EV Altec Bucket truck!
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- Hey Everyone!
I know what y'all are thinking... How are we gonna roll up to a city during storm work, that has no power, with an all electric truck! I totally get it, and so do the manufacturers. Thing is, if companies don't start exploring these options, they'll only get left behind. It's an emerging technology that certainly has it's place. An inner city service truck would be ideal... working without that constant rev of a diesel truck would be pretty sweet! The hybrid model however, is much more practical in most applications IMO.💪
Cheers all! have a great weekend!🍻
#Bobsdecline #Lineman #Altec
Hey Everyone!
I know what y'all are thinking... How are we gonna roll up to a city during storm work, that has no power, with an all electric truck! I totally get it, and so do the manufacturers. Thing is, if companies don't start exploring these options, they'll only get left behind. It's an emerging technology that certainly has it's place. An inner city service truck would be ideal... working without that constant rev of a diesel truck would be pretty sweet! The hybrid model however, is much more practical in most applications IMO.💪
Cheers all! have a great weekend!🍻
I don't see these lasting very long!
Id be more worried about working in cold weather than no power issues. Cold weather and Batteries do not mix, as we've been seeing for a while now with EV's, which was mentioned.
@@glitter_fartwhat are you basing that on?
@@Jehty_Reality.
@@glitter_fart thank you for that insightful answer. Really convinced me that you know what you are talking about...
They better make a transformer option so you can attach a line to the mains and charge the truck when it’s on the job. That way if you’re in the middle of nowhere you can keep going.
But what if the mains are disconnected or knocked out 😂
How would that work? I'm picturing something like a pantograph from a trolley, but utility lines aren't exactly suited for that.
I was thinking the same thing... pull into a parking lot and clip on!
@@bm03431Don't forget to unhook!
Or do forget, free job security 😂😂
Even that is impractical. Best option for commercial service vehicles is an EV with diesel generator onboard. Not a hybrid at all, technically it would be called an “extended range EV”.
combine that with something like the Edison hybrid systems/axels... now we got something cool
I was about to say something about them. those guys at Edison are incredible
Yeah they honestly did things right. Making all the main components electric (while maintaining some mechanical backups) and the engine is solely for producing electricity.
Been running hybrid service truck for a little over a year. Works well for the most part but we have had issues in the cold and we ain’t in Canada. Actually had to self rescue a couple of weeks ago when outrigger sensor quit. Working midnights though it’s very quiet other than the alarms for outriggers & backing up are extremely loud. The batteries take up quite a bit of space in the belly of the truck so storage is more limited. Not sure whether they use a team of linemen with some years in the field for their input in design & functionality of these trucks but sure doesn’t seem like it. All in all not terrible but there is work left to do in making them better.
The safety implications of a quieter jobsite are hard to overstate. That's awesome, especially with the hybrid where it's all the advantages of both and none of the downsides of either. Thank you for showing us this!
Honestly, I see this as a truck for the city - downtown, or dense residential areas where you don't want to be sitting there for hours on end spitting diesel fumes into the air. Many cities already have restrictions on truck operations due to noise and pollution. A fully electric truck makes complete sense in this case. You'll still have diesels for your rural areas (or hybrids), but in the city or urban areas, electric makes complete sense - cheaper to operate, easier to drive and electrics excel in the stop-and-go traffic you find in an urban area. It's not just the future, but if the technology can work great in urban areas why not start there? No one said one size has to fit all - which is why we have vehicles on the road from bicycles to semis.
So it makes complete sense to me to offer it. Also - gas pumps don't work without power. During a storm in the city, these trucks can also be stationed around, and with the increasing number of EV chargers, they can be sitting around waiting for a call and still plugged in so while "on call" in the city the crews can remain charged while still having amenities like air conditioning and heating without needing to idle the engine constantly.
Those guys could not have seemed less enthusiastic about the truck
IMO that's a good thing.... kinda. They're aware of the controversy. The creation of the truck is quite an accomplishment, yet they're both aware and seemed pretty honest about its practically for current usage.
@@Bobsdecline I agree. You asked them the hard questions and they were pretty honest about it. Im glad they didn't try to sugar coat the facts with fake enthusiasm.
Nice video man! I'm Working with a posi+ hybrid in Quebec and I JUST LOVE IT!!! A lot quiet and you have all you need!
