RUNOUT DRILL SYSTEM (RDS) … A New Way to Practice, Teach, and Learn
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- Dr. Dave demonstrates a new progressive and adaptive approach to practice, teach, and learn pool. RDS consists of a set of 16 break-and-run challenges of increasing levels of difficulty. Here's a brief description of each level along with associated playing-ability ratings:
Intro [0:00]
1 - 6 balls, pocket OBs directly with no CB - lower novice [2:24]
2 - 6 balls, any order, BIH on every shot - mid novice [3:00]
3 - 6 balls, any order, 3 extra BIHs - upper novice [3:41]
4 - 6 balls, any order, 2 extra BIHs - lower beginner (D-) [4:37]
5 - 6 balls, any order, 1 extra BIH - mid beginner (D) [5:24]
6 - 7 balls (3 solids, 3 stripes, 8), 8-ball rules, 1 extra BIH - upper beginner (D+) [6:20]
7 - 9 balls, any order, 1 extra BIH - lower intermediate (C-) [7:06]
8 - 9 balls (4 solids, 4 stripes, 8), 8-ball rules, 1 extra BIH - mid intermediate (C) [7:58]
9 - 15 balls, any order, 2 extra BIHs - upper intermediate (C+) [9:29]
10 - 6 balls, in order - lower advanced (B-) [10:52]
11 - 15 balls, any order - mid advanced (B) [12:09]
12 - 15 balls, 8-ball rules - upper advanced (B+) [13:22]
13 - 9 balls (4 solids, 4 stripes, 8), 8-ball rules, remaining balls in order - lower shortstop (A-) [14:27]
14 - 9 balls, 9-ball rules - upper shortstop (A) [15:20]
15 - 15 balls, 8-ball rules, remaining balls in order - semipro / pro (A+/AA) [15:56]
16 - 15 balls, in order - world class pro (A++/AAA) [17:57]
Wrap-Up [19:51]
Detailed instructions can be here:
billiarduniversity.org/docume...
CORRECTIONS:
- At 12m55s, I edited out the 2-ball shot by accident. FYI, it was just a simple roll shot forward to get to the 7.
- For Levels 6 and 8, "1 extra BIH" was added after this video was posted. The RDS document and level list above have the corrections.
Supporting Resources:
- Billiard University (BU) Playing Ability Exams: billiarduniversity.org/testin...
- BU Exam IV Runout Drills System (RDS) document: billiarduniversity.org/docume...
- BU Exam IV log sheet: billiarduniversity.org/docume...
- BU Rating Comparison Table: billiarduniversity.org/docume...
- various player rating systems: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/r...
- Online Pool Tutorial: billiards.colostate.edu/tutor...
- cling/skid/kick: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/t...
- Video Encyclopedia of Eight Ball (VEEB): drdavebilliards.com/videos/8-...
- Video Encyclopedia of 9-ball and 10-ball (VENT): drdavebilliards.com/videos/vent/
- System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS): drdavebilliards.com/videos/saws/
- Video Encyclopedia of Pool Practice (VEPP): drdavebilliards.com/videos/vepp/
- Dr. Dave practicing 15-ball rotation: • Dr. Dave practicing 15...
- Bob Jewett’s July, 2020 BD article describing the original system: billiards.colostate.edu/bd_ar...
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*CORRECTIONS:*
- At 12m55s, I edited out the 2-ball shot by accident. FYI, it was just a simple roll shot forward to get to the 7.
- For Levels 6 and 8, "1 extra BIH" was added after this video was posted. The RDS document and level list above have the corrections.
