This restart is going to be tough
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2023
- After standing in the pasture for a couple years this horse needs to be restarted. It's not going as easy as most.
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I've bought and watched and followed a lot of trainers. YOU, sir, with your candid, real time videos are the most helpful that I've ever seen.
Princess obviously enjoyed being a pasture ornament and never missed a meal judging by the size of her. Once they get a break like that they object to being told what to do and when to do it.
Yes and no. She isn't partnering up. She has lost trust in humans. Also, she looks like she's walking on eggshells.
Not really. I can go over a year without riding without saddling and still get my boy saddled up and go for a ride. Sometimes he has issues with the mounting block which we're currently working on but he never is rude to me or bossy. He's an ottb 🤣
Not necessarily, my TB mare did nothing for a year and it was as though she had been worked the day before.
Probably had something scary happened in the pasture...
This guy doesn't know how to train a horse. You should always get to know it by walking, talking & loving on them so they will trust you. And you should never hit one. I wouldn't let this guy near my horses. Horses don't forget, espedially if they have been mistreated. He needs a few,lessons himself. I feel sorry for the horse.
She needs a lot of retraining. Must have got used to doing what she wants. I think this happens with alot of people and their horses. This will make a great video series. Looking forward to seeing more of her. Thanx, Tim. 👍
100% this! My horse is 8/10 as pasture sour as this just b/c I haven't had the time to spend with him. All of these bad behaviors and trying to get a quiet, still horse is what most of us amateur weekend riders struggle with. This whole video was full of useful information just due to the poor habits the horse has developed, which are not uncommon.
You’ve quickly become one of my go-to guys to learn from. I appreciate that you show the good and bad, when most trainer only post the perfectly mannered examples. Keep up the good work sir!
Yes - thank you!
While I don't wish anyone ( even a professional like you) to encounter a really difficult horse, I do thank you for sharing with us so we can learn how to deal with our own difficult horses correctly-- when we happen to get one. You can see how her eye has softened at the end of your session. I look forward to her progression.
You are a special person to have the patience with her like you do. No doubt you are the one who can turn her into a wonderful horse. I hope your wife is still improving.
Koda will work out with your skill.
Not thinking a horse you can just stable and pleasure ride without losing all your efforts.
She needs a job to engage.
Look forward to the updates. Be safe and hope your wife is improving every day.🌼
I'm a new horse owner, and 2 of my horses are green. No training, nothing. Watching your videos gives me Hope that I'll be okay. ❤
Watch Free Spirit Equestrian to receive the best advice and training of new horses. Shae is excellent, patient; and provides great training details.
Green + green = black and blue. Good luck!🍀🍀🍀
Invest in a good trainer; it's cheaper than a trip to the ER.
Class act buddy , showing a real live problem rather than… here’s one I prepared earlier !
Great job , thanks
I have to differ on one point, if she had been well broke sitting idle for months or years shouldn't make any difference. A horse that has to be worked regularly to be usable isn't really trained. also the stilted way she moves makes me wonder what other issue there might be
That depends. A 12 year old that had had 10 years of very regular use would probably be fine after a layoff if worked a bit before riding. But many people really don't ride much, so their horses don't have much experience and are still fairly green. That sometimes happens when people have multiple horses or some other life situation that kept them from riding much.
Love your patience and your way of going back to work to start over to accomplish the task love your video ❤😊lynn75
She's in good hands now
She is gorgeous!!
I really love the patience you show with this horse. You are on the right path for sure.
You are so patient! Great lessons to learn from you!
Your videos remind us regularly that horses are NOT just big dogs.
Really appreciate you showing us working with a truly difficult horse, and looking forward to your progress.
Love how patient you are with her, great technique
This is a really pretty horse. I don’t have the pleasure of having a horse anymore & I sure do miss having one. Wish I would have had this instruction and expertise when I had my horse! Way back in 1974/75
Not all horses are like that. Some of them retain their training and others go back to zero very quickly
That is exactly what my 23 yrs. old TW gelding does at the mounting block. Keeps moving his butt over when I try to get my foot in the stirrup. He KNOWS how to stand at the block! So I have to get down, make him lunge around me, change directions for a couple minutes, line him up again and sometimes he's good and other times I have to do this 3 times! I have had him almost 10 yrs. and he still does this! Once in a while, he'll stand perfect and when I mount up, I always make him stand for about 5 mins. before walking off. I don't lose my temper, but it sure is frustrating!!