Just needs an easy way to clip onto the lines for a quick re-charge without a station lol
It makes sense down here in Southern California. I know some utilities have already ordered them. I have not talked to anyone that has worked on one yet.
A very cool vehicle Aaron. Thanks for sharing. I'm sure there are more of these will be seen everywhere.
My Dad witnessed the demise of steam locomotives in the 1930's to 1950's. In the beginning, diesels were only used for small passenger trains, and large freight capacity came later.
You get it!!!!!
trains are electric over diesel over electric for braking purposes@@johnblair8146
We used to build telematics modules for Altec trucks for Alamaba Power, good vehicles.
They just need an input to clamp it to the primary and charge while you're working.
AWSOME video Aaron answered a lot of questions I have about how’s this going to work ‼️👍👊
The company I work for (one of the largest in north east) is planning to go full electric soon. I’m a fleet guy that’s fixed all the broken stuff. This is a hard pill to swallow.
You'll adapt.
Start learning hybrid systems and electrical diag ASAP. Vehicles will still need to be repaired, just not the power plant quite as much and it'll require different repairs.
hybrid always the best. Trucks and cars. Having the electric drivetrain is way better service life than gas.
awesome
Cool stuff that's for sure
It’s pretty cool. And there is definitely good use cases for it.
Something like that is great till you are dealing with a disaster recovery situation.
Bummed I didn’t run into you at the expo. My son (8years old) loves your videos. Great expo. Stay safe!
:/ Maybe next year! Met so many great people there, would loved to have me ya!
You could easily outfit a fleet because you’d set up your own charging at the yard. You’d keep some ICE trucks for longer-range calls based on need. But it’s rare to need to charge fully every day, so I bet you don’t need level 3 charging for all vehicles in the fleet every day.
That was really great ! nice to see electric EV getting into more markets. this is not to replace a Desal bucket truck. it's to add to what we have and help going greener . Better batteries are on the way. it's only the matter of time now. Altec is jumping in now getting the trucks ready. I love how the Bucket is the same on battery. also the Hybrid Desal is great. will run on Biodiesel fuel. I can see putting a level 3 DC charging station in at a substation can be done . some trucks are stored their now. love the quit . how many times linemen out during 3 am engine idle hours at times making storm repairs running gas chain saws . this move to electric is a game changer . not a end all but a great option to have . love how you are keeping up with the change. The new cordless tools are super ! and the lights !
I recently watched a few videos of Edison Motors working on hybrid trucks. I believe they are a Canadian company. Their focus is on the logging industry where the extra torque is a big factor, but total distance is not. They have been working out the details of the fully electric driveline paired with a fair-sized diesel gen set. So far, their tests show double the fuel economy with the option to run fully electric locally or doing yard work. My feeling is the hybrid will win out because of the option to run quiet when necessary, and the idea of double the fuel economy will please the bean counters.
I wouldn’t call the Edison a hybrid, I would call it an “Extended range EV”. Electric primary diesel backup is the best of both worlds. You get the primary fuel savings because it’s EV 90% of the time, and that 10% diesel operation keeps the crews in the field.
It can be charged to 100% at the shop on downtime.
Won't be necessary, battery technology is advancing so quickly range will be doubling or more in two years.
@@brians8664 you are correct in that it's not a true hybrid, but the fact that you can take it on a road trip and double (or more) the typical MPG of a diesel is key here.
My gas f550 with the RH44 Hybrid works pretty well out here on the West Coast. Nice to be able to do most of the work in the quiet. Doing telecom stuff, most of our rigs run off a generator, and its a pain. Looks like Altec has a nice combination as well, but didnt see how it was set up for aux loads.
ALtec is on the top of market they are all ways looking in the future i use altec myself
Well said. Was going to comment about that.
We have a versalift 75’ squirt boom thats a hybrid, i believe a international 4700 cummins? Battery charges in 8 hours with the level 3 and is nice and quiet on jobs, extra boost for the get up n go but thats because its so heavy. Rides like junk(youll need a new back) and has endless problems with the fiber optics, hybrid motor, runs out of battery towards the afternoon if youre using it all day, but the motor kicks on to regen it once its at 10%. All in all i like it, but has been in the garage more than on the road in 5 years
Great now Bucket trucks will be catching on fire
Nice video.
Hope you got Wes's autograph!
