Also no more annoying tether over your head while hunting either. I am totally going to steal your tether set up. Another thing I do when it’s cold is wear the RC harness on over my walk in clothes. I keep all my outer layers in my pack until I am set in the tree and cooled off. Then, I put my outer bibs or pants on over the harness and then run the tether out the zipper hole. Works, great! Thanks again for all your content!
Welcome to the rock climbing harness club. I switched from a fullbody harness for the same reasons you stated. Still trying to reduce the weight I carry.
Cool and safe concept to combine a saddle profile for more shooting options off a stand. Have you been looking into the full saddle set ups for mobile hunting?
Thanks. No I dont want to hunt out of a saddle. I dont personally like them. But I like the option to convert to a saddle position if I need or want to.
@@SamkoTradBow thanks, just wondering. A saddle seems like a lightweight option, I'm just not sure if I would like them either and no trade shows to try one up here. Thanks again.
@@whitetailpoet4243 call john at tactisaddle.com he custom makes one of the best saddles out there and can get it out to you quick. He has a no questions asked return policy I'm pretty sure. Lots of people love saddles! I'm just not one of them..lol but you are correct its light and fast and super safe. There is a small learning curve to hunting from a saddle but you will figure it out quickly. Alot of guys love them. And John's newest version is just amazing!
Looks functional for a stick bow hunter but for me as a compound bow hunter I would be more comfortable with the tether running above and behind me to reduce the possibility of cam interference. Like the minimal material though.
Makes perfect sense to me! And other compound shooters will appreciate this comment so they know to test first and see if it works for them. Thank you again!
I use something similar Walter and I find the tether running above me hinders my release arm more then this does. I’ve had zero issues with my compound. Try it you might like it.
A couple safety thoughts you may already know. Take out all the slack in your anchor to the tree, tucking in any shirt/coat underneath the harness and wearing the harness above the iliac crest on your hips tight enough so you don't slide out if you end up upside down. Great lineman belt mod. Interested in having a conversation about your terrain method.
I'm new to a rock harness. But just did a podcast (not publishing for a couple weeks) witha professional arborist and he said same thing, and I have heard it before as well. A rock harness is safer than a harness that connects from the shoulders.
@@steveyd101 that was one of Carrys (the arborist) big points as well. Especially for over weight or out of shape or older or younger people without the strength to do the maneuvers with a full harness from the shoulders. Thanks again for the great points!
Im just using a bowline knot. Its a good strong knot that is easy to undo even after a fall. It also allows me to get my slack and tightness exactly like I want.
Been using something similar past 20 years. Tried the vest and one like your old safety harness but always go back to this system quickly. Another trick if you can lock the stand in place and have the top of your tree stick at the same level as the platform you can walk around the tree enough to 360 shoot, if that makes sense. Yes it does work safety wise, saved me when a stand failed.
For me I won't go back to a full body harness. I'm actually in process of working with tactisaddle.com to build a rock harness for tree stand hunters to my design and specs. Should be available soon
I’d recommend tying the tether line to the tree with a running bowline rather than a standard bowline. That ensure that in the event that you did fall the line couldn’t slide down the tree. Is the standard bowline sufficient, yes, but a running bowline would be even safer. Great video. I run a very similar set up and really enjoy it. Great video.
Thanks. Only thing about a running bowline is it slides down the tree without tension. Unless there is a secret I dont know. Bit when I hang lifelines for my wife and daughter the damn think keeps sliding down. If you have a trick let me know. Thanks!
Put a figure 8 loop in the end of your rope. Attach a carabiner through the loop and flip around tree and clip on line. This avoids tying a bowline every time and is adjustable. It can still be loose though. You can loop the rope in the carabiner or use a prusik loop from the line to the carabiner. Hard to explain without pics. Would be happy to email photos if interested.
@@lloutdoors9516 that's how my old set up was. Worked great but trying to avoid the carabiners and metal on the end of the line. Seems for me it's always clanking on sticks, stand, etc.