Great job , you want to make the mounting block where they get to rest and relax so you'll get there if you keep doing it ! I love TWH ❤
Just bought boat bumpers cause of your training. I’ve started using it on my youngest to get him prepared to be under saddle. Very useful!
Is those to deaden the sides were your spurs go lol
@@flyingoneranch I guess if you have really short legs and ride like a scarecrow it’s possible lol but no, helps to get them used to things bumping all around their sides
I love love that your calm with her even when she spooked.
Mare with some sas... really like her quality. A thinker and trier.
Great the owners have asked for pro to restart. Or the problems will escalate.
And fact you have respect for work previously done.
Love the matter of fact way you go about. You work with where the horse at not a set "today must do this and achieve" THANK YOU
So patient well done
I have worked with one just like this had so much work thrown at him .
PSSM all over it .
Stay safe , hope she doesn’t hurt someone .
She is turning out nice
Don't know who's bloodline these mares come from and come to you for a warmup, but whatever ranch they come from have the most gorgeous and stunning quarter horses I've seen in many years. Mare's look like stallion's, just need good tune ups and solid attention. You're wonderful with these horses and your knowledge is a treasure.❤
Beautiful horse!
Love your videos Tim. I hope your wife is improving. I set a prayer for her. The rider has to insist that the horse do what is expected in order to establish leadership & for the horse to feel safe. Whatever it takes to establish leadership.
Thanks for a real world video. Getting on the mare that day would have been the next verse in Dumb Ways to Die! Remained disrespectful, clamped her tail the whole time on the line, knew exactly what she was doing at the mounting block. She was not afraid of anything. Definitely not an amateur horse. Glad she is in your hands.
I appreciate that you cinch up the girth in stages which I am sure the animal appreciates, as well.
Wow she is a tough one ! She is not afraid of some confrontation (holding her ground despite the whip).
I love the boat bumpers stimulating legs very cool idea
I know you say beauty can be a detriment but whooo is she sweet! She's worth all the time in the world to get her right. NICE JOB!
She never going to be as good as one that started out wanting to please. I'd rather a plain sorrel that likes his job.
She is gorgeous, but it was obvious in the video that he doesn't really like her and doesn't appreciate her. The poor horse seems to be in pain in the back there.
@@timandersonhorsetraining To paraphrase Surtees and Jorrocks ....Handsome is as Handsome does. If they don't perform, it does not matter how pretty they are.
Good and sympathetic training.
Fighting with a horse over a spoiled or misunderstood action does more damage. You cannot win. They remember.....Very nice mare that has acquired some bad habits! She just plants her feet......at the mounting block she decided she does not want to be ridden! She is definitely putting herself in charge! She is gonna be nice after she learns that is not acceptable! Horses learn bad behavior soooo quickly.....and a lot of work to get them to think differently! She is a challenge!
Well, What is called into question is brokenness. I understand the guy who trained her is knowledgeable. Maybe he rushed her thru.
I sure wish I could afford to pay someone to come work with my horses to get them back into riding shape! I’ve got one mare in particular that made me nervous charging at me with her crazy blue eye and I can’t quite shake that anxiety😢
No way to force a horse to do anything. Working her down until she decides that it's best to stand quietly, it's best to just go past scary objects, etc..appears indicated here. She's clearly been treating her current owner like a substitute teacher-no respect, just standing there ignoring him. Owners are likely not experienced enough, they inadvertently let her get away with things, she scared them by behaving in ways that felt unsafe to them, and they turned her out. She has many sweaty miles ahead of her before this is straightened out. Hats off to you, sir, for agreeing to tackle this big, bossy, spoiled mare. She'll need a new owner who won't undo all that you'll have to do to get her straight. She's dangerous at this point.
Damn good lookin horse! She’s in good hands with Tim tho.
Good video. Thank you for showing viewers how you handle a problem like this, starting from really bad to so much improved, just within minutes.
Thabk you for explaining that changing gaits and disengaging the hindquarters can set the horse up for failure if it hasnt developed the muscle or skill. I had tried to explain that so many time but it was never as clear as yours
The background in that barn is beautiful. Looks like a curtain.