Seemed like a cool guy! 😎
It'll be interesting look back on these times in 10 or 20 years. I'm not taking sides 😂
EV’s have been ALL Over the U.S. News. Canada has more Extreme Temperatures than U.S., so it will be Interesting to See the Actual Battery % in Extreme Cold.🤔
Very interesting! I am not totally sold yet. They have the electric trucks moving trailers at some companies. They are having some issues with the electric vehicles. I see them eventually moving into a robotic controlled with no drivers in this situation. The other flip side is the possibility of fire and the whole truck barbeque thing. They have enough trouble with cars. I do see the fuel savings with them. I am sure you loose with the load capacity. Running different fuels could be a pain in the fleet. The diesel engine was great till we had to choke it out of use. The plants still need sulfur to grow. Most like to keep the trucks inside. Would not be good if it burnt down half your fleet and the building. They still got some work. They have to start somewhere. Next, they will put a fire-retardant system on the truck. We used a 70ft boom lift inside a building. It had diesel backup. Which we could not use due to apparently the sleepy time affect. We had to keep it switched off while in the building. The machine would fire up the diesel to charge. We did not get to use it long enough to really make a good judgement. The machine was older. I would want to put it through it paces for a few months. I wonder if you wanted to ditch the batteries can they be removed to keep a perfectly good gas or diesel truck in the fleet. Possibly to have battery packs to run the alternate equipment. Not so much to move the truck. This would help with fuel cost also. Just not sure we are ready for complete electric truck. But sure, could save on the dinosaur bones. I like that these early versions have both mechanicals built into them. I would like to see how someone fleet manages it into jobs. They want us to go to vans that are electric. Great thought but we have a lot of area to cover in our trade. Sometimes I think they become too much of a distraction from the real work at hand. We have enough trouble with our IT department changing things and locking up the computers. Which then we can't get info we need to do jobs. Sometimes things can go sideways enough without distractions. I hope I am not the only one who has days like that. Stay safe out there.
EVs get pretty unfair flack for the starting on fire thing. In the U.S. every year there's 200,000+ highway vehicle fires, and well below 1% are EVs; they're disproportionately low. The media just doesn't bother to report on internal combustion engine (ICE) fires because they're boring and regular. I've never seen an EV on fire in person (yet anyways), but I've seen 3 ICE cars on fire in parking lots over the years. It's not even a highway only issue with ICEs, they also overheat in parking lots when people leave them idling. So keeping perspective is important; there has been no evidence that EVs are more prone to starting on fire, the media just disproportionately reports on them when they do because they get more engagement due to EVs being polarizing. But it is fair to be concerned about the difficulty in putting out EV fires, that is a very real issue but it will get better in time.
Our company wants to bring some vans into our fleet. It does not help their issue of self-combustion. I carry a lot of my own tools not fond of parking near or losing my equipment. Ford can't keep theirs on new lots from cooking up. They need some time to improve. They do have to start somewhere. The fire systems on building will need to keep up and new codes written to keep people safe. Someday parking garages may have to use fire foam. Also not open to outside air. Possibly new auto closing fire doors. I do not see sprinkler systems keeping up. I do not see with the miles and area of coverage how we will work these vehicles in. This seems to be a special tool situation. Also used accordingly. The heating of the batteries reduces range. I have real world issues to deal with other than a vehicle that cannot keep up at this time. Maybe in time they will have their own fire suppression on these cars. Who wants to spend a lot of money on a new vehicle and not store it inside. Some have done it and burnt their house down. I do not know a company that does not part their trucks together. This whole thing will somehow create more work for me in the future. Just waiting to see how it all plays out. @@GOAE7777
Probably the first electric powered vehicle that I’m excited to see. No more noisy diesel engine idle to yell over😂
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We have a few hybrids that use the battery to power the boom and it's really nice not having to yell down so the guys on the ground can hear over the truck.
If your interested in know more about the hybrid squirt boom from Altec with the Ford 550 diesel. A friend & fellow lineman at the same utility I work at was just issued one brand new. His main complaint is there is no place that is waterproof for his climbing gear. The bins are too small. There is a lot of wasted space taken up by the JEMS unit. Plus the bins are no laid out like the way a power company lineman needs them. I see lots of modifications down the road for his truck.
Do you still have the old e-mail Aaron? I’ll forward some pictures I took for you to look at?
"hello dispatch, the electric is out, no I mean the truck" what's the recharge time ? do they come with a gas or diesel generator trailer?