It was relatively common for people to sew on various lineman's loops using a sewing awl, with the most popular being the Speedy Stitcher. Be careful when sewing. Most sewing awls, and the Speedy Stitcher definitely, has a cutting style needle (bladed sides). It is like that so that it can get through a variety of materials, including leather. What happens is that with each stitch, you are cutting strands of your webbing. So, as you add stitches to strengthen your join, you are simultaneously compromising your webbing. You can do the following experiment: sew a piece of webbing thoroughly then remove the stitches and inspect with a magnifying glass and see all the small tears. 100 holes in a harness PROBABLY won't do anything bad, even with a short fall, but I don't like putting holes in my safety equipment when it is avoidable. To avoid this, even a regular sharp needle (not cutting) is better as it may cut but also spreads, but the best is a ball point needle which is recommended for webbing. It parts the strands of the webbing without much or any damage. It is what harness makers use. Luckily, large sewing machine ball point needles can be "chucked" into a Speedy Stitcher and used in place of the needle that comes with it.
@@SamkoTradBow Sounds good. I just wanted to warn everyone because for a bit a bunch of people were sewing webbing with those cutting needles and then one person chimed in and everyone else had a bit collective "oops" and some threw away their old harness and started over due to it.
Jason, great idea! Years ago I got my drawing arm tangled up and restricted in my full body safety harness and I wasn’t able to make a shot on a huge buck.
Jason I've experimented w this system and love it. Just gona add for my tether I use an amsteel versa link w a carabinier from tethrd....really light and has multiple links. Really fast for going around branches or using as main tether or lineman
Awesome. I would double check amsteels shock load numbers. I have that same stuff on my quads snowplow and break it a few times each season. Just to be same make sure it's rated for a shock load
Yes exactly the same way. John has also had many requests since this video to add a rear tether loop to his saddles and he will do that if you ask him.
I've been using a similar petzl climbing harness like that for several years and love it. Maybe the same one just an older model, not sure. I put mine on before I leave the house when I'm getting dressed. I don't even notice that it's on while walking through the woods.
Glad you love it! I know I'm a little late to the rock harness game, but I'm excited to test it out and really like the benefits! Thanks for commenting!
So you altered the original harness as was tested and approved, you should take this video down before someone’s harness fails because they stitched through the harness and well as altered other climbing gear beyond its approved design
Nah... your lonewolf and safety harness combo probably ran you about $100 less than my saddle-platform. When I hunt from my saddle I remain under tension just about at all times, I cant imagine this drop load your talking about. I've only been saddle hunting for just over 2 years though, so I dont claim to know everything about it.
@@d.s.6772 I ment if I were to use a saddle as a tree stand harness and fall or stand break with slack in the line. Thata the deop I'm talking about. I have 2 of the best saddles ever made. But I prefer a tree stand. Not a fan of saddle hunting. But very glad you have a set up that works great for you! Hunt hard and be safe!
Very helpful
Glad you enjoyed it!
super
if there are no branches in the way can you just use the thether to climb up? great information!
sure can. but hanging the sticks is much easiere with a lineman belt so you can be hands free to hang the sticks and stand and work the straps.
Appreciate all your videos!
Thank you. Greatly appreciate the comment.
Excellent Video! I followed through and did the research on rock climbing harnesses and this is the way to go. Thank you!
Glad you did the research. Very few people do that! Yep agree 100% rock harness is best for me too.
how to make tree stand safety line or saddle mode line, in detail. thank you
the saddle line is just a prussic knot made with a rock climbing sling. and the safety lin is 8.5mm dynamic rock climbing rope that i tie around the tree with a bowline. more detail is in my video called new harness with lineman factory lineman loops. Im not using this particular harness anymore and dont have all the part on it to show you.
How long is the rope you use as the safety rope or tether
This looks great! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks
In theory could I buy a saddle and us it in the same way as your system? The only problem i see is how I would use the tethered rope in the front. Like your system just don't know how to sow lol.
You could but I do not know if a bridge is ment to handle a shock loaded fall. John at tactisaddle.com is working on a new stand harness design for me and made to my specs that should be amazing. I should have the protoype soon to test out. Finally we are goon a have a dedicated rock style tree stand harness made the right way.
@@SamkoTradBow Thats what us tree hangers need. I'll buy a regular safety harness for now Intel john getts that to market. Bought a novik helo and excited to get more mobel. Thank
@@bigsallysdiary27 you are gonna love that helo stand! Hopefully I have that harness soon and can get it tested and dialed in!
