Dr. Dave 8-Ball RUN-OUTS and BREAK ADVICE
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2024
- Dr. Dave covers 8-ball break strategy and demonstrates 20 8-ball run-outs, explaining useful strategy that can help you be more effective. If you disagree with any of my shot or pattern choices, please share your ideas in the video comments. Be sure to include the MM:SS timestamps and explain what you would have done differently.
Table of Contents:
- Intro [0:00]
- Break Strategy [0:13]
- Run-Outs [2:49]
- Rack 1 [3:02]
- Rack 2 [5:21]
- Rack 3 [6:52]
- Rack 4 [7:59]
- Rack 5 [9:35]
- Rack 6 [10:48]
- Rack 7 [11:41]
- Rack 8 [12:37]
- Rack 9 [13:37]
- Rack 10 [14:28]
- Rack 11 [15:25]
- Rack 12 [16:15]
- Rack 13 [17:26]
- Rack 14 [18:43]
- Rack 15 [19:53]
- Rack 16 [20:58]
- Rack 17 [21:57]
- Rack 18 [23:00]
- Rack 19 [24:05]
- Rack 20 [25:20]
- Wrap-Up [26:30]
Supporting Resources:
- Video Encyclopedia of Eight Ball (VEEB): drdavebilliards.com/videos/8-...
- 8-ball break resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/b...
- how to get a tight rack: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/b...
- 30 degree rule natural angle peace sign: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/3...
- System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS): billiards.colostate.edu/faq/s...
- kick shot mirror system: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/b...
CORRECTION:
20:37 - the spin diagram should show top-left spin (not top-right) for inside follow.
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*Table of Contents:*
- Intro [0:00]
- Break Strategy [0:13]
- Run-Outs [2:49]
- Rack 1 [3:02]
- Rack 2 [5:21]
- Rack 3 [6:52]
- Rack 4 [7:59]
- Rack 5 [9:35]
- Rack 6 [10:48]
- Rack 7 [11:41]
- Rack 8 [12:37]
- Rack 9 [13:37]
- Rack 10 [14:28]
- Rack 11 [15:25]
- Rack 12 [16:15]
- Rack 13 [17:26]
- Rack 14 [18:43]
- Rack 15 [19:53]
- Rack 16 [20:58]
- Rack 17 [21:57]
- Rack 18 [23:00]
- Rack 19 [24:05]
- Rack 20 [25:20]
- Wrap-Up [26:30]
*Supporting Resources:*
- Video Encyclopedia of Eight Ball (VEEB): drdavebilliards.com/videos/8-ball/
- 8-ball break resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/8-ball/
- how to get a tight rack: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/racking/
- 30 degree rule natural angle peace sign: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/30-90-rules/30-degree-rule/
- System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS): billiards.colostate.edu/faq/sidespin/aim/saws/
- kick shot mirror system: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/mirror/
Supporting Resources:
- Video Encyclopedia of Eight Ball (VEEB): drdavebilliards.com/videos/8-ball/
- 8-ball break resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/8-ball/
- how to get a tight rack: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/racking/
- 30 degree rule natural angle peace sign: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/30-90-rules/30-degree-rule/
- System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS): billiards.colostate.edu/faq/sidespin/aim/saws/
- kick shot mirror system: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/mirror/
@@DrDaveBilliards does these break tips also work with other games (uk 8 ball,chinese 8 ball and 10 ball)
@@tristanplays7377 They definitely apply to UK and Chinese 8-ball and 10-ball. For more info and advice for 9-ball, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/9-ball/
@@DrDaveBilliards what spin would you recommend us to put on the cue ball to pocket the second row balls in the side pockets
@@tristanplays7377 No sidespin. Only a little top or a little bottom, depending on how the balls and table are reacting (as covered in the video).
I could watch this man simply run racks for hours. Quality content.
Thanks. I'm glad to hear it.
Same
I love the little cue ball graphic at the top right which shows where you're striking the ball for each shot, THANK YOU!
You're welcome. I aim to swerve (especially when the tip is to the left or right of the center in the little graphic). :)
Yeah same
Love this video. Hearing the logic for why you chose particular balls and then seeing the shooting strategy (spins, speeds, etc) that you use to get position is fantastic. Your consistent execution helps me a lot because when my cue ball goes wrong, I always question whether it was my shooting strategy or if it was my less consistent stroke that threw it off, so this helps reinforce the strategies that should work as I continue to try improve my execution.
I'm glad you found it helpful.