It is a cool technology and a good option for the right situation. You also have to look at the degergation rate of the batteries. You may lose 4 or 5 miles of charge every year. And the price to change out a battery pack in 6 to 8 years may be more the price of the truck.
Aaron, i have been a follower for a long time. Seeing how you have to drive from Province to Province many miles apart in cold weather, this truck is not for you.
I agree! Perhaps the hybrid, but a fully electric definitely wouldn't be practical.
I can see the headline… Mutal aid from neighboring utility company expected to arrive next week, after the power is restored 😂
Hybrid would be great.
My company recently bought their first electric boom truck. Some of the benefits they noted were less noise pollution while working in neighborhoods and less diesel fuel used, leading to savings in fuel costs and also reduced air pollution.
😂 I can see some possibilities . But I do not believe technology has came far enough to make it practical. Where we live . Now down south? Florida, Texas California states like that that do not deal with freezing temperatures and subzero temperatures.. an we all know a diesel or a gasser absolutely does not like the thought of starting at -20 Fahrenheit.. but I do see possibilities, but like I said, we got long ways to go.. but thanks for the ride it was interesting
Is there a weight increase for hybrid and ev trucks compared to diesel?
I'd did ask that, but it was during the 4/5 min where the audio was botched.... I could hear through the static a bit but couldn't hear exact numbers. From what I gathered, the batteries did add some weight
The neat thing about this is that you should be able to "regen boom" just like regen braking, ie you get some of the energy used to lift the boom back when you lower it again, as long as the inverter is designed well and doesn't rely on a damper resistor to absorb all of that.
I imagine the booms are quite standard hydraulic fare with an electric pump, so I doubt there's any regen in play.
@@Monkeh616 you know, that's a good point and I'm not sure what I was thinking. There are obviously hydraulic cylinders on it, not BLDC motors on each section of the boom, you are right
@@kenstein They could attach some sort of turbine on the return oil line to get regen from the hydraulics. But even if it was 100% lossless it wouldn't be worth it because there's just not that much potential energy involved in a lifted boom.
Let’s see here below zero weather that will about halve it’s range just like my F-150 lightning . Remember this last cold snap with all the dead Teslas ? As that one guy said I have a dead robot .
Modular Diesel-Electric Hybrids will be the way to go. Edison Motors is proving that in real time.
2023 expo?
I didn’t operate the one shown in the video sadly but from the operation of one of the other electric ones, they are definitely way quieter than the non electric ones but dont have any towing capability(according to an altec representative as of 9/23).
I’ve also operated a hybrid one not at the expo and think that hybrid(currently) is the best of both worlds with good towing capability, a quieter jobsite, and lower emissions.
Cool video Aaron! What are your practical thoughts on it?
I think the fully electric is neat, but not practical for me personally. The Ford Hybrid it take for sure! Full use of fuel but electric for when the constant noise of the motor running gets annoying.
@@Bobsdecline I agree totally man!
@Bobsdecline I have an F550 service truck with altec GEMS to run the boom, heat and AC. Truck is great, GEMS is honestly junk. Constant problems and will never ever pay for its self in fuel savings.
be great if it charged by induction keep ur bucket rescue rope ready!
This is a bad idea, but go for it! 😆
I’ve been rescued from 3 buckets. All 3 were hybrids.
watching
The hybrid seems like a better idea
im guessing its still a hydraulic boom. would that make it hydro-eletric?
that would be the ability for the hydraulic pump to run on both an electric motor or the engine PTO. In this case it sounds like that pony engine has its own pump and needs to switch over mechanically into that back-up mode.
make it charge on the HV wire while working, very efficient
Yeah! Electric power is out, and you wanna roll out in.... an electric truck?? I get it: you got hours of battery🔋🔋🔋, and boom-work is nothing next to hauling that beast up the hills. Over in the next town they got an Electric Schoolbus. It hauls the hills fine. The driver says if he had to go back to stinky diesel he might quit.
Did I hear him right he said NO DEFROSTER. That is a show stopper in the US if it is a CDL weighted truck. One of the requirements and one of the in cab Pre-trip inspection items is the the Defroster. Also Did hear him say no heat. That sucks.
Now if they would do a bit of colab with Edison Motors
Without even watching the video first, I believe the primary joke “primary LOL“ is that in the event of a battery failure I’m sure these guys have battery cables and an unlimited power supply. Yes yes, it might require climbing, but when you’re out in the middle of nowhere “most of the time“ -It’ll do..