Some great ideas here. One piece of feedback. There are quicker ways to tie a bowline. Look up outside chronicles fastest way to tie a bowline the third method. It cuts down on moving the rope end as much and would be easier when up 18-20ft in the air.
Will check it out. Thank you
Can you recommend a rock climbing harness that will work?
the one in the video is what im using
@@SamkoTradBow i figured that lol. Do you recommend one?
@@TheBuckPsych I will never go back to a full body harness. I love the rock harness.
@@SamkoTradBow do you recomend a certain one?
Are you still using this system I love it and about to go to it. If possible mention it in the next video pros and cons ????
Yes I am and yes I love it! Will not go back to a full body harness. Plan to do another video on it soon with more detail.
Great info, Thanks for sharing.....
Thanks
Will the sewing weaken the harness?
I dont believe so. There is stitches all over it already from the factory. And I just put a few stitches to hold the loops in place. I have zero worries or concerns personally.
Been using a Black Diamond Alpine Bod harness for years. Had wife sow linemans loops which makes it quite versatile. It is simple, light weight and does come in sizes s,m,l,xl. I do use a full length climbing rope that I girth hitch around tree and a Swabish prusik to make it adjustable. I also use the rope to pull up pack or tree stands. Rope is a added safety measure, should I fall I can simply let myself to the ground. I am 59 and have no issues with this setup. Love your videos, keep em coming.
Awesome! I'm glad you are loving it and being safe. The full length rope to repel of needed is a great idea! And it doubles as a haul rope. I love it!
What do you do with the extra length once up in the tree?
Man Thank You!!! Just sparked ideas for my setups...oh and the kayak paddle grips on the buckles year #2 love it!!!
Yep the yak grips are amazing! Glad you like the content.
Have you made any changes to set now that most of season is over? Will you be doing a follow up video?
No changes. Loving it! Will never go back to a full body harness! Will do some more videos in the off-season.
Sweet set up
Thanks
Will this system allow you to fall upside down because you are not tied off above the head like old system?
Possibly. But I jave watched videos of dozens of rock climbers fall and they never tup upside down. Also think if there is an industry that knows falling its the xlimbing industry so I trust it and am excited to use it this season
Any ways I use your old system and love it, I will stay right there.
@@eagleone8270 yep that system worked flawlessly for me for over 20 years. And if I dont like this rock system I will be going right back to that style set up.
Thanks for all the videos and great advice, I built the custom linemans belt from your recommendations. One quick question, can you use the bridge loop on the front of this harness for your linemans belt?
You could but it gets in the way and makes it really hard to put your sticks on the tree and very hard to climb up becasue it comes to a point int he front and the belt snags on every step, etc.
@@SamkoTradBow thanks for the clarification!
Being an alpine/mountaineer, and a bowhunter (now with stand). Love to see with a "normal" climbing harness. I was also thinking, why use the big bulky full-harness that came with my Lone Wolf. Keep up with the great chanel, thanks!
This harness has been fantastic. I'm in the process of testing a new one right now that I'm really liking it's called the petzel falcon mountain harness. It even has dedicated lineman belt loops that are rated the same as the main attachment point.
Traditional Bowhunting And Wilderness Podcast I was hoping for a video comparing a Rock climbing harness to a standard typical full harness! Hopefully we’ll get a video soon of the new harness you’re trying out.
@@andrewjodocy3516 new harness vid will be out soon!
I’ve been using one for about 7 years now. Mine is like yours but an older black diamond and has a factory loop like you made. Seems most expect you to clip into 2 places which I don’t like or want. My harness weighs like 13 oz and is surprisingly comfortable.
Glad you like the rock harness set up. I am ready excited to put this thru the paces thos season.
So quick question. Using this set up. I have private land and keep some hang ons on the tree. How do you make the transition to get on the platform while still staying connected to the tree? Can’t just move the linesman belt around the hang on. Is it the same thing your doing here with branches? Use another line and wrap it higher?
You are correct. Before I step on the stand I tie my tether to the tree then disconnect my lineman belt to get on the stand. Or I often keep my lineman belt higher than I hang the stand so that I can just step into the stand with my lineman belt still attached and then tie my tether. So im hanging the stand below my lineman belt when im standing on the top step of the stick.