I'll be watching this over and over. You make it look so easy.
I hope it helps.
Hey Dr. Dave! Thanks again for all of the free lessons. My brother and I have benefited tremendously from your videos! I have one piece of constructive criticism, though. In this video you suggest pausing to analyze the table and compare, but, in several of the examples, you have lines drawn and explanations going before the balls even stop moving. The lesson is great, but it's hard to be truly objective with your influence. I'm probably just nit-picking. I do appreciate the videos, and get excited every Monday to see what's next!
Your point is well taken. If I really want people to think and analyze on their own, I should pause a little at key moments. Thanks for the feedback.
Ah... 3 Years ago I started my journey in pool. This was one of the first videos I ever watched on pool and I just kept thinking "Wow he can make anything from anywhere on the table!" I've strived to gain the same confidence and calm demeanor on the table as you and it's starting to pay off. First solo tournament I've entered in APA as a SL5 last weekend and I'm going to regionals in October now. You are so vivid and clear when explaining things in your videos, I've seen ALL of the pool videos you've posted and I can't get enough. I said this was one of the first, it's also one of my favorites to come back to and look at potential shots you didn't mention and go try them out on my table in the garage, you know, get creative with outs. Anyways, great videos man, love em, thank you for quality content and always AIMING TO SWERVE!
Thank you for the "success story" and kind comments. The things that help most with accurate and consistent aiming are covered here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/aiming/dam/#advice
It's DAM easy when you do everything right. :)
Have you really watched ALL of my videos? I already have 600+ posted. If you want to see more, go here:
www.youtube.com/@DrDaveBilliards/videos
And a good way to find info and videos (from me and others) on any topic of interest is to start here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/
Continued good luck with your game!
Let's just say I watch a LOT of UA-cam and when I subscribe to someone I go and check out EVERYTHING they have. I guarantee I've seen at least 550 of your videos, looking now down the list of your videos there's a red line on almost every video all the way down to "HSV B.30 - cut-induced and sin-induced throw and spin", everything past that I haven't seen (BUT I WILL NOW). I appreciate your help always! When a night of APA or BCA is over and I had a tough situation, I'm always like "There was that one video by Dr Dave... Let me find it.." and I go digging for a certain ticky explanation or caram angle explanation. I think one of the biggest thing that helps is just shooting ball to pocket and not worrying about shape TOO much, it'll come, but first you gotta make the ball your shooting at. As always, we aim to swerve! @@DrDaveBilliards
I am glad to hear that you have enjoyed and benefited from my stuff. Best regards!
This is the greatest pool tutorial video I have ever seen. Thank you for going into great detail without rambling. Very effecient.
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it. FYI, I have a lot more where this came from here:
ua-cam.com/users/DrDaveBilliardsvideos
Check out some of my other stuff.
Disagree?... No haters here Dave... we're all are learning from you... thank you my brother
My shot and pattern choices and recommendations aren't always best for all players. Regardless, I'm glad you like my stuff, and good luck with your game!
This is a lovely watch to accompany my dinner before heading out for a pool tournament. I always joke that I am a pool shooter, not a pool player, but after watching this, I think I will bring a different game to the tourney.
I hope you get lots of run-outs in the tourney. Good luck and play well!
Great Video Dr. Dave. Thanks! I always learn something new when I watch your videos.
Thank you, and you’re welcome. I’m glad to hear it.
Excellent video Doc! This is one of the best! Thanks so much!
Thanks! I'll plan to do more videos like this.
Fantastic Video! Time well spent.
Thanks! I’m glad you liked it.
outstanding and high-quality content, I don't think it can be better, really enjoy watching the Dr. ;)
Thanks. I'm glad you like my stuff.
What a great practice game Sir Dr. Dave! i really learned a lot! Wow!!! Keep it up Sir!
I'm glad you liked it. Thanks.
yesssss !!!!! this is the info I've been waiting for!!!
I’m glad to hear it.
Dr Dave, you are the patron saint of pool instruction. Thank you for your videos over the years. Your lessons have helped me so much.
Thank you. I'm glad to hear it.
I really appreciate these videoes!
I’m glad to hear it. FYI, I have a lot more videos and info dealing with the 8-ball break here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/8-ball/
And I have a lot more fun-out videos and advice here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue-ball-control/
Enjoy!
Thorough, well spoken GOOD advice. THANK YOU
Thank you, and you're welcome.
Very impressive. Thank you. I learned a lot.
Thank you. You're welcome. I'm glad to hear it.