OK, back to the video. 😂😂
There is one thing in life that will happen, change. More EVs to come weather you like it or not.
A good idea when you are using it for power failures. However have a solar power supply with you.
Bad idea especially in the cold weather .
Will your policies require the use of a hot stick when fast charging an electric vehicle? :)
Pre trips gonna be wild now
Cuts down on maintenance costs that are involved with a fuel based system…. Oil changes / air filters ..etc
Fully electric trucks could be deployed but on long hour work like emergency repairs may be they can bring a generator to charge 2 or 3 trucks while working ,instead of having 3 engines running is only one until they can come up with a better system …..they definitely need to start working on solutions for that type of issues
This is another great idea for the Edison hybrid trucks. Waste of time as a solo electric vehicle
So you ask them if a standard charging station works and they say no you need a L2. Wich is a standard charging station 😆
Toyota gets a bit of flak for wanting to fling more hybrids than full EVs, but their point about hybrids being most practical for the majority of people is not only true for the consumer space, but it's also most likely going to be even truer for medium and heavy industry. As it stands today, that full electric International unit would be only good for a street lighting or telco application and that's about it.
Is that with a fully extended boom at 130 miles an hour? 🤣🤣
The input for those D. C. fast chargers would have to operate at 600 volts 3 phase.
Took bad you can't hook in the truck to the 1 kV line you are working on.....lol
what about draging a trailer how will it do with that
interesting video! but these vehicles are not 100 electric, are they? Does it have a diesel heater for cabin heating? drive a Renault Kangoo van myself (Europe) and the heat is terribly bad and takes a long time before it starts at full heat. it takes a long time to get the windows frost-free.
Is that the older Kangoo or a recent one. The older ones are so compromised, modern EVs are much, much better, especially if you have heated windscreens etc.
@@ramdynebix old ? it is from 2019. possible new EV has better heat
Would you be able to tow a charger that could feed off of 7200 VAC and convert it to ~480VDC? Assuming that's what the truck is if not 1kVDC or something. If this was possible could you maybe go down the road outside the problem area with good power and charge there, maybe just 1 truck short and could get a ride back from your team if it's not necessary and just a commuter to the site. Could be useful while enroute to far range calls without existing charging infrastructure. The other truck with the backup generator to get it up to 40% from 20% is interesting. I think Chevrolet was far premature discontinuing the Volt with the Bolt unfortunately.
I could see that being a piece of junk in the field battery dies when you’re up in the bucket not good diesel might be better options
I see that they blocked my comments, I guess you guys only want to hear one side of the story on this Infomercial!
You would think they would design it so you could charge it at any
At any power pole or
There’s no replacement for displacement …
2:14 but level 2 is standard, level 2 is a domestic 7-22kw 240v AC home charger. Yes a 150-350kw DC super charger would be quicker.
But that is true for every EV.
If the battery is 200kwh. That woukd take about 24 hours to do a 20 to 80% charge on a 7kw charger. About 8 hours on a 22kw charger.
About 90 minutes on a 150kw DC charger
Or about 60 minutes on a 250kw charger.
That's mode 2 or usually 3 - IEC standards, with 3-phase. NA are special (as ever). I believe he was referring to the NEC standard, which gets you a paltry 32A at 240V (7.68kW).
@@Monkeh616 7.68kw would take you from 20% to 80% in about 24 Hours. Yes I know not good enough to fill between working days. But a 22kw three phase supply would give you an 80% charge over night.
@@Monkeh616 32 amps is the most common size in the consumer market but bigger is available. 40 amp J1772 chargers are fairly easy to find and work great on 50 amp circuits. The standard supports up to 80 amps which is more than passenger cars can use but this truck likely can.
@@eDoc2020 NEC level 2, which I was referring to, is only 32A. SAE indeed goes up to 80A, which is still a fairly pathetic 19.2kW, and indeed most cars for the US market don't have onboard chargers capable of handling that power - oh for 3-phase..
@@Monkeh616 I didn't know there was a separate "NEC" charging standard. The lower maximum voltage is more of an issue than the lack of three-phase. It would be nice if the North American standard supported 480 and/or 600 volt charging because those are common voltages for industrial locations. It would make public charging banks much more practical.
We have been told about this for the uk. 64 movements is all we'd have before the batteries are done😂😂
Listen you can clam the pool and get some juice two c charge your battles
wear your ppe while operating these trucks and they won't be around for long. The maintenance will be expensive.