*Table of Contents:*
Intro [0:00]
1 - 6 balls, pocket OBs directly with no CB - lower novice [2:24]
2 - 6 balls, any order, BIH on every shot - mid novice [3:00]
3 - 6 balls, any order, 3 extra BIHs - upper novice [3:41]
4 - 6 balls, any order, 2 extra BIHs - lower beginner (D-) [4:37]
5 - 6 balls, any order, 1 extra BIH - mid beginner (D) [5:24]
6 - 7 balls (3 solids, 3 stripes, 8), 8-ball rules, 1 extra BIH - upper beginner (D+) [6:20]
7 - 9 balls, any order, 1 extra BIH - lower intermediate (C-) [7:06]
8 - 9 balls (4 solids, 4 stripes, 8), 8-ball rules, 1 extra BIH - mid intermediate (C) [7:58]
9 - 15 balls, any order, 2 extra BIHs - upper intermediate (C+) [9:29]
10 - 6 balls, in order - lower advanced (B-) [10:52]
11 - 15 balls, any order - mid advanced (B) [12:09]
12 - 15 balls, 8-ball rules - upper advanced (B+) [13:22]
13 - 9 balls (4 solids, 4 stripes, 8), 8-ball rules, remaining balls in order - lower shortstop (A-) [14:27]
14 - 9 balls, 9-ball rules - upper shortstop (A) [15:20]
15 - 15 balls, 8-ball rules, remaining balls in order - semipro / pro (A+/AA) [15:56]
16 - 15 balls, in order - world class pro (A++/AAA) [17:57]
Wrap-Up [19:51]
Supporting Resources:
- Billiard University (BU) Playing Ability Exams: billiarduniversity.org/testing/exams/
- BU Exam IV Runout Drills System (RDS) document: billiarduniversity.org/documents/BU_Exam-IV_Runout_Drill_System.pdf
- BU Exam IV log sheet: billiarduniversity.org/documents/BU_Exam-IV_Historical_Log.pdf
- Online Pool Tutorial: billiards.colostate.edu/tutorial/
- cling/skid/kick: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/throw/cling/
- Video Encyclopedia of Eight Ball (VEEB): drdavebilliards.com/videos/8-ball/
- Video Encyclopedia of 9-ball and 10-ball (VENT): drdavebilliards.com/videos/vent/
- System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS): drdavebilliards.com/videos/saws/
- Video Encyclopedia of Pool Practice (VEPP): drdavebilliards.com/videos/vepp/
- Dr. Dave practicing 15-ball rotation: ua-cam.com/video/WkHiRBvutiw/v-deo.html
- Bob Jewett’s July, 2020 BD article describing the original system: billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/jewett_july_2020_runrack_drill.pdf
Awesome!
I was wondering if more exams were to come!
I will accept the challenge! Thanks again Dr. Dave.
Great videos again!
CORRECTION: At 12:55, I edited out the 2-ball shot by accident. FYI, it was just a simple roll shot forward to get to the 7.
@@ericpoolguysimpson2954 We don't have plans for more BU Exams, but I think the current set (BU Exams I-IV) are already very complete in variety and what they cover. For those interested, more info and demonstrations can be found here:
billiarduniversity.org/testing/exams/
@@DrDaveBilliards oh i agree!
I am aiming for my Doctorate.. however seem to come just short!
These exams are great! Will post soon again!
Great work with your videos!
“It would be silly to not take the ball and hand, but I decided to be silly” hahahahahaha 😂👏👏👏
I is better to not be silly when playing pool (that is, if you want to win).
Exactly what I was looking for! I’ve just been playing myself in 8 ball acting as both myself and my opponent. I’m excited to try this!
Have fun with RDS. Also give PPC a try:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/drill/ppc
This is fantastic! I always prefer practicing real-world scenarios rather than repetitive drills, but having this system will combine the best of both worlds for me! Thank you Dr. Dave!
I'm glad you like it. I do too.
I really like this as it provides real, in game, scenarios for a player to practice! I'm definitely going to have to see if I can make a video out of this with one successful continuous attempt at all levels! Thanks DrDave!!!
Awesome Chris, I look forward to seeing you video. FYI, we describe a scoring system you can use for such a run through. Here's the pertinent excerpt from the supporting document:
"An alternative RDS format is a scored approach, where you start with 100 points and attempt to run one rack at each level, deducting points left on the table after each miss or foul."
We might do a future BU Exam Challenge featuring this approach.
FYI, here's the document with all instructions and diagrams:
billiarduniversity.org/documents/BU_Exam-IV_Runout_Drill_System.pdf
He only moved the cur ball, for his first BIH.
You're one of the most disciplined instructors in the game. I can always find something I need to work on within the first couple minutes of your videos. Thanks Doc
I'm glad to hear it. Thanks for the comment, and good luck with your game.
Cool. I printed this out and have started it. What a great system. I've never been able to run a table...not that I've practiced enough really, but this system gives me a solid path to follow. I'm having fun and laughing at the fact that I'm a "lower beginner". Humbling, and true.
I’m glad to hear you like RDS and plan to use it. I find it fun and motivating also.
This drill made me realize how bad I am at pool
... then it is a good drill to work on. Also, keeping track of your level/score over time will help you monitor your improvement over time.
Very fun progressive system. I found my place between 9 and 8. It's humbling to see what it takes to be a great shot at the end of your cue. Thank you for making this!
I'm glad you like RDS. I like it a lot too!
I tried this today and I thought it was a great way to practice. Made it to level 5. I'm a lower level player so finding drills that are challenging but not so difficult that they are frustrating isn't easy. I'll definitely make this a regular part of practice.
I’m glad you like RDS. I hope you will continue to enjoy and benefit from it as you improve.
Dr Dave excited: “Woo hoo, I finally got shape on the 10.”
Thank you very much. I look forward to reviewing and learning new skills. I particularly enjoy rds. It will change my practice, which I've picked back up after 26 years away from the table.