Excellent video, the paths are easy to visualize. Now if only I could make all the shots. More drills in my future!
Most shot are easy if you have good cue ball control. Be sure to work on that also. If you want some help, see the videos and other info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue-ball-control/
Enjoy!
Nice video! Love watching them! Keep it up!
Thanks. I'm glad you like my stuff. I do plan to continue.
Thanks so much! Great video DD
You're welcome ... and thank you. I aim to swerve. :)
Great shooting and a lot of teachable moments.
Thank you. I agree about the large number teachable moments. 8-ball is a beautiful and interesting game.
Watching some old gold today. I want to say if you’ve retired, thanks for the endless compendium of pool tips you’ve given out.
I retired from my university professor "day job" several years ago, but I plan to keep posting YT clips. I've just been very busy trying to finish up a new "Video Encyclopedia of One Pocket" (VEOP) series. I will resume my regular posting when I am done (hopefully, in January). In the meantime, I already have about 500 videos posted here for your viewing pleasure:
www.youtube.com/@DrDaveBilliards/videos
Enjoy!
Many thanks Dave! Been studying your videos , my brother n me, and we’ve gotten good enough to where we can hold our own at the “roll ‘em up, roll ‘em in”, it’s just a real old pool hall here in our town that’s been around for ever but people know about and come from way off just to shoot in these tournimonts. Still got the old oak wood floors that creak when you walk, smells like tobacco and spilled beer, not too many ladies but money can made if a man can shot good stick. Thanks again buddy.
You're welcome. I'm glad you like my stuff.
Thank you for your swervice.
Haha. You're welcome. As always, I aim to swerve. :)
Dave, you're a beast. Love it.
Thanks.
What a perfect instructional video. I also should admire your personality and how humble you are👏
Keep it up dr. Dave
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it. FYI, I have a lot more where that came from here:
ua-cam.com/users/DrDaveBilliardsvideos
Enjoy!
Rack 14 at 19:45 You fowled on the one ball. I took over and ran out. Thanks for all of your great advice.
Sorry, but on my table, we play under "CB fouls only" rules. :)
Good eye, and you're welcome.
I am really happy to watch and learn from your videos. And I'm also a new owner of your VEEB set. I'm gonna improve my game skills when we can go play again
I’m glad to hear it. I hope you enjoy and benefit from VEEB.
Nothing else to say, but to thank you. I'm a big fan of this channel.
I'm glad to hear it. You're welcome.
One of the best
Keep doing what you are doing
Thanks for the feedback. I'm glad you liked it. I'll try to do more videos like this.
Thanks dr.
You are brilliant...
You're welcome, and thank you.
nice gameplay u r really Good u leave with a win always
Awesome shooting Dr Dave!
Thanks! Although, most of the racks were easy to run. The good rack (I have my table trained) and decent break help a lot!
You deserve more viewers and subscribers. These videos are very precise and instructional. Love it!
I'm glad you like my stuff.
@@DrDaveBilliards Yes, loved every video on how you'd illustrate and make the viewer understand. After I watch one of your videos, I get very excited to go to the table and play. Thanks man! Amazing
@@jnlaus03 Thanks again, and you're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
I really like the information on breaking. The information on runouts just confirms that you have to hit really difficult shots and / or get lucky.
… or play better shape to make the shots easier. :j
@DrDaveBilliards yes a lot of times in the video, you say I hit this one really well. So the pocketing isn't necessarily difficult, but the pocketing with good shape is. I always strive for the leave to make the next shot and angle easy. Great video!
That's amazing!
Thanks!
Well, I'm lying in bed on a Sunday morning while my wife is snoring...lol and I'm learning how to break better. After watching your break and seeing how the table is spread out, it makes the runout look so easy. Your breaks are fantastic!! Not sure if that break works on all tables but I'm definitely trying that one out today. You really don't put that much power into it and yet you got a ball in 98 % of the time. I've been trying to find a consistent break for 8 ball and I'm having difficulty. I'm trying to mimic SVB break but it's hit or miss with that one...I don't always get the pop on the break. But when I do, it works. But then I watch you and your break has no flash to it and it worked everytime. Like I said I will try this out today. The break is the most important part. Thanks for the video
It helps that I have my table "trained:"
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/racking/
Getting a tight rack is critical.
FYI, lots of 8-ball break advice can be found here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/8-ball/
And lots of useful general break technique advice can be found here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/advice/
Enjoy!
Quality Content!
Thanks!
Your videos are the best.
Thanks!