@@SamkoTradBow awesome!! Thanks a lot for the quick reply!
@@brncyn1993 welcome and merry Christmas
Fore those that can't find a ropeman ascender in stock or want a different option the PETZL MICROGRAB CLIMBING ROPE GRAB has been a great alternative. Great channel for a beginning tree stand hunter. Thanks
Thanks for the suggestion and info!
I was thinking of this, this week!! Spot on bro
Thanks
@@SamkoTradBow did you hand stitch the loops? Just for clarification, what's difficulty? Did you use an awl?
You have me sayin “sweet simple and easy”
Hahaha. Its catchy isn't it!!!!
Interesting...I just got a Tether to try saddle hunting this year and I do like it but what I found is that being a bigger guy (about 240) the platform is just too small for my liking...So I Just purchased a small platform with a seat similar to yours and my thinking was I can now have a modified saddle hunting set up where I have the benefits of both styles...Nice job!!
That sounds like a great plan! Just make sure that if you use the saddle with a limp safety line like on a tree stand that its fall rated. I believe most saddle bridges are designed for static weight not a slack fall. If your bridge is not ready to handle a slack line fall you could add a belay loop or similar to the hard loops the bridge connects to.
Can you sit down in this harness similar to a saddle? I was considering using this set up with the bottom half of my summit climber stand and was curious about your thoughts.
yes you can. for about 20 to 30 mins then you need to stand up again and give your legs a break in my opinion.
Great video, and big fan of your channel!!! Just a couple of follow-up questions. Can you do a video that walks throught the different knots for this setup? I am seeing 3 knots, the bowline knot for strapping to the tree, the prustik for adjust the slack, but what knot are you using at the rock climbing harness? Also, how long is the 8mm dynamic line, I am guessing 8 feet? Thanks!
I attached it to the harness with an anchor knot backed up with a stopper knot. Could also use a figure 8 knot. Will try and get a video make on the knots this winter!
Yeah I think my dynamic line is about 8 feet so that when I tie my bowline I have plenty of tail on even very big trees.
Any concerns about tying those knots in cold weather? I did a little practice this evening but I'm unsure about how that would go when I can barely feel my fingers.
I always use a hand muff when temps get chilly to cold as I dont like wearing gloves or should I say warm thick gloves, i do wear leather or thin mechanic gloves alot hanging the stand. But I would never let my hands get that cold and try to climb down a tree. if i cant undo a knot i surely cant safely climb down and would stay a few more minutes and warm my hands. But with taht hand muff my hands are never cold.
@@SamkoTradBow Thanks for the reply. I really like the knot idea - less clanking possibility and no need to disconnect/girth hitch/reconnect/etc - but I wondered about the cold. I use a muff as well but I know there are times when the fingers can feel a little stiff. Maybe I'm hunting too late into the season, haha!
@@shoejohnmaker definitely keep thos hands warm. Dont try climbing down until you are warmed up. To dangerous.. worth the 5 extra mins to warm up.
I may just have to jump on board with you on this one... but like you, I don' like to fix things that aint broke and I've been using a "Seat-of-the-Pants" harness for a long, long time! But I sure do like light weight, simple, easy, and safe. Maybe time for an upgrade
So far im happy with this new rock harness. But time will tell. Like you i have been using a seat of the pants minimalist harness for 20 years and always loved it. Not its discontinued and I do not like anything else out there in the full body harness. So time to upgrade and so far Im happy.
I really like this
Thanks! I'm excited to use it more, but think I'm gonna love it
Is the rope you’re using able to take a shock load in case you fall?
Yes its sterling dynamic climbing rope
I am going to a setup like this. My only worry is the bowline knot being uncomfortable digging in my back while sitting. Do you run it off to one side or is there another way to avoid this?
Its easy to run it off to the side or down lower. I dont sit with my lower back tight to the tree so it has not been an issue for me so far.
Traditional Bowhunting And Wilderness Podcast do you tie off the tag end of the bowline knot? I’m doing research on it and have read that if there is no tension on the rope and the tag end is not tied off the knot works loose easy.