RDS is a great practice tool, providing many “learning opportunities.” And it’s fun.
Man. That 15 ball runout was legendary!!
Thanks! There was some skill there, but there was also a little luck mixed in.
DrDaveBilliards For sure. I’ve tried 16 many atime and always just resumed if I missed. But I am definitely looking forward to trying out this new system. It seems like it has the potential to test out my skills on a broad range of difficulty levels. To get a 16 runout though is what I’ve always wanted to do. Hopefully I’ll be able to climb the ladder with this system though!!
@@GoldenGrub That 16 is tough! I once spent several days straight on this. Here are my best efforts:
ua-cam.com/video/WkHiRBvutiw/v-deo.html
@@DrDaveBilliards Dave, do you think the 8-foot table makes 15-balls in rotation easier or more difficult? Individuals shots are easier but there's more traffic and chance of clusters.
This is an awesome drill! I look forward to working this out. I'm trying to get back into pool again, and feeling really rusty! Lol. Thanks for all the vids!
You're welcome. RDS is the perfect drill to "get back into pool" and have fun doing it.
That was undoubtedly the best drill video I have seen. Following the progression can't help but make me a better player. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and experience with is wannabes.
Wow! I'm glad you liked it so much. Have fun with RDS! I hope it helps you improve as a player.
Thanks Dr. Dave, you always bring the challenge! I like that you and Bob promote progressive drills. I appreciate the time you dedicate to giving back to the game.
You're welcome ... and thank you. We aim to swerve. :)
If you are a beginner, you can solve even those intermediate challenges just by using more brain power and watching how pros play 8/9 ball while solving the pool puzzle before they make their shots. You can even get better at running out by playing pool on your phone or pc. For example you can complete the level 9 (upper intermediate) with basic shots and your aim and precision has a bit of room for error, but you have to think beforehand. Knowing Dr. Dave's video on 10 position commandments and playing the Brain Wash drill makes these drills much more easier. Where I personally find true difficulty is the Mighty X drill, this is hard and serious work that will test your limits of precision, focus, consistency. Non the less, thank you Dave for your great contribution to this wonderful game, I have joined a local league in Warsaw, Poland and every player knows your videos, tips and tricks!
Well stated. I’m happy to hear Polish players appreciate and benefit from my stuff. Maybe that’s why the polish pro are so strong in recent years! 🤓
Obviously, I’m kidding, but it is fun to take a little undue credit at times. 😳
This is exactly what I needed to challenge myself. I hit wall and this got me fired up to really start playing again. Thank you!!
I'm glad to hear it. Have fun, and good luck.
This a great way to learn. I have been playing 8 ball with my youngest kid letting him just shoot the balls in .until the eight the I line up a straight in shot for the win everybody has fun! Thanks Dr Dave!
I'm glad you like RDS. I also like the game idea you have for your kid. Sounds perfect. Maybe your kid can enjoy RDS at some point too.
Fantastic practice drills! I love how they are progressive, and suits any level. I also love how fun it is. :D Thank you! Edit: I should say thank you also for taking the time to not only show your run-outs but also how you show where you are hitting the CB so we can set up positions and try and copy what you did. Cheers!
You’re welcome. I’m glad you like it.
Thank you for the system. I will add it to my practice routine.
You're welcome. I hope you enjoy and benefit from RDS. I have.
I already did a few of these but this whole system is great. Thank you
Awesome!
I was wondering if more exams were to come!
I will accept the challenge! Thanks again Dr. Dave.
Great videos again!
We don't have plans for more BU Exams, but I think the current set (BU Exams I-IV) are already very complete in variety and what they cover.
Well THANK you Dr Dave and THANK YOU Bob Jewett. This looks like an excellent way to TEACH or LEARN pool.
It is similar, but much more detailed and evolved, than the system Willie Mosconi used to teach us at the YMCA when I was a kid! ( I know, that shows how old I am!) We had a lot of fun with this and it really helped. Excellent system, Excellent explanation and demonstration! Very well thought out! Now, I can forward this to my WIFE is is FINALLY learning pool as she approaches retirement! I guess it makes sense that two engineers with LONG LONG experience teaching and playing pool would develop such a well-graded system. It's the Scientific Method and engineering logic applied to the greatest game ever conceived.
Well stated. Thank you, and you're welcome. We aim to swerve. :)
This is awesome! Could be the new standard for practice! I can see this really helping,and challenging players of all skills
Thanks. I agree that it might see widespread use. I hope so.
I like this new system a lot. Gives you a concrete system to determine your level of skill! Can’t wait to try
Good luck, and have fun. I really enjoyed working through these when I was filming.