Thank you ,for another great video Dr.Dave! I hope you plan to make more like these. Maybe 9 ball or 10 ball run out's. As an amateur, these type of video's help out the most.
I've already added 9-ball and 10-ball versions to my "future videos" list; although, my "list" is very long at the moment.
@@DrDaveBilliards ill check out the 9 balls one in a mo
@@JinxTravel FYI, I have some good 9-ball and 8-ball run-out pattern discussion in the threes "Smart Run-Out Pool" videos here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/drill/ppc/
Check them out.
this should be called Dr. Dave's Beast Mode. thanks for sharing and teaching again! for what it's worth, i thought you should be on the pool's power 15 list for your contributions to the game
amateurstroke billiards I like that. Dr Dave Beast Mode. And thank you for the Power 15 “fill-in vote.”
@@DrDaveBilliards I totally agree - you should have been on the list.
@@jamesdavis8731 Thanks.
Thanks a lot DrDave for this video as most of us 🎱 pool players who want to improve our games should know this technic. Thanks DrDave & I know with your fundamentals I am going somewhere...
Thanks again DrDave 🙏
You’re welcome, and thank you. Good luck with your game!
Great video
Thanks!
I disagreed with all of our choices (not really) but then I run tables pretty infrequently, so that would kinda makes sense. :-)
Good vid, it NEVER hurts to see it again and again. Eventually it might just seep in. Keep 'em comin' sir!
FYI, the videos and info here might be helpful:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/strategy/8-ball/
Enjoy!
You are very good my friend thank you for this vedeo
You're welcome.
Yo doc - ive learned so much from u!!!
I’m glad to hear it.
Learning love it
I'm glad to hear it. Good luck with your game!
This video is so inspiring
I'm glad you think so. Thanks.
You really love that 8 ball into the side pocket for your run out finishes huh? Haha nice show of skill, expansion of knowledge, and tutoring on your behalf of things tho! That side pocket shot has ALWAYS been tricky for me but you smack it into the heart everytime lol!
It depends on where the 8 is and where the key ball before the 8 is, and how much CB motion is required to get position for the corner instead (and whether or not there are risks to doing so).
On the first rack, most of my lines had me taking the 11 first with low to leave for the 10... unpause and hear that we are leaving the 11 for the 8 and thought "... yea, that makes a lot of sense."
Hey, we're here to learn, right? :P
Awesome video!
Thanks!
Absolute freak this bloke. Awesome content
Thanks.
Surely you are competition level of 8 and 9 ball, brilliant videos and brilliant play.
I am a decent amateur, but I lots of room for improvement.
I love your videos!! I hope to be a pool legend like you!!
I'm glad to hear it. Thank you, and good luck with your journey!
What a player. Amazing.
Thanks. The big pockets help. :)
Thanks for the lessons.
I would suggest (if doing 20 racks) the first 10, do the easy run outs, the second 10, do the hard run outs.
You're welcome, and thanks for the suggestion.
At 23:12 you make the mistake of hitting the 12 with your cue ;). This is a great video as always and learning about the forward/backspin on the break is really useful knowledge. I often have days where I can't hit any ball off the break and learning about those 2 balls into the middle pockets will really help! Now I just need to put the practice in!
Good eye. Under "All Ball Fouls," that would be a foul, but I play under "CB Fouls Only" rules. :)
I must say this Video helped me tremendously. it just clicked. Do u have more Run out Advice Videos ?
I’m glad it helped. I have many more like this in this playlist:
ua-cam.com/play/PLH9d4KFY28XvSPUa4VAKp47822aPYFYgx.html
Enjoy!
you are so pro Dr Dave
Thanks.
Hi Dave, Love the content. It would have been nice to see you go at a few racks with more clusters and a couple of opening shots were probably too tough to take in a serious game, so would be nice to see you take the easier opening ball and tougher runout. Great video though, thanks
Agreed. It might have been more instructive to present tougher runouts. FYI, I have a lot more runout videos in the following playlist:
ua-cam.com/play/PLH9d4KFY28XvSPUa4VAKp47822aPYFYgx.html
Check them out.
Interesting stuff.. thanks 👍🇳🇿
Thank you, and you're welcome. 👍USA
dr. dave is baaaaaaack :) great video my best teacher :)
You make it sound like I was gone for a while. I'm glad you like my stuff.
@@DrDaveBilliards i like all your stuff dr. you make my game so much better :) last 6 month i saw all your videos and tomorrow i have my really first season match, i try to win for you ! You open so much doors, youre godlike, i cant thank you enough !