I love how the other horses stand outside the arena to watch! The observers.
Thank you for all your videos ! They have helped me learn tot be a better horsewoman ! I appreciate your patience with the horses because few people realize how important that is in doing it right.
That is a clever idea with the boat bumpers.
Can't wait to see her progress. I hope she didn't injure herself out in pasture. She's way too unfocused for me. Odd for such a well broke horse.
Enjoyed watching this so much brings back memories from my youth thank you.
Excellent approach and skills. Thank you ❤
What an amazing arena… lovely mare
Cool mare! You'll get her right in no time!
I wonder if she went back to her first trainer she would say - oh yea I remember because she remembered the trainer. Fabulous to watch you even though I don’t ride or own horses
Wow! Great work Watching with great interest! Looks like she needed a kind but firm attitude adjustment.
Thank you for a really interesting workout with Kota. I'm going to keep watching what happens...
Bet she’s been pinched by a saddle before. She’s hard to fit with those withers and short back. Even if yours isn’t, she will do that. I use a mounting block too and they CAN do that to avoid pain if they associate you with the saddle pinching. Or they can do it cause they don’t wanna work. Lol. We will see when you eventually get her broke to the block.
Her back is pretty typical
@@timandersonhorsetraining maybe it’s just the video angle!
Sore in hind?
Bit of a hard headed spoilt mare... well done.
I truly appreciate this video, very interesting. I watched it 3 times.
She’s a gorgeous horse🤩
Love your patience
Fascinating training and much patience.
I’m an owner who created a horse just like this. Looking back it was the little things that I either didn’t notice or let slide. Eventually I had horse that would kick out, buck, and spin the second I sat in the saddle. Her whole body tensed up such that I felt as though it was sitting on a ticking time bomb. On the lunge, like this mare, she was obstinate when asked to change reins. Defiant is the word that comes to mind. When I’d insist, she’d turn around and barrel kick. It was awful.
Deep down, as terrifying as it was, I knew that since I was the one who messed it up, I had to be the one to fix it. I started with ground work (without the bumpers (love this idea)) similar to this, among other exercises I had in my tool box but never had any real (life threatening!) reason to use. I eventually moved on to getting on her back with a helper from the ground. The first few times felt slightly better than it had been in the past. Her biggest threats came from her not wanting me to touch her with my legs. Keeping the leg on regardless of her behavior (really scary at times ) and releasing when she walked forward was key. I had a helper on the ground with a lung whip to assist when she really planted her feet. Fortunately all of this is behind me now.
What I see in this mare in the video is a really sweet horse. I’m looking forward to watching how she comes along. I have a feeling there’s going to be a happy ending!
This was good for me to see Thanks ☺️
I can't believe you didn't do more groundwork and desensitization before attempting to mount the horse. Clearly an accident waiting to happen! Set her up to do the right thing and reward her for doing it rather than letting her do the wrong thing and punishing her. Good luck; stay safe!
I enjoy your videos Tim.
She's training him. If she moves away from the block, he gets down off the block.
Jan. 24, 2024
This is the first time I've seen one of your videos. I'm very concerned about your health and your being out of breath. I am hoping you are getting medical care from a pulmonologist.
I admire your patience with the horse.
Issues and rebellious.
She’s exactly like the mare I sold as a recip a few months ago. However, I spent a year riding her, running barrels, everything great then one random day, she came undone and went right back to this. I can’t afford to get hurt and the second time she buried her nose in the dirt on me, I decided it’s best for her to carry high dollar babies and just live her life then try to kill me again. You would think her and this mare were the same horse.
Have u had a horse chiro out to check her spine out. That was my horses issue.
Yes. Chiro, vet, farrier. Everything was checked.
Ooh, she's my kinda QH!!
We often attribute lack of training for problems, when the horse is actually telling us something hurts. This horse reacts as if she felt pain when full weight torqued the saddle during mounting. Her withers may be out of alignment, or the saddle doesn’t fit her correctly.
I am always terrified to get on a horse I don't know so kudos to you.
That is a nice qh. Great job, most trainers use other methods, that's excellent training.,better than most.