Cool system! I went to try it out at my local club after seeing this. I normally practice just running racks anyway, and I was surprised how low a level I was at, but it's great to practice in a way that doesn't feel like a drill, but still has an end goal and requires you to concentrate and think about shots. Thanks for the showcase, and your tips helped out too :D
I like you well-stated summary of why RDS is good. I agree, and I'm glad you like it.
Thank you for teAching us ! I am an older player . Used to play a lot when I was younger. Now I am looking at getting back in to shooting pool . Thank you for your channel !
You’re welcome! I aim to swerve. :)
Good luck with your game!
This is beyond fabulous.
I'm going to use introduce it this week in a session with a bunch of fourth graders who are learning to play. The break shot would be too hard for them, so I'll ask them to help me break, so they can watch and learn.
Great idea. RDS is fun for all level of player from young complete novice to pro.
Thanks for the video. Will practice.
You're welcome. Good plan.
Nice drill Dr. Dave. Thank you.
Thank you, and you’re welcome.
I love this system, thank you!
I'm glad you like it. I do too, for players of all levels. I also like the RDS 100 scored version:
ua-cam.com/video/c2skiKoQzEI/v-deo.html
It is a fun challenge. Give it a try.
Genius i cant wait to try this once i get a table
I hope you enjoy and benefit from RDS. I sure have.
Thanks Dr Dave appreciate that greatly will be trying the all the racks
I hope you have fun with and benefit from RDS. I have.
Really enjoy ur lessons. Thanks a ton!
I'm glad to hear it. You're welcome!
I can't wait to try this out once pool halls open again. I've done the BU exams and they were interesting and useful, but a bit tedious to set up. I love the simplicity of this system.
Agreed. Simpler and more fun. Although, dedicated skill drills are also useful and important.
@@DrDaveBilliards I agree completely. I think this is a good way to quickly measure overall progress. The BU exams are a good way to diagnose specific problem areas to work on.
@@VinayPai Well stated.
Very good shooting!! First time watching, good information!!
Thanks. If you want to see better shooting and give the RDS 100 Challenge a try, check out the videos and info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/drill/rds/
And if you are new to my channel, check out some of my best videos here:
ua-cam.com/play/PLH9d4KFY28XtWHkg5DKDUfpbI0ry48bsr.html
Love, nice progressive twist to playing the 8 ball and 9 ball ghost! Thank you!!
... with some straight pool thrown in. You're welcome.
@@DrDaveBilliards Ahhh, 14.1, my #1 favorite practice game...... :)
This is pure gold yet again, as always! I'm going to save this and use the system once I finally get my own pool table at home next week. I'm in England and its a 7"x 4" 8-ball table so I can see a lot of traffic in my future on the higher levels! Plus I won't have the large open pockets but it'll be a great challenge. Great video, thank you 😊
You're welcome. FYI, I have more info and videos dealing with RDS here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/drill/rds/
Enjoy!
@@DrDaveBilliards thank you so much, your videos are priceless even to an experienced player 🙌 I'v actually gone and downloaded the RDS drill sheet to my tablet so I can work on it 🥳
Your music sounds like the intro to The Shining Dr. Dave hahaha. It gets me hyped up though!
"Here's Johnny." "Redrum." I love that movie.
Thanks Dr. Dave
You're welcome.
thank you this is a great exam!
You're welcome. I like it too. I find it a fun and motivating challenge to try to beat my previous best score. I won't give up until I get the elusive 100.
From Metro Detroit...Thank you Dr. Dave!
From Fort Collin .. You're welcome!
Great stuff doc!!! I will have to give it a go!! STAY SAFE
Thanks! Have fun with RDS.
Awesome drill
Thanks. The RDS 100 version is fun too. Check it out:
ua-cam.com/video/c2skiKoQzEI/v-deo.html
Another good one doc! Keep them coming
Thanks. I plan to.
Recently, It appeared logical to make shooting of the cue ball an exercise in center ball training. So, I recommend to a new student that he use a striped ball as his cue ball and shoot it as in MOFUDAT. It helped.
Using a stripe with MoFUDAT is most definitely helpful:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/drill/mofudat/
Thanks so much for this. I just ran level 7, but I made the 8 ball on the break. So I ran the stripes first then solids.
Under standard WPA 8-ball rules, you have the option to spot the 8 or re-rack after pocketing the 8 on the break.
Nice Video Dr. Dave
Thanks!
Thank You. Great drill.
You're welcome. Check out the scored RDS 100 version also. It is fun and a good challenge:
ua-cam.com/video/c2skiKoQzEI/v-deo.html
Love new drills!
I'm glad to hear it. RDS is fun (and helpful).
At 12:55 I thought you cheated and used an extra BIH. But I knew you wouldn't cheat. The 2 ball just disappeared! /s. Great video as always. Thanks Dr D.