@@BeanstotheBones Thanks for the comments, and good luck with your first match. I hope you watching my stuff pays off with improved play. Good luck with your game!
I just realized that I'm not subscribed to DrDave channel! like WTH is wrong with me?!
BTW you are a legend! keep it up!
I hope you have resolved that situation. :)
You might need to do some catch-up "homework" by watching missed videos on my channel. I have over 400 now!
I'm glad you like my stuff. Good luck with your game!
That funky little beat at the end 😂
Electronic Funk.
i know pool can be a complicated game when you get to shape and banks and such but i never put thought into breaks that there can be sweet spots this is interesting to say the least im going to try this break spot here it seems ot work i break on the side going for power more but that smy inexperienc ei guess..more good tips here thanks ..theres a few shots im looking forwar to trying form Daves videos ehre hes pretty good. i can sit at a pool hall and watch guys like this play all day its amazing some of the shots they make or just take lessons you cna leanr so much
FYI, more 8-ball break options and advice can be found here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/8-ball/
Although, it sounds like your game could benefit more from the fundamentals stuff here:
billiards.colostate.edu/tutorial/
Enjoy!
Awesome... now for 9-ball please!
Good suggestion. I'll add it to my list. FYI, I already have a bunch in VENT:
drdavebilliards.com/videos/vent/
You really "aimed to swerve" on this one, except at 26:07 😋
Masterfully done DrDave!
Lil' Chris Thank you as always. I impressed that you watched the whole thing! I suspect most people won’t have the patience. I hope people like this video because, as I am sure you can relate to, this one took a lot of time and work.
@@DrDaveBilliards You are correct! I personally understand the time and effort it took record 20 racks of runouts. It's worth it so long as the viewers are able to grasp the concept being taught.
The editing, narration, and graphics actually took longer than the rack running.
@@DrDaveBilliards Editing ALWAYS does! 👍
Lil' Chris I actually enjoy the whole process, but the pool shooting is definitely the funnest part, and it forces me to get in some good practice.
Dr. Dave listed everything about what will happen in the game of 8-ball, which it includes misjudgment, misplay and missed ball.
Yeah, especially in the last rack, I too can take the last shot for granted. Thanks for reminding me that I should treat every shot equally.
Thanks for the effort of doing 20 racks! I’m starting to feel that doing 20 racks in a day can be so tiring. I can also notice that in the long run, shots can be a little inaccurate due to mental fatigue. Whew! I even can’t do a single runout, what more if I will do runouts in 20 consecutive racks?? Thanks for this video, it helped me how to read different table layouts like finding the best balls, solving the problem quickly, and avoiding bad decisions. Keep up the good work! ✌🏻
FYI, the 20 racks were not consecutive. I think my best run while filming was 5 straight break and runs.
Still, it’s amazing! My last runout was years ago, and I haven’t done it eversince. Hope I can do 5 consecutive racks runout one day! ✌🏻😆
@@JMGomez-mi2km Thanks again, and good luck with your game!
Best of luck also and be safe always, DrDaveBilliards!
very nice shot outs. i think in rack 4 most players dont start with the difficult combo. i decided to start with the 2(ml)-5(cr)-3(mr)-6(cr)-7(cr) 4(cl)-1(ml)-8(cr)
I think you are right. For some reason, the solids looked really tough to me when I was at the table. And for some other reason, I felt confident with the combo. But in hindsight, that combo is way too risky.
Well, Dr. Dave, thanks for the advice with the break. I'm playing in the One Pool qualifier and I'll remember what you told me - low means the two balls below the one go high, and top means they go lower. Wish me luck! All about the break in One Pool ...
Having an effective break is important in all tournament formats. I hope the info helps.
@@DrDaveBilliards are you playing in One Pool? It seems kind of fun.
@@IndianHeathen1982 I don’t plan to enter. Play well!
@@DrDaveBilliards I'll do my best. Thanks for you help and advice.
Great video, bet you're enjoying having a home pool table this year!
Watching you run out reminds me a lot of the differences between American pool and English pool/snooker tables. There were so many instances where I couldn't see a non-pro level run out before I remembered how accepting the corner pockets are of balls down the cushion.
Incidentally, you left a lot of eight balls to the middle that looked like they'd have been just as easy to get on into a corner pocket. Maybe the camera angle misled me into thinking they were harder into the middle than they were, but I like the psychological advantage of trying to leave the eight to a corner on an American table if it's just as easy.