Thanks for the video Jason! I dabbled in this a little last year, but didn't get to hunt much because of work and my wife's illness. Look forward to trying it out this year!
Excited to hear how it works for ya. Let me know what you think when you use it.
@@SamkoTradBow Will do!
Jason, I like what you are thinking. You got me doing some research for myself. What about a running bowline - Overhand Flip Method, just watched someone using it. I think it might be a better anchor around the tree and easier to use.
here is what I was talking about ua-cam.com/video/NGBqixdubyU/v-deo.html
Yep a running bowline is a fantastic knot only thing is trying to take up the slack for difference size trees and trying to keep the knot from sliding down the tree. Maybe there is a way to do it. Bit I could not figure it out.
Jason, how long of a main rope are you using?
I think its about 8 feet but I need it long for some of the super wide oaks I hunt in. some of the trees i hunt I have to put extensions on my straps on the sticks and stand.
Just what im looking for. You just might have inspired me to make the system ive been looking to buy. Haven't been able to find what I want. Im sure there's a good way to use this as a deer drag as well. I want a linesman's belt/ fall harness/deer drag all in one setup, in earth tones, with all metal components coated to prevent noise. Ty sir, truly appreciate you and the content you put out.....
Thank you. Glad I could help and glad you enjoyed the video.
love it! question would mr tuckers saddle with the adjustable bridge mimic the same concept. if the bridge was close to your body then in theory you could regular stand hunt and saddle hunt with a few adjustments. i like the idea of being able to have both options when im going i blind etc. and i was in the Navy for 4 years and now the Coast Guard for the past 10 and we use a bowline knot for pretty much everything from rigging to search and rescue, by far most versatile and safest knot.
Yes and no. Yes johns saddle would work perfectly but I would tie into both loops that the bridge connects to for use as a fall restraint. The bride would probably hold but saddles are designed to have static weight, not fall arest. So if you tie into both main harness loops with a rope or check even a second strap for safe measure your be good to go in my opinion. I just dont trust stopping a fall with only the single bridge.
Traditional Bowhunting And Wilderness Podcast understood thank you
@@thebluecollarbowhunter360 I'm sure john could very easily add a belay loop on there for you as well so its dual purpose all the time. Dont be afraid to call him if your wondering anything on that saddle.
Traditional Bowhunting And Wilderness Podcast I’m going to do that. Thanks again jason and again thanks for the content.
Traditional Bowhunting And Wilderness Podcast Jason just spoke to John came up with an awesome idea to be able to effectively get the same versatility you show in this video. Plus what a super nice guy John is great to chat with like minded kind people, breath of fresh air man, Thanks again.
Great video Jason! I’ve been using one for 6 years or so now I found it to be easier to stay connected to the tree while using a climbing stand and then I added the linesman’s loops last year for hang on stands. Also no more annoying tether over your head while hunting either.
I am totally going to steal your tether set up. Another thing I do when it’s cold is wear the RC harness on over my walk in clothes. I keep all my outer layers in my pack until I am set in the tree and cooled off. Then, I put my outer bibs or pants on over the harness and then run the tether out the zipper hole. Works, great!
Thanks again for all your content!
Glad you are liking the RC harness as well! Appreciate the tips. Will have to keep that in mind for the cold days.
Thanks for the tribal knowledge guys!
What are you using as your prusik?
Climbing grade webbing loops. Link to them under the video in the text description
Welcome to the rock climbing harness club. I switched from a fullbody harness for the same reasons you stated. Still trying to reduce the weight I carry.
Thanks! I'm excited to give it a shot!
Cool and safe concept to combine a saddle profile for more shooting options off a stand. Have you been looking into the full saddle set ups for mobile hunting?
Thanks. No I dont want to hunt out of a saddle. I dont personally like them. But I like the option to convert to a saddle position if I need or want to.
@@SamkoTradBow thanks, just wondering. A saddle seems like a lightweight option, I'm just not sure if I would like them either and no trade shows to try one up here. Thanks again.
@@whitetailpoet4243 call john at tactisaddle.com he custom makes one of the best saddles out there and can get it out to you quick. He has a no questions asked return policy I'm pretty sure. Lots of people love saddles! I'm just not one of them..lol but you are correct its light and fast and super safe. There is a small learning curve to hunting from a saddle but you will figure it out quickly. Alot of guys love them. And John's newest version is just amazing!