Oops! I edited out that shot by accident. If you are curious, it was just a simple roll shot forward to get to the 7.
Brilliant!
Thanks!
Thanks for the drill, sounds interesting I will try it, after I can get back to a table, after this covid19 restriction's are over. It seems to me It might help getting back in stroke sooner. I use Efren's drill on 15 balls and run them in order, once I miss I start over(he would use two racks, I don't have that kind of speed) I like this one, It's progressive. thanks Dr. Dave!!
I'm glad you like it and I hope you get to try it soon. This COVID thing really sucks.
Great system, I've discovered the best one to practice is level 15, as you get practice in 8 ball and 9 ball at the same time. The variations do feed in to your normal game as well.
Agreed. That's one of my favorite games to play when I am practicing run-outs.
@@DrDaveBilliards And spot on break advice on 8 ball racks, the balls fly towards the pockets exactly as you describe
"But I decided to be silly 😜" dude your channel is the best
Thanks!
Great video Dave. I'll be doing these type practice sessions. I'm still struggling with my draw shots, in practice I do them well. But against a competitor I pop the ball in the air ans other problems. I try to keep my tension on the cue relaxed but still seem to have problems with draws. You have a great draw technique.
Have fun with RDS. FYI, if you want to improve your draw shot, lots of advice is available in the videos and other info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/draw/advice-and-drills/
Definitely going to do this my next visit to the pool hall.
Try out RDS 100 also:
ua-cam.com/video/c2skiKoQzEI/v-deo.html
Enjoy!
Tops! I use the 15 ball notation.... Rotation is the wrong word publised in an 1800's pool book. Except I added kick the nine (rack 9-10 behind 15 ball in the center) bank the 10. Straight run 11 to 15 miss. two rail shot to the 15. I make insane kicks... but the other great achievements is constantly looking for the win of a combo shot for the 15 ball. Of course it's a 1 second game if you make the 15 on the break like eight ball so your practicing that too. My nick name is "One Ball." Karl. It is so funny to watch those who never practice this miss combo shots and I make 16' or 18' foot shots with another ball into the 9 in a nine ball game and win the game. I get so huffy-guff of how I am taking risk it is incredible. I just tell them it is just a SHOT!!! Often I get a no miss player and I win the game in seconds and then the try to imitate me by doing the same. No practice, I say, when the miss!
Oh right ball goes in the back of the rack in the center.
eightball not right ball, Android corrections ug
Another zinger from Dr. Dave!
Thanks! I assume a "zinger" video is good. :)
@@DrDaveBilliards Absolutely! Your videos have been very formative in the development of my pool game, so they're all zingers in my books.
Love it!
Me too!
your vids have helped me tremendously. sadly without owing a table it's really tough to keep up with frequent practice on charged tables in public, but with enough time and correct application of your principles one can do wonders
I'm glad to hear you have benefited from my stuff. Good luck with your game.
I'll be using a few of these, maybe modified slightly. I definitely could see how doing ones like # 15 adds a couple of degrees of extra challenge, therefore increasing your run-out capability. I am a wheelchair pool player. I have been told I'm good but I've still yet to break and run in 9 ball. I do need to standardize a practice routine though so maybe this would be good for me. I appreciate your concise and informative billiard videos, by the way. You have taught me a lot, and my game has improved because of it.
I'm glad to hear it. Continued good luck with your game.
I know what you mean, the 9b break and run can be elusive. I think it's really inspiring to hear you getting to such a level playing in a wheelchair because that's truly an admirable feat. This game is so dang hard. Cheers to you 🎉
Drill 15 is how I have always practiced before league matches. Its a lot of fun.
That's one of my favorite warm-up games also.
Great video dave plan on trying this with my girlfriend and hopefully we both improve. Apa level 5 and 2 here.
Thanks. RDS should be fun for you guys to practice together.
Love the idea, wish I had thought of it... :) Will definitely do this myself once my shoulder heals from surgery, probably starting with level 11 or 12 since the ones before that are pretty easy for a better player. I'm pretty sure I would be able to complete level 15 fairly consistently but completing 16 consistently is tough, and if you get bumped down then completing 15 to go back up on the first try could be tough depending on how the table breaks as well. Good exercise to start a little lower and maintain focus to complete the drills you think you can do most of the time to get to the tougher ones. I can already envision it from my couch... :)
This is a great progressive drill for my students as it works for all level of play, I like the logical progression and immediately see the linear progression in difficulty, will definitely point my students to this drill. I already recommend the BU drills to many of them either as a whole or point them to specific exercises.
Very nice job (as always) - thanks for sharing!!!
Thanks. I'm glad you like it, and I hope your students do also.
Hope recovery is going according to plan!