I think you gave the ghost ball in hand on rack 18 (23:15). Not that it really affected the runout.
Same here mate. My English pool tables pockets are only 3 inches wide (the balls are 2 inch) which makes it difficult, but what really makes it almost impossible for some of these shots is the fact that the edges at the corners are cut/shaped totally different from American tables. You often see shots on American tables hit the rail about 2 or 3 inches away from the pocket and the cushion just guides them in. If I'm off by even half an inch, it's double-kiss time and the pocket just spits it out.......and that's playing a soft shot!
The side pockets on my table are very large and "forgiving." This is definitely not the case with all pool tables. And in other cue sports (e.g., snooker; and even worse, Russian Billiards), all pockets are much less forgiving, greatly limiting the types of shots that are possible.
@17:05 I'm taking the 4 to the left middle and screw (draw) back in front of the black. Can see why most would take your route though.
... nothing wrong with that, assuming you have good draw direction and distance control.
Hopefully one day you do these with 9 and 10 ball too. I'd like to see you break and run them and plan them too
FYI, I already have lots of 9-ball and 10-ball strategy and runout videos here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/strategy/9-ball/
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/drill/ppc/
Check them out.
@@DrDaveBilliards ah ok thanks Dr Dave
Man watching you shoot so hard makes me miss my slower cloth. I recently got Simonis 860HR, and the slightest hit will roll all the way down table!
My cloth is 860HR also, but not as new as yours probably is. The cushions on my table are also not very fast (especially compared to Diamond brand tables).
@@DrDaveBilliards ah yea that could be a big factor then too. I had an O'hausen furniture table I got use to playing on, and recently got a Gold Crown.
Oh and I was reading your TDF on AZB, my new table is a 1.09 (tight pockets). Last table was I believe around a 0.88.
Feel free to post your new table TDF info on AZB and I'll add it to the list.
Love your videos and have learned so much from you over the last few years! Thanks! I noticed you maintain a very level cue on the break. I think you covered this at one point but what about the pros that tend to "pop the cue ball" off the break like Shane? Is this just a higher speed break where the bounce is more exaggerated or just a more elevated bridge? Is it more of a 10 ball thing? And also what positive/negative effects come from "popping" the cue ball vs a level cue on the break? Sorry for million questions
Most of your questions are answered here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/ball-hop/
I wasn’t up really using a big power break in this video. The main purpose for the cue elevation is to give room for the cue to drop with elbow drop and shoulder motion. At contact with the CB, the cue is usually fairly level.
@@DrDaveBilliards Thanks Dr Dave! You're the best
As always, very instructive and insightful.
Quick question: I currently only have access to bar tables, most of which are 7-8ft and not very well maintained.
Any advice on avoiding clusters to make for easier run-outs?
Make sure the rack is is tight as possible:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/racking/
And hit the 1-ball as squarely as possible using only as much power as you can accurately control. If you want some help with getting more power on the break, see the videos and info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/advice/
Good luck!
Im starting to use the 3 times the angle to help with making the 9 ball early and also position.
The 90-degree and 30-degree rules are also very useful (and more reliable) for this when applicable. For more info, see the "CB Control ... Everything You Need to Know" video and other videos and info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/tutorial/cue-ball-control/
Great content. Only disagreed with one thing..."always take care of problems as early as possible" couldn't disagree more. I personally take care of problems when problems need taken care of. My problem is usually a result of a problem for my opponent also n I don't play to win, I play not to lose. Different perspective that's all
Fair enough. The other way to say it is “Always solve a problems at the right time” (which might be different for different people in different situations).
24:14 "...Just to show you I don't run out every rack, here are two failed attempts" So, 18/20. I suppose that'll have to be good enough lol
Hey Dr Dave, for breaking I found that if the second row balls come up too short I have to play either harder or with less angle. But I didn't think about how backspin would transfer onto these balls. That might explain some of my failed break shots.
In my experience, more angle makes one go higher and the other go lower. Using less angle definitely makes at least one go higher. In my experience, speed doesn't change the angles much if any, unless you also change the amount of spin (top or bottom) with the additional speed. Generally, you need more top with more speed to squat the CB ball. That would tend to make the balls go shorter.
Nice video, Dave. Tons of great shot selection advice. I can only imagine how long it took to edit.
Thanks. I’m glad you liked it. The editing and narration did take a very long time ... much longer than the filming.
Great video Dr. Dave but I'd be very curious to see this same video performed on a bar table. The small playing area leads to far more clusters and congestion than showed in this video, it's almost a different game.