He said 135 miles on a charge. That would be great if you stayed local, but I'd hate to have it run down out in the middle of nowhere.
I suppose if you had a generator on the back of the truck to charge it with, then it might be okay!😂😂😂
That's basically what the hybrid version would do.
not every truck needs to go long distances into the wilderness. this would be perfect for local city work.
@@protowave yeah, my second sentence mentioned that.
Enmax here in Alberta has a goal to have a 100% electric fleet by 2030. I think it will be a pretty tough sell considering how the tech is still in the infant stage.
135 miles? But what about the crews that have to drive sometimes thousands of miles to assist after natural disasters. Tornadoes, hurricanes, floods and others. When quick response is needed I really cannot imagine these trucks having to stop after 135 miles to recharge. It’s nothing but insanity to expect that to work. And if we all became totally dependent upon electricity what would happen in affected areas? Where do they expect to recharge the trucks when the entire grid is inoperable.
Generators are a thing, which yes defeats some of the purpose of an EV if or when you need to use one to charge it. And yeah, EVs, especially one that can only go 135 miles on a charge, are not for cross-state assistance. They're clearly targeting local operations, and not replacing 100% of the fleet tomorrow. It's silly to expect that no new technology should be permitted to come out if it is worse in a single category, I think you have a somewhat unfair expectation for this truck.
@@GOAE7777 I don’t have unfair expectations for these trucks when the climate crazies want to eliminate carbon fuels. Totally eliminate them. Look at what craziness Gavin Newsome is doing in Commiefornia. How do you run a generator without fuel.
International can’t build a combustion engine can only imagine how many problems there will be with that pos
"You'd need a DC Fastcharger and the infrastructure is nil to none right now..."... oh really.. Must be where they are... and hate to break it to him, but level 2 is normal EV charging.. the only people that use level 1 (plug in a wall outlet) is people in apartments, staying at cheap hotels and people that don't want to use chargers out in the world, install anything and so on. I've owned 4 EVs over the years, never had any issues charging/finding charging. Yes, it wasn't a big utility truck, but I think if your employer (who oh, i dunno is the local utility company for example) can install level 3 charging back at the yard... These 2 guys are just debbie downers about it. I've seen the like.
Back in the yard doesn't help if you end up low on charge out of range of the yard. Lack of widespread charging infrastructure does limit the effective operational range of these quite severely.
@@Monkeh616 I agree with that, but I disagree with the lack of charging infrastructure. Maybe it's just me having lived in not far out areas for the timeframes I've owned EVs. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@sorphin The infrastructure is wildly variable. Looking at one area of the US I've been in recently, there are DC charging options every.. 30-40 miles? Not great, especially if you're limited to that 30-40 miles as an operational radius and have to drive the wrong direction to get to one. You don't have to go far afield from that area to find gaps of 60+ miles between any sort of DC charging capability. An EV truck like this just isn't very practical around those areas, not at the rate of work they currently get out of one truck and its crew, and there's a lot of them.
It's improving, but it's not there yet for rural areas. Also, having just looked at my local rates.. diesel's cheaper than the DC stations around here. That's a minor convenience tax for a car charged primarily at home, an added operating cost on top of a more expensive platform for a company. Private infrastructure of course cuts that cost, but adds the cost of installing and maintaining it. And you'd better hope it's working when you roll up to use it.
Only single rear axle like phone or cable company trucks !
Most tool and equipment space lost to batteries , even said wouldn't have distance to go back to shop for tools . Would need another truck hauling what you need for the work call ? ?
That will be useless on storm and cold weather.
Love your vids man but no EV’s for me.
Hydrogen fuel cells would lend themselves better than batteries in this application.
JUNK, Good luck selling that unit when its been ragged out by a lineman. I damn sure wouldnt buy it after a tree guy, not that any would be interested.
Hmmm don't know about this???🤔
The problem that I can foresee so far is that those trucks may not have enough battery to handle a heavy day of use. Yes it may work for most work, but get a single complicated job and it will run out of battery. And unlike gas/diesel, you can't charge it back within minutes. And if things goes really wrong and they can't move the truck for some reason and it run out of fuel, you can always refuel it with jerry cans. You can't do that with battery powered. Even if you were to bring a generator on site to charge it back, it would take a few hours, and needs to be turned off before charging. With gas/diesel, even if it is not recommended due to the fire risk, in reality you could very well refill while the engine is on. But even if you do need to turn it off, it would be for max 5 minutes. Not the few hours for the battery one.