What shoulder surgery did you have?
@@jasonrobinson6525 Went in for labrum repair but once they were in I had full labrum tear, Bankart lesion repair, and a full tear rotator cuff. Also lots of fancy words for decompressing and cleaning out the shoulder joint. I guess it was a real mess in there... 😁
I'm about 6 weeks out now and feel decent, have some good range of motion but just starting to work it actively. It's a slow process and still in low levels of pain and soreness throughout the day, especially after PT. Hoping at 12 weeks give or take i can have enough ROM to start lightly playing pool again. At least able to teach for now so that's something.
@@ScottsPoolSchool I had a badly detached/torn labrum repaired many years ago. It was not a pleasant early recovery, but it is better than my "good arm" now.
Great video as always 👍🏻 The cue ball icon is always a great tool. I do wonder if also including the firmness of stroke could be added. Obviously watching the video gives an indication, but it’s curious to know what your thoughts were regarding speed on each shot.
I've thought about doing this, but I can never convince myself that the added effort is worthwhile since the speed of the shot is more clear by watching the video. Thanks for the suggestion, though.
Yet another terrific video with fun drills.
I *know* I need drills but they can get boring pretty quick. This is perhaps a better.
But... watching you run the racks, I see that you have the skills you need to execute the shot to perfection. And that only comes from drills. Sigh!
But it's good to add the RDS system along with drills to make it a bit more fun as well as self-assessment and progress check.
Well stated. I agree. FYI, if you need more convincing to do drills, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/drill/why-do-drills/
and:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/advice/improving/
Enjoy!
@@DrDaveBilliards Oh, no. I don't need convincing for drills. In my younger days I used to be an avid table tennis player. It was drills, not games, that really improved my abilities.
Discipline, as is well know, is the key to progress.
Thanks for all your good work, as usual.
@@skmalladi Good. Many people do. You're welcome, and thank you.
I used to do something like 12 any order and try to pocket the 8 last, usually took 13 to 27 shots
u have some cool vids, glad i found your channel..... ever do a video where u play a real game versus another good player?
I don't have any match videos available, but I have lots of videos of my playing and running out near the bottom of the page here:
billiards.colostate.edu/dr-dave/
I've watched several of your videos and think they are excellent. You've mentioned one weakness of amateurs is playing easy shots first instead of clearing problem balls that improve the likelihood of a runout; I often see the shots but struggle with the optimum sequence. Have you ever considered a video with several different ball locations as a practice drill to improve sequencing decisions and shape?
I've already done exactly this in the "Smart Run-Out Pool" video series here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/drill/ppc/
I also have lots of good 8-ball run-out examples, with discussion of strategy here:
ua-cam.com/video/eGAEfE71WPc/v-deo.html
And my Video Encyclopedia of Eight Ball (VEEB) covers 8-ball strategy in great detail:
drdavebilliards.com/videos/8-ball/
Enjoy!
Hey Dr. Dave. You being tall, it is impossible to get your shoulder behind your head. Thanks for saying people can enjoy pool being tall. We tall players know it is a struggle. You set a great example for us tall guy's. Thankyou.
You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
BTW, I can get my shoulder, but it ain't easy and the stroke results are not good. But as I point in the 2nd-to-last section here, it is not necessary or important:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/stance/advice/
Before ever hearing about this rds. Ive always practiced level 15 on coin op tables
Only difference is i usually do not take bih
And i usually flip a coin prior to break to see if i go for stripes or solids first
That's one of my favorite games to practice also.
This looks great! I imagine it will be really difficult toward the end on my 7 foot table if I get there. Too much traffic. I really want a 8 foot table. It will fit my space and let me move the ball a bit more. Waiting for the right deal to come along.
There will be a little more "traffic" on the 7 footer, but every open shot is easy. That's the plus.
I feel nostalgic when I watch videos like this. I live in Phoenix; and because of the shut down, I can’t go to play pool :(
FYI, here is some good advice for things you can do for your game while you don't have access to a table:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/advice/practicing-with-no-table/
Yeah, I have already seen that content. Actually, I liked it a lot. In fact, besides my skills, something I have to work on a lot is how nervous I get when I play in competitions.
@@rapanchoo FYI, there is some good advice on this in the video and other info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/mental/
Starting at RDS 2, it might be useful for a teacher to guide students to execute a soft/medium break, to reduce the distance between the balls. In addition, to encourage them to use ball in hand when necessary, not just to make things easier.
Good points. BTW, I try to use what I think is the best break speed for every level in this run-through of RDS 100:
ua-cam.com/video/GXrxRC_jpTE/v-deo.html
For young rank beginners, I break for them.
Even at the first level, you can get students to learn draw action by asking showing them how to make the object ball spin backwards as it's dropping into the pocket. Cool visual effect.