I love bar box 8-ball. It is my favorite game. Shots are easy; but as you point out, CB control and problem solving can be more challenging, especially if the balls don’t rack and break well.
Dr.Dave I love this video but it would be cool if you make a post-match commentary of your own friendly or competition game so we can take real situation elements into account!
All of these run-outs were "real." If you want good examples of match commentary and analysis, see the videos in my Most Famous Pool Shots and Matches of All Time" playlist:
ua-cam.com/play/PLH9d4KFY28XscHllvlP_rVC1jQjDXZmYD.html
Isn't watching top players more fun and interesting than watching me?
And many more great matches to watch can be found here:
billiards.colostate.edu/videos/pool-matches/
Enjoy!
@@DrDaveBilliards but I want to see you in action sometime 😄
Hi Dave. Thanks for this video. I'm from the UK so 8 ball is our most popular pool game and it's good to see your strategies.
It's interesting seeing your shot choices, even on shot 1 in rack 1 (04:36). On a UK pub pool table this would be a high risk opening shot as cushion (rail) shots are harder due to the tighter pockets. With this table, I would be taking the 11 as the opener with a soft draw to leave the 10 a bit shorter with less angle but in the same pocket as you chose. This would leave the 15 as an insurance ball if position off the 10 isn't good. I'd be aiming to draw off the cushion as you did to leave the 9 in the corner followed by the 12 going past the 1 into the far corner with a stop shot to leave the 13 straight into the same corner as the 10. Slight follow through position from potting the 13 to leave a 3/4 cut on the 15 with soft draw to leave the 8 in the same corner as the 9.
Concerning the starting shot on the 10, I hit that poorly and it certainly would not have gone in on a table with tight pockets. Thank you for sharing your alternative. I can see why you might prefer that.
@@DrDaveBilliards My strategy is more conservative as I have less faith in my cueing than you do. Got to admit that an opening shot like yours has a big psychological impact.
@@samaitcheson7057 Understood.
I really enjoy your videos. You mentioned SAWS as a aiming tool. Where might I get information to learn about SAWS to improve my aiming? I just started playing again at 81 and have difficulty aiming even when I get the angle. I am sure I don’t always hit the cue ball in the center. Any information you can give me will be appreciated. Do you have a video on developing a sound stroke?
For help with aiming, see my recent aiming video:
ua-cam.com/video/avJ6_l-pHaY/v-deo.html
For SAWS info, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/sidespin/aim/saws/
For stroke help, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/stroke/technique/
Love your videos Dr. Dave. I am wondering about the 8-ball break, because some pro pool players like SVB and some others likes to break from the side (not the 2nd ball break though) rather than from the center. Is there any advantage by placing the cue ball to break from the side instead of the center because I tried it a few times and it's really difficult to get a good spead when breaking from the side.
They do that to attempt to pocket the 1 in the side. For more info and examples, see near the bottom of the page here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/8-ball/
26:07 ..... Welcome to MY freakin' world ! lol I had not played in 20 years and just decided to start up again. I used to be a fair player. Nothing great, but nothing to be ashamed of either. Biggest thing now is I'm constantly rattling pockets. I decided it isn't my fault, it has to be the pockets got smaller over the years, lol.
I wish I could blame that on small pockets, but I can't. The pockets on my table are huge from that angle.
“VEEB”!!! Thank you for a new word! Even though it is an acronym! 🤙🤙😂😂
My favorite of my product acronyms is still SAWS, but VEEB is my second favorite. The others are VEPS, VEPP, VENT, and HAPS:
drdavebilliards.com/
@@DrDaveBilliards Thank you for your time 🙏
I love your table Dr. Dave, and the story behind it, but which model of Olhausen is it exactly? Thanks!
Sorry, but I am embarrassed to say that I do not know the model name. 😳
For Rack 8 I saw pocketing the adjacent 14 immediately with slight draw to bring it back out to only then shoot the 9 leaving QB in the corner instead. With the 14 gone the whole right side is clear to play the 13 up to far corner with follow on the QB to leave near the top rail with shape on the 15. Should have a good play off the top and/or side rail to the center to play the 11 into the side, and you can close with the 12 and 8 the same way you did. Positioning seems a bit simpler than your runout especially not having to guide the ball through the solids to move from 13 to 12 with the potential to get hooked if you hit too slow (or you come back too much and hit the 1). Heck if the 11 can play to the corner around the 12 (hard to tell from this angle) then you could pretty much hit all stop shots except the follow up the right side on the 13.