@@SamkoTradBow cool saddle, I like the price compared to other companies. Thanks for the link.
Looks functional for a stick bow hunter but for me as a compound bow hunter I would be more comfortable with the tether running above and behind me to reduce the possibility of cam interference. Like the minimal material though.
Makes perfect sense to me! And other compound shooters will appreciate this comment so they know to test first and see if it works for them. Thank you again!
I use something similar Walter and I find the tether running above me hinders my release arm more then this does. I’ve had zero issues with my compound. Try it you might like it.
This guy is amazing and awesome with his knowledge and skills!! Appreciate it
Thank you
This is pretty much the same setup I've been using, works great best of both worlds.
Glad to hear. I'm excited to use it. I have been pretty stubborn about changing but thing this will be better! Thanks for commenting!
A couple safety thoughts you may already know. Take out all the slack in your anchor to the tree, tucking in any shirt/coat underneath the harness and wearing the harness above the iliac crest on your hips tight enough so you don't slide out if you end up upside down. Great lineman belt mod. Interested in having a conversation about your terrain method.
Great points. Thank you.
I have been using a ultralight rock climbing harness for years. I hardly notice I'm wearing it, and I think it's safer then a normal harness.
I'm new to a rock harness. But just did a podcast (not publishing for a couple weeks) witha professional arborist and he said same thing, and I have heard it before as well. A rock harness is safer than a harness that connects from the shoulders.
@@SamkoTradBow also, if you do fall, you are facing the tree and it is easier to get down instead of just hanging there waiting for help.
@@steveyd101 that was one of Carrys (the arborist) big points as well. Especially for over weight or out of shape or older or younger people without the strength to do the maneuvers with a full harness from the shoulders. Thanks again for the great points!
Absolutely brilliant Jason!
Thank you
Nice! I have been trying to use my rock climbing harness the same way. Need to see tying in closer and slower. TY
Im just using a bowline knot. Its a good strong knot that is easy to undo even after a fall. It also allows me to get my slack and tightness exactly like I want.
Been using something similar past 20 years. Tried the vest and one like your old safety harness but always go back to this system quickly. Another trick if you can lock the stand in place and have the top of your tree stick at the same level as the platform you can walk around the tree enough to 360 shoot, if that makes sense. Yes it does work safety wise, saved me when a stand failed.
Great tips! Greatly appreciated!
Hell yeah, great vid!
Thank you
Seems like more of a hassle than a regular harness and tree strap
For me I won't go back to a full body harness. I'm actually in process of working with tactisaddle.com to build a rock harness for tree stand hunters to my design and specs. Should be available soon
I’d recommend tying the tether line to the tree with a running bowline rather than a standard bowline. That ensure that in the event that you did fall the line couldn’t slide down the tree. Is the standard bowline sufficient, yes, but a running bowline would be even safer. Great video. I run a very similar set up and really enjoy it. Great video.
Thanks. Only thing about a running bowline is it slides down the tree without tension. Unless there is a secret I dont know. Bit when I hang lifelines for my wife and daughter the damn think keeps sliding down. If you have a trick let me know. Thanks!
Put a figure 8 loop in the end of your rope. Attach a carabiner through the loop and flip around tree and clip on line. This avoids tying a bowline every time and is adjustable. It can still be loose though. You can loop the rope in the carabiner or use a prusik loop from the line to the carabiner. Hard to explain without pics. Would be happy to email photos if interested.
@@lloutdoors9516 that's how my old set up was. Worked great but trying to avoid the carabiners and metal on the end of the line. Seems for me it's always clanking on sticks, stand, etc.
Why the need for the sling runner, why not just tie a prusik into some static line?
The sling is small diameter and yet still super strong letting me use 8mm rope as the main tether. I trust the strap better than say a 6mm Prussik.
Thanks for the reply and for the great content. Keep up the good work.
I wished you did some close up video while you were making adjustments with the bowline knot, it was very hard to see in this video!
sorry. The trouble with self filming. But once you make a bowline you will see how easy it is to adjust.