I wonder how this translates to APA rankings. For example, if you’re at level 11 that makes you a solid 5 in 8 ball and 7 in 9 ball
You can answer that with the rating comparison table here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/rating/abcd/
I plan to update this table with the new RDS system, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.
This seems like a great way to practice, I think of drills as way too repetitive. According to your system I think I’m around mid to upper beginner. Thanks for your hard work Dr Dave
I'm glad you like RDS. I do too.
@@DrDaveBilliards Dave, out of curiosity do you know what your Fargo rating is or would be?
@@joebermuda6452 I don't have one (I play only in VNEA events), but people tell me it would be in the mid-600 range.
@@DrDaveBilliards makes sense to me, 600s is considered to be entry level professional and I think 700s and above is world class professional
Thanks for the information. Simple , Easy and very Helpful.
Keep posting such videos🎥..
Warm rewards,
The UnknownManCub👍 😎
You're welcome. I'm glad you like. If you want to watch more, I already have over 400 videos on my channel for you to check out.
@@DrDaveBilliards cool👍
Thanks for this, can't wait to try it.
Would love to hear the story of you getting the table from Robert Byrne, if it on a video somewhere?
There isn't much of a story. I heard he wanted to get rid of his table since he wasn't using it any more, so I offered to purchase it. I have cool before an after photos at the end of the page here:
billiards.colostate.edu/dr-dave/interview/
@@DrDaveBilliards I do hope that he has another table. The thought of him not playing pool anymore would be a pretty sad story.
Your best video so far! Thank you Dr Dave! I am sure this will improve my skills once I try it. I've been playing for one year, 2 hours a week.I think I can pass level 10 (lower advanced) with some struggle. I am I good, for playing that much?
I'm glad you liked it. Thank you for the positive feedback. Good luck with your game.
If you've played ~100 hours of pool and can already beat the 6-ball ghost, you're an absolute phenom my friend!
I like this
I’m glad. I do too.
Is it just me or is the transition sound the same power on sound from the play station 1?
Also great video. Going to practice a lot of these drills!
Thanks. Have fun with RDS.
still doing this drill EVERY DAY!!
thanks Dr Dave!!
Is it bad to need the bridge to help?
I'm glad to hear it. You're welcome. There is nothing wrong with using a mechanical bridge. You should consider entering the RDS 100 Challenge:
ua-cam.com/video/c2skiKoQzEI/v-deo.html
Hi Dr Dave! The drill is great, I just spent 2.5h on it, coudn't stop playing :) It's my first time and got stuck at lvl 7, noticing I miss a lot, but rarely loose position. How do you callibrate this drill with pocket size? My club has 4 1/8 or 4 1/4 inch pockets and I know that's on the lower side. Would that somehow affect the rules of the challenges or the rating? What are the pockets on your table?
My pockets at 5”, but they rattle balls easily (due to the large facing angles and deep shelf), especially if hit with any pace. The Table Difficulty Factor (TDF) system can be used to adjust scoring for drills:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/table/tdf/
… or just realize that drills are tougher on a tougher table.
Nice video. I have a few questions....I play on a 6 foot British table. The balls are inch and the pockets are only 3 inch. Does this alter the skill level chart at all? Also, on the chart, does the yellow skill level indicate what level you are after you beat that challenge or is that the level you are on just to try that challenge?
The skill level chart assumes standard pool equipment. Sorry, but I don't know how different it might be on a 6' British table. Concerning the skill levels, they apply to your ending level after you attempt a large collection of racks using the progressive rules. For more info, see:
billiarduniversity.org/documents/BU_Exam-IV_Runout_Drill_System.pdf
You are very knowledgeable and seem to be hitting the ball very well. How come you do play in pro tournaments? Life is short, take some risks.
I am a professional instructor, not a professional player. I am honestly not good enough to compete on a pro level. Thanks for the vote of confidence, though.
I’ve been practicing RDS and have been having a lot of fun! One question I have is that you said at the beginning of this video that hitting stop shots is really important. Whenever I play I don’t really see situations where the ball is perfectly in line for me to even use a stop shot, am I missing something?
Often, it is good practice to leave a shot straight so a stop shot gives you perfect position for the next shot. Also, stun shots at an angle require the same CB action as a stop shot. For more info and help, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/stun/stop/
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/stun/shot/
Dr. D what size shaft is your Revo and what tip do you use?
12.4 with Triangle.
What's the best 10 ball runout drill? Is marking the balls' layout and starting over everytime I miss until I make a runout a good idea??? Some say it's not because specific layouts do not happen again ever in my lifetime. What are your thoughts, Dr. Dave???