Good suggestion. I like it better than what I did.
Some great run outs. Enjoyed watching these- gonna try method of dealing with the problem balls earlier in next few sessions. Couple things 19:45 rack 14 looked like a foul. 17:20 rack 12 on the 4 ball could you have played it to take the black in the bottom right of the screen. As this was the shot i was looking at however it could be harder to see the exact angle on video or could it be there is a reason not to do that?
The OB bump at 19:45 would be a foul if playing under "All Ball Fouls" rules. At 17:20, I think the 8 went in both corners, but I had too much angle on the 4, so I decided to play for the side or upper corner just to limit CB motion and the chance for bumping into something.
OK I picked up a couple cue sticks at garage sale and I found a bar where tables are free from 9:30 to 6:00so here I am trying to learn pool at age 69 and your stance is different from other videos show one foot back other forward does it really make that big of a difference I like your stance
You should use a stance that works for you. See the videos here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/stance/
Dave, your point about picking best option - high or low balls - is well received. However, APA rules only allow for choice if one of each drops on the break. Might be good to determine how many Subscribers play APA, and do a video from that standpoint.
Love your channel and often refer my students. Thanks
All my videos are based on the WPA "official rules of pool." I wish leagues systems like the APA didn't make up their own rules, and I wish all the league systems (CSI, BCAPL, VNEA, APA) could at least use the same rules. This causes confusion. If you or others are interested, I have a summary of pool league rule differences here:
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/rule-differences
@@DrDaveBilliards I sooo agree with you here Dr. D. I've been saying this for years. I wish they would just stick to one set of rules, unless it is exhibition play or creation of a different discipline altogether.
@@budomushin I guess great minds think alike.
@@DrDaveBilliards yezzir lol! I'm the president of the pool governing body in Barbados, CueSport Barbados... Would to have a chat sometime. I've always admired your work, from your first few videos on your Colorado State Uni website and it has only be gotten better over the years gone by.
@@budomushin Feel free to send me any questions via any of the contact methods here:
billiards.colostate.edu/contact/
Excellent content!
May I ask what cue stick you're using? I just started playing a few months ago. Or if you could recommend any cue sticks for I intermediate players that'd be awesome too.
Thanks. I use a Predator P3 with a 12.4 Revo shaft. I don't like to recommend specific brands, but here's lots of good general advice for selecting a cue:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue/selecting/
paused at 3:47
id approach the 13 i think i cant tell looking at vid left centre pocket
followed to the 14 then the 9 back to the 15 to the 10 12 with leaving 8 ball open for 3 pockets to choose from
Wow!
Great video! I watched them all in one sitting, rewinding a lot to go back and look at your methodology. I'll get lots of good from this video. You definitely prefer shooting stripes. lol I'm working on using the english with the highest chance of success. I've almost completely stopped using draw for now. I need to spend some time perfecting the pace.
So, you're okay with leaving the cue ball that close to the rail that often because the break you're using? You believe that break has the highest rate of success? And you adjust using top or bottom based on the table? And if you hit it harder wouldn't the cue come off of the rail leaving you in the middle of the table?
I appreciate your time and effort.
I'm glad you found the video helpful. I don't like leaving the CB so close to the rail, but backspin was required to pocket the 2nd-row balls on this table. More speed would be better, assuming I could maintain accuracy. FYI, a lot more 8-ball break advice can be found here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/8-ball/
@@DrDaveBilliards thank you for the clarity.
@@DAmicoDanceHouston You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
Love your videos especially this one. The only issue for me (ignoring table, pocket and ball sizes!), being in the UK is you have to play whatever type of ball you pot off the break, so it limits your options a bit!
That’s a silly rule. :)
Well many people also play that way in America. I think it is the wrong way to play, but they do it.
@@DrDaveBilliards I agree, but many American's also play that way. In fact, where I played most of my pool in America (Washington State) that is how 99% of all players, including leagues, played it. It was not until I came here to the Philippines that I realized there was another way to commonly play it.
And to this day - when I make a ball on the break it is usually my fellow American's that get a bit irritated when I decide to go for another ball option. LOL.
@@jamesdavis8731 I know I’m dreaming, but I wish everybody worldwide (and in all league systems), America included, would use the same official rules of pool:
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
It is ridiculous how many different rule sets there are.
@@jamesdavis8731 Most serious pool players in America play under standard rules, but casual players in bars (and the APA league system) play “take what you make.” For more info, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/rule-differences/