Great vid Jason. I'm using something very similar. You just sparked a few new ideas.
Awesome! Glad you enjoyed it!
It was relatively common for people to sew on various lineman's loops using a sewing awl, with the most popular being the Speedy Stitcher. Be careful when sewing. Most sewing awls, and the Speedy Stitcher definitely, has a cutting style needle (bladed sides). It is like that so that it can get through a variety of materials, including leather. What happens is that with each stitch, you are cutting strands of your webbing. So, as you add stitches to strengthen your join, you are simultaneously compromising your webbing. You can do the following experiment: sew a piece of webbing thoroughly then remove the stitches and inspect with a magnifying glass and see all the small tears. 100 holes in a harness PROBABLY won't do anything bad, even with a short fall, but I don't like putting holes in my safety equipment when it is avoidable.
To avoid this, even a regular sharp needle (not cutting) is better as it may cut but also spreads, but the best is a ball point needle which is recommended for webbing. It parts the strands of the webbing without much or any damage. It is what harness makers use.
Luckily, large sewing machine ball point needles can be "chucked" into a Speedy Stitcher and used in place of the needle that comes with it.
GRat info. I just used a regular #2 needle and it just pushed right thru very easily.
@@SamkoTradBow Sounds good. I just wanted to warn everyone because for a bit a bunch of people were sewing webbing with those cutting needles and then one person chimed in and everyone else had a bit collective "oops" and some threw away their old harness and started over due to it.
Jason, great idea! Years ago I got my drawing arm tangled up and restricted in my full body safety harness and I wasn’t able to make a shot on a huge buck.
Yeah been there. I'm excited to hunt out of this. Practice session have been very well and I'm pumped!
Jason I've experimented w this system and love it. Just gona add for my tether I use an amsteel versa link w a carabinier from tethrd....really light and has multiple links. Really fast for going around branches or using as main tether or lineman
Awesome. I would double check amsteels shock load numbers. I have that same stuff on my quads snowplow and break it a few times each season. Just to be same make sure it's rated for a shock load
This is a pretty slick set up bud. Keep me updated on your thoughts and progress with this system
Will do
Would a saddle, like the Tactisaddle, work in the same way? Thanks for all your great content, Jason!
Yes exactly the same way. John has also had many requests since this video to add a rear tether loop to his saddles and he will do that if you ask him.
@@SamkoTradBow Awesome! I'm going to order one soon. Thanks Jason!
@@tombrennan6583 you will be very happy
I've been using a similar petzl climbing harness like that for several years and love it. Maybe the same one just an older model, not sure. I put mine on before I leave the house when I'm getting dressed. I don't even notice that it's on while walking through the woods.
Glad you love it! I know I'm a little late to the rock harness game, but I'm excited to test it out and really like the benefits! Thanks for commenting!
I want you to fall off the stand 5 to 1 you will flip upside down
Thanks for wanting me to fall. and no I wont flip upside down. maybe learn a bit about a rock harness and how they work.
Love the setup but to much going on for me to figure out! 🥴
Yep takes a second to figure out at first. But now I love it. Still nothing wrong with a simple full body harness!
So you altered the original harness as was tested and approved, you should take this video down before someone’s harness fails because they stitched through the harness and well as altered other climbing gear beyond its approved design
You are basically doing what saddle hunters did before mainstream saddles were marketed - nothing new here. Just skip all this and buy a saddle man!
Saddles cost 3 times as much and I'm not sure saddles are rated for a drop fall they are designed for static constant load
Nah... your lonewolf and safety harness combo probably ran you about $100 less than my saddle-platform. When I hunt from my saddle I remain under tension just about at all times, I cant imagine this drop load your talking about. I've only been saddle hunting for just over 2 years though, so I dont claim to know everything about it.
@@d.s.6772 I ment if I were to use a saddle as a tree stand harness and fall or stand break with slack in the line. Thata the deop I'm talking about. I have 2 of the best saddles ever made. But I prefer a tree stand. Not a fan of saddle hunting. But very glad you have a set up that works great for you! Hunt hard and be safe!
Yes, I agree 100%... Do not use a saddle to replace your harness in a treestand. I meant that you should just saddle hunt.