She is a beauty and spoiled
Is it because she is beefy and not moved much in pasture she looks stiff in her back legs?
Something is going on with the right back leg.
Some reason she wasn't ridden for 2 years...maybe she scared someone with her reactions? Not safe to ride.
The owner had an injury and surgery not horse related.
I think she can sense that you really don’t want to be bucked off or hurt! Don’t blame you at all! Get hurt you will be down for some time! Maybe a younger kid that knows how to ride well that doesn’t mind getting buck off!❤❤❤❤
Some say that to start a horse; the lunging should be first performed without the saddle. Once the horse is paying attention to the trainer; it is then to add the blanket; lunge, then add the saddle.
Therefore I have a question. Why did you make the decision to place the saddle on the horse first, then perform the lunges? Does either method make any difference (one better than the other or training time, etc.) in the horse’s performance that a person is attempting to a a achieve?
This horse is past that stage.
@@timandersonhorsetraining got it! Thank you.👍🏻🙂
Lots of resistance and lots of deliberate inattention on her part!
Just wondering.. has anyone checked to see if she is sound and doesn’t have any health issues? She seems to be short stepping in the back like her stifles could be bothering her ? Her back ?
I read the comments why cant people . Horse people leave this man alone and not criticize ,just dont watch. Look at yourself.
I think there is some discord in the horse community...which is understandable. We are at a pivotal point of human awareness and people are understanding that the way we treat horses are absolutely disgusting and our methods are vile. We strive to break horses and we want to own their souls and expect their loyalty....yet, we don't know the foundation of trust and ethics.
Is it just me? She looks a little stiff in her back end/hips when she's moving.
She reacts like a horse that hasn't been started.
Do you think they missed out some steps in her 1st start?
Havent read all the comments, whats going on with her hind end?
Nothing.
You are rough with the horse who is scared or feels threatened. Try 4 BP method. It is gentle, fast, the horse is not broken but dignified and yet understands what is being asked if it. They do it without all the pulling and tugging on bits and ropes. lol for yourself!!!
It may seem like just semantics but I don't like a trainer to describe a trained horse as "broke." That terms dates back to the days when cowboys used force to subdue a horse and often wound up either breaking the horse's spirit or else antagonizing the horse to the point where fighting back was a more common response than cooperating. I don't think this trainer employs that sort of approach but I'd still feel better if instead of calling a trained horse as being "broke" he described the horse as being in need of some "fixing."
She's distracted by the other horses and wants to be outside the arena with them. Honestly after 2 years in pasture she's not too bad
Makes me wonder if she was vet checked. I’ve never known a horse that has already been well broken to buck like that unless they were in pain.
having now seen the whole video, this horse is 'spoiled', very experienced at avoiding a rider. I would take her back to groundwork 101, she has a lot of holes and corrupted attitude.
but I would also get her a good exam,,, she doesn't move right, she shows off fore and behind
Strange reaction, is that fight or freeze the standing still?
Dangerous, those horse with long pasture breaks.
She's a good looking gal.
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What size boat bumper did you use?
I don’t think she is comfortable with you yet needs more time to trust you!
She looks a bit chonky, is she a halter horse? She has a lot of width in her chest, unlike Hank or Bob. She is built alot like the quarter horses i was around 4-5 decades ago.
Pause the video at 29:06 and tell me that the white down her face doesn't look like a white saber tooth tiger or just a white female lion or cat even , the whole body an tail wrapped around the nose so cool !
I definitely see that ! Yes! 😊
Tim, is this mare muscle bound? She doesn’t look like she’s over weight but she is looking like a horse that has been physically prepared for the halter class. I know some of the halter bred horses can be naturally over muscled so is that the case? If she is being prepared for halter classes then how are they putting the muscle on if she can’t be ridden or lunged?
She's big but she is not muscled but it's not fat on top of fat either. She is just a big classic type bulldog quarter horse. They used to all look like this.
Hancock bloodline in this mare? She is beautiful!
I agree. Not a free mover. Unnaturally stiff.
Purdy thing though
If that's a Skipper W mare, you need to treat them differently. I know, worked with a lot of them including rescuing the abused mare I'm sitting on. Turned her into a 4 time state champion
She sure looks like one.
Anyone else think she takes small hind quarter steps?
She is pretty though 😊