The best way to practice and improve depends on the individual. Here is some good general advice:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/advice/improving/
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/practice/advice/
In rotation games like 10-ball, CB control and shot-making are important, so it is good to learn, practice, and master the stuff here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue-ball-control/
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/aiming/dam/#advice
Enjoy and good luck!
@@DrDaveBilliards , thank you!
You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
I have a question about going up and down a level. If I run 2 racks in a row I move up 1. If I fail 3 in a row I go down 1. All other win-loss combinations I stay the same. Is this the same logic as you describe? (which is 2 out of 3 moves up, 1 out of 3 stays, 0 out of 3 goes down). I don't see the point of keeping track of a 3rd game if it's not going to change my level for the next set. This feels more like a "rolling score" that is easier to keep track of as I practice rack after rack after rack after rack.
That's simpler, but it's a little different. You only need 2 out of 3 to advance. You don't need 2 in a row. For example, if you run a rack, fail, and then run another, you advance even though you didn't run 2 in a row.
I wish there was a great way to maximize practice on quarter tables. Many of us who live rural only have access to quarter tables.
You can get quality practice on any size table; although, there are differences in strategy. For more info, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/practice/advice/
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/advice/improving/
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/strategy/bar-box/
Enjoy!
Hey Dave! I’m a 15 year old player and I got a b- on the scale. Would that put me around 6 for APA 8 ball and 8 for 9 ball as the chart suggests?
FYI, I just updated the Player Rating Comparison chart here:
billiarduniversity.org/documents/BU_Rating_Comparisons.pdf
Check it out. It has been expanded and improved, and it now has the RDS level numbers. For more info on the other rating systems, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/rating/
At 9:23 you remark that if you don't runout a rack you need to run the next two levels to advance? So, if I fail to runout Level 8 then I have to do level 9 and 10 to advance? Not sure I understand that (that goes without saying). Or did you mean that you have to repeat level 8 twice to be able to confidently advance to Level 9?
"If you don't run out a rack, you need to run the next two [racks at the same level] to advance." For more info, see:
billiarduniversity.org/documents/BU_Exam-IV_Runout_Drill_System.pdf
@@DrDaveBilliards Thanks for clarifying, thought that was what you meant. Appreciate this very methodical training program/competence level system. Very useful indeed!
@@mercurynfo I'm glad you like RDS. I do too.
Hi Dr.Dave, in level 3 or 4, what if we miss to pott the object ball? restart from break?
FYI, all the detailed rules can be found here:
billiarduniversity.org/documents/BU_Exam-IV_Runout_Drill_System.pdf
A question and a comment and a big thanks for this drill system. , Are you playing call shot in your 8 ball run outs? Also It seems like a big jump from level 10 to Level 11 .... run out 6 balls in any order to running out 15 in any order. A run out of 9 balls would have seemed a more logical step?
Level 10 is running 6 ball in rotation (in order). This is a lot tougher than running 6 balls in any order. Running 9 balls in any order would be much easier than running 6 balls in order.
For the 8-ball racks, standard 8-ball rules apply, so slop does not count. You must call ball and pocket if it isn't obvious.
My phone cut out recording at about 20 mins in my first attempt. I noticed restarted the video but it’s not continuous. I’m glad though, my score was embarrassingly low. I will attempt again tomorrow. Best thing about it was I noticed many issues with my stroke and stance I’ve never noticed before! Can’t wait to post my results, and hopefully get feedback
I’m glad you plan to enter. If you need to record and post the video in segments, that’s fine. Just do you best to make it clear the segments go together by leaving your cue and balls on the table between the cuts.
@@DrDaveBilliards that's what I did, and explained in the video what happened. Makes a good excuse to try again and get a better score tho lol!
@@kerrmoney Consider doing the scored RDS 100 version and enter the RDS 100 Challenge:
ua-cam.com/video/c2skiKoQzEI/v-deo.html
@@DrDaveBilliards Hey double d, forgot to ask, can't remember which level, 10 I think, not sure, anyway... It's 9 balls 9 ball rules I made golden break? What's "supposed" to happen next for scored RDS?
I have two scored attempts filmed.... Just having trouble uploading them (this phone won't let me, guess I'll have to upload to laptop first?)..... Can't wait to post link!
Hmmm....that’s one and another way to practice pool shot like you’ve demonstrated. Anyway, thanks for the tips.
I respect that you decided to be silly
I’ll take respect any way I can get it. 😜
Is Level 6 (8 ball with 3 stripes/solids) supposed to have an extra BIH? The text description says yes, the video does not. Thanks.
Some changes were made after the video was filmed. The video description and RDS document are correct:
billiarduniversity.org/documents/BU_Exam-IV_Runout_Drill_System.pdf
Dave, what happened to the two-ball at [12:57]?
See the CORRECTION in the video description or pinned-post thread.