Also, cold winter and very hot summer are very problematic for battery operated vehicules. Which also limit their applications.
But they do have their place, if they can handle a full day of light work. And I have no doubts that they can.
But the problem is the price. You can most likelly buy 2-3 diesel trucks for the price of one electric one. In 10 years the battery will be dead, and it will cost almost the same price as a new truck to replace. The diesel one will still work fine in 30 years with regular maintenance.
I personally do not believe that the solution is full electric, but plugin hybrid. They can also go with a smaller diesel engine in them. Heck, instead of a let's say 200hp engine, you probably can get away with a 75HP generator. Why? When driving you use power mainly to accelerate. On deceleration they can use regenerative braking to recover part of that energy (to charge the battery) then they can use the battery to accelerate back the vehicle. When in steady speed you need a relativelly low amount of power, which allow the generator to charge the battery for the next acceleration.
Those trucks stand idle most of the time, with their engine idling. It is very inneficient! A plugin hybrid would run on battery until it start to be too low, then the engine start and run at it's peak efficiency to charge the battery, then shut off. For idling, you can easilly save 10 times the amount of fuel. While driving about half.
And those plugin hybrid don't need a big battery, which drop the price ALOT. And the smaller engine cost less too.
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Millions of people commuting around town? Fine, go all electric. Professional workers needing motive power and working power for a full shirt or long haul? Stick with something that will last and stop worrying about pure electric.
EV's are going to fail, that far up north.. As other people have found out!
This is NOT a good idea....economic-wise or environmentally (overall it's gonna cost thousands upon thousands of dollars for charging stations and then to these type vehicles produce so much pollution to mine the raw materials and manufacture the batteries alone) and it's gonna need to be charged from a fossil fuel based power source 9 tines outta 10 and EVs do horribly in very cold weather. The range in emergency situations where you'd wanna be in the field for hours upon hours these things are incredibly limited. And guess what happens if the battery gets damaged or suffers water ingress? And then there's the potential repair or replacement factor which is inevitable for heavy duty utility vehicles at one point or another.
This EV push is NOT a good idea; as an experiment, maybe a hybrid option, perhaps, but all out EV....a horrible idea across the board; NOT worth it
Thank you...I am glad I am not the only one who feels this way...I personally don't like the idea of everyone paying more in utility cost to upgrade the electric distribution system to support EV's.
@@grandinosour my friend, that's a whole other aspect I didn't bother to mention earlier.
You're absolutely right. These type costs get passed onto the consumer on all sides, and it's NOT necessary in the least.
I look at things through a practical lens and this one just seems totally unnecessary as it now stands. Again, hybrids, maybe, but a full EV as a utility truck. No.
Keep the fire in the wires👊
But doesn't petroleum oil cost millions if not billions of dollars per year to extract and refine? It's fair to criticize the range and charge times, but come on, how do you expect new vehicles to magically require no raw resources?
@@GOAE7777 objectively look at what goes into mining the raw materials and manufacturing of "renewable" products like solar panels, wind mills and batteries (for solar) and then we can talk. Particularly the rarer ones that are actually toxic for ALL life and leave behind literally tons of even more toxic byproducts and waste that are NEVER disposed of as they ought. Not to mention a ginormous percentage of the waste that you might believe is recycable, is, in fact, NOT.
I'm intimately involved in this apparatus and I'm telling you that the whole "conveyer belt" of a process from the mines to assembling pollutes way, way more compared to extracting conventional (and process) crude and natural gas, of which have benefitted from tech advancements and are cleaner now more than EVER to make ready for use.
Furthermore, renewable energy, as it now stands, doesn't pack the same output perimeters of conventional fuel sources and to spite popular belief, these systems still require expensive maintenance and repairs.
It's just NOT worth it. What we ought to be doing moreso is putting WAY more effort into cleaner forms of natural energy sources like hydrogen, which sadly has its drawbacks, but are way less expensive than this renewable route that has been trodded.
This whole debate is a cat and mouse things, but sadly in time, the real truths and studies will tell ALL and by then, it'll be much too late to reverse much of the damage done in the name of "renewable energy" at a much, much higher cost (intrinsically speaking) than ALL the oil spills